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2009 Southern Australia heat wave - This is considered the worst heat wave in Southern Australia since records began. Australian sources state that no one has died of heat-related causes, but overseas sources say anywhere from 2 to 31 people have died, but the local authorities state that none of these have been confirmed. I'm inclined to value the quality of the source in the country of origin from the Ambulance and medical authorities themselves. Needless to say this story qualifies for ITN inclusion.
Nick carson (
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05:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)reply
But, as I can find no online ref for that increase yet, I say leave it at the original "over 50" and I'll notify if I can find a change. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)04:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Sky and Radio New Zealand sources now saying 111 deaths. Please change if you're reading this and able to do so. I shall assist by leaving a screaming edit summary in the hope that it attracts attention. Thank you. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)09:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)reply
The regional Court in
Kurgan Oblast,
Russia convicts the three prisoners, all born in 1990, of aggravated murder for strangling their cellmate, who had asked them to end his life in this fashion.
(Interfax)
Slightly older items can be posted lower on ITN's bullet list, and it will be removed sooner as the conveyer belt proceeds down. Pope Benedict, the oldest current item, was nommed and posted on the 24th though, so it's borderline. I didn't see a rule in
WP:ITNMP and any admin can post an item without discussion first, but s/he must have very good reasons if it's likely to be questionable for any reason, as any admin can remove it too.
TransUtopian (
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19:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hm, if the sources are not consistent what happened, I'd prefer waiting. Though it's a bit, we have newer items featured already. --Tone20:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
When a new item about some old news gets onto ITN, it gets itself bumped off because it's the oldest news, then you know it's too late. So we don't need a written rule at WP:ITNMP on this, eh? On this note, I wonder if we need sth about the war in Somalia soon (
Islamist forces captured Baidoa on Jan.26th, forcing the
Transitional Federal Government to flee to
Djibouti....), before this is too late for ITN. --
PFHLai (
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21:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Nakamutt fire
At least 14 people are killed and 47 reported missing following a massive fire at a supermarket in downtown
Nairobi,
Kenya.
One I've updated for later. As its only just been reported I think I've got all the information that's available but I'll leave that up to whoever views it. The police appear to be investigating reports that people were purposefully prevented from escaping which probably increases its notability. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)14:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
That sounds like just one to watch for now as, until it at least does erupt, I would think there are more ITN-worthy items between yesterday and today. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)17:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Actually, if this is put on the main page, I feel I should be given credit. I largely expanded the article over the course of the past several weeks, and have generally kept it in shape since it passed
its GA review. Plus, the recent sources added to the article were improperly formatted and disrupted the article's proper structure.
Ceran→//forge20:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think you'd get credit anyway. ITN credits, just like DYKs, go to nominators and main contributors. Anyway, I didn't mean to step on your toes, I just thought that it was an important news item that was suitable for ITN. As for not formatting the refs, I did intend to format them but got distracted by RL. Apologies.
Matthewedwards (
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21:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support. I'm OK with the Iceland thing, but if we can have a change of government in a country of 300,000, we should have the highly remarkable removal from office of a governor of a state of 12 million. --
Mwalcoff (
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23:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Any reason that a questionable Blagojevich item went up without even a mention here, not to mention consensus? SpencerT♦C 00:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Wow, I missed the above. I am hiding (not removing) the Blagojevich item because the only updated part of the article I see is the intro, but there also needs to be a body paragraph about this, with refs. SpencerT♦C00:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't know where to look for it, but I recall that when he was first arrested, then impeached, the consensus was "Wait until the final Senate vote." Well, here it is. -- The original poster,
Fishal (
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00:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think the impeachment of the first US state governor in 20 years is sufficiently notable for ITN. It is a lead article on CNN, BBC, IHT and Reuters. I agree with Spencer that there should be a reference body paragraph in addition to the intro. (Otherwise the article is lopsided, updating the intro but having no significant mention of the current outcome in the body.)
TransUtopian (
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01:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support. Very far from a routine occurence. An involuntary change in leadership of the fifth largest US state is certainly significant. Coverage in international press is prominent and demonstrates the broad interest.
Dragons flight (
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01:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Removal of a "provincial" head is significant??
Okay, we have stuff in the lead, but we still need info in the article- a paragraph of prose with refs. Once this has been accomplished, I will unhide. Currently, I just see a one-sentence mention. SpencerT♦C01:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
We already have three paragraphs in the body devoted to the impeachment trial over the last three days. I suppose one could add information about the reaction, aftermath, etc., but personally, I'd say the coverage of the trial proceedings is sufficient to meet ITN criteria.
Dragons flight (
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02:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
(<--)I have unhidden now, per above comments and generally better-expanded article about the event. If someone wants to upload the photo... SpencerT♦C11:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Can we say he is a
Democrat? We can amend "bar him from holding future office in the state" into "disqualify him from political office" so adding his political party would only had 5 letters. –HowardtheDuck11:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Why? We didn't mention Obama was a Democrat either time. What makes his party more significant? I can't be bothered looking back that far but I'm doubtful we mentioned Bush was a Republican.
Nil Einne (
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12:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think we've put party affiliation for crises in other countries (Thai political crisis). Check:
Wikipedia:ITN_in_2008#November, and we did put Obama's political affiliation on his election, but not inauguration. I'm not sure though, that his party is exactly significant. SpencerT♦C19:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)reply
When didn't put Obama's party initially (see
[2]), it was added later which was why I got confused. I don't think there's much point comparing to parliamentry democracies, in that case the party is significant since the PM's position is usually dependent on what party he or she belongs to and in many ways is often a representative of that party rather then simply an individual, as they are not directly elected.
Nil Einne (
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12:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Why? There's no suggestion I'm aware of that the Illinois Senate acted in any way inapproriately or that they were in collusion with him so I don't really get the connection. The fact that the Illinois Senate is the same party as this guy may suggest it not some sort of partisan hackjob but this is arguably far better shown by the fact that it was a unanimous vote.
Nil Einne (
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07:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)reply
The article is updated just partially. When this is fixed, a certain ITN, combining with the previous blurb. By the way, shall we mention her being gay or not? I am indifferent on this one. --Tone17:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Should be fully updated now, I think. I would like her sexuality mentioned for its historic value, but that's one editor's opinion.
Radagast (
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18:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think this is trivial info that would steal away the focus about the real event. I know WP is not censored. It is up to the admins to decide. --
GPPande19:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Looks like we have to put the brakes on this for now; she has not yet been put in, my original source was misleading. (Article has been corrected.) Sorry for the confusion.
Radagast (
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20:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, she won't become PM before 31 January now, and even that date is not 100% certain. I would support an ITN entry when the event actually happens: she is Iceland's first female PM, regardless of her sexuality.
Physchim62(talk)00:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
New Iceland PM (once she's installed) is definitely ITN. I think it's worth noting in the headline that she's the world's first openly gay head of government if the reaction to that is expanded. It's no big deal (which I love) in Iceland politics, but it's significant to the rest of the world.
TransUtopian (
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01:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Don't list it unless you plan to create headlines for every new head of state. Don't mention she's a woman unless you plan to note the sex, male or female, of every new president or prime minister. Don't point out she's lesbian unless you intend to draw attention to the sexuality, gay, straight or otherwise, of every new national leader. Create a consistent editorial policy and stick to it; to do otherwise makes a 'freak show' of the accomplishments of minorities. --
Blake the bookbinder (
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17:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Actually, we do list every new head of state, apart from those of a few very small Pacific Island nations (and we might list those if someone pointed them out in time, and we had decent articles on the new leaders). We will mention her gender because she's the first female PM for the country. We would mention the gender of the first male PM for a country too, I think. The same argument would appear reasonable for her sexual orientation. Please find an example where the first openly-straight PM was elected for a country with a long line of gay PM's, and we'll discuss why we failed to mention their orientation.-
gadfium18:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
We should definitely mention her sexual orientation given that she's the first in the world. It's IMHO far more significant then being female, yes it's the first in Iceland but there have been a number of female head's of government already. In any case, we already have a precedent with Obama, that NY governor and likely a few cases I can't remember (did we have Manmohan Singh?) so changing now surely requires wider discussion. Incidentally women aren't a
minority group in numerical terms. P.S. If it's not the case that most sources mention her being the first gay/lesbian head of government I will reconsider but I doubt that will be the case.
Nil Einne (
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12:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)reply
This is a bit different; the above item has already been featured by
Keegan, but it was not discussed before addition. As we've had controversy in the past about featuring Blagojevich items, I was wondering what the community says. I'm not going to remove it without hearing from you guys first. Thanks a ton,
Master of PuppetsCall me MoP! :D 00:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC) crossing out because it's being discussed at the top of this day
Master of PuppetsCall me MoP! :D00:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Strong support and cheers to the users for taking up with this article. I would spare sometime later today to work on this. --
GPPande11:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think this one has sufficient support. I can post it as soon as there is no more merging issue (there are two similar articles at the moment). And I'd like a good wording as well. --Tone18:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)reply
A man
hijacks a bus in
Bulgaria and holds the 37 passengers hostage for two hours before surrendering.
(Reuters)
A special leaders meeting of the
Pacific Islands Forum, held in
Papua New Guinea, sets a deadline of 1 May for
Fiji to set a date for elections before the end of the year. Fiji rejects the deadline.
(Xinhua)
is there any article on the octuplets out there. I think it will be very interesting addition to ITN since its first time babies survived and there were only supposed to be 7.
Ashishg55 (
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23:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
We do have
2009 octuplets. However the
Chukwu octuplets appear to have all survived birth. One died a week later but as it hasn't been a week for this recent set yet, it's seemingly not clear yet that there's anything unique about this compared to the previous case.
Nil Einne (
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02:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
i still think we should post this seeing as how "insanely" rare this is and first time in almost 11 years. wikipedia ITN wasnt even around back then.
Ashishg55 (
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07:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This isn't a record even in the United States. There have been larger multiple births, and other cases of octuplets. Medical records don't appear to be complete so we cannot say in some cases how many survived birth.-
gadfium20:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
They come along and get internationally reported once in a blue moon by my reckoning. Keep it simple if it's controversial or indefinite. Just say they are born. Interested parties can click to read more. "A set of human
octuplets are born in the
United States." --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)20:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
it sounds fine, i think itn just needed to mention they were born. they can click and find out the conditions in which the babies were born.
Ashishg55 (
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22:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't have strong feelings either way on this story, but I would point out it appears one of the reasons why this is rare is apparently by choice since according to
[7],
selective reduction is routinely offered to those carrying such a large number of fetuses. In other words, it's not just that ending up with that many is very rare or that they will often die naturally but that people may choose to terminate one or more fetuses if they have that many because of the risks involved to the mother and other fetuses.
Nil Einne (
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09:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Iceland, quite certainly (we could have have this before when the early election was announced). Any good wording? --Tone15:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Was it most of any production ever or just at these awards? Anyway, I think Golden Globes and Oscars are enough, regarding the awards. --Tone18:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The "guild awards" are too minor to be included. The reason why the SAGs get so much publicity is because the guild awarding the awards is composed of actors themselves. –HowardtheDuck05:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
But if "The reason why the SAGs get so much publicity is because the guild awarding the awards is composed of actors themselves." is an issue, "The reason why the Oscars get so much publicity is because the combined guilds awarding the awards are composed of guilds' members themselves." is also an issue. I'm puzzled. --
74.13.129.119 (
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14:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
He was not holding the office at the time of his death so the question is about his historical role (we had Suharto on ITN when he died). But the article is far too short to say. So I'd say not for now. --Tone18:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, we had the first PM of the Maldives on ITN who was a major reformer. If this goes up, the whole article, not just a paragraph on Dia's death, needs to be expanded, at least a little. And also, in the wording you may want to say more about what Dia did. SpencerT♦C19:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
That's what I am saying. In fact, I think it is reasonable to use this as an unofficial guideline, if someone's death is to be featured, the article needs to be in a good shape (B class or more?) --Tone19:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
This is a turning point in Sri Lanka's history. 25 year old civil war is nearing a bloody end which has repercussions in India too. Never has Sri Lanka gained so much in past. It is almost a united country after decades. The article is a start class. Go! --
GPPande21:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support. The article is being worked on at the moment so maybe let's wait a couple of hours before posting. And don't use the acronym in the blurb. --Tone21:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I am not against the news to be posted on ITN, but the article really should have more information added to it before it should go up on ITN. There is only 1 sentence at the bottom of the article with 1 ref. The purpose of ITN is to invite everyone in updating old articles elaborately. If it is a new articles it should carry at least enough text to give the reader an idea of what the event is about. I think we should wait for the article to expand a little more. Sadly, I do not understand much of the subject area so cannot do it. --
GPPande15:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Is there any way to make the blur make more sense to a layman? I couldn't understand what it meant until I looked up every linked word, and still I don't fully understand it.
Matty (
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01:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I wonder why the nomination of 1 billion unique users on internet is being ignored? It is a historical milestone in growth of internet. Doesn't anyone think so? I think this is very encyclopedic. --
GPPande12:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Nominate "A European windstorm strikes Spain and France, killing 12 people". We post all atlantic hurricanes so i think this deserves to go up on ITN. this news is being covered internationally and effects multiple countries.
Ashishg55 (
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21:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but I've changed my headline a bit, as there were more deaths than I originaly put and it's not really a European windstorm. I still think it's better than the original one. Hopefully it will be on the Main Page soon. JollyΩJanner02:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
This incident is also of international significance as people from at least three countries were on the mountain at the time and the dead are from two separate countries. I've created and updated it appropriately to include some detail of the incident and two images too. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)01:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I've inserted an image of the mountain as well in case people are bored with the sudden onslaught of Popes and Presidents featuring as the ITN image... --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)02:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I am a bit sceptic about this one, especially in comparisson with the storm. Does having people from 3 different countries really make this international? This shouldn't be on ITN, in my opinion. --Tone21:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
We don't have an article about the Japanese satellite, do we? Since it is the world's first greenhouse-gas monitoring satellite (according to the
AP), it will make a nice new addition to ITN if someone can write an article about it. --
BorgQueen (
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08:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
How about Norway? Would it feature on ITN? I imagine two consecutive shootings might be a bit much but I'll do Norway as well if it's needed. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)15:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Norway actually appears to be a domestic dispute gone bad...the girlfriend, a student-teacher, was shot in the school parking lot. Not really notable, IMO. SpencerT♦C15:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Just make sure that there are the same numbers in the ITN as in the article (at the moment, ITN says 4 dead and article 3). --Tone16:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The foreign language sources appear to be contradicting each other. A person fluent in all of Flemish, French and German might be useful. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)16:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
A question about international significance has been raised on the talkpage about this one. I suggest removing it, we have two more appropriate ITN items today, Nkuda and the satellite that I am going to post now. --Tone20:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Nomination: The number of unique
usersaccessinginternet in a single month reach 1 billion.
This is the first time in internet history that 1 billion unique users have used it in a single month. Source of the news, comScore, is reliable. Feel free to alter the blurb. Article has been updated. --
GPPande15:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Iceland protests maybe? There's a decent percentage of the population protesting. Though use of tear gas should not go to ITN. --Tone15:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Yeah they are significant protests, 1-2% of the total population (that would be like 3-6 million people in the USA). Use of tear gas for the first time is highlighted by all news sources as a significant escalation, but I am ok with rewording. I think this is straight up ITN item, as the protests have escalated progressively, have gone on for three days, and are not expected to end anytime soon.--
Cerejota (
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15:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment: This has been ongoing for some time and has resulted from some dodgy loans and at least four resignations, all of which are covered in the article. The President signing what has been described as "emergency" legislation just this afternoon makes it all the more symbolic in my opinion, showing the seriousness of the situation and the damage that has been done to the country's banking system in the past few weeks. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)19:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The article is in good condition and if I see correctly, this is one of the biggest banks in the country? Support, but maybe without the photo, the president isn't really the focus here. --Tone21:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment: this is very internal Irish centric news. Are you sure that it is notable enough for the main page instead of the GM takeover and Guantanamo halt?--
Avala (
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20:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Though its a more marginal news item, it has a good update to it. In addition, no article (or update in an article) apparently exists for the GM/Toyota item, and the Guantanamo item will be posted when the prison is actually closed. SpencerT♦C00:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Anglo-Irish is actually quite small. It only employs 1500 people according to its article, whilst UK banks are much bigger. RBS and Barclays both employ 150,000 and a very large proportion of HSBC's 300,000 workforce are likely to employed in the UK --
Daviessimo (
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16:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment: Surely the confirmed nationalisation of any bank is more relevant than the proposed closure of a facility? If it closes I would not object but a proposal to shut it down? There's always the slightest outside possibility that it may never shut, or at least not just yet. That and having two consecutive Obama ITNs? Anglo-Irish may be "quite small" to some people but how does one compare two countries whose population difference runs into many millions? The bank has been regularly mentioned by the media in the same breath as the country's other two large banks -
Allied Irish Bank and
Bank of Ireland. Whether it is important is not so much the matter at hand - it is the fact that a government felt it was such to take action. The bank's importance is a topic for debate but the point is that the action has been taken by a country's government to nationalise a bank at an extremely quick pace - it was due to simply be recapitalised one week ago. Something prompted drastic action in that period. Whether it was the correct decision is not for us to decide; we can debate the matter but the fact is it has happened. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)18:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Well actually several American banks (and insurance companies) did make it to ITN, however, everything is reletive. Yes, by US standards Anglo-Irish is small, but given that Ireland has a population of less than 5m which makes it less than 1/60th the size of the US it naturally follows that their banks will be smaller. Also whats your anti-commonwealth/UK/Ireland/Europe agenda. Where is this bias you talk of? You want to talk about bias how much US presidential coverage was on ITN? --
Daviessimo (
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16:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
US presidential coverage was everywhere, even our local media got on the Obama bandwagon, hence its prominence at ITN was, lemme say, proportional to its coverage everywhere.\
To further illustrate the international importance of this item, see this illustration at the right.
Global music market in 2003.
That's the sizes of the music markets around the world, now of course this is not the same in the financial industry but it gives you an idea on the relative importance of the different nations (although Russia seems a lot smaller than it should be. Maybe because of rampant piracy, but that is for another day).
And where's the Republic of Ireland? The cute pink rectangle between U.S., UK and France. If you can't see it you'd have to click the thumb. –HowardtheDuck16:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think this is high time people realize that ITN is not a place to discuss/showcase that one news from a country/region is more superior or worthy than other. This type of discussion along with nominations should stop. International importance, encyclopedic value, historical uniqueness(for any subject - sports/science/socio-politics/calamities, etc), impact on population(local or global) should be few points to be met without giving undue focus on certain topics. --
GPPande17:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
It's like this: If
Miley Cyrus died on a plane crash at the border of
Montana and
Idaho, it'll probably won't make it. Now if a similar teen star from France had a plane crash at the border of Germany and Switzerland, it'll probably make it.
Is there anything for Toyota overtaking GM as the world largest vehicle producer. Personally I thought that they had done this several years ago but the Reuters story says otherwise. Its pretty noteworthy I'd say --
Daviessimo (
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10:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Here, here. Agreed. The bank above was not included when there were discussions over its nationalisation, now it has officially taken place so its importance has increased. Guantanamo will get plenty of airing later if it does shut. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)21:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Please use
P:CE when you post a news item along with the refline. Here we discuss the nomination. One star is enough to start a new topic. I have removed the excesses. Hope you don't mind. The article is poorly sourced and needs clean-up before it can up on ITN. --
GPPande15:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment On the main page we have Obama as featured picture, Washington as featured article and Inaugaration day in OTD. Surely we have to be careful of US political overkill --
Daviessimo (
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09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Luckily, no Obama items in DYK :-) Well, since this is the news of the day, I say we let it be. Regarding the wording, I prefer mentioning just Obama since the alternative with Biden is rather long. But I am fine with the other one as well. --Tone09:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I think the news is still evolving. Also, I am not sure if the legislative elections have any impact on the leadership of the country.
BBC says that presidential elections are 15 months in future. Anyone knows the official government website showing results of El Salvador? I could not find one. --
GPPande15:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Ooops, wait. I thought the chopper crashed in Afghanistan. However, this doesn't diminish the fact the commercial aircraft landing on a water body is somewhat rare. –HowardtheDuck11:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Aren't avalanches common this time of the year (at least in the Northern Hemisphere)? Nevertheless, we list tropical cyclones even if the season is ongoing so... –HowardtheDuck12:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Aren't they much more common? It inly becomes ITN material when a whole town is buried. I dunno about this case though; I'd rather pick the chopper crash. Or if the avalanche happened on a tropical place, then that's something. –HowardtheDuck16:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I believe this to be more specific for the purpose of condensing the most significant info for ITN. The one missing seems more important than what they were doing and "coast of Gabon" is shortened. If anyone wants the detail of the military exercise they can click the link - they are soldiers after all so military exercise would be expected. --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)22:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hamas announces ceasefire to allow
Israel to withdraw and to open borders, after...
Or something like it, preceeding the sentence, "Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (pictured) declares a unilateral ceasefire in the conflict in Gaza." -
SusanLesch (
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19:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Sure. Please be reminded to make sure that, before this item gets on MainPage, the article no longer uses the future tense for things that have already happened, and that everything is properly referenced, i.e. we'll have to wait till CNN, BBC, VOA, etc. to report the inauguration on their websites, and we have to cite them in the article as properly formatted footnotes. Thanks. --
PFHLai (
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02:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The worm has become one of the worst outbreak on internet in recent times and is still spreading fast. The figures from outbreak during the first two week of Jan was alarming. Feel free to alter the blurb. I have expanded the article to 2x. --
GPPande14:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
A major outbreak - affecting users across continents - major corporations across globe acting for protecting their networks and Microsoft taking swift action. Not a localized event. --
GPPande17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Oh, I get you... I was just remarking that nine million seems quite small... you would think there would be more... like a few hundred million at least... --➨♀♂CandlewickeST# :)18:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Why? It's been there for a month. The Cholera Epidemic in Zimbabwe has more victims and it didn't get as much coverage. Nor did the fighting in Sri Lanka. --
Cdogsimmons (
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05:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
With so many people dying everyday, 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict should stay at the homepage. It is important news. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.208.91.226 (
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This item has become too old and stale on ITN. We can bring it back when there are significant changes to the status quo (and such changes are documented, with refs, in appropriately updated wikipages). Until then, we'll have other newer news items on ITN. --
PFHLai (
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17:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure the bank is really large enough to be notable. We've put up similar items twice, I recall. Once, for Iceland, all 3 main banks were nationalised, and the other time we put it up was when there were 4-5 banks at once, each larger than the Anglo Irish Bank. I'm afraid I'm going to have to oppose. I would suggest DYK, but it's already been there. SpencerT♦C19:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)reply
A sprinkler incident at a
Toronto, Ontario,
Canada hydro power station sparks a major power outage in a huge swath in the City's west end affecting more than 250,000 people.
(The Globe and Mail)
Japanesemachine orders decrease 16.2 percent from October, the largest percentage drop since April 1987 and more than twice the expected rate.
(MarketWatch)
Rarely we see changes in ranks for this type of list in top 5 or 10. Ranks change every year but those are mostly beyond top 5 or 10 countries. Main article(by me) along with the list article(not by me) is updated. Feel free to alter the blurb. --
GPPande15:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
How? Those are figures from the IMF, the World Bank and the CIA fact book, i.e. two or three highly trusted sources. I doubt anyone here has enough clout to get the IMF, the World Bank of the CIA to issue revised figures for us to use
Nil Einne (
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18:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
WHY ? Why was this news
removed without a single word of discussion? I have really started hating admins these days. A bunch of them seem not ready to talk a word and delete whatever they feel like doing, be it FAR or ITN. Really horrible!!!! --
GPPande08:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment The basis for China leapfrogging Germany is data released from within China. Surely we need a more reputable source to verify this (such as world bank or IMF) before we take this as true --
Daviessimo (
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13:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
There is absolutely no need for discussion if the statement we're making on ITN is not supported by the article. The main page defers to articles, always, and if you can't reach a consensus in the article then you shouldn't have anything on the main page. Frankly, not being an admin myself I feel they generally do a decent job and I'm much more 'hating' those who propose headlines without making sure the articles are ready first (or at least mentioning if they're not)
Nil Einne (
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18:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The list article (for which the link is now removed in the blurb) was updated with China being third in rank. But it was quickly reverted and subsequently got buried down under newer edits. Check the history to see it. I did not update the list article further because it purely relies on three sources which would not be updating their own figures soon. So no point of making an exception for China. I agree to the current status of the ITN. The news is reliable because WB, IMF or CIA HB would never differ so drastically from China or any other top countries' self published figures. Now, my remark was not meant for admins here doing an exceptional job of keeping ITN rolling, but was meant for "the admins" who take "things in their own control" without even a small intimation - or - FYI kind of message why they did so. Edit summaries are not the right place to discuss individual opinions. I have seen this happen frequently with certain admins and so vented out. A right admin seeks community consensus rather enforcing his/her own free will. A proof of that is the admin who removed the news has not even bothered to explain his/her act. Clear lack of basic WP guideline. I would leave this discussion now as it is because this not an AN. --
GPPande19:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
There is also a major problem with the hook. It makes it seem as though it over took Germany yesterday. It should be something like "The IMF published data signaling that China's economy overtook Germany in 2008". Please remove this, it should be posted when the CIA, IMF or WB publish the data. JollyΩJanner20:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose, please remove this immediately. Wikipedia's list of countries by GDP is made up of three reliable sources. None of them indicate that China is greater than Germany. I would support this if it was correct, but I'm afraid the source isn't reliable enough. JollyΩJanner16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Strong support Dozens of reliable mainstream sources have reported the new revised figures. It has also been covered by the World Bank. I, do however, agree that the list article should only be updated when IMF or World Bank issue new datasets.[
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130.113.81.33 (
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23:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
But just because China have released these figures doesn't mean they are necessarily true. A reputable and neutral international organisation should first verify them and only then should the item be placed on ITN. China is essentially a semi-communist country and as such we should take very carefully any data they release. Wikipedia is not a news service and its job is not to 'report' news. Its job is to provide verifiable neutral information and as far as I'm concerned China releasing information and every news organisation reporting it doesn't make it verifiable. --
Daviessimo (
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15:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Strong support. For obvious reasons, any commercial plane crash in New York City should be on here. Its the lead on BBC.com, reuters.com, ABC (Australia), CNN. Clearly there is international interest.
Parler Vous(edits)21:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Usually i would support a plane crash but this one hit a bunch of birds and everyone came out unharmed. Except US Airways losing a 100 million $ plane nothing much happened. So i do not support this plane crash.
99.237.101.160 (
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21:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Strong support As far as I'm aware, what happened here (and correct me if I'm wrong) is almost unprecedented in commercial aviation - a fully loaded jetliner making a successful landing on water. Personally I think that would be pretty noteworthy on it's own, even if you disregard the fact that it's a crash landing of a jetliner in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet.
87.115.87.175 (
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23:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Plane crashes aren't as uncommon as you think. I don't think the fact that happened in New York in the river makes it any extra notable. Plane crashes are over-reported news, because planes are supposed to be safe and everybody gets scared when they crash. Wikipedia shouldn't be like this. JollyΩJanner23:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support I don't really see why not. I recall other large plane crashes that have occurred, and the article looks nice. The wording needs some modifications though, it's not really that great. SpencerT♦C23:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Do we really need the location? I was thinking of saying NYC to Charlotte, but it technically doesn't matter. I'm going to post this, there appears to be consensus. If someone wants to upload (and crop) the image and upload here, feel free. SpencerT♦C01:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I suppose you find the ITN hook of the sinking
MV Teratai Prima to be too Indonesia-centric, too? 1549 has made news headlines around the world. It made a successful emergency landing with no major casualties in NYC - fairly newsworthy, I think.
Matthewedwards (
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20:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
As the
2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict is an ongoing event perhaps it is best to keep it in the news with updates? Whatever happened to the idea of creating an ongoing news section? The late 2000s economic crisis, climate change education, wars/conflicts/battles, etc, could all be located here.
Nick carson (
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03:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I'm unsure of the notability, perhaps a European ITN participant can fill me in. You may want to say "....Černý's satrical scuplture...". SpencerT♦C22:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't mind seeing this on ITN, but I wonder how "big" this is. I don't think this is "frontpgae materials" in newspapers around the world, except maybe in Brussels and Bulgaria. So I'd recommend DYK, too. It's already nominated at
T:TDYK#Entropa, anyway. --
PFHLai (
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22:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I was also considering it for DYK, I just figured I should try here first since it's a current event. If consensus here is not to use it for ITN, I can take it to DYK. Thanks,
Politizertalk/contribs00:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Bitcoins first transaction initiated by Satoshi Nakamoto
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ITN candidates for January 12
The portal space is still empty... Is there an article about ferry disaster in Indonesia? And Golden globes were handed out today, this is one of the biggest awards. However, due to many categories, it's hard to propose an adequate wording. --Tone08:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't regard the Golden Globe Awards as being worthy of its inclusion here. It happens every year and it's just people getting awards. Not really news. JollyΩJanner16:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Okay. If someone wants to flip the image (so it faces the text) and upload it here, that'd be great. I think the Boyle photo is better than the alt. SpencerT♦C22:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I added the ferry, as I'm in favour of shorter articles getting developed by views off the MP. But if anyone strenuously disagrees, then just revert. --
Stephen22:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The
MVSirius Star, a
supertanker seized in the world's largest hijacking, is released with 2,000,000 barrels (320,000 m3) of
oil and all 25 crew members unharmed after a
US$3 million
ransom is paid.
(Guardian)
The
Iranian-chartered
wheat-carrying vessel MV Desire is released with 25 crew members unharmed.
(Xinhua)
Nice. Recently India saw the greatest corporate scam in its history.
Satyam Computer Services had inflated balance sheets of ₹7,000 crore (US$840 million). Do you think, if I made a quality update to the article, it would make it to ITN? --
GPPande14:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Looks big and it has some international consequences. In any case, it's good to have the article updated, ITN or not ;-) --Tone14:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Is using genetic screening in this way a new thing? I have the impression that we have had the technology to do such screening for some time. Perhaps the only news here that people are screening for that gene for the first time, which would make this just-another-gene-screening-process.
Thue |
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I think the significance comes from the fact that using screening they were able to avoid passing on one of the most prevelant hereditary diseases in the world (breast cancer). The profound implications is that it will allows couples, where one of them has a family history of breast cancer, to screen embryos and prevent passing it on. But without an updated article its a non-starter --
Daviessimo (
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20:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
How original suggestion turned into "Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes against Hamas in the area." See our detailed objection in January 3 title below. Over 300 civillians including over 130 children are dead by now, only yesterday 75 civillians had been killed, while only 4 Hamas gunmen had been killed. IDF claimed Hamas is the only target and they took cautions against civillians, then they bombed a
UN School, which is reported to IDF as a school by UN, which resulted 40 deaths including children. High civillian casualties should be stressed immediately.Kasaalan (
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12:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Israeli ground forces enter Gaza after a week of airstrikes over city, statedly against Hamas, resulted with high civillian and children casualties. A better wording may be suggested since I am not native English speaker, yet high civillian casualties should be stressed. Near 2700 people are wounded, 670 are dead already, while over 300 of them are civillians and at least 130 them are 16 year old or smaller children. Source AP
[13]Kasaalan (
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01:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
It's war. There will be inevitable collateral damages. I'm not sure if it's such as good idea to bring up the children as this seems to be "sensationalizing" the news item. I've rewitten the line as:
Hi, with respect (and I'm sure it's not your intention) this kind of sanitised, understated characterisation of what's happening is likely to bring shame on Wikipedia in many peoples eyes. 'Resume hostilities' hardly seems to be an appropriate description that mirrors the terms used by the majority of English language reliable sources around the world. I've seen what seemed to be more appropriate titles in this section given their due weight. This event is on everyone's TV screens after all and it still seems to be the headline on all channels given the ongoing developments. Just a thought. Sean.hoyland - talk04:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, ITN doesn't report news, just highlighting new or well updated articles related to news..... with a factually correct sentence that doesn't require too much updating. I must say I am not 100% happy with the word "hostilities", though. Perhaps "resume fighting"? Or "resume combat"? I don't know. Suggestions are welcome. I'm putting in "resume fighting" for now. I hope it's not too "chatty". --
PFHLai (
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06:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I hope you're okay with the change from "hostilities" to "fighting". It's more than "staring, angrily pointing fingers and screaming at each other," eh! --
PFHLai (
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13:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I feel this is better than the Franken one (as that will almost certainly be taken through the courts) if you're looking for an American story. Wording probably needs to be improved though.
Parler Vous(edits)21:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Maybe we could have something on the Ukraine gas crisis now since several European countries report a drop in gas supplies. --Tone09:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support if there is an updated article. BBC are stating that Serbia, Germany, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Macedonia, Greece, Croatia and Czech Republic have all been affected. --
Daviessimo (
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19:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Several European countries report fail in supplies after
Gazprom cuts off gas deliveries to Ukraine, caused by failure of negotiations over gas price. Something like this but the blurb can certainly be written better so I am not putting it on yet. --Tone21:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Sources:
[15]. This is a bit iffy: on one hand, it's only about a Senate seat in America, and we already have an election hook on ITN. On the other hand, this election is especially notable because it was so close, and there isn't anything about America in ITN at the moment. Your call; I'm new to ITN :/ Sceptre(
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They moved
Dakar to South America? Sorry I couldn't resist. Anyway support presuming the article gets up to scratch. Not sure if we should put it now or wait to the end though
Nil Einne (
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17:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I suggest we put it on now since there are many categories and it would be impractical to list all the winners at the end. Of course, it would be nice to have some more content in the article. --Tone18:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Please remove the words "against Hamas". Though the IDF claims that Hamas is its target, it is not possible for independent sources to confirm this (therefore I don't think these 2 words are verifiable or neutral.) --
InfantGorilla (
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12:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Dweller, That is what I mean. It is verifiable (and undisputed) that Israel states that Hamas is the target. It is not verifiable that Hamas actually is the target (we cannot know how pilots actually select targets - we can guess from the aggregate of the targets they have hit, but we should not guess on the Wikipedia main page.) Much more balanced that we don't open this issue in a headline.--
InfantGorilla (
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10:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Over 2700 people are wounded, over 630 people are dead, over 300 of them are civillians while over 130 of them are children, yesterday IDF bombed a school killed 40 people, UN stated IDF already had been informed on school locations, how can we still say the attack only targets Hamas gunmen. Just yesterday they killed 75 civillians in total while they only killed 4 Hamas gunmen. They do bomb on Gaza true, yet it is not limited to Hamas gunmen or government buildings, they strike with
Phosphorus bombs apparently, which targets an area instead a location. Gaza is one of the most crowded cities in the world, while you bomb a building all the other buildings around affected. I stated my objections in the
Main Page Template Talk in detail with clear sources. 1.5 million of people are suffering hunger and lack of medication now by Israeli blockade. We cannot present the case just like Israel strikes Hamas.
The title needs to be change immediately for apparent neutrality purposes, with stressing on high Palestinian civillian casualties.Kasaalan (
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11:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)reply
It is now expired and replaced with a Jan 7 candidate linking to the same encyclopedia article: "Israeli and Hamas forces resume fighting in Gaza after a six-month ceasefire" I support the new wording. --
InfantGorilla (
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14:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Sri Lankan victory over LTTE is quite significant.
Kilinochchi was the last big town held by LTTE. After 20 years it is back into Sri Lankan armies control. The 25 year-old of bloody civil war is about to end. Maybe I would work on it sometime later today. --
GPPande12:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)reply
According to the archive, we didn't have
Edna Parker on ITN when she died. I think we should discuss whether to set a precedent because news of this sort happen every couple of months, according to the world's oldest living person log. I don't have a strong opinion for or against in this case. --Tone19:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I'm going to have to oppose...I don't find it particularly noteworthy, as it happens too often, and I feel it sets a dangerous precedent. SpencerT♦C23:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I oppose too. By their very nature the oldest person in the world dies all the time, since they are at the outer limit of human capacity. IMO it would only be ITN-worthy if there were really exceptional circumstances involved, such as beating the previous age record by a significant margin.
Thue |
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Ok, then we can say we include the oldest person only when he/she lives longer than the previous record holder (around 122 years, if I remember correctly). --Tone10:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Even I oppose inclusion of similar entries in ITN. These are mostly trivial information, with no impact on international events and on scientific community in nature(yeah, there longevity has been a matter of research, but that's all). Such entries fail
WP:ITN/DCcriteria#6. --
GPPande12:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Well done! To save the effort for next year, a list for 2009 should probably compiled on monthly or weekly basis. And I think we should put a link to past ITN items somewhere on this page permanently, to have an archive. --Tone23:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Since adding items to this archive would not require admin access - I may also be able to give a helping hand as and when possible. --
GPPande07:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)reply
This is a bit early setup but anyway. Do we have any significant events on January 1?
New Turkish Lira is being renamed with a change of paper money, maybe ITN material?
Czech Republic assuming the presidency of the EU. And many more... --Tone14:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
By the way, shall we include the Turkish Lira in the same blurb since they are both about currency? Or is it less newsworthy? --Tone12:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Conditional support. We don't have any responses or effects but I guess it will take some time to see the consequences. So this can probably go up. Any other opinions? --Tone12:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Let's wait to see how long the supplies remain cut-off. If there is a serious shortage affecting multiple countries, then this should go up - as of now - the shortage is simply "expected". Avoid speculation. Maybe Russia would resume supply till then. --
GPPande13:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't know, explosions on such scale have recently happened in Sri Lanka, Iraq and Gaza as well... In my opinion it really depends on the significance but I can't say anything here. --Tone10:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply