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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

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What not to propose for discussion here

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{ Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

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  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{ editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like " American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{ subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{ subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{ Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{ Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_June_11#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{ subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{ subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{ Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{ subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{ subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{ subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{ subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{ WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, " relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

June 11

Template:Bugmenot

An ancient template on ancient user pages that is just about guaranteed to have no use whatsoever any longer. And we block/lock compromised accounts these days. Izno ( talk) 05:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Rfta top

Template for a failed proposed process. Izno ( talk) 05:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply


June 10

Template:Miami Metrorail platform layout/Green next

Unused Metrorail station platform templates. Gonnym ( talk) 19:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:SA Medal

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2014. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:GACstats

No transclusions. Apparently, this was updated by a bot for a while, but that stopped in 2016. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Diplomatic missions of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Navbox with no transclusions or incoming links. No blue links to full articles in the body of the navbox. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Transperth railway network diagram

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: has been added to appropriate article. Useddenim ( talk) 03:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There are several problems with this template. It is massive, and thus unusable in any article. The Airport line does not cover the full extent of its route as shown on File:TransperthRailwayMap.svg. The Morley–Ellenbrook line also does not cover the full extent of its route, which is meant to reach Perth station. The colours of each of the lines is incorrect (correct colours are shown on Module:Adjacent stations/Transperth). The size of the rail network makes this sort of template impractical and hard to read because the labels for each station have to be on either the left or right side, which results in the Ellenbrook line stations being listed in between the Joondalup line stations, for example. Steelkamp ( talk) 04:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:US Census geography

Unused article content template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Vanderbilt Libraries

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as creator: phased out in favor of another template. BhamBoi ( talk) 23:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:WMATA Green platform layout/side

Unused Washington Metro station platform templates. Gonnym ( talk) 18:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Warren Railroad

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: has been restored to parent article. Useddenim ( talk) 02:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Wdsi

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused date related template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as creator: stopped working on it in favor of just using existing modules and focusing effort on migrating use case to Lua. Pedantical ( talk) 00:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Wddi

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused date related template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as creator: stopped working on it in favor of just using existing modules and focusing effort on migrating use case to Lua. Pedantical ( talk) 00:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Wicket-keepers in One Day International cricket

Unused navigation template with only 1 link. Gonnym ( talk) 18:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:West-Midlands-Metro-Line-Two-Coventry

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep, it might be used at some point. G-13114 ( talk) 05:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:West-Midlands-Metro-Line-One-Ext

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:West-Midlands-Metro-Line-One

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep it might be used again at some point. G-13114 ( talk) 05:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Zhengzhou–Jinan high-speed railway RDT

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 18:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: has been restored to parent article. Useddenim ( talk) 02:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Foreign relations of the DPR and LPR

The DPR and LPR were puppet states of Russia and had no foreign relations. Aldij ( talk) 12:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete They did have recognition from a few other countries, although, looking at Donetsk People's Republic–South Ossetia relations, sourcing doesn't seem to be of the quality you'd want to write good standalone articles that go further than "X officially recognized Y". The navboxes have four and two links respectively, so not great, although there's no objection to recreating them if more articles can be written (hopefully with better sources). Chaotic Enby ( talk · contribs) 14:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Nomination has nothing to do with the templates and is a political statement than of actual concerns with the navboxes. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 23:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Pacific Electric Trail

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 03:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused route map template. Gonnym ( talk) 14:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I added it to Upland–San Bernardino Line#After passenger service jengod ( talk) 22:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Explicit template now used so withdraw. Can be closed. Gonnym ( talk) 18:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Eingebundene Diskografie

Not a template. Gonnym ( talk) 12:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:NYCS Sandbox header

Incorrect location for a sandbox template. Currently unused. Gonnym ( talk) 09:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:NYCS Sandbox

Incorrect location for a sandbox template, which does not seem to be a sandbox for Template:NYCS. Currently unused. Gonnym ( talk) 09:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Counter-Vandalism Unit/fpage

Unused template. Replaced with a simple change here. Gonnym ( talk) 09:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite California Invasive Plant Council assessment

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Positionskarte Österreich

Unused location map. Gonnym ( talk) 09:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Positionskarte Welt

Unused location map. Gonnym ( talk) 09:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Positionskarte Erde

Unused location map. Gonnym ( talk) 09:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Railway signal mast

Unused railway related image template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Water polo/doc

Unused documentation page of a banner wrapper. Gonnym ( talk) 09:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Vatican City/doc

Unused documentation page of a banner wrapper. Gonnym ( talk) 09:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Why not just redirect? ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 09:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't find anything worthwhile saving in these documentation pages that need to be redirected. These are all the same boilerplate copy/paste versions that have no actual added value. Gonnym ( talk) 09:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
In that case, delete.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject United States Public Policy/doc

Unused documentation page of a banner wrapper. Gonnym ( talk) 09:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject UK Roads/doc

Unused documentation page of a banner wrapper. Gonnym ( talk) 09:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Iowa/doc

Unused documentation page of a banner wrapper. Gonnym ( talk) 09:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Color/doc

Unused. Parent now uses |DOC=auto. Gonnym ( talk) 09:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Vistula boulevards (Warsaw)

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 09:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. As its creator I do agree template should be deleted. I've created it as an experiment, in wrong name space, at my beginings in wiki editing. Antoni12345 ( talk) 13:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Subterm and Subdefn

These templates were meant to be visual sub-terms and sub-definitions in structured {{ Glossary}}s. They didn't add semantic sub-structuring, only indented their equivalent terms & definitions. They were only used in Waveguide filter#Glossary, but I replaced them with nested {{ glossary}}+{{ term}}+{{ defn}} inside their defining {{ defn}}, producing a near-identical indentation, plus semantic structure. They are now unused, and probably shouldn't be used (TemplateStyles on the glossary, or term/defn templates, would satisfy any potential need). the template.  —  sbb ( talk) 08:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per nom, though the glossary at that page was wonky in another way (fixed [1]).  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Virudunagar–Sengottai line

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 09:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:TfLstyle

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Charles-Valentin Alkan/doc

Unused. Parent template now uses {{ Navbox documentation}}. Gonnym ( talk) 09:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Challenges

Project hasn't been active around 14 years and usages of this banner are being incorrectly applied to articles that involved "challenges". The dead project has no categories or any usage for this banner. Gonnym ( talk) 08:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive

The project hasn't been active for over a decade, does not have categories or any reason for tagging pages with a banner. Gonnym ( talk) 08:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Gbq/doc

The {{ Gbq}} template was simply a wrapper for {{ Quote}} with some specified inline styles (specifically, reduced vertical margins). It was intended for use in structured {{ Glossary}}s. It was only ever used correctly once, in Glossary of Brazil investigative terms. All other ~6 uses in article space were used in {{ efn}} for condensed spacing (which I replaced with the equivalent {{ quote|style="..."}}). I have edited {{ Glossary}} to use TemplateStyles, which has allowed the use of {{ quote}} inside of glossary {{ Defn}} templates to be formatted exactly as {{ Gbq}} was formatted. I.e., TemplateStyles has obsoleted the need for the style-only wrapper {{Gbq}} around {{quote}}. {{Gbq}} is now a redirect to {{quote}}. Asking to delete the now-obsolete "/doc" subpage.  —  sbb ( talk) 08:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per nom. Gonnym ( talk) 09:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (as creator of the template). It's nice that TemplateStyles obviates the need for this sort of thing today. PS: It would probably be better to just replace every instance of {{gbq}} in the wild with {{blockquote}} (the actual name of what {{gbq}} and {{quote}} redirect to), and then get rid of the {{gbq}} redirect, since it no longer serves any function, not even a mnemonic one.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Update: I've replaced all in situ uses of {{gbq}} with {{blockquote}} (other than references to deletion discussion and in Template:Gbq/doc itself).  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I agree, I was going to TfD {{gbq}}, but I figured leaving it behind for the several uses in user pages wasn't going to hurt anything. But from a purity standpoint, I'd love to see it go.  —  sbb ( talk) 15:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Also... I forgot, might as well get rid of {{ Gquote}} too (which used to redirect to {{Gbq}}.  —  sbb ( talk) 15:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Mathematical and Computational Biology

This is a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Molecular Biology. Replace with {{ WikiProject Molecular Biology|computational biology=yes}}. Gonnym ( talk) 07:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Replace then delete the redundant template, per Gonnym. We don't need misleading as well as redundant wikiproject banners lingering around.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Moved to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al * Pppery * it has begun... 03:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Merged into {{ coatrack}} since [2]. Their names falsely imply that they will still display a more biology-related notice. In reality, they are just unused redirects. Only mentions are basically Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template_redirects and other lists. 184.146.170.127 ( talk) 03:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This should be completely uncontroversial, but from a purely clerical standpoint template redirects should be at RfD and not TfD. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 11:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Agreed, though I'll chime in here in favor of delete in case it's not moved/reopened as an RfD. We don't need weird redirects lingering around that are not in actual use.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


June 9

Template:Betsy

Navbox with one link. DB1729 talk 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Flora of header

This complete set of templates are either unused, used only in the author's practically blanked sandboxes as they've moved the data to WikiBooks, or used in pages they haven't edited since 2012. Wikipedia sandboxes really shouldn't be kept as archives like this, but if they really want these, then move to their user page. Gonnym ( talk) 06:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Fern cladogram.show(Outgroups)

Unused cladogram template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Fern cladogram.show(Orders)

Unused cladogram template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Fern cladogram

Unused cladogram template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Escape page link from within

Unused template that does what Template:Delink does. Gonnym ( talk) 06:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. It is currently used, at the ANI header (just sporadically, so not showing up currently), as well as somewhere else I'm forgetting and don't have time to find at the moment (I'm on mobile with limited internet). It is not the same as {{ delink}} — please reread the documentation. Delink won't help you for a parameter value that has the linking in the parent template. There's plausible use in the future, and a suitably strong warning in the documentation that in most cases you don't really want to use it, so overall no reason to delete. I suggest withdrawing the nomination, Gonnym. Sdkb  talk 14:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I've looked at the code at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Header. Am I missing something or was this entire template created just because you wanted to add a silly smile to the header ( [3])? Because without {{ 4-1}}, the code works fine:
    {{if April Fools|{{Spoken Wikipedia|date=2007-02-20|Wikipedia Administrators' Noticeboard Slash Incidents.ogg}}}}
    If that is the sole reason for that, I'm still sticking with the delete rational and also remove the smiley. Gonnym ( talk) 15:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Gonnym, please do not remove the documentation that explains this template's purpose (and which I just referenced above) in the midst of this TfD. I created this template because there are various circumstances in which someone might want to use a template field that is normally wrapped in a link, but not want a link in a particular niche circumstance. The linked example is one — this template allows the {{ 4-1}} (which is better characterized as the mandatory humor disclosure than a "silly smiley") to be added — but there are others. I have indeed used this template in other circumstances (which were since resolved, thus why it's no longer transcluded elsewhere), which I can try to remember and dig up if you or others are curious. The example in the documentation with {{ redirect}} is also only quasi-hypothetical. But it's somewhat immaterial, as the overall use case is laid out clearly in the documentation, and WP:TFD#REASONS is very clear that being unused is not sufficient rationale for deletion unless the template also has no likelihood of being used in the future. Sdkb  talk 23:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I removed the "documentation" as it isn't documentation, but you telling a irrelevant story. Documentation should be short and to the point. So far you aren't adding any usages other than the one at the header template which isn't really needed. Gonnym ( talk) 07:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Southport/Aintree lines

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The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 06:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Template:Fürigenbahn diagram

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The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 06:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Template:CladeInfo

Unused cladogram related template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Laurasiatheria Cladogram

Unused in mainspace cladogram. Used in only one user sandbox which hasn't been edited since 2016. If they want it, move it to their userspace otherwise delete. Gonnym ( talk) 06:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cladogram of Manidae genera

Unused cladogram. Gonnym ( talk) 06:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Dimokratias–Nea Krini

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 06:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Detailed MENA topic

Unused fork of Template:Middle East topic. If there is need to add more locations to the general template, it should be brought on the talk page and if it has consensus, it should be added. This fork is unnecessary. Gonnym ( talk) 06:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Read the docs or look at the code. They function differently and are suited to different topics.
"Detailed MENA topic" has a separate topic and join (in, by, from, etc.).
(topic)-(join)-COUNTRY
Whereas the "Middle East topic" templates has a suffix
(prefix) - COUNTRY - (suffix)
If I make that change to the existing template it will possibly brake pages it's used on, but this is a is a useful different way of doing it.
Also, I intend to expand it. MENA = middle east and North Africa. It's too much to add to the Middle East template (there are probably situations where people don't want Morocco, Tunisia, etc.) MWQs ( talk) 09:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The Middle East topic is a neat little simple template that's useful in some situations, the detailed one is different. MWQs ( talk) 09:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Please give an an example of topic of articles that will only work with your version and not with Template:Middle East topic. Gonnym ( talk) 15:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cross-Border Trolley

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The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 06:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I understand that. I'll add this to the Blue Line (San Diego Trolley) article, if you don't mind. If it can't be there, though, you can delete it.
- SleepTrain456 ( talk) 19:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: has been added to parent article. Useddenim ( talk) 00:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Withdrawn. Gonnym ( talk) 07:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks, Gonnym! I'll remove the "Template for discussion" from the Cross-Border Trolley, if you don't mind.
- SleepTrain456 ( talk) 19:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Template:Chicago Amtrak services

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The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 06:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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June 8

Template:Expert-category-notice

Unused notice of questionable utility. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment from its appearance, it should be a substitution template. It even has the inline HTML comment found in substitution templates. -- 64.229.90.32 ( talk) 06:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Viljandi JK Tulevik squad

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:G7 Elli ( talk | contribs) 11:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused, and has no likelihood of being used in the near future. Template was created by me a few years back. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Template:2024 Worldcup

Unused external links or pseudo-citation template. It seems every edit from this editor was reverted. Gonnym ( talk) 18:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. It is just spam. Annh07 ( talk) 19:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2024 SVB Eerste Divisie table

Unused as it was broken and added incorrectly to article. I've placed the data directly at article. Gonnym ( talk) 18:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2012 Democratic Party presidential primaries imagemap

Unused election image map. Gonnym ( talk) 18:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2010–11 WHL trades

Unused as it was subst into article here. Gonnym ( talk) 18:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Scrolling box

Recently created and largely duplicates other templates like Template:scroll box. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Counties of Fars province

Unused. All information found in Template:Fars province. Gonnym ( talk) 11:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Category TOC (non-Latin)

Unused category ToC template. Gonnym ( talk) 11:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Both

Propose merging Template:Both with Template:If both.
Both of these templates do the same thing except {{ if both}} is configurable. We should merge them to avoid needlessly duplicated functionality. The only change required to {{ if both}} is to add a default value of 1 in its true parameter so it acts like {{ both}} when no parameters are passed to it. Nickps ( talk) 11:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose the templates don't do the same thing. {{ both}} returns a truth value, while {{ if both}} selects one of two values. Adding the {{ both}} behavior to {{ if both}} might cause unanticipated changes. Given the number of transclusions, I would exercise the precautionary principle and not merge them. — hike395 ( talk) 15:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
On the contrary, {{ if both}} is a generalisation of {{ both}} so they are very much the same. For all arguments p,q {{ if both|p|q|1}} is exactly equivalent to {{ both|p|q}}. Nickps ( talk) 16:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose and instead redirect {{ if both}} -> {{ if empty}} which it really is a pure subset of. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Oppose merge. Given the already transpired snafu documented at VPT, I think we can expect unexpected side effects from merging these two oft transcluded templates, and the benefit does not seem to outweigh the cost, be it in errors or in editor time checking that every template transcluding one of these still functions as intended for each case. Folly Mox ( talk) 19:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Ethel Caffie-Austin

Unused navigation template. None of the articles in the releases section mention her. Gonnym ( talk) 11:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Estonia T1 route map

Unused road route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Estonia T11 route map

Unused road route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Dhaka MRT Line 6 mapframe

Unused rail route image map. Gonnym ( talk) 10:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Mehedi Abedin ( talk) 10:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Climate finance in Africa

Unused with only red links. Wrappers of continent topic templates such as {{ Africa topic}}. Gonnym ( talk) 10:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Zero articles beginning with "Climate finance in". – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:North San Fernando Valley Transit Corridor

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Barmer–Bandra Terminus Humsafar Express

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Bandra Terminus–Barmer Humsafar Express

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:NBL Ladder 2021–22 - Team's Page

Unused sports template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:NBA G League Ignite current roster

Unused sports roster navigation template for an inactive team. Gonnym ( talk) 10:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Makati OKBet Kings roster

Unused sports roster for an inactive team. Gonnym ( talk) 10:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Bacoor City Strikers roster

Unused sports roster for an inactive team. Bacoor City Strikers#Final roster uses a different table. Gonnym ( talk) 10:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Asia-Pacific Association for International Education

Unused navigation template. The topic, Asia-Pacific Association for International Education was deleted in 2013 for being non-notable. Gonnym ( talk) 10:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Allee

Was incorrectly used in an article which I removed. This isn't template content. Gonnym ( talk) 10:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete fractional biography masquerading as a template -- 64.229.90.32 ( talk) 06:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:French football clubs/Header

Unused football table template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Medcab case update

Unused as Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal hasn't existed for over a decade. See related deletion of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Template:Medcab1. Gonnym ( talk) 10:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Trains portal/News image flag

Unused portal related templates. See related deletion of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Template:Trains portal/News image 2. Gonnym ( talk) 10:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Actionurl1

Unused. See related deletion of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Template:Actionurl1-f. Gonnym ( talk) 10:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:S.L. Benfica defunct sections

Propose merging Template:S.L. Benfica defunct sections with Template:S.L. Benfica sections
Only three sections, could be easily added and just separated with a horizontal rule or given italics to display that they are defunct presently. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 06:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

It's a useful navigation template that is displayed almost at the top of Benfica-related articles. SLBedit ( talk) 21:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, but can you show us how it would look? SLBedit ( talk) 21:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox climber

Propose merging Template:Infobox climber with Template:Infobox mountaineer.
I think that Template:Infobox mountaineer could be handled by Template:Infobox climber. A lot of mountaineers do climbing and visa-versa. Infobox climber is the most important infobox (and the most detailed) and has the richest level of detail on their climbing/mountaineering career (I think infobox climber captures all of mountaineer career data. The mountaineer infobox items of "famous partnerships", "final ascent" and "retirement age" are subjective items). The main differences are around the non-climbing items that cand be just merged? Aszx5000 ( talk) 16:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Noting also that we have been recently merging several mountaineering categories and climbing categories together such as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 26#Category:Works about mountaineering, amongst others. Aszx5000 ( talk) 09:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Pinging User:Cullen328 who I have seen participate at climbing AfDs - @Cullen328, what do you think of my proposal? I have put a notice of this on at WikiProject page but no one has answered so far - are there any others who should be pinged? thanks. Aszx5000 ( talk) 10:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Could you list the parameters that would need to be added or have different names? That would make it easier to see if these indeed have the same scope. Gonnym ( talk) 11:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Aszx5000, I am not familiar with the details of the respective infobox parameters, but I agree that mountaineering and climbing are basically the same sport with many variations ranging from bouldering to high elevation expedition mountaineering. I think that it is counterproductive to try to separate it into two separate sports, so I am generally supportive of what you hope to accomplish. I am 72 years old and have not been an active mountaineer for about 15 years, so I am not current on recent developments in the sport. Cullen328 ( talk) 15:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Gonnym, The disjoint of the parameter sets for these two templates appears to consist of the following: |main_discipline=, |other_discipline=, |start_discipline,=|height=, |weight =, |start_age =, |partnerships=, |website =, |typeofclimber =, |namedroutes =, |highestredpoint=, |highestonsight=, |highestboulder=, |apeindex=, |knownfor=, |worlds =, |final_ascent=, |medaltemplates=, |updated =, |partner=, |children =, |parents=, |relatives=, |firstascents=. Further, the following parameters would have to be aliased to one another: |retirement= and |retirement_age=; |notable_ascents= and |majorascents=.
That said, {{ Infobox climber}} wraps {{ Infobox sportsperson}}, whereas {{ Infobox mountaineer}} does not appear to, so many of the mountaineer parameters not present in the climber template may actually be inherited (the family stuff for sure).
Why not just wrap {{ Infobox sportsperson}} with {{ Infobox mountaineer}} instead of trying to realign everything here? How many articles have a problem where it's unclear which template is more appropriate for the subject? Both genuine questions for Aszx5000. Folly Mox ( talk) 19:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree that the way {{ Infobox climber}} does so is the better way. I'm leaning support this merge unless someone has any valid objections. One thing though, when the merge happens, please make sure you use the correct naming conventions for parameters ( snake case) and climber uses a mix of 4 different styles. Gonnym ( talk) 21:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Would definitely keep {{ Infobox climber}} as it has lots of good objective facts when used properly (e.g. Alexander Huber, Chris Sharma, Catherine Destivelle). The issue is that {{ Infobox mountaineer}} has essentially the same 'biographical' facts (i.e. personal and family info) as {{ Infobox climber}}, but outside of 'notable ascents' (which is the 'major ascents' on {{ Infobox climber}}), the rest of the 'career' section are either not objective facts or not really notable things in mountaineering, and should be discarded. I would be happy to help guide any merge process (I am very active in WProj Climbing). Once done, there are a few more upgrades we want to make to {{ Infobox climber}} to improve its usefulness. thanks to all above. Aszx5000 ( talk) 11:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply


June 7

Template:Beardfish (band)

No links DB1729 talk 12:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete as it has nothing to navigate to. Gonnym ( talk) 13:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: My fault for tagging this too quickly. Upon review I see that Beardfish has one album with a WP article The Sane Day and one band member has an article, Rikard Sjöblom. I've added those at the template. [4] However, that's just two, and still does not justify a navbox. -- DB1729 talk 02:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Indiana Wesleyan Wildcats football navbox

Unused football navigation template with no blue links. Gonnym ( talk) 10:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Date on weekday after Juliandate

Unused calendar template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:CurlingboxClub

Unused curling table template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:OFK Bačka squad

Unused football squad navigation template with no blue links. Gonnym ( talk) 09:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Nuneaton Borough F.C. squad

Unused football squad navigation template. All blue links play for different teams so information is outdated. Gonnym ( talk) 09:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:NK Inter Zaprešić squad

Unused and empty football squad navigation template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:KF Elbasani squad

Unused and empty football squad navigation template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Harju JK Laagri squad

Unused football squad navigation template with only 1 blue link. Not enough valid links for a navigation template. Gonnym ( talk) 09:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • comment WP:TFD#REASONS point number 3 says "has no likelihood of being used". It is not an amateur club and some players may actually pass GNG. The team just fell out of the top division and is in the course of gaining the spot back. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 21:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    These copy and paste templates take 10 seconds to create. If and when there is a need, someone can recreate it. We don't deal in WP:CRYSTAL. Gonnym ( talk) 04:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thats literally what the deletion rule says. Cant just bluelink something (crystal) that is not related to templates. 10 seconds is unreal, but the time wasted on deletion discussions and recreation is pointless. Not to mention deletion does not save space in Wikipedia. Pointing out that it can be recreated means there is no point to delete it in the first place. Again, this is not an article. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    keep per actual deletion rules. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 13:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 13:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:FC Torpedo-2 squad

Unused navigation template for a football club that was disbanded. Gonnym ( talk) 09:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Crucero del Norte squad

Unused football squad template which hasn't been updated since 2015 so also probably incorrect. Gonnym ( talk) 09:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite statute

Unused citation template created by a now blocked user. Gonnym ( talk) 07:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Unused, cumbersome template that cannot be used in a manner consistent with WP:PRIMARY. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite glbtq Encyclopedia Project

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. I created this template 6 months ago and forgot to implement it. There are at least 500 links to this encyclopedia on Wikipedia, all of which are now not only dead, but unfit. All of them should be replaced with this template ASAP. I'll work on it in the next few days. Daask ( talk) 11:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good to hear. Withdraw then. Gonnym ( talk) 13:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite World Digital Library

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite SCDOT map

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This template is now in use, and usage of it should only increase in the future. Imzadi 1979  → 01:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Sure. Hopefully it does not stay with a single transclusion. Withdraw as now in use. Gonnym ( talk) 17:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite NewGroveJazz2002

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Cite Littell's

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Butterworth LRT line

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Broward Coastal Rail Link

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:British Columbia rail network

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Transperth railway network map

Unused Australian rail map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. Unfortunately, this map is out of date and thus can't be used on any articles unless it is updated. Steelkamp ( talk) 04:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply


June 6

Template:Nomembers

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2010. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. Unneeded as we have Template:Db-c1. Gonnym ( talk) 20:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Unused, redundant template. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Nickname links

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2017. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:OTL Oradea

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2010. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Orch

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2009. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:PakNA

No transclusions. Created in 2016. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:PunjabPA

No transclusions. Created in 2016. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Sfnmtxt

No transclusions. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Senary

No transclusions. Created in 2013. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Smallmath (non-XML)

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2016. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Smallmath should probably also be deleted with it as it isn't used other than a few old talk pages. Gonnym ( talk) 20:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Snort

No transclusions. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Why would anyone use this? Only use on User:DingDongPingPong can be substituted. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 23:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:OBrian sequence

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Kusma ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Duplicate and inferior to the much better Template:Patrick O'Brian. Gonnym ( talk) 08:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Concur. Ok, I marked it for deletionj using {{ db-author}}
Sm8900 ( talk) 15:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Template:Media by uploader

This isn't an actual template. Gonnym ( talk) 08:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Colo-Colo B squad

Unused rooster template that hasn't been updated since 2016. It is unclear from Colo-Colo B if this team is still active. Gonnym ( talk) 08:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Chasmata of Ariel

Unused as it was replaced with Template:Ariel (moon). Gonnym ( talk) 08:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:CapFriendly

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 08:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:CanadaCupDivision

Unused sports table. Gonnym ( talk) 08:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Brooklyn Bolts roster

Unused rooster template as the team stopped playing in 2016. Gonnym ( talk) 08:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Boris Yeltsin Presidential Library

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete ( creator agrees with deletion) Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 08:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete as creator. I have abandoned this template and it is no longer used. BhamBoi ( talk) 17:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Template:Baylor Libraries

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 08:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, as creator phased out in favor of another template. BhamBoi ( talk) 23:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Australian rules football statistics legend (pre-1987)/ruck

Unused sports legend. Gonnym ( talk) 08:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Australian states clickable

Unused Australian map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Australian state elections map

Unused Australian map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Author sequence

Currently an exact copy of Template:Sequence and unused, but before it does get used, this is unnecessary and will end up as an inferior duplicate of a navigation template if valid, or be used contrary to WP:FILMNAV. Gonnym ( talk) 07:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Uncertain. are we sure there's no use for this? I realize it's an exact copy of template:Sequence now, but my thought was to create this now, and make it available for future refinement, based on what editors might think might be useful, for a navbox like this that is specifically for authors, in this format. any chance this might be useful, at all? Sm8900 ( talk) 15:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The main problem I have with the style of this and similar s-x templates is that they are require editing the same information in each and very article they are used and their "transclusions" can't be tracked. With navboxes you just create it once then transclude it on all pages. You also get access to tools like Template:Check completeness of transclusions which can help track transclusions. In one of the nominations above, Template:Patrick O'Brian provides the same information in a much more editor friendly format. Gonnym ( talk) 20:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unless any clear way of differentiating this from the existing template is provided - none have been. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Attert Line

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Audio-ar

Propose merging all of the above together into a Template:Audio-xx ( Template:Audio-lang exists and seems to do this a bit differently).
All of these templates are the exact same other than the language link and tag. Before we end up with 100s of these similar templates, it would be better and much easier for maintenance if these are merged into one single template that accepts a language code and produces a link. This can be done with {{ ISO 639 name link|ar}}. Gonnym ( talk) 07:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Replace with {{lang-xx|{{audio|...|...}}}} and delete. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation, IPA is the primary and recommended way of documenting pronunciation, so ideally this construction should not be used at all. Creating a new template may facilitate this nonstandard practice, so just destructure them. Nardog ( talk) 06:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Nardog Since this is your area of expertise, I'll follow you here. Your proposed replacement is very similar to Template:Audio-lang. Do they do different thigns? Gonnym ( talk) 17:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That template doesn't prefix the audio with the language name, so that is one difference. But it might be a good idea to replace that template too given the scarce usage. Nardog ( talk) 22:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Article card vertical

Unused portal related template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Arrow (rail service)/detailed

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 07:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Armadale-Thornlie Line

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 07:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2012 Under-21 Provincial Championship Division B Table

Unused after being subst into article here. Gonnym ( talk) 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2012 Under-19 Provincial Championship Division B Table

Unused after being subst into article here. Gonnym ( talk) 07:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Chinese conflicts

Excessively long, poorly organizaed, and unnecessary; these articles are included in per-dynasty navboxes about conflicts. Walsh90210 ( talk) 00:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment I agree - trying to summarise thousands of years of Chinese military history into a single infobox isn't at all workable. I'd suggest that this be split into separate infoboxes or deleted as it's not very useful in its current form. Nick-D ( talk) 02:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Dag

Propose merging Template:Dag with Template:Dagger.
I'm going slightly more "discussion" with this TFD than anything, primarily thinking that {{ dag}} should either be merged into {{ dagger}} or renamed to make it more obvious as to why it's being used (though expanding the name might then make it longer than just typing out the <sup>...</sup> pair...). As it stands, {{ dag}} by itself is potentially confusing (e.g. "what is a dag", or why it gives a superscript output) so I feel like something needs to be done. Primefac ( talk) 14:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I find it strange that we still use archaic print notations instead of hyperlinked notes. How are either of those better than a regular {{ efn}} note? Gonnym ( talk) 15:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Primefac: The preferred option is to redirect {{ dag}} to {{ dagger}}. Given its minimal use, merging simplifies matters. However, if retaining the functionality is crucial, renaming {{ dag}} to "superscript-dagger" or "dagger-sup" would clarify its purpose, albeit making it longer. Anoop Bhatia ( talk) 02:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
As far as I can tell, it's basically only used as part of {{ TAAR ligands}}. Do we need a template for this at all? Caeciliusinhorto-public ( talk) 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Primefac: If choose to merge and retain functionality
{{#if: {{{s|}}} | <sup>†</sup> | † }}

{{dag}} will output †
{{dag|s}} will output <sup>†</sup>
Anoop Bhatia ( talk) 13:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 00:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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June 5

Template:Rht

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. May have been superseded during the slow transition to Module:Adjacent stations. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. Our naming conventions have discouraged "railway halt" in favor of "station" or "railway station" in the article title. I think the exception is Thailand. Mackensen (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Sailboatdata

No transclusions of this external link template. No incoming links. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Subgenus-row

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2012. Fnord. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. Gonnym ( talk) 06:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Strada Statale

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2007. If it was ever used, it may have been replaced by {{ Infobox road/shield/ITA}}, which is used in {{ infobox road}}. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Symgenava

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in 2011. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:TBS title

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:TBU

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in March 2023. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I added transclusions and incoming links as well as description. Flipping Switches ( talk) 01:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Table colors

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2008. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Tango smiley

No transclusions. Created in September 2023. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete. There are other emoji related templates. On a side note, this one was created by a user who joined to create this and some random shortcuts, renamed their username, blanked their page and seemingly quit. Very odd editing pattern. Gonnym ( talk) 10:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Template title

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2011. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Seems to be used in Template:Cfd notice and Template:Rfc notice. That said, I don't really understand why this needs a template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Timebar

No transclusions. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Txa

No transclusions. Created in 2012. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:1998–99 SEC women's basketball standings

Unused women's college basketball standings templates. The articles these were probably used on were deleted in March ( 1998–99 Southeastern Conference women's basketball season, etc.). Gonnym ( talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:UK Television

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions that explain the reason for its creation. Created in January 2024. {{ Media in the United Kingdom}} appears to do the job fine. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete even if it were used. Sidebars take way too much of screen real-estate and these topics usually already have an infobox in that place, needlessly making the top of the screen crowded. Gonnym ( talk) 19:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, delete it trainrobber >be me 19:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Unicase

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in October 2023. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete: As the creator as I was getting started editing, there's little use for it. Remsense 诉 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Usurpation denied

Redundant to {{CUU|refused=yes}}. No transclusions or substitutions. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:World's Strongest Man Contestbox

No transclusions. Created in 2010. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:SAGU Lions football coach navbox

Navbox has only three blue links and only transcluded onto three articles, does not warrant existence of this navigation template. No prejudice against recreation once enough articles have been created related to this topic. Eagles  24/7  (C) 14:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Reinhardt Eagles football coach navbox

Navbox has only three blue links and only transcluded onto three articles, does not warrant existence of this navigation template. No prejudice against recreation once enough articles have been created related to this topic. Eagles  24/7  (C) 14:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Montana State–Northern Lights football coach navbox

Navbox only transcluded onto three articles, does not warrant existence of this navigation template. No prejudice against recreation once enough articles have been created related to this topic. Eagles  24/7  (C) 14:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Module:AndOr

Unused module. Gonnym ( talk) 10:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete --- unused, and I forget why I made this. I copied it over to Sandbox: an admin can delete both the module and the template. — hike395 ( talk) 21:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Amtrak Lake Shore

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 10:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Amtrak Black Hawk (new route)

Unused route map. Gonnym ( talk) 10:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Amol County Detailed Labelled Map

Unused Iranian map. Gonnym ( talk) 10:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:AZBilliards

Unused citation template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Hmm. If this is unused, it's only because someone substituted all the uses of it. AZBilliards is one of our most frequently cited pool news sources. It may be that we don't need a template for it, if no one's going to use it henceforth, but this used to be used (I know, since I was using it) and I'm not certain this wasn't just mass-subst'd by someone a while back without any discussion (e.g. at WT:CUE).  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That sounds like a very likely scenario. Part of the reason behind this cleanup is to inform template creator's (and other interested parties) that a template that might have been used was removed. Let me know if you plan on reusing it so I'll withdraw my nomination. Gonnym ( talk) 11:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I used it quite a bit, I usually substitute it though. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I also use it, and don't subst it, but if people would rather it be subst'd, we can add that "should be substituted" notice to its documentation. Since it's in active use by at least two editors, I'm going with keep.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per above. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:ATP Challenger Tour Entry Ranking Points Distribution 2009

Unused table. ATP Challenger Tour#Prize money and ranking points uses a different table. Gonnym ( talk) 10:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:ACMA licence

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:ACBLWinners

Unused external link template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:4 Line (Sound Transit)

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2024–25 RFU Championship Table

Unused as the table was subst into article. Gonnym ( talk) 10:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2024 College Football Playoff

Unused as the bracket is used directly in 2023–24 College Football Playoff. Gonnym ( talk) 10:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Perhaps I'm not understanding the template usage / deletion discussion, but template is also shown at 2023–24_NCAA_football_bowl_games#College_Football_Playoff_bowl_games. PK-WIKI ( talk) 20:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2024-25 Ligue 1 table

Unused as Template:2024–25 Ligue 1 table is the one used. Gonnym ( talk) 10:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2023 NAIA independents football records

An unused empty table template. Gonnym ( talk) 10:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nomination. I made this when the North American Stallions football team was still believed to be competing as independents, but information came out midway through the 2023 season that they had actually joined a conference, so it's no longer necessary. Finchwidget ( talk) 04:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:FratChapter3

Unused fraternity templates. See also Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024 May 25#FratChapter2 template set deletion. Gonnym ( talk) 09:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Module:TAFI article

Unused module. Gonnym ( talk) 08:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Module:MolarMass

Unused module. Gonnym ( talk) 08:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:XColor

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2006. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

It was one of the first templates to do that mapping, created in 2006 and fully documented at that time (and the best way). Further templates are more poorly documented, sometimes incomplete. It has been used a lot, but visibly bots have replaced its uses by other templates. If there are no incoming links, it's because it was designed to be "substed". Other templates do not offer that. The reason of its existence was the fact that many browsers at that time did not recognize all X11/CSS3 color names (and there are still some browsers implementing them incoherently). It was made as a simple helper to convert pages and may still be usefu; notably with subst.
Note: NEVER not post notices inside the code transcluded by the template: such notices should be inside the "noinclude" section, without introducing any newlines in the transcluded part. I move your notice to the existing noinclude section. When a template has a do page, you should place it in that doc page instead of modifying the template code! The way you did it broke the template (and all its examples shown on the doc page!). Be careful. verdy_p ( talk) 05:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
If you have an issue with how notices are placed, bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion and WP:Twinkle. Placing the template in a noinclude tag prevents the notice from appearing on transcluding pages, which it's designed to be. Gonnym ( talk) 08:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Verdy p, I used Twinkle to place the notice. If there are other templates that do the same thing as this one but worse, please link to them here so that they can be merged. As for the template being substed, if it is intended as a subst-only template, it should be labeled as such using {{ subst only}}. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Twinkle is wrong here. It cannot arbitrarily place contents in templates (because it beraks the templates). This MUST be done inside their "noinclude" section (usually where the documentation template is inserted), or inside its /doc subpage if there's one; if there's none, a "noinclude" section must be created to place the banner, without adding any newline before or after it (because it also breaks these templates that would transclude this newline, especially here where the template is intended to be used only inline, but as well when these are block templates, to avoid introducing paragraphs, or breaking lists). Don't trust "easy" tools that make things incorrectly, you are still responsible of your edits, even when using such tools, and fix it instantly before applying/saving your changes.
Placing such banner in a "noinclude" section of templates is the appropriate thing; it does not hide the template, the notice is present (and still tracked appropriately in tracking categories). There's no reason to also "spam" the banner everywhere the template may be used, possibly many times (making things worse on pages using it, if the template is substituted as it was documented). There's absoluetly no need to transcude even tracking category in those pages, tracking the template page only is always sufficient: pages referencing such templates are listed by Mediawiki itself (Special:WhatLinksHere in the sidebar).
Also note that this template was designed in 2006, and other labeling templates in its doc page were not existing at that time. And the existing doc was clearly showing that "subst" was fully supported (without being necessarily required: this is not a "subst-only" template, used for example in talk pages for their historic archiving), so such labelling is superfluous. verdy_p ( talk) 15:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Instead of waging this one-man wall of text war on this page where no one sees it, you could bring up your points in one of the other venues I listed. And yes, placing a notification inside noinclude tags hides it on every place a template is used. Regarding the inline comment, there is an option in the template that doesn't break these templates, but when a template is unused, this really doesn't matter. Gonnym ( talk) 17:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Unused. Wikipedia is not a repository of ancient code. And I remember engaging in this very same conflict with Verdy p over whether to noinclude TfD tags way back when I first joined in 2016. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply


June 4

Template:Casablanca Tramway RDT

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 08:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now in use. Thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Explicit can be kept as it's found a home. Gonnym ( talk) 08:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Comparison of Mercator projections.svg

Unused simple image in a template. Even if it were used, it does not need to be in a template. Gonnym ( talk) 11:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Before deleting it, please see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Comparison_of_cylindrical_projections.svg . Thanks, cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 12:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Cmglee you've linked to a discussion of a file on commons. That isn't related to this. The file over there isn't being nominated for deletion. Gonnym ( talk) 16:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Sorry, my reply could have been clearer. This is the situation:
  1. Template:Comparison of Mercator projections.svg was originally used on the articles Mercator projection, Transverse Mercator projection and Oblique Mercator projection – having it as a template rather than separate thumbnails makes the caption consistent on all the articles: updating it updates all transclusions.
  2. @ Justinkunimune: uploaded File:Comparison_of_cylindrical_projections.svg with the text labels changed and put them in the articles causing the template to no longer be used anywhere.
  3. In the talk page, I question whether the new SVG is better than the old, as the new labels are less descriptive.
  4. I thus request that the template be kept until the issue is settled.
Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆ τaʟκ 21:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep per User:cmglee. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC). reply
  • Delete per nomination. A file does not need to be transcluded or used through template space. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Deadzone settings table

looks like a failed editing test Frietjes ( talk) 23:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Guyana Detailed Map

No transclusions. Broken template and module created in December 2023. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 18:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Support
This was created at a time of high tensions between venezuela and guyana Lukt64 ( talk) 18:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Southland Tales

All but one are redirects to the same article. -- wooden superman 15:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Serbia national football team matches

Unnecessary and redundant navbox. Only one link, which is already inside the main navbox. KingSkyLord ( talk | contribs) 15:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Yes. It should be noted that this is part of the story of conflating Serbian team history with Yugoslav team history. Over the years, there's been a trickle of apparently overzealous football fan edits to mash it all together. In my last iteration of editing these, I did a compromise to at least delineate them nicely; I see you just disentangled them completely now, which is probably just as valid. It doesn't seem likely that an average English reader would be surprised to see this, rather it's the other way around. -- Joy ( talk) 07:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 18:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - one blue link, simply not needed. Giant Snowman 18:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nomination. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 18:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2019 Nottinghamshire parish elections

Unused navigation template with only red links. Gonnym ( talk) 08:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:2021 Canadian federal election/Oakville North—Burlington

Unused election template with incorrect data as it duplicates Template:2015 Canadian federal election/Oakville North—Burlington. Gonnym ( talk) 08:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Raven Lord

Unused as Raven Lord was deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 07:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Transilien/font colour

Unused rail color templates. Module:Adjacent stations/Transilien should be used instead. Gonnym ( talk) 07:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Australian Roads/Sort

Unused after this edit. Gonnym ( talk) 07:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Indian caste system/article todolist

Unused after this edit. Gonnym ( talk) 07:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:WikiProject Indian roads/taskforce

Unused after this edit. Gonnym ( talk) 07:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox Scheduled Language of India

Unused infobox. Gonnym ( talk) 07:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox Civil Air Patrol Region

Unused infobox. Gonnym ( talk) 07:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox London Tramlink route

Unused infobox. Was unused in 2015 and kept and 9 years later still unused. Gonnym ( talk) 07:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox takraw tournament

Unused infobox. Gonnym ( talk) 07:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Infobox WEC race

Unused infobox. Gonnym ( talk) 07:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

WEC races articles haven't a infobox. We have to navigate through the article to find the key information that you would expect to find in a infobox. This template was created last year, but don't know why, was never implemented. So in one way we have a need, and on the other we have the solution, only hasn't been used. If the community agree, I'll start adding this template to WEC races articles already existing. However I need to make a few adjustments before in order to fit all the categories renominations through out the years. So I would purpose to suspend this deletion let's say for a month, and after that period if I or anyone else didn't used this template in a fair amount of articles, it could be nominated again for deletion. Rpo.castro ( talk) 17:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Rpo.castro can't those articles use Template:Infobox motor race? Gonnym ( talk) 08:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Gonnym Currently the Template:Infobox motor race is used in the article that covers all the races held under same designation, like in 24 Hours of Le Mans. The Template:Infobox WEC race is to be used in the article of every single edition like 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans (we have articles for each race of each season of WEC). It could be, if changes were made to Infobox motor race to include optional parameters such as winners and poles for differents categories, but I think it would make it confuse. I think having a template for the main article and one for races is a cleaner option. Rpo.castro ( talk) 09:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ah, I see now. So this is for the individual race and the motor race is for the topic. Would seem that currently creating new infoboxes for races is the standard ( Category:Motor race report infobox templates) so if you plan to use it, I'll withdraw the nomination. Gonnym ( talk) 12:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, that's right. I would appreciate you withdraw the nomination and I will use it for the purpose it was created. Rpo.castro ( talk) 14:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Magnet

Unused text mangling template that should not be used on this Wiki in any form. Gonnym ( talk) 06:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:LaSalle Street Station

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:L Line (Los Angeles Metro)/detailed

Unused route template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/Wakanda (software)

Unused software release version template. Wakanda (software) was deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 06:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/qBittorrent

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/foobar2000

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/Windows Package Manager

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/Windows Media Player

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/MuseScore

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest preview software release/Android Studio

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/Piwigo

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/MediaGoblin

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/Gallery Project

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/qwebirc

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/Wakanda (software)

Unused software release version template. Wakanda (software) deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 06:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/Second Life Viewer

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This was used, it got removed for some reason? Lemme check the edit history. — Félix Wolf ( talk | contribs) 14:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok so it looks like the reason this became unused was because of this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Second_Life&diff=prev&oldid=1219059535
Not entirely sure about the change? It's a technicality issue here because there are two infoboxes there, one is referring to the Viewer software (client) and the simulator software (server). Most people would probably just call the viewer "Second Life" anyway, so I'm fine with it either way, but that might be something that needs to be discussed on the talk page.
Either way, for now, the infobox name field was changed from "Second Life Viewer" to "Second Life". I'd like to move Template:Latest stable software release/Second Life Viewer to Template:Latest stable software release/Second Life instead of having it deleted if that is alright with you. — Félix Wolf ( talk | contribs) 14:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Sure np. If you return it to use, I'll withdraw my nomination. Gonnym ( talk) 15:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I've reverted the edit that caused the orphaning of the sub-template from the infobox and opened a discussion on the wiki page that references it here Talk:Second Life#Second Life vs Second Life Viewer. — Félix Wolf ( talk | contribs) 20:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/MuseScore

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/LimeChat

Unused software release version template. Gonnym ( talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/HydraIRC

Unused software release version template. HydraIRC deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Latest stable software release/EMCO MSI Package Builder

Unused software release version template. EMCO MSI Package Builder deleted. Gonnym ( talk) 06:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Old discussions

May 31

Template:NavigationFinnishChampionsFigureSkatingPairs

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Totally gross sea of redlinks; ergo, an unhelpful template. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: This has 7 blue links so it can be useful. Just remove all red links. Or this can be merged without red links to Template:Finnish Figure Skating Championships as it duplicates the event years already anyways. Gonnym ( talk) 12:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I left the other three discipline templates (men, women, ice dance) alone, because those were predominately blue links. There is little chance that the red links on this template will ever be developed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 30

Template:Cite Grove 2001

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This template, created in 2018, and used in two articles, appears to be redundant to {{ Cite NewGrove2001}}, created in 2006 and used in 87 articles. The 2018 template should be merged into the 2006 template. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 06:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Replace transclusions with Template:Cite NewGrove2001 and delete. Unclear what needs to be merged. Gonnym ( talk) 09:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The main difference is that {{ Cite Grove 2001}} uses Module:Template wrapper (was the use case for which it was created, in fact) so that aliases, defaults, etc. work whereas {{ Cite NewGrove2001}} just calls {{ cite encyclopedia}} directly. In fact, for that reason, I propose we merge in the opposite direction; cf. this discussion. They're tagged as beta, but that's mainly because Module:Template wrapper was new at the time (it now has 630k transclusions), so mostly the parallell templates are because I got distracted and dropped the ball. In any case we should consolidate and use a consistent implementation for all the Grove-related templates. Xover ( talk) 13:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks for adding that information. Sounds good. Gonnym ( talk) 17:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Reverse replace {{ Cite NewGrove2001}} with this template instead per Xover. Folly Mox ( talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 29

Template:Pedagogy sidebar

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Unused sidebar. Gonnym ( talk) 08:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Then you can add it to other articles. Your nominations of late are nominating good useful templates without thinking they should be added to articles before going to Tfd. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't add templates to articles just because someone created a template with a link to it. If I feel it has no merit I send it here. If you want me to amend my nomination I will. Gonnym ( talk) 16:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac ( talk) 12:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Amending nomination: A navigation template that was created 11 years ago and until now was unused and now is used on a single article. Navigation templates aren't helpful if they aren't used on the entire set. This seems like this template is apparently unwanted as it would have been used by now. Gonnym ( talk) 16:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
It was only removed from the main article on May 17. It was added in February. Only one edit removed it of late. This doesn't make it unwarranted and being used on one article doesn't make it a valid reason to delete. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Actually it does. This template is a navigation template, if isn't used anywhere, then there is no bi-directional navigation and it becomes pointless. If the other articles don't need it, then it just isn't useful. Gonnym ( talk) 09:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Arusha Rural District

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Propose merging Template:Arusha Rural District with Template:Arusha District.
{{ Arusha Rural District}} is fuller. Template:Arusha District should be turned into a disambiguation because {{ Arusha Urban District}} exists as well. Aldij ( talk) 14:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Template:Arusha District shouldn't be turned into a disambiguation page and the Rural District main link links to the same article as the main district template. And on top of that, we have Template:Districts of Arusha which features all the same links on the main Arusha navbox, Template:Arusha. This may be a case of merging everything to one template, having sections for all these links, and deleting the rest of the navboxes. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno ( talk) 17:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 00:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge per nom. Dab can be created to disambiguate between the 3 remaining templates. Gonnym ( talk) 09:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 28

Template:Kennedy family tree

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Transclused in only one user's sandbox but used incorrectly as a link in see also sections. Templates are not articles and should not be linked to but transcluded. Either replace the see also link with a direct transclusion or remove the links and delete the template as unwanted. Gonnym ( talk) 12:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per nomination. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Move to Article Namespace. In the alternative: Transclude or Subst and Delete. -- Dynam1te3 ( talk) 14:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Why do you suggest moving it to articlespace? It's not an article, and Kennedy family already exists. jlwoodwa ( talk) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because this is linked to like it is an article and not transcluded. Either it should be transcluded on pages or added directly to Kennedy family where the links can point to. Gonnym ( talk) 12:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 25

Template:Sawankhalok Line

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Redundant with Template:State Railway of Thailand Railway Stations. Jonashtand ( talk) 17:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep The State Railway navbox is extremely large and should be trimmed down. It's very hard to see where Sawankhalok line is and perhaps each line/section of railway stations should have their own navbox if they have enough minimum of links for navigation. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno ( talk) 20:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. While I agree that there are not enough links to warrant a navbox, one more link would have been enough so it's on the verge. However, my bigger issue is that Template:State Railway of Thailand Railway Stations is just horribly unhelpful. I would never even try and search for a link there. I'd clean it up and if it's still that large, split into lines. Gonnym ( talk) 12:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 22

Template:Edit semi-protected

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Propose merging Template:Edit semi-protected with Template:Request edit.

As I have (surprisingly) recently discovered, this entire family of templates auto-detects the protection level of the template for which the edit request is being made. This means that an {{ FPER}} placed on a template-protected template will result in exactly the same thing as a {{ TPER}}. Because of this, it seems to me that there is little reason to keep these all as separate templates, instead using the more obvious and reasonably-named {{ request edit}} as the base template for this family (instead of the latter template being used as a dab for all five). Primefac ( talk) 15:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I have struck {{ request edit}} since most of the participants feel it's not well-suited for the final target. Primefac ( talk) 13:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Merge the first five together but keep {{ request edit}} as is since COI edit requests are, and need to be, a separate process (a page someone has a COI with can also be protected). * Pppery * it has begun... 16:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Perhaps a parameter such as COI=yes or type=COI could be used to flag the type of edit request that is being made, which would allow all six templates to be merged into Template:Request edit. That would still keep them a separate process. Adam Black t • c 16:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Is there any reason to do that, though? It seems to just make things more complicated for everyone. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't see how it complicates things, it streamlines the process of requesting an edit. Btw, {{ request edit}} has been deprecated, so you're already meant to use a different template - {{ edit COI}}. Adam Black t • c 22:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( edit conflict)Request edit used to be for COI, and it's a generic name that could refer to it or edit partially-blocked as well. Snowmanonahoe ( talk · contribs · typos) 16:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support Merge (Non-Admin vote) Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 16:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Being an admin doesn't mean very much here--there's no need to point out you aren't one. Snowmanonahoe ( talk · contribs · typos) 17:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge the first five and keep {{ Request edit}} as a disambiguation per Pppery. I was also rather surprised and amused to find out that the edit request templates automatically emulate each other based on the page's protection level. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 18:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    As no one has suggested a title for the proposed merged template, perhaps {{ Edit protected}}? — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 18:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Should probably have "request" in its name. Gonnym ( talk) 19:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Then maybe {{ Protected edit request}} to match the Module it invokes, though I should note that the possibly enticing shortcut {{ PER}} is already a template for the Peruvian flag. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 20:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge first five unless there is some yet-to-be-discovered reason to have them separate. Gonnym ( talk) 19:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • {{ request edit}} needs a new name, since that's not what it does. Other than that, I see no issue with merging the others. Izno ( talk) 21:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment [Edit: Oppose]: These do not behave identically when the edit request is to an unprotected page. For example, you could use {{ Edit extended-protected}} for an article that is within an WP:ARBECR topic area but which has not presently been protected. (If the page is protected, you have to use |force= to force a different protection level the default protection level specified by the wrapper.) SilverLocust  💬 23:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Need to make sure the force stuff isn't broken, it is needed sometimes. — xaosflux Talk 15:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because I don't think it's possible to merge these without breaking current functionality (as I explain below), I am changing my comment to an "oppose". (I don't oppose creating a sixth template with no default level that instead would say when the protection level could not be detected, but I oppose redirecting or deleting the five templates proposed for merging.) SilverLocust  💬 20:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment this template set is missing a template for requesting edits that are editfiltered, so autodetection doesn't help, when you need extra rights due to an edit filter instead of page protection. If these are merged, will a switch be available to select a rights level for that situation? -- 65.92.244.237 ( talk) 02:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Except the last, they're all wrappers for Module:Protected edit request with slightly different arguments, so in that sense they're already merged. But we should probably keep the slightly different behavior in that {{ Edit fully-protected}} should default to fully-protected if the auto-detection fails, {{ Edit semi-protected}} to semi-protected, and so on rather than turning them all into redirects to a single wrapper. {{ Request edit}} should probably have no default, if that's reasonable. Anomie ⚔ 12:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak merge, now that the last has been struck, keep different behavior defaults if feasible per Anomie. I also agree that with everything already under one-module it really doesn't make that much of a difference. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:4CF1:7456:BBC:F8B5 ( talk) 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support merge - I do like Anomie's point about the default action Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos 01:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Conditional oppose merge per Anomie. These separate 'templates' are just wrappers for that edit request module really, so not any duplicated template code to worry about. Let's not possibly cause unintended behaviour for a template that's used at least hundreds of times everyday, especially with the auto-detect failover. There are other potential complications like what 65.92.244.237 has written above. Though, consider this vote invalidated if it's possible to merge all of these templates together without changing the behaviour and functionality of these templates. —  AP 499D25 (talk) 05:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Conditional support creating a template with auto-detection, as long as the existing templates are kept per SilverLocust and Anomie. Rusty4321  talk  contribs 14:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support, but the target should maybe be {{ Protected edit request}}. {{ Request edit}} may be the destination or redirect to a different merge target, since hatnotes can direct users to more appropriate templates. SWinxy ( talk) 23:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support the currently-proposed merge of the first five. Agree the final template name should be something like {{ Protected edit request}}. Elli ( talk | contribs) 13:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. WP:ECR doesn't always get applied using WP:ECP. Therefore, using {{ Edit extended-protected}} on a page that is not extended confirmed protected makes sense. The autodetection will not be able to handle that case. Add that to the other edge cases described above by other editors and it's clear that this merge will create more problems than in will solve. Nickps ( talk) 16:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Obviously I don't oppose a merge if the current default behavior is retained. Nickps ( talk) 16:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Unless I am mistaken {{ EPER}} doesn't currently recognize non-ECP pages that also happen to be under ARBECR. If I am mistaken, then yes, the post-merge template will be able to handle it because no functionality is being lost (just renamed). Primefac ( talk) 16:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Well, I'm going by what Anomie said. If the auto-detection fails, {{ EPER}} defaults to ECP. So, while it doesn't recognise that the page is under ARBECR, it still handles the situation correctly. I also just noticed that SilverLocust has already raised this issue. Nickps ( talk) 16:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    There would be a loss in current functionality, Primefac. For example, {{Edit extended-protected|force=yes}} would no longer work.
    Each of the five wrapper templates proposed for merging has a default level. E.g., {{ Edit extended-protected}} is {{#invoke:protected edit request|extended}} (where the default there is extended). If the page to be edited is unprotected or if |force=yes is used, then that default level is used. If these were all redirected to one template, then there would be a loss of functionality unless someone knows how to tell a module not merely which wrapper is invoking a module (since there would only be one merged wrapper), but rather which redirect is being used to transclude the wrapper that invokes the module (and I don't think that is possible). If no default is provided when invoking the module, then it presently breaks with the error message Lua error in Module:Protected_edit_request/active at line 299: attempt to concatenate local 'boxProtectionLevel' (a nil value). when the page is unprotected or |force=yes is used. SilverLocust  💬 20:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ SilverLocust The module could use getContent() to get the text of the current page and then search it for one of the redirect templates. -- Ahecht ( TALK
    PAGE    )     02:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That would potentially break when viewing old revisions/permalinks, and probably need to take into account possibilities like multiple requests on a page (compare Module:Is infobox in lead's difficulty of handling multiple infoboxes). I prefer not to have templates behave differently when viewing permalinks/old revisions of a page. (Ahecht also replied at Village pump (technical), where Nickps asked whether this is possible. PrimeHunter replied expressing opposition to the suggestion.) SilverLocust  💬 04:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The simple solution for new uses is to transition from |force=yes to specifying the level to force, eg. |force=extended. I agree there's no straightforward solution for existing uses, so we should just leave the existing templates as is, but stop advertising them in preloads and documentation pages. – SD0001 ( talk) 06:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Why exactly would something like {{Request edit|force=semiprotected}} be better than {{Edit semi-protected|force=yes}}? Other than to satisfy a misguided desire for {{ Edit semi-protected}} to be a redirect rather than the wrapper it is now? Anomie ⚔ 11:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC) reply

May 14

Template:Water polo men's national under-19 team

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. Izno ( talk) 06:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

There are no under-19 team articles, nor do I suspect there will be any created in the near future (yes, it's a bit of CRYSTAL, but water polo isn't exactly a hugely popular sport). Thus, I see little to no reason to have these templates purely for the purposes of creating redlinks. Primefac ( talk) 14:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I created the 2024 Men's European U-19 Water Polo Championship, 2024 Women's European U-19 Water Polo Championship and 2024 Men's European U-19 Water Polo Championship Qualifiers articles that use the templates and will be used even more when both tournaments start. Thus ,they will obviously be used in the future and the men's U-19 template has been extensively used in the 2024 Men's European U-19 Water Polo Championship Qualifiers page. Get your facts right before you nominate stuff for deletion. ILoveSport2006 ( talk) 17:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
ILoveSport2006, you have misunderstood my nomination;   Hungary does not exist. Nor does any page for any country at the U19 level. Since this is unlikely to change in the near future, there is no reason to have custom linking templates for them. Primefac ( talk) 19:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Alright I did misunderstand, what's the alternative? Having to write Hungary men's national under-19 water polo team every single time for each country when needed and adding a flag icon every time. The main benefit of this template and templates like it is the convenience. Also, these templates plus the European U-19 Championship articles will increase the chances of a potential article for a national team being created. There was no reason for the templates in the past because no articles were created for the U-19 age group in water polo, but now that I started the articles and have the ambition to create more articles for the U-19 World Championships and future European Championships in the age group, there will be more of a need for these templates in the future. ILoveSport2006 ( talk) 21:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
No, you would just write {{flag|Hungary}} →   Hungary because the point is to give a flag and a country name, not necessarily a redlink. I also am not saying that these templates can never be created or used, but currently there is zero point in having them. If you really want to link to the national team (which many I suspect will have an "Under-X" section) use the main {{ wp}} or {{ wpw}} templates. Primefac ( talk) 12:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nomination. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Keep There's a place for these templates like I said before.
    ILoveSport2006 ( talk) 14:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Also, most water polo national team wiki pages only talk about youth teams at a passing glance and use the same sentence. Nothing substantial. So the I suspect they include a "Under-X" section argument is wrong. Only the pages of Spain's men and women, plus Croatia's men, address the youth teams in any significant form. ILoveSport2006 ( talk) 14:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. No point in having a custom template to add a redlink. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • delete per above, without linking articles, this is not helpful. Frietjes ( talk) 17:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. There are no articles to link to. If and when these are created, these can also be recreated. Gonnym ( talk) 11:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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