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New Parliament House, New Delhi→Parliament House, New Delhi(
move·discuss) – The new complex of Parliament House has been in use for more than a year already, and "New Parliament House" is not used in any official contexts. The last request to move on the talk page was supported but somehow closed. For example, Australia (a fellow Commonwealth member with a similar parliamentary system) also replaced its Parliament House in 1988. The new article is called Parliament House, Canberra, and not "New Parliament House, Canberra" Please rename.
KabirDH (
talk)
20:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I was simply looking through the references in the article and checking which name pops up more in sources at a glance. I'm not making a statement about which title would be more appropriate, just that a full discussion may be beneficial to establish a
consensus on the topic. —
TechnoSquirrel69 (
sigh)
16:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Tsc9i8 Sources use both names so this is not necessarily uncontroversial. There is also a semi-notable "Canada Permanent Building" in Edmonton which complicates things. CFA💬18:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Given this was the company's head office, I would give it the title, and disambiguate any future "Canada Permanent Building" pages for offices in other cities. In any case, Canada Permanent Trust was a subsidiary of the larger parent company, the Canada Permanent Mortgage Corporation. This building was the head office of both companies, hence why it is called "Canada Permanent" without the added "Trust" or "Mortgage."
Tsc9i8 (
talk)
12:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Currently, only Tapology has him listed incorrectly as "Da Un Jung". I think this page should be renamed to reflect the actual spelling of his name and as per all sources and references referring to him as Da Woon Jung.
Marty2Hotty (
talk)
17:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Fimbulvetr → Fimbulwinter – More common name in English, i get 73% more results in Google than the Old Norse name (142k vs 246k), also in line with other Wikipedia languages whom have the name translated to the indigenous language.
Blockhaj (
talk)
14:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Gotjawal Forest → Gotjawal – See above talk post. "Gotjawal Forest" suggests that there's a single forest with this title on the island. This is not true; there are a
number of gotjawal forests that each have their own names. I just rewrote the entire article to make clear that this is a generic term encompassing multiple forests, and not a title for a single forest.
211.43.120.242 (
talk)
13:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nushki District →
Noshki District – There seem to be conflicting sources on the name of the district; some sources will use Noshki, renamed from Noshkay, while others will use Nushki. Noshki, from what I can find, seems to be both the more common among reliable sources, and also the correct name. If consensus can be found to move this page, I'll also be renaming related pages
Nushki and
Nushki shooting, as they'd be renamed for the same reason.
SmittenGalaxy|talk!06:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Battle of Geneina → Geneina massacre – Referring to the page as the Battle of Geneina made sense when it was first created, but the June massacres and new details and reports revealing the amount of the destruction and killings shows that this was moreso a coordinated campaign of massacres and attacks by the RSF and allied militias against the Masalit people in Geneina, with just about every source highlighting the genocidal massacres and atrocities over the clashes.
Jebiguess (
talk) 03:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 06:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
03:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Very Nice → Very Nice (disambiguation) – Maybe an eager move, but there is only one article within the current mainspace. There are no mentions to "Very Nice" in Borat's article, the only Dermansky novel with an article is a stub, and only one album under the record label has an article, plus the label would likely be "Very Nice Records" if it had an article. Not to say these other things wont eventually be notable, but in the meantime I would say the song is
WP:PRIMARYTOPICOrangesclub (
talk) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 06:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
03:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hurricane Alley → Main Development Region – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. On Google Scholar, "Main Development Region" yields over 1,600 results
[6] and "MDR hurricane" yields over 4,500 reults;
[7] "Hurricane Alley" yields over 500 results,
[8], with many not even pertaining to Atlantic hurricanes. Google trends is less clear, "Hurricane Alley" wins over "Main Development Region", but "MDR" bests both by far; "MDR" however can refer to many things. Nevertheless, that "MDR" or "Main Development Region" is overwhelmingly preferred in literature, NHC products, and our own articles—35 items link to
Main Development Region, whilst only 5 link to
Hurricane Alley excluding redirects and non-mainspace pages—leads me to believe this article should be moved accordingly.
ArkHyena (
talk)
01:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tonlé Sap → Tonlé Sap Lake – The original name before renamed after the discussion
Talk:Tonlé_Sap#Rename above, due to possible confusion with the river that connect the lake and Mekong. The name "Tonlé Sap Lake" is NOT redundant at all. In that discussion user Markalexander100 stated that "Khmer and English terms aren't quite equivalent. In Khmer, as far as I can tell, there is one name- Tonle Sap- which refers to the lake and river together, while in English we differentiate them." This is not quite right because the official name of the lake in Khmer is "បឹងទន្លេសាប" (Boeng Tonle Sap), where បឹង/boeng means lake. So clearly they still have the word "lake" in the name, to differentiate it from the river. ទន្លេ/Tonle means river and that's its only meaning, not "Tonlé already means lake (or a very large, wide river)" as stated by user Dara above. For example,
Mekong is "Tonlé Mekong",
Bassac River is "Tonlé Bassac",
Kong River is "Tonlé Kong". There's no known translation as Tonlé to "lake". Another similarly named geographic feature is the
Boeng Tonle Chhmar (a smaller lake next to the Tonle Sap Lake). So to sum up, if we say "Tonle Sap" (without adding "Boeng") to the Khmer-speaking people, theoretically we are referring to the river (according to the meaning of the words). But then since the lake is too well-known, the term "Tonle Sap" will become ambiguous. However, as a matter of fact, they should be able to tell which one you are referring to, based on the context of the conversation. My suggestion is to rename this article to
Tonlé Sap Lake, and have a separate article about the river. Two options for this separate article's name is: #
Tonlé Sap (as per its literal meaning in Khmer) or, #
Tonlé Sap (river) and
Tonlé Sap becomes the disambiguation page. The reason for having a separate article for the river is simply because not everything about the river can be merged into the lake's article. For example,
Phnom Penh, the state's capital, is located at the mouth of the river and there's probably something about the river related to Phnom Penh's urban planning that's worth writing about. And merging these into the lake's article would be inappropriate.
ទន្លេតូច (
talk)
23:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sikkimese language → Bhutia language – I propose renaming the article "Sikkimese language" to "Bhutia language." The current title "Sikkimese language" can be misleading, as it may imply that it refers to all languages spoken in Sikkim. The term "Bhutia language" is more precise and accurately reflects the language spoken by the Bhutia community in Sikkim. **Reasons for the proposed change:** 1. **Clarity:** The term "Bhutia language" specifically identifies the language spoken by the Bhutia people, avoiding confusion with other languages spoken in Sikkim. 2. **Common Usage:** The term "Bhutia language" is commonly used in linguistic and cultural references, whereas "Sikkimese language" can be ambiguous. I would appreciate the community's feedback on this proposed change. Thank you for your input.
Kkk1996 (
talk) 17:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄)
19:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Roman Palestine (period) → Roman Palestine – This page was originally created over the redirect that currently sits at the base name, but this move was contested, so I have recreated the page with a disambiguated title. Roman Palestine is a period term for the portion of the history of Palestine characterized by Roman rule, from the time of the vassalage of the region after the Romans intervened in local politics until the Arab conquest. There are some slight variations to this, with the
Britannica entry setting the start date as the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, but as other sources show
[9][10], 63 BC to 70 AD can also be characterized as "Early Roman Palestine". From the literature both on page and out there and discoverable, and not least the Britannica entry, it seems pretty clear that the period is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term. While the current redirect to
Syria Palaestina strikes upon perhaps the most obvious constituent subdivision of the Roman period, there was nothing less Roman about the earlier
Roman Judaea or the period of local dynastic vassalage still prior to this, or the Byzantine-era
Diocese of the East period afterwards. On the contrary, it would be highly unusual not to consider the earlier periods also part of the Roman Palestine period (and to laser focus in on Syria Palaestina). Works such as
Jesus and the Politics of Roman Palestine simply make no sense if you exclude Roman Judaea from the equation.
Iskandar323 (
talk)
18:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Oho Ou → Ou Hao – His name in Chinese characters is 欧豪 (Ōu Háo in pinyin). It's written in Latin script on posters, disc cases and distributors' pages for films he's acted in as Ou Hao. Some examples: *
[11] *
[12] *
[13] (in the billing block on the back) *
[14] (in the billing block on the back) *
[15] (in the billing block on the back). It's written in Latin script on the covers of
music releases and on
Apple Musicetc. as OHO, which is written as one word but sounds like both syllables of his full Chinese name. The current article title, "Oho Ou", is a weird, unofficial mash-up of the above two spellings that makes no sense because it contains the Ōu sound of his family name twice (as Oh- and then Ou), both before and after the Háo sound of his personal name (as -ho). Converting it back into Chinese characters would get you "欧豪欧" (Ōu Háo Ōu), which is clearly wrong. As he's now known more for acting than music, I propose making Ou Hao the article title and mentioning in the opening that he's also known mononymously as OHO.
Tempjrds (
talk) 00:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk)
16:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Covanta →
Reworld – Covanta was renamed to Reworld
back in April. Since then, most people have been using the new name. This is not a controversial move, but I'm using this tool to request a move on account of my COI - I work for the article-subject. I'd also like to suggest a redirect from Covanta to the new Reworld title, replacing "Covanta" with "Reworld" throughout, and adding a "(previously known as Covanta)" at the beginning.
NKR2009 (
talk)
16:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – David Johnston →
David Johnston (governor general) – Very common name (20+ entries at the
disambiguation page) and I don't think the GG is the primary topic.
On pageviews,
David A. Johnston is a clear number one, averaging more than double the views of the governor-general; given both are not "in the news" I think this trend is likely to persist. In addition, two others David Johnston (
the British politician and
the Australian admiral) have surpassed the governor-general on certain days within the past few months. In terms of historical significance, I don't see a strong argument for the GG's primacy either – while the office he held is significant, I'm not sure it's more significant than any of those held by the other David Johnstons, as evidenced by the lack of standalone biographies / academic works as per the source list in his article.
ITBF (
talk)
13:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Stray cow → Stray cattle in India – Contrary to the earlier discussion on this talk page, specifying "in India" seems like the correct level of
WP:PRECISION in this case, to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. As currently written this article is about the situation in India rather than the wider concept of stray cattle in general, and it seems enough of a standalone topic to remain so.
Belbury (
talk)
12:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jacob Mwiimbu →
Jack Mwiimbu – This minister is commonly known as Jack Mwiimbu here in Zambia and the first thing someone will search for is Jack and not Jacob. Therefore request is made that this is moved to the main space for Jack Mwiimbu. Submitted for review.
Revention24 (
talk)
11:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Intellivision Amico →
Amico (video game platform) – Due to recent developments and announcements, the Intellivision brand is no longer officially attached to the project, the company has announced its name change to Amico Entertainment and now it is not limited to a console but a series of products such as (currently) a mobile app with in-app purchases, a mandatory companion app and the upcoming/proposed controller and console, this name should be the most appropriate now.
MexTDT (
talk)
23:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – National Rally–The Republicans alliance crisis → 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis – The crisis mostly concerns The Republicans, and has little to do with the National Rally party. They were just there and said "OK" to Ciotti's faction joining their movement. I understand the current name but it's both too long and gives too much spotlight to the RN. The French article is called "2024 crisis in The Republicans party", which is a more accurate description of the situation. I suggest 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis, in line with the name of the article
The Republicans (France).
Paul Vaurie (
talk)
22:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tswana language → Setswana – WP:COMMONNAME. Searching setswana gives you results mainly saying setswana. Most of them that say Tswana are about Tswana people and reading the sources later state that the language they speak is called Setswana.
48JCL 20:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
20:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Alcaeus → Alcaeus (disambiguation) – The Greek lyric poet
Alcaeus is the clear
primary topic in both likely usage (
WP:PT1) and longterm significance (
WP:PT2). Likely Usage: There is really no debate that the lyric poet
considerably dwarfs the others in page views. He is competing with comparatively niche cultural and mythological personalities; it is telling that all of the other
Nine Lyric Poets are named monogamously on Wikipedia (although
Simonides of Ceos is not, the name
Simonides redirects there regardless). “Alcaeus of Mytilene” is simply not the
common name for the lyric poet. Longterm significance: Alcaeus the lyric poet has been canonized in ancient literature, with an oeuvre described as “highly esteemed in the ancient world” (
[16]), and an entire lyrical meter named after him (the
Alcaic stanza). He is the subject of repeated monographs and studies; the other Alcaeus personages receive no where near this much attention. The previous move request spurred into a tangential analysis of how Alcaeus is presented in classical scholarship. The sources consulted were Brill's New Pauly and the 200 year-old Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology; both do not list the the lyric poet first. Since this is blatant
cherrypicking, I’ll have a go myself: the 2014 Oxford Classical Dictionary, more comprehensive and up-to-date than both, lists the
lyric poet first. In any case, Wikipedia is not a classical encyclopedia, it is a general encyclopedia. Other general encyclopedias simply call him "Alcaeus" (see Britannica and Oxford Reference) – Aza24 (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
18:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rallying →
Rally (motorsport) – "Rallying" remains vague, as it can apply in literally every other type of sport "rally" is a term as well as the stock market. It is not an adequate disambiguation. Britannica calls it "rally"
[17] so that's what I went with here.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 10:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 21:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
18:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jutish → Jutlandic – I'm requesting a move to the new article, along with its associated talk page, because while the terms "Jutish" and "Jutlandic" can be synonyms and refer to either anything related to the ancient Germanic tribe called the '
Jutes', anything related to the
Jutland peninsula in Denmark, or the '
Jutlandic dialect' spoken in Denmark, the terms "Jute", "Jutish" and "Jutic" normally refer to anything related to the ancient Germanic tribe called the '
Jutes' (according to the entries on Wiktionary,
Jute,
Jutish and
Jutic), while the terms "Jutlandic" and "Jutlandish" normally refer to anything related to the
Jutland peninsula in Denmark, or the '
Jutlandic dialect' spoken in Denmark (according to the entries on Wiktionary,
Jutlandic and
Jutlandish), while the term "Jutlander" normally refers to anyone from the
Jutland peninsula in Denmark (according to the entry on
Wiktionary). But this definitely warrants further discussion. It seems we have five options here: # Retain the status quo, with the disambiguation page as the primary topic, # Move
Jutlandic dialect to
Jutlandic and retarget
Jutish to
Jutes, # Retarget
Jutlandic to
Jutish, # Move
Jutish to
Jutlandic and then do either of the following: :: a. retarget
Jutish to
Jutlandic, :: b. retarget
Jutish to
Jutes My personal preference is (4b), to move
Jutish to
Jutlandic and then retarget
Jutish to
Jutes, so I've styled the RM that way. But editors are also free to suggest whichever option they want in this RM.
PK2 (
talk) 03:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 12:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
18:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sthanakvasi → Sthānakavāsī – This article was living over 10 years under this proposed more appropriate and consistent name, per
this change. However, earlier this year this change was reverted in
this change. The rationale is unclear, as I was unable to find any documentation on this change. Requesting a discussion and a potential renaming per International Alphabet of Sanskrit Transliteration used in other articles on Jainism. I have changed the label of the
Wikidata item accordingly.
Solarius (
talk) 18:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Queen of Heartstalk 00:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
17:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Norman Hunter → Norman Hunter (disambiguation) – Per
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the footballer is the primary topic with respect to usage, because it is much more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. With respect to long-term significance, either no one is the primary topic or else the footballer is the primary topic, and it makes no difference because the footballer is the primary topic as to long-term significance. None of the other topics come close in terms of fame or significance.
PearlyGigs (
talk) 16:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
17:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tales of the Jedi (TV series) → Star Wars: Tales – Since this move made nearly three months ago has been objected to, here is an RM. I personally don't agree with the need as
consensus was reached on the matter. Never the less, this anthology series had its first installment released as (formally) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (commonly Tales of the Jedi) in October 2022, with it announced in April 2023 that
it would get a second season (wording used by media outlets, though the quote from Filoni was "Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more.") Subsequently, it was announced a year later in April 2024 that this second "season" was a new "installment", Star Wars: Tales of the Empire (commonly Tales of the Empire).
This press release shows the use of both formal names as well as the key quote in my view (and the determination of the previous consensus) that Tales of the Empire was the second installment of the "Tales" series. Thus, an appropriate name to address this anthology series considering the formal name would be
Star Wars: Tales, which provides a
WP:NATURAL name. -
Favre1fan93 (
talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shikike →
Fujiwara Shiki-ke – The last name was Fujiwara, with the added epiteth "Shiki-ke". "Shikike" alone was not the family name nor is it transliterated correctly (-ke means "House"). Request move to clear confusion. See also Owari Tokugawa family discussion for similar issue and solution.
Gryffindor (
talk)
15:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel – I believe that enough time has passed since the last RM (which proposed the simpler "7 October attacks" name and closed with consensus to retain the current title) to re-propose a title change for this article. I believe that "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel" is the
WP:COMMONNAME for this event, as seen in sources such as: *
Al Jazeera: "... counter the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which saw ..." *
Bloomberg: "... trapped in Gaza since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which prompted ..." *
CBC: "... around the world since the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of Oct. 7 but are now ..." *
CNN: "... from the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel being held ..." *
Euracitiv: "... triggered by the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel in which ..." *
France24: "Before the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that triggered ..." *
ISW: "... spokesperson claimed that the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel was retaliation ..." *
Middle East Eye: "Following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and subsequent ..." *
NPR: "... Palestinian armed groups since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that set off the war ..." *
NYTimes: "... including some who participated in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, and that ..." *
Reuters: "... were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that precipitated ..." *
Times of Israel: "... during and after the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel." *
The Conversation: "... participated in the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which resulted ... " *
WaPo: "Since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, restrictions have ..." Many sources simply say "7 October" or "October 7 attacks" instead of spelling out the full name, but I believe that while "7 October attacks" could be a more COMMON name, I think that it fails
WP:AT#Precision in favor of "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel."
DecafPotato (
talk) 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk)
14:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Magik → Magik (disambiguation) – As per
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Comics, the appropriate naming convention for a comics character most known by their codename (as is the case for Magik) is to have an article at said codename (examples cited include Batman and Spider-man). The only other character to carry that codename is Amanda Sefton, and that article no longer references Magik in the title (per the conclusion of the last RM). The articles at the current Magik article (which serves as a disambiguation page) are this article, a limited series about this version of the character, the aforementioned Amanda Sefton, two related music projects by Tiësto that are barely stubs, a brief article about a polish rapper, and a programming language which is not widely used. Based on this, I think it would be reasonable for this article to take up the page at Magik and the disambiguation to go back to Magik (disambiguation) (where it previously was)
Darquis (
talk) 10:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Favonian (
talk)
11:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Vespina (aircraft) →
Airbus Voyager ZZ336 – I am a close watcher of aviation generally and military aviation specifically, and I had no idea what this article title referred to.
WP:AT states that when article titles have multiple possibilities, "editors choose among them by considering several principles: the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable; and resembles titles for similar articles." None of those are true to "Vespina (aircraft). Being strictly factual and naming it as <Aircraft (i.e. general type name)> <Registration (denoting specific aircraft> is much clearer. The current name is vague in the extreme.
Mark83 (
talk)
08:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Airborne Interception radar →
Aircraft interception radar – The article's current title, "Airborne interception radar," is problematic for two reasons. First, the claim that "AI," an abbreviation used throughout the article, stands for "airborne interception" (in terms of radar) is unsourced, and is contradicted by a number of credible sources that state that "AI" has historically stood for "aircraft interception" (see sources below). The second problem with the original title is that it's misleading and/or confusing. There's an entirely different class of "airborne" radars NOT covered in this article: air-to-surface-vessel (ASV) radar systems, which are designed to detect ships and surfaced submarines, and which are often installed on aircraft. (ASV radars are already covered, appropriately, in a
separate article.) As this change may have significant impact, I'm submitting it as a request rather than making the change directly. Thanks. Supporting sources to retitle article to "Aircraft interception radar": * From the first entry in the article's Bibliography (
AP1093D: An Introduction Survey of Radar, Part II(PDF). Air Ministry. 1946.) : [opening statement, on page 6:] "Aircraft interception equipment, commonly known as AI [...]". *
Henry E. Guerlac, 1987. "Radar in World War II". ISBN 0-88318-486-9. (
https://archive.org/details/radarinworldwari0008guer/mode/2up?view=theater) : [from p. 1123, in the glossary:] "AI: Aircraft interception. Radar to detect and trace aircraft from another airplane." * From "A Textbook of Radar". Edited by
E.G. Bowen. United Kingdom, Chapman & Hall, 1948. (
https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Textbook_of_Radar/K4I8AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA530-IA4&printsec=frontcoverv) : [section title, p. 530:] "Aircraft Interception (AI)" * Norman Fine, (2019). "Blind Bombing: how microwave radar brought the Allies to D-Day". Potomac Books. ISBN 9781640122208. : [page xv:] ABBREVIATIONS AND TERMS : AI aircraft interception : [p. 70:] Influenced greatly by British needs, the initial radar projects — an airborne radar system for aircraft interception (AI) and a gun-laying radar that would track bombers overhead and automatically control the aiming of antiaircraft artillery pointed skyward — were strictly defensive at this time. : [...] : Britain also critically needed an aircraft-to-surface-vessel (ASV) radar system that could locate German U-boats from the air and destroy them before they could dive. * U.S. Radar: Operational Characteristics of Radar Classified by Tactical Application: AI—Aircraft Interception Sets. Joint Chiefs of Staff. 1 August 1943. [...]. (
https://web.archive.org/web/20100410000309/http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/radar-8.htm) : DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER : 805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD : WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060 : [Chapter heading, pp. 57-60:] AI--Aircraft Interception Sets ..
Marnofaldi (
talk) 17:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk!03:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Auriga → Auriga (disambiguation) – The constellation is the
primary topic. It has much more pageviews[5] than any other topic that has its own article, with only
Charioteer of Delphi having a considerable number of pageviews, altought 3.3 times less than the constellation (749,272 vs 223,709 pageviews since 2015). It is also notable that the
Auriga of Delphi redirect neither exists nor is linked at its "parent" page, which shows that almost no one has ever searched for
Charioteer of Delphi using the name
Auriga of Delphi. Therefore,
Auriga (constellation) satistifes the first criterion of
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.21 Andromedae (
talk) 18:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk!03:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Cincinnati Center City Development Corporation → 3CDC – The corporation is better known by its acronym than by the full title, to the extent that many may not recognize its full title (recognizability is one of the main
WP:CRITERIA for picking article titles). News articles will commonly use "3CDC" first, and only use the full name on second mention (e.g.
WCPO,
WVXU), or they might never mention the full name at all (e.g.
Fox 19,
WCPO,
Cincinnati Magazine). I think part of the reason it's hard to recognize is that it's an atypical style of acronym (i.e. one would expect the short name to be "CCCDC"). Other articles where we use an acronym instead of a full title include
NATO,
UNESCO,
CNN,
NBC.
IagoQnsi (
talk)
23:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 8 July 2024 Ukraine missile strikes → Kyiv children's hospital airstrike – The children's hospital strike is clearly the most notable and covered of these strikes, and most media outlets are covering that strike exclusively. We can mention the other strikes in the body without obstructing the searchability of the article by using a title very unlikely to be searched by someone who simply saw an article online. Most news articles have the hospital attack as the main headline and have the many other strikes as a sidenote.
[30][31][32][33]Flemmish Nietzsche (
talk)
23:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – British support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war → United Kingdom and the Israel–Hamas war – Not only match two other articles, Qatar and the United States about their role in this war, but a word like "support" isn't neutral even if the UK policy is to support Israel in this conflict. The article does make mention of opposition to the government support for Israel, therefore this isn't solely about support for Israel. The title should be reflected in a more precise manner than an outright position of support or opposition in the title.
WikiCleanerMan (
talk)
22:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture →
Names for Jewish and Christian holy books – This is a worthwhile article, but IMHO its current title is misleading. I expected "Names for books of Jewish and Christian scripture" to list the Jewish and Christian names for
books of the Bible. Instead, it lists divisions within the Bible, and the more authoritative of the other Jewish types of holy books. I believe that in both religions "scripture" is only used for the Bible. "
Sifrei Kodesh" is a wider category used in Judaism, literally meaning "holy books", although this does have a wider scope than the current content of the nominated article. –
FayenaticLondon 14:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk)
16:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Adil Shahi dynasty → Sultanate of Bijapur – These articles are about the states themselves, the Sultanates, not the dynasties. We should also standardize whether the
Deccan Sultanates are titled by their dynastic or geographical name, and the geographical name makes more sense here both for what these articles are actually about for what a reader would actually search. The other two Deccan Sultanates are already titled for their geographic-based names (
Ahmadnagar Sultanate and
Bidar Sultanate). The first and third pages to be moved have the "Sultanate" first as that is what seems to be more common per ngram
[34][35]Flemmish Nietzsche (
talk) 10:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs)
13:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – 2024 Pune car crash →
2024 Pune Porsche car crash – The word "Porsche" is a big identifier of this case - the brand of the car crashed is a big assosciation and that is how the case is often talked about in the media. People know it as the "Pune Porsche" case rather than the "2024 Pune car crash". Hence, for this article and this case, I believe the word Porsche should be added. The article thumbnail contains all references, more can be researched. To help my case, the article's thumbnail image is already the Porsche car model.
Pharaoh496 (
talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs) 14:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)— Relisting.>>>
Extorc.
talk 07:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk)
05:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Jeong Do-jeon → Chŏng To-jŏn – Per
WP:NCKO,
McCune–Reischauer romanization should be used for pre-1945 Korean names. According to
Google NGram Viewer, use of Jeong Do-jeon spiked around 2006, but cumulatively, Chong Tojon and Chong To-jon have been in much greater use. English academic articles on Korean history still predominantly use McCune-Reischauer romanization, and Chŏng Tojŏn and Chŏng To-jŏn enjoy greater currency. Per
WP:NCKO, I suggest the hyphenated given name, Chŏng To-jŏn. This move request is in keeping with the move request for
Jeong Mong-ju.
Motjustescribe (
talk)
02:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Blackdown Hills National Landscape → Blackdown Hills – The article was renamed from "Blackdown Hills" to "Blackdown Hills National Landscape" earlier this year by
Mark999 (
talk·contribs), along with several others, at least one of which has since been reverted (
North Wessex Downs). Unfortunately it seems I can't just revert this change, because the redirect has since been modified, so I'm going to have to do a requested move. There are a couple of problems with this move: # This article has always been about a range of hills that is a National Landscape (or AONB as was). The move has turned this into an article about a National Landscape that contains some hills. Except that in reality the majority of the article is still about a range of hills, the Blackdown Hills, that have existed long before they were designated as a National Landscape. The crucial difference can be seen in the fact that the standfirst sentence of this article no longer makes any sense. At the start of this year it read: "The Blackdown Hills are a range of hills along the Somerset-Devon border in south-western England, which were designated an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB) in 1991." Now it reads "The Blackdown Hills National Landscape is a National Landscape along the Somerset-Devon border in south-western England, which were designated in 1991 as an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB)." This is especially a problem for this article, which reached "Good article" status having explicitly addressed the issue of it needing to be very clear about the difference. #
WP:CONCISE: there are no other Blackdown Hills articles, there is no need to disambiguate this one or make it more complex than it needs to be. The argument for naming it "Blackdown Hills National Landscape" appears to be that this is an 'official' name, but (a) that argument only holds if this article is purely about the National Landscape conservation designation area, and not more broadly about a range of hills which still are simply called the "Blackdown Hills", and (b) that wouldn't trump the CONCISE guideline. We don't name of the
Lake District article "Lake District National Park".
Joe D(t)17:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ecologist Party of Romania → Romanian Ecologist Party – This is the literal translation of Partidul Ecologist Român. "Ecologist Party of Romania" would be Partidul Ecologist din România. Google results have gotten inflated due to this Wikipedia article but if we remove Wikipedia from the results the current title gets 592 results while the proposed one gets 413. "Ecologist Party of Romania" gets unreliable results like Fandom
[37] or this online dictionary
[38] while "Romanian Ecologist Party" gets results like the
Chamber of Deputies of Romania. Google Scholar results are expected to be less affected by Wikipedia. As a result
"Romanian Ecologist Party" gets 57 results while
"Ecologist Party of Romania" gets 14. The proposed title is a more accurate Romanian translation and the
WP:COMMONNAME in academia, and probably would be overall if it wasn't for this article.
SuperΨDro14:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Bonnaroo Music Festival → Bonnaroo – "Bonnaroo" is the most commonly used, associated, and referenced name, both by the
festival itself and
external publications. The current page name does not include "and Arts Festival", so it is otherwise incorrect. The shortened name is appropriate under Wikipedia's naming conventions, does not create disambiguation confusion with other "bonnaroo's" (as none exist), and will appropriately conform to other major American festival pages like
Lollapalooza,
Coachella,
South by Southwest,
Burning Man, and
Electric Forest (all that only have their festival name without any qualifiers, even though these "shortened" names are not their "official names"). I recognize this would take some work on the admin side to correct double redirects and other links, but believe the name change would be appropriate nonetheless. Shotgunheist💬 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink). Shotgunheist💬16:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Shakti pitha →
Shakta pithas – Not really a very strong support from my end, but regardless, I thought this might merit a discussion among the WP community for the record. While contemporary usage among the vast Hindi-speaking population in India seems to prefer "Shakti pithas", references to the subject in traditional Hindu religious literature is unanimously as "Shakta pithas", so no wonder that every major scholar on Shaktism or Tantra has used that term. The only
book on this topic even to this day is by the noted historian
Dineshchandra Sircar. Other academic sources:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11,
12. Also important to note here that the present scholarly consensus is that this very concept took shape in Bengal, so the fact that even historian Sachidananda Sarkar refers to the topic as "Shakta pithas" in his Bengali book মহাতীর্থ একান্নপীঠের সন্ধানে might be relevant to consider. Thanks. JovianEclipse13:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ismail Qemali → Ismail Kemal – I was researching on this topic and actually discovered that this figure's real name was Ismail Kemal, not Qemal or Qemali as several authors have inaccurately spelled it. The page was also moved to Ismail Kemal by
CanadianFolks, though without any discussion so I thought I could request one. As they highlight, Ismail used the spelling "Kemal" in his signature (
can be seen here) and also in his English memoirs, The Memoirs of Ismail Kemal Bey. The Albanian source
Amfora says "King Zog I changed the Turkish name Ismail Kemal Bey Vlora to the Albanian version, Ismail Qemali or Ismail Qemal Bey Vlora, during the 25th anniversary of Albanian independence. This change occurred during Communist Albania, and his name is mentioned in the Albanian Encyclopedic Dictionary as Ismail Qemali". This confirms that his name's actual spelling was Kemal, not Qemali which was promoted by
Zog I as part of his Albanian nationalist campaigns. As much as I would wish Ismail's surname to be Qemali, we have to face the facts so I would request it to be changed to Kemal. As a matter of fact, the sources on this article itself use "Kemal" rather than "Qemali" such as: *Skendi, The Albanian National Awakening (1967) *Kondis, Greece and Albania, 1908–1914 (1976) *Treadway, The Falcon and Eagle: Montenegro and Austria-Hungary, 1908–1914 (1983) *Hanioğlu, Preparation for a Revolution: The Young Turks, 1902-1908 (2001) *Blumi, Ottoman Refugees, 1878-1939: Migration in a Post-Imperial World (2013) These sources count for more than half of the article and I have only listed the sources on this article, I could go on listing several others though I think this is sufficient enough for now. Hoping for a quick move.
DashnorKemalit(talk)09:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
(
Discuss) – Jeong Mong-ju → Chŏng Mong-ju – Per
WP:NCKO, McCune–Reischauer romanization should be used for pre-1945 Korean names. I would also argue it to be the more common name as well. Via Google NGrams
[41], both Chong Mong-ju and its non-hyphenated form Chong Mongju, are more popular compared to Jeong Mong-ju. The sources I found (as well as in the article) also mostly preferred the McCune–Reischauer variant over Revised Romanization variant
⁂CountHacker (
talk)
19:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball →
De La Salle Green Archers volleyball – The above existing pages have titles that do emulate the placement of a disambiguating sports descriptor after the team name, per
WP:QUALIFIER. This style of adding descriptors has been prescribed by example by, among other similar college-sports WikiProjects,
this page under
WP:CBBALL and
this page under
WP:CFB for titles of pages about United States college teams. Clearly, these descriptors were prescribed in order to naturally disambiguate (by
WP:NATURAL) a page about a team playing a certain sport from pages about namesake teams that are playing in other sports. In each of the team pages above being requested for moving, however, 1) the team name used is not that of its institution's team's uniform or collective name but the special nickname or unique moniker given to that specific team playing in its sport, so much so that the need for disambiguation disappears. 2) what is produced by the addition of a disambiguating sport descriptor after the team's special nickname is a redundancy. For example, there are no other De La Salle Green Spikers other than the De La Salle Green Archers team playing men's volleyball. For having a redundant title, the page's title then creates
WP:OVERPRECISION and breaches the
WP:CONCISE rule. That, however, can be salvaged by replacing the special moniker with the institution's team's uniform or collective name, a replacement which is what would have the need for disambiguation and erase the redundancy.
Bagoto (
talk) 09:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
18:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Foam (culinary) → ? – Desperately needed standardization across
Category:Culinary terminology, no reason to have four or five ways of disambiguating the exact same parent topic, mostly seems like a result of people creating different articles all at different times without any of the coordination usually needed to come up with the right disambiguators. I didn't want to add the newname parameters to the temp due to the scale of the proposal, however to start the conversation I'll say "culinary" would be the obvious worst option as its an adjective rather than an actual topic-noun; "Cuisine" feels the best to me as its both the most encyclopedic and can cover a few edge cases where a topic relates to food without "
using heat to make food more palatable, digestible, nutritious, or safe", though I'd also find "cooking" largely unobjectionable per COMMONNAME. Browning (partial cooking),
Curing (food preservation), and
Proofing (baking technique) can all theoretically stay as their disambiguators are that much more specific, but I would argue they aren't actually necessary, they are only disambiguating from non-culinary topics and not from other techniques in the same category. I also wasn't sure what to do with
Toast (food) as it can refer to both the technique and the resulting food item, a printworthy redirect from toasting (cuisine) may be the best option instead.
Orchastrattor (
talk) 16:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk)
18:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Lunar soil → Lunar regolith – "Lunar regolith" is a much more accurate common term to refer to this specific Lunar surface material, and is generally a more favoured search term than "lunar soil" per google trends. The current title also unintentionally obscures this from pages like
regolith, which discuss the concept more broadly that's being applied here. As others pointed out in the last move that was made, it's the more accurate term to use for this topic. I'm also requesting the same move for
Martian soil.
Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 08:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
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16:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Hwangap →
Sixtieth birthday in East Asia – Welcome suggestions; I'm not sure what best title for this is. The concept is relevant to the
Sinosphere (afaik particularly China, Japan, and Korea; does it exist in Vietnam?), so I just proposed a generic English-language title. See
Talk:East Asian coal briquettes#Requested move 8 September 2023 for a similar discussion along this vein. I don't know much about the ceremony's varieties across Asia. Not sure how
WP:COMMONNAME factors into this. Here's an
ngram; the Chinese term is complicated by the fact that it overlaps with other terms, for example
sexagenary cycle. If we can't conclusively determine common name, think the Eng title I'm proposing steps on the fewest nationalist toes (see the talk post above this move req).
211.43.120.242 (
talk) 10:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
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16:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Martian soil → Martian regolith – "Martian regolith" is a more accurate term for this particular portion of the Martian surface and is essentially exclusively the one used in the scientific community and literature. The current title also creates some ambiguity with the
regolith article not neatly pointing to the same concept by name. I've requested the same sort of move at
Lunar soil.
Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 08:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
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16:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Gaza Strip famine →
Starvation of Palestinians during the Israel-Hamas war – No source is saying this is a famine. They say near-famine, starvation, or famine-like conditions. Contrary to some claims, there is not one source in this article that declares a famine. The FRC said there wasn't enough evidence to declare a famine, and other sources agreed. But pretty much all reliable sources say there is starvation. In every report, most of the population is in some form of starvation, and sources have gladly accepted this term. Additionally, starvation has been confirmed by pretty much all humanitarian orgs, the UN, ICC, and ICJ. Also, there is no common name. I want to see evidence there's a widely used name. The name doesn't have to be this, but it should revolve around starvation in Gaza.
Personisinsterest (
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01:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel →
Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity".[6] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.
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Discuss) – Nuseirat refugee camp massacre →
Killing of civilians during Nuseirat raid and rescue – The word "massacre" is listed as a non-neutral term at
WP:POVNAMING and should not be used unless it's a
WP:COMMONNAME, which it isn't in this case. "Killing of civilians" is perfectly neutral (see
WP:KILLINGS) and covers the idea of "massacre" but in a neutral way. Two anticipated objections: *While there is currently
a discussion to merge this article, I don't see any consensus there. If consensus does develop to merge/delete this article, then an admin is perfectly capable of closing this RM and redirecting this article. But until then, this article must still follow
WP:NPOV. *While Israeli and Palestinian officials dispute how many civilians were killed, the fact that at least some civilians (including children) were killed during the raid is a established fact that RS state in their own voice: **"At the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in the nearby town of Deir al-Balah, the dead and wounded arrived in waves — men, women and children."
Associate Press **"Many Palestinians, including children, were killed and injured in the area where the operation took place, with images and footage showing a large numbers of casualties."
BBC News **"Video in the aftermath of the raid showed charred bodies scattered across streets in Nuseirat, while Palestinians could be seen gathering the remains of those killed. Bloodied children could also be seen arriving at a local hospital".
NBC News Finally, the move target should be "Killing of civilians during X", where X is the name decided for
2024 Nuseirat rescue operation article per
WP:CONSISTENT. Currently there seems to be a lot of support
for moving that article to "Nuseirat raid and rescue". VR(Please
ping on reply)04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Srebrenica massacre → Srebrenica genocide – I suggest that we rename this article to "Srebrenica genocide" now that the UN has issued its resolution on the matter today, designating July 11 as the International Day of Reflection and Commemoration of the 1995 Genocide in Srebrenica Please also check the discussion above.
Njamu (
talk) 06:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
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09:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation →
Nuseirat raid and rescue – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue.
Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage."
NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault",
CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities."
Selfstudier (
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15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Discuss) – Tel al-Sultan massacre →
Rafah tent camp attack – News sources have called it "attack", "massacre", "strike" and "airstrike". It is not yet clear which is the most
WP:COMMONNAME. "Massacre" carries value judgement, and "airstrike" obscures the fact that many of the casualties weren't killed directly by the airstrike, but were
burned alive in the resulting fire. "Strike" is very similar to "attack", but "attack" is consistent with other similar events like
World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack. I also think "Rafah tent camp" is more recognizable than "Tel al-Sultan" and most sources seem to use "Rafah tent camp" or "Rafah displacement camp".VR(Please
ping on reply)18:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply