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The Clinton story blurb needs to be changed to campaign office and not headquarters. The office in question is a sattellite office and not the headquarters.
Grant.alpaugh21:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I think there should be a minor change to make it more clear that the teddy bear was named Muhammad. Also the teacher's name doesn't need to be in the headline, as teacher could just as easily link to her article.
Grant.alpaugh17:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Neither relevant article describes the teacher in question as an ex-employee of the school: I have seen no comment that suggests that the school has withdrawn support from her, and most importantly, at the time of the naming, she was a teacher at that school. Why then has the headline been changed to read "a former Unity High School teacher"? If she has been dismissed by the school, it should be in one or other of the articles.
Kevin McE13:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Given that she is being deported, I think its safe to call her former as you wont be teaching there anymore. However, I do agree that the word former is not nessisary in the ITN blub and should be removed as it does tend to suggest she was either dismissed or quit (neither of which is true).
Russeasby16:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Wow, that's an amazingly large article for a brand new event. Modified for verb tense and posted. The image doesn't look like much of anything, especially if you don't already know that
The Peninsula Manila is a hotel, but we may be forced to use it when Sharif gets rotated off. Thanks,
BanyanTree08:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm not quite sure though whether to note this fully yet, as not all of the votes have been fully counted and the final results are still far away, especially due to the fact that elections will be repeated in several locations. --
PaxEquilibrium (
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15:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
In a number of prior cases, I suggested waiting until 100% of the votes had been counted. But 99.93% of votes in Croatia and 95.85% of votes from abroad having been counted is close enough. I endorse putting this up, and suggest: "The
Croatian Democratic Unionretains a
plurality in the
Parliament of
Croatia." We don't know what the future, the cabinet formation, holds, so we shouldn't speculate on that.
AecisBrievenbus23:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Do you have a suggested wording? Admins look for clearly worded suggestions that are backed up the article and reliable external sources. You can safely assume that admins are completely ignorant about that actual topic. -
BanyanTree23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Aecis rightly notes above that ITN items avoid speculation. Beyond the very minor issues of verb tense, the major issue is that you yourself expressed uncertainty about the merits of the blurb. Suggestions that ask posting admins to make decisions about content, as well as the complicated enough issues of ITN-worthiness (note the kerfuffle above), tend to fall through the cracks. Aecis suggested a blurb stripped of speculation as well as a clear statement on why it was worded the way it was and his suggestion was put up. Note that the point is moot as we are well past the period of "timely interest".
BanyanTree01:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Is this really eligible? Very short, still market as a stub, hardly of international interest. Please, don't put items only on your own initiative. --
Camptown (
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21:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
First of all, this article is concise, not "short", and is still marked as a stub since it will be expanded substantially within the coming days. Is it of less international interest than the
2007 Writers Guild of America strike? This protest has so far been much more intense than the
2005 civil unrest in France, which was featured on ITN prominently in 2005. Are you objecting that I added an article that I created myself? If so, say so please. I was not aware that there was a rule on ITN that states you cannot add articles you have updated personally.
JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 22:00
I am objecting to the posting of items that have not been reviewed. And Jacoplane who started, "nominated", and posted it right away should know better. --
Camptown (
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22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I posted this article hours after I started it. If any other admin feels it should be removed, I will not wheelwar with them.
JACOPLANE • 2007-11-27 23:04
Well, you've hardly posted it "hours", but just it a little more than 2 hours after your self-nomination on this page; and by then - it should be pointed out - there was no reaction in relation to your nomination. I'm certainly not against self-nominations, but why do you think that this particular news item is of such importance that even expected expansion of the article will excuse the stub from reaching the frontpage? --
Camptown (
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12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
The ITN system is dependent on trust - and that the admins follow the basic rules. As admin Jacoplane has abused his admin credentials, I'd expect him to remove the article from the mainpage and return it for further consideration here.
Bondkaka (
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09:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I wish to comment on the underlying assumptions in some of the above comments, while avoiding actually joining the argument. This page is not a review, but a centralized location where non-admins can suggest items to be posted. Suggestions are not subject to majority approval or consensus, which both require time and are therefore counterproductive to the whole "timely update" aspect, but are rather posted by any admin who feels they are a good candidate. (This is precisely why occasional admin catfights on ITN are expected and even necessary as items are re-evaluated by other admins.) For much of the history of this page, there was very little activity here and admins were often obliged to search for updated articles, including by doing their updates. I've lost track of the number of articles I've updated and posted directly to ITN, only rarely putting items up here when I felt that there might be a question of notability or update quality needing a second opinion. There is no absolute requirement to post items to the candidates page before updating ITN. -
BanyanTree23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I think this is definitely notable and of international interest. This is not a unique event, and it's certainly not confined to Paris or France. Recent riots in Amsterdam were dubbed "Parijse toestanden" (Parisian situations), to give just one example.
AecisBrievenbus22:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Typhoon Mitag leaves 17 dead in the Philippines as Tropical Depression Hagibis batters Southern Luzon.
Screw BBC Sport, it's on
BBC News. However I'm concerned about the "notable within his field of expertise" criteria since he's not that well known (the Skins aren't playoff contenders during the past seasons except on 2005 when they made it to the playoffs barely and shocked TB in the Divisionals). --HowardtheDuck13:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
He's fairly well known. Most NFL fan fans would know who he is but he only played in the league for 4 years. just because his team airn't that good doesn't make his non-notable.
Buc (
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19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
After reading his articles, you're right, "most NFL fans" know him, while most American football may not. He barely made it to the
Pro Bowl, now if it's LT, Favre or the two Mannings died spectacularly then that's ITN material. --HowardtheDuck03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I, personally, will not post this. Sean Taylor was notable within football, but he was far from the peak of his field. If Peyton Manning or LT or Favre died, then sure, but not a one-time Pro Bowl safety who nobody who doesn't follow football would have ever heard of before. Also, this hasn't been posted on
Portal:Current events, but I wouldn't put it on ITN, anyway. --
Mike(Kicking222)20:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm pretty sure that Mike was making a reference to LaDainian Tomlinson rather that the the original LT. That said, this is very marginal because while Taylor was probably not very well know to the general non-American football fan. That said, he was notable to those who would've been interested in knowing about him, and was one of the better players in his posistion, so i suppose you might consider him an expert in playing free safety, and it is getting considerable coverage on non-sports news sites, so i'll support this.
Thethinredline (
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22:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
While this is largely irrelevant, and has no bearing on the Sean Taylor nomination, i would argue that Steve Irwin was 'more' notable that Sean Taylor. I mean he had a TV show (which was probably seen in more countries than American football), starred in a movie about himself, appeared on a lot of talk shows and the Prime Minister of Australia even commented to the media about his untimely death. Sorry about this rather weird tangent i've gone off on
Thethinredline (
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22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
No, that was a legit tangent. I'm a huge football fan, and I never liked Steve Irwin, but these people can't be compared. Taylor is someone who, until today, not a single person who didn't follow football was aware of, whereas Irwin was, undoubtedly, the single most notable person in his field (at least, right up there with the Goodall). I understand everyone's points, but I still personally don't think he is even close to the threshold for being placed on ITN, and I'm not going to do it. --
Mike(Kicking222)23:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
ITN doesn't cover events that have not happened, or at least already begun. To make sure that is covered, please return and post a suggestion once it has started. Thanks,
BanyanTree01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)reply
They aren't quite PD, but they are certainly Free. I can provide others if desired; it's mostly a matter of me sorting through several thousand photographs in order to find them. --
Constantine (
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14:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Probably not, unfortunately. It might be possible to find some later, as there were likely a number of pictures taken from the other ships, but it will take a while for those to start appearing. --
Constantine (
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02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I should note that there are now two more pictures of the Explorer on Commons, but both are from two years ago. They are closer and thus may be more suitable for smaller sizes, however. --
Constantine (
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05:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)reply
There is now an image of the ship listing that has an explanation for why it is in the public domain, due to it being from the Chilean Air Force. I don't know the details of this argument, and there seems to be a slow debate in Commons in the template's talk page as to whether the claim is valid in general, but it possible that the picture would be acceptable. --
Constantine (
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07:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a common and expected pre-election procedure. Saakashvili, if he wins, will get his job back. Is Nino Burjanadze the first female head of state in Georgia? I ain't sure if this temp job is significant enough. This is not a first time for her, anyway. --
PFHLai (
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20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Typhoon Mitag leaves the Bicol region with 6 deaths before traversing towards Aurora-Isabela Provinces Monday morning.
Typhoon Mitag changes course, expected to make landfall in Aurora-Isabela Provinces in the Philippines tomorrow packing maximum sustained winds of 175 km/h - 210 kp/h moving at 11 km/h NW as opposed to the previous forecast of landfall in the province of Catanduanes. Aurora and Isabela provincial governments were ordered to take immediate evacuation of residents in low-lying areas. Meanwhile, several families who evacuated in the Albay Province are now allowed to go back to their homes but nevertheless,
PAGASA in a press release mentions that there is still a possibility that the typhoon may once again change its course. (04:32 GMT)[
GMANews.TV
Shouldn't this just fall under the currently posted article? Unless the course change or potential course change isn't hugely notable beforehand, probably not worth mentioning that aspect on the Main Page. •
Lawrence Cohen05:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I suggest to remove the ITN blurb about this for the meantime or change the blurb since the 200k evacuees returned already as the typhoon changed its course to bypass the
Bicol Region and instead is currently heading into
Aurora-
Isabela border. --HowardtheDuck07:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I was wondering if someone already put this in. It's also pretty significant, since he's most likely to lose his seat (being one of only two outgoing PMs to have done so) and also due to the fact that he's been the second-longest serving PM in our history. Oh, and don't forget that we'll need some sources:
Can someone please put one the images from
Kevin Rudd in?
Thanks to whoever did put that pic. But just a heads-up, next to "More than 150 are killed by floodings in Papua New Guinea following Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba", the old "(pictured)" is still there.
122.99.82.107 (
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14:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Posted. The word "fail" implies an opinion as to the proper course of action, which I have attempted to avoid by choosing "refuse". Thanks,
BanyanTree02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)reply
This item was posted some days ago, but removed for being questioned for being to stubby. Since then, the article has been somewhat updated and as it covers an intersting phase in the recently elected Sarkozy government, it seems to meet the ITN criteria. --
Camptown (
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11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
The very existence of this article is, IMHO, gross recentism. It is highly presumptuous to assume that this strike will have any greater significance than any number of previous industrial disputes in recent French history, and in times to come would probably be proportionately dealt with by one sentence in an article on French industrial relations. Does the existence of an ITN section precipitate articles of recentism?
Kevin McE (
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17:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, ITN is an important thing, I think. But I don't think ITN feeds anything, really. As for this article, thats what I was getting at--work stoppages in France aren't a big deal. They happen all the time. If it was a major French airport in Paris it might be worth mentioning, if it caused travel in Europe to foul up, or something like that. This is on the scale of the bus drivers in Los Angeles stopping work or the London underground operators stopping. •
Lawrence Cohen17:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
It's not just railway personnel that have gone on strike, teachers and some newspapers have gone on strike as well. But it's not just that: several TGV lines have been sabotaged, including IIRC the northern line to Brussels and the eastern line to Strasbourg and Germany. I think that's significant and international.
AecisBrievenbus11:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Endorse, 71 deaths in a cyclone is notable. And it would replace a cyclone (Sidr) with a cyclone (Guba), which won't harm the content balance of ITN.
AecisBrievenbus17:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
As it is likely that more information will be available over the next week with the relief efforts, the section on Guba is becoming too big to handle like this. So now I have split the section to its own article,
Cyclone Guba, to make it easier to organise and expand more information. Could the main link in the news template please be changed?
RaNdOm26 (
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14:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
The actual text uses the word 'floodings', which my spell-checker, at least, says does not exist. Use 'flooding' or 'floods', please.
Radagast (
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21:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I've also re-worded it from families into households, because family tends to indicate parents and children etc, when this may not be the case, it could be foster parents, adoptive children, etc. --
Hadseys (
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02:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I am not British, and I thought a problem of this size was interesting. I also was in my local news. So it probably has some international interest.
Thue |
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I would think a massive data security leak which affects millions of people has relevance for the way data is stored in other countries. If nothing else gives them a chance to laugh at us bungling Brits. 15:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, just asking the question. I realize that data security and identity theft are international issues, just asking if on the surface it wasn't simply a British problem and not much more. I just thought it a fair point to ask, and I agree with you about the Ukraine article, that is dubious at best.
Grant.alpaugh (
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00:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Been off-wiki for a bit and just got back on this page. Sorry nobody responded sooner, but I have posted the most recent related suggestion above. Cheers,
BanyanTree02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I can support this being on ITN for at least a day or two before cyclying off. Its international in scope, enough. As for Barry Bonds, American baseball is very popular in more than just America (Japan, for example). Bonds is also arguably one of the Top 3 biggest names still in baseball, and for coverage in the past 2-3 years between the scandals and baseball records, scored as much of a quantity of coverage as Michael Jordan ever did in his heydey during the various years of the Chicago Bulls owning the NBA. Definitely noteworthy, on his entry. •
Lawrence Cohen17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Barry Bonds shouldn't be up there, but I'm not sure this should either. Is this really news anywhere besides Australia and maybe Indonesia? —dgiestc06:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Well it's about security forces from one country killing several foreign reporters while they invade another. It's entirely international, and non-trivial. It's certainly more significant then yet another chapter in the Barry Bonds and drugs saga. -
Shuddetalk09:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I didn't say it's nontrivial, but just because it involves two countries is a pretty weak justification as "international". Can you show "front page" level coverage in, say Europe or the U.S.? —dgiestc17:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Have you read the article? It involves Indonesia and East Timor, and the journalists were from Australia, New Zealand and Britain. That's five not two. -
Shuddetalk22:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
(edit conflict) I'm on the fence about this one. Bonds plus investigations into steroid use is nothing new. Perhaps this should go up when a verdict is delivered.
Hammer Raccoon01:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)reply
By the way, not that I doubt the significance of Bonds, but "top story everywhere" is a bit misleading. As of now, its (unsurprisingly) nowhere to be seen on BBC News.
Hammer Raccoon01:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)reply
But there's no final decision yet, it's only an
indictment, it's like
spring training to put it on baseball terms (trial - regular season, sentencing - postseason), and in sports, we only post the final result. The Hayden Panettiere save the dolphins issue is more "international" than this, IMHO. --HowardtheDuck02:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I dont think this should be on ITN, if we cant have something as big and worldwide as the start of a major sporting world cup, we shouldnt have something like this in there. --
Cstubbies (
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18:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't the blurb mention which country this is happening in? Anyway, just to sum up, it appears that the significance of this story is that somebody (who is very famous in one country) has been accused of committing a not particularly serious crime. I really can't see the importance of this.
Bistromathic (
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17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Um, federal charges of perjury and obstruction of justice are quite a serious matter. Bonds could theoretically go to prison for years. Anyway, to understand the significance of the Bonds matter, you have to understand the iconic nature of baseball in America and the career home run record in particular. This is not your everyday story of a celebrity getting in trouble with the law. The steroids saga has a particular resonance in American culture, just like the
Black Sox Scandal in 1920. That said, I'm glad it's been placed under the story of the cyclone.--
Mwalcoff (
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22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Others went over it and added English-language news source. It would be really great if en.wikipedia.org spread the news of this positive example to the backwards countries.
212.23.126.20 (
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05:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)reply
If there are articles, that is. Nearly 400,000 Congolese forced from their homes in fighting directly related to the 1994 Rwandan Genocide this year alone and we've managed to get a decent update in time for ITN once. Enough of my soapboxing... Posted. Thanks,
BanyanTree20:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Supporters of Hamas and Fatah have clashed on the Gaza Strip, during commemorations of Yasser Arafat's death three years ago. There doesn't appear to be an article about this though.
AecisBrievenbus19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I have written a more complete article about the election, so it should probably be bolded as the main link, and it would be nice if we can link to both candidates. I would suggest something like:
Australia, North America, and other are catching up. One of the article refs states it's distributed to 40 countries, I think. The article was created as a result of the recall. The only catch is that it's Bindeez in Australia and Aqua Dots in the US, hence my referral to it as a "children's toy", rather than the proper name. Invites a click to find out more if nothing else! --
Stephen04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I believe this has international impact: the toys were produced in China and sold in at least two continents (Australia and North America). Add to that a wave of recent recalls of Chinese products, like the pet food scare, for instance, which was posted on ITN. I support putting this up.
AecisBrievenbus12:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
This is a very complicated story, that has been brought up several times before. I don't know if it has reached the level of ITN now, and if so, what the wording should be. The
2007 Belgian government formation has come to a complete halt after a record 150 days. The
Belgian Chamber Committee on the Interior has voted in favour of splitting the electoral arrondissement
Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde, much to the dismay of French-speaking parties in Belgium. Two of those parties are involved in the cabinet formation,
Humanist Democratic Centre and
Reformist Movement. There are so many elements involved in this, and the repercussions are so unclear, that a blurb would probably be very wordy. I'll work on the involved articles, but even if this is not up for ITN at the moment, it is coming very close to it. That is why I'm bringing this to your attention.
AecisBrievenbus19:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I don't see any info in the article about a state of emergency, though I admittedly used a quick text search, so will go with TheFEARgod's suggestion. Posted. Thanks,
BanyanTree20:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Posted. Please format suggested ITN hooks for standard verb tense and with an emboldened item in the future. There is a crop of that image that would work I think - just above the guy's head to get the boat and flooded street - but I can't do it myself at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion,
BanyanTree07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Its a small nation, but still a current event of international importance. This is my first ITN suggestion, feel free to reformat, I am no writer.
Russeasby15:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Fourth highest position in the most populous country in Africa, and the Etteh story has basically paralyzed West African news for weeks. A lot of international observers paid more attention to this then they would the normal changing of a House of Representatives speaker because it was seen as indicative of whether the notoriously corrupt Nigerian political establishment had the will to boot one of its own. Some people say it could signal a major turning point towards a less corrupt National Assembly. So, I think its of international importance; certainly as important as the
Alberto Gonzales story, which was featured. Will add it if there are no objections shortly.
Picaroon(t)01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I oppose putting this up. The election of a Speaker is barely newsworthy, regardless of the circumstances, and the information about both the election of the new Speaker and the corruption case involving Etteh is minimal at best. Fourth highest position != highest position.
AecisBrievenbus01:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)reply
What's the difference between this and Alberto Gonzales? Attorney General is far lower than fourth in the US, correct? Or do you just want me to write more in each of them? (This can be done.)
Picaroon(t)01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I disagree. What is notable about him happened 60+ years ago, his death is not notable. He was not a leading figure in his field of expertise, and his death was not unexpected, at age 92. He doesn't meet any of our criteria for recently deceased people.
AecisBrievenbus01:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)reply
The Mexican flooding should definitely be featured in ITN; it's as relevant and as important as the California fires we featured for days. •
Lawrence Cohen21:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)reply
No, it's not. Something like an multi-time Olympic gold medalist having to give away their medals is ITN worthy. A random athlete retiring from a sport isn't all that big. --
Plasma Twa 207:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)reply
The reason I brought this up for consideration is that it 1) involves a notable tennis player (winning 5 grand slam singles titles, 9 grand slam doubles titles, 38 WTA Tour singles titles and 29 WTA Tour doubles titles is no mean feat); 2) involves a notable topic (doping in sport); 3) involves a highly notable tournament (Wimbledon).
AecisBrievenbus11:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Perhaps if Hingis had won Wimbledon... But she went out in the third round, and its not even as if cocaine is a performance-enhancing drug. Had this happened when Hingis was at her peak, then this would be sure-fire ITN material. As it is, she already retired once before, and she hasn't won a Grand Slam for eight years.
Hammer Raccoon15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)reply