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Category:Dudley–Winthrop family
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Nominator rationale This is not a family, this is people who distantly connect back to an ancestor several hundred years ago, with no rhyme or reason as to whom is included and who is not. For example
James E. Faust is a direct descendant of
Edward Partridge. True, that is not explained in either of our articles on them, but this work, Bell, James P. (1999). In the Strength of the Lord: The Life and Teachings of James E. Faust. Deseret Book Company. ISBN 1-57345-580-6., fully explains it. The article on Edward Patridge has atrocious sourcing. The extensive section of his relatives has zero sourcing. I am about to revamp much of that with better more academic sourcing. However the main take away is that this is not in any way a coherent family unit. It is a way to link people who share ancestry at so far a remove in any of their lines in a way that they would never think of themselves as a family. It is not like the Churchills who intentionally repeated a name like Winston after 300 years. Just because we can trace the way John Kerry, Herbert Hoover and Oliver Wendell Holmes were all related to each other does not mean they form a unified family in any meaningful way of using this term.
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17:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete (or heavily purge) -- the Dudley–Winthrop family was highly notable in the early colonial history of one colony. The 17th century members of that family might be worth a category, but distant descents are wholly NN. We have in the past deleted descendants of George III. The real problem is that such descents are too common. 300 years means about 10 generations. If each person had two children, in the 10th generation there would be 2^10 members, just over 1000 to which add another 1000 for the earlier generations. This cannot provide a useful category.
Peterkingiron (
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10:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Family categories should be limited to people born within the family or marrying one of its members. Not every descendant of the family. For example
Category:Howard family (English aristocracy) covers hundreds of members of this long-lived family. But not descendants born in families who intermarried with them.
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Category:Regattas
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping topics. A regatta is a series of boat races (where a boat race is a single contest between boats start to finish). However, no boat race (by this meaning) that I know if is notable on its own. For example,
The Boat Race is actually a series of races between the men and women. Possibly all notable boat races are actually regattas, whether or not that word is in the name. However, I think we should use the more widely understood term "boat race" rater than the specialist term "regatta." Also see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 8#Category:Rowing regattas.
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Category:Joshua Reynolds
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Nominator's rationale:Overcategorization by association. 11 of the 15 articles here are people who simply had some form of association with the category's eponym: members of his family, people who modelled for him, people who studied his work hundreds of years after his death, etc. — but that's not a legitimate basis for categorizing them this way, as being associated with someone else is not a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of a person — and one more is a broad aesthetic style movement that he was certainly part of, but which isn't uniquely his own and isn't categorized for any other artist who was part of it, and thus isn't somehow more strongly defined by Joshua Reynolds having been part of it than by e.g. Gainsborough or Rubens having been part of it. But once the biographies and the genre article are purged, all that will be left is one statue of him, a house he once lived in, a subcategory for his paintings and the head biographical article about Joshua Reynolds himself, which is not enough content to justify an eponymous category.
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17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, there is only one topic article apart from the eponymous article. No objection to recreating when we have more than five topic articles.
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05:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Battles on Czech lands
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So this is now a dynastic category, not a geographic category? Every subdivision of Silesia that ever had a battle could end up here. Is that the intent?
Laurel Lodged (
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10:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Laurel Lodged, the "Czech lands" covered by the Wikipedia article are "more or less co-extensive with the territory of the modern-day Czech Republic", rather than the "Lands of the Bohemian Crown", which included the whole of Silesia.
TSventon (
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11:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)reply
It's not really a mistake as the terms can be used interchangeably. The
lands of the Bohemian Crown "are now sometimes referred to in scholarship as the Czech lands" and
Czech lands says "Czech texts use the term to refer to any territory ruled by the Kings of Bohemia, i.e., the lands of the Bohemian Crown". Either term would include the whole of Silesia until 1742 and could be classified as a former country. Classifying Czech history is complicated, so I am undecided on whether the "Battles on Czech lands" category is needed.
TSventon (
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12:30, 15 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Deletion of the category is certainly an option. It would leave the subcategories in the Bohemian and Moravian tree, ultimately in the tree of the Czech Republic.
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Category:Companies in the Nasdaq Next Generation 100
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World Athletics
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Nominator's rationale: harmonize with the new World Athletics branding since 2020. If impraticable, please delete this request.
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Category:Iranian-language encyclopedias
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Category:Populated places in Elisabethpol Governorate
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Nominator's rationale: Reverse a bad idea of mine. A 19th century entity in the Russian Empire. Potentially every village in present day Azerbaijan that used to be in the governate could be added to it. It would be unwieldy to categorise every Azeri village with every category for every sub-national entity that ever existed in the area. Listify instead.
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Category:Bethel Music songs
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Nominator's rationale: Bethel music is a record label and we don't do songs by record label. If appropriate, happy to see this renamed Bethel Music singles.
Richhoncho (
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09:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The category you refer to does not group the songs released by Bethel Music as a record label, but it groups the songs that were performed by and credited to Bethel Music as a musical act exclusively. It does not include all the songs that were released through the record label.
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Category:Volcanic eruptions
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Nominator's rationale: The "Volcanic eruptions" and "Volcanic events" categories seem to be talking about more or less the same thing, and it's difficult to say what should be in one but not the other. Both are sparsely populated. Merging in the other direction is fine by me, though "events" seems more inclusive? --
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Category:Redirect-Class Emoji flags
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Butterflies by non-island country
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Since butterflies don't know anything about the borders of these countries, many of them will have ranges which cross national borders to the point of making these category divisions meaningless.
Animal lover 666 (
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07:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete or merge most of these. For example, Bangladesh and India might be amalgamated as south Asia; Laos and Vietnam as SE Asia; etc. We have however steered away from national cagtegories, except for indigenous species (found nowhere else).
Peterkingiron (
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11:03, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose Those categories reproduce scientific data about butterflies' locations. Flying insects are crossing borders -- so what? It's not about endemic species. It's about official countings which are documented in that states. --
Just N. (
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18:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Ambivalent about this, because there are articles such as
List of butterflies of Bangladesh, so listing butterflies by non-island countries is being done in Wikipedia. I would feel better about the proposal if it wasn't for straight-up deletion. If eliminated, I would prefer that these be merged to regional or continental categories. Some of the articles I looked at are not in the applicable regional or continental categories. As far as I can tell, the appropriate merge targets would be:
Support merge per Good Olfactory. This is, I think, what we have done before and not delete and lose navigational direction.
Hmains (
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17:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Support merge per
Good Ol’factory. I agree with those above who seem to suggest that creatures that fly (at the very least) likely are not limited in movement by political borders. I have a vague recollection that something similar has been done with
Category:Birds by country. - jc3702:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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A shitty idea
A shitty idea, made by some noob who doesn't know anything about lepidoptera !
I'll better leave this gang againb !
Not astonished that nobody put it in discussion in the lepidoptera section of wikipedia. Those guys want to continue their dicatatorship.
I'm so tired (
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03:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
This is poorly though out. National organizations create lists to document and understand the flora and fauna within their borders, often aiding conservation efforts. The statement about 'butterflies not knowing anything about borders' is meaningless from a research point of view. Many Lepidoptera are local specialists relying on specific plant communities and are not widely dispersed at a continental level. I suspect there was little or no input on this discussion from people specializing in Lepidoptera.
User:Animal lover 666 did similar damage to the to national moth lists.
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13:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Category:Beabadoobee
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary per
WP:OCEPON with too little content, especially since the songs and songs written categories each only contain one article and it's the same article at that. Existing subcats are sufficiently linked. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me04:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I fail to see why this should be deleted. WP:OCEPON itself states: "Eponymous categories named after people should not be created unless enough directly related articles or subcategories exist." Now there are 4 categories (
the established convention) within the main category, correct? By my understanding, whether or not enough articles exist is irrelevant in this instance, as there are enough subcategories to justify the category's creation. The number of items within specific categories mentioned could almost certainly be expanded—
several singles have charted and are
notable enough to have their own articles. Forgive the lengthy reply, I'm just confused.
Sean Stephens (
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05:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
How does this aid navigation with only 4 distinct articles total? More song articles wouldn't justify an eponymous category because they'd all be placed in the songs subcategory anyway. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me05:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. If there are only four articles (one album, one EP, one song and her BLP) to categorize, then an eponymous category isn't necessary. Where something like this becomes warranted is in the case of someone like
Category:David Bowie,
Category:Leonard Cohen or
Category:The Beatles, who are so highly meganotable that there's a lot of spinoff content that warrants artist-related categorization while falling outside of the standard albums/songs/BLP scheme: they have to consider not just albums and songs, but documentary films and books about them, tribute albums to them, independently notable members of their immediate families, people who are notable specifically as collaborators (Lenny's constant parade of female backup singers, Brian Epstein, Mick Ronson, etc.), filmographies, spinoff award lists, and all kinds of other stuff that does not fit into any of the standard "artist albums" or "artist songs" categories but still needs artist-related categorization regardless. That's when an eponymous category becomes warranted. But if all an artist has for spinoff content is the bog-standard albums/songs categories, where the BLP is already linking to the song and the album anyway, then an eponymous category is not justified yet. If this were all it took, then every musician who has an article at all would automatically have to have a dedicated eponymous category, which is not useful and does not help to facilitate navigation.
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Category:Edinburgh Festival Fringe venues
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Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of North Carolina
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