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The result was delete. Shimeru ( talk) 20:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

FiveBooks

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Article about a non-notable company, created by an account associated with the company. No sign of significant coverage in reliable sources. RL0919 ( talk) 23:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Dear editors, FiveBooks is a new website, maybe it is not so notable yet, but it is growing. FiveBooks was a part of www.thebrowser.com before and separated on the 8th of March 2010 as an independent website. FiveBooks has a coverage by english language newspapers , such as Moscow Times, St.-Petersburg Times, Khaleej Times, Prospect Magazine UK and some others. Also a translated interview into German with Hans Ulrich Orbist should appear here: http://www.edition-nautilus.de/programm/belletristik/buch-978-3-89401-450-6.html , published by Edition Nautilus Publicity, Hamburg.
there are some links of syndicated FiveBooks interviews in English language papers abroad:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/arts_n_ideas/article/robert-services-top-5-books-on-totalitarianism/399087.html
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=30758&highlight=five%20 books
http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=30783&highlight=five%20 books Thank you, Anon111 ( talk) 13:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)Anon111 — Anon111 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
  • This is a site with really in-depth discussions with top scholars, including Nobel Laureates, about important topical matters. For example, Eric Maskin is interviewed on "Economic Theory and the Financial Crisis", Harvard economist Robert Barro on the "Lessons of the Great Depression." So there's a ton of those - and there are few other resources like this - sort of blending the academic with accessible journalism (well accessible to the general reader) I think the entry needs to be written up better, to show the significance of the site, but not deleted... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.170.130 ( talk) — 74.39.170.130 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment - I don't think that the quality of the content of the website is questioned here or that it might be quite notable at some time. But right now, it doesn't seem to have significant coverage per WP:GNG. For instance is there a reliable secondary source that describes what FiveBooks is in detail? -- JokerXtreme ( talk) 16:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
By the way, the article about The Browser has issues itself. I've added some tags there. -- JokerXtreme ( talk) 08:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Dear JokerXtreme, thank you for your comment. Isn't that a tough bar for a website (or newspaper)? The focus is always on what they're covering rather than what they are - even if it's the New York Times. The site's interviews have been cited in a major economics journals, now appear UK intellectual magazine Propsect ( http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/03/fivebooks-trevor-philips/) and have been translated into Chinese, in the economics magazine, Bijiao. I'm not sure that the fact that none of these undertake a huge analysis of what exactly Fivebooks is (especially given it's pretty obvious) means it isn't notable. (there are some more links related to FiveBooks- about the site: http://www.raphkoster.com/2010/03/16/fivebooks-on-games/; syndicated FiveBooks interview: http://www.mbsadr.com/arabic/pages/mozakerat.php?nid=6) Anon111 ( talk) 10:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)Anon111 reply
  • Delete Weak delete Delete as wp:spam, see my comment below. Interesting idea, might take off eventually. But for now, it is still just an interesting idea, not notable by Wikipedia's criteria. The connection with Prospect is exactly one issue old, and there is almost literally NO coverage on Google. In order to qualify for listing in this encyclopedia, there has to have been "independent recognition in reliable sources". Yes, that may be a tough bar for a website to meet - but if it doesn't meet it, it just doesn't belong in Wikipedia. There have to be standards here, otherwise everybody could post any old thing they want, and Wikipedia's value as a reference would be lost. Sorry, maybe in a few years, but not now. -- MelanieN ( talk) 04:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Thank you for the National Review Online link; I believe that does qualify as a mainstream reference in a reliable source (sure it's a blog, but it's a blog of a major publication). That causes me to change my vote from "delete" to "weak delete". A few more references like that and I would change my vote to keep. And by the way, you said the article should be expanded; why not go ahead and be bold and expand it yourself? For example by adding this reference? -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Comment I am switching back to "delete" after reviewing the history of the page and its author. User:Anon111 is the author of the page, and has made literally hundreds of contributions in the past few months, ALL of them related to FiveBooks or The Browser, with whom Anon111 is affiliated. (See User talk:Anon111). After Anon111 was admonished for personally adding so many external links to the two publications on Wikipedia pages, he/she then began asking third parties to add the external links. [2] IMO we are witnessing a spam-storm here. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. There seem to be a number of possible outcomes here, especially as there are two possible communities referred to. Best to close this as NC for the time being to allow further discussion to continue without precluding a further AfD in the future. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Underwood, Ontario

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No references, a population of 100? And is considered part of another community Whenaxis ( talk) 22:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Not sure - Population centers are inherently notable and this appears to be one [3] Having a population of 100 is not a reason to delete an article of a town/village. Many have far less and are still inherently notable. If it was population 50, I'd still vote keep.-- Oakshade ( talk) 23:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) Whoops!. It seems this article is referring to a different Underwood in Ontario. Right now I can't find any info on it.-- Oakshade ( talk) 23:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 02:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. This seems to be an article about two different places. The first two paragraphs deal with what appears to be a neighborhood or housing development in Markham; the last paragraph, with a hamlet that forms part of the municipality of Kincardine. Although the article originally dealt with only the first one, I'm unsure of that one's notability: I can't find mentions of it anywhere except in real-estate sites, and if it's just a subdivision (housing estate), there's a pretty strong AfD tradition of rejecting such places as nonnotable. (The complete lack of relevant Google News hits suggests that it's not a place whose name has " verifiable widespread usage".) The second place, however—which is the one that appears in the Google map linked by Oakshade above—seems to meet our usual requirements for verifiable populated places; it had a separate existence before being incorporated in the municipality in 1999, and there are some sources (for example, this) that could be used to support at least a stub on it. My opinion at the moment is that the article should be kept and rewritten so that its topic is the Kincardine place, but I'd like to hear from someone who is familiar with Markham and can clarify the nature of the Underwood there. Deor ( talk) 12:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The intersection of Steeles Avenue and Birchmount Road [4] doesn't appear to be a unique community. I can't tell where the name "Underwood, Ontario" would have come from [5]; there's an "Underwood Carpet Cleaning" but it isn't anywhere close to the intersection. Although Wikipedia is very generous when it comes to populated communities, there's a tendency for people to want to write about their own neighborhood separately from the community in which they live. Mandsford ( talk) 13:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - The reason why I nominated this article is because I live in Markham, and I've never heard of this community before. I nominated Legacy, Markham, Ontario for AfD because it has no notable areas that I know of. I'm very familiar with the Markham area - and I believe that Underwood (in Markham) should actually be part of the community Milliken. We could also rewrite it so its about the community in Kincardine. Whenaxis ( talk) 22:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - simply "not hearing of this community before" is not a verifiable source of information and not grounds for deletion.-- Nyuarsx ( talk) 23:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Perhaps you should look at it as well. The suggestion that the nomination was made on the grounds of "Simply 'not hearing of this community before'" was what most people would consider to be an attempt at sarcasm. The basis for his nomination was that there were no references and that the article was describing part of another community. Mandsford ( talk) 13:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • That is a direct quotation of the the nominating editor's reason why (with why emphasized in italic): "The reason why I nominated this article is because I live in Markham, and I've never heard of this community before." Making my statement obviously not sarcasm but a direct response to the reasoning of the AfD. -- Nyuarsx ( talk) 01:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
The article would need a rewrite, but you're right, there is what looks like an unincorporated (but populated) community by that name, on Highway 21, northast of Kincardine. Unfortunately, I can't transmit the street view, but the signs marking Underwood are very clear. That would be a keeper. Mandsford ( talk) 20:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Legacy, Markham, Ontario

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No references, no significant and notable areas within community Whenaxis ( talk) 22:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The first book is borderline, but this one clearly fails WP:BK as pointed out. Debatable how notable the author is? Black Kite (t) (c) 00:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

The Logic of Half a Moustache

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (books). Author is not notable. WP:CRYSTAL. Re-create it if it sells enough. Triwbe ( talk) 22:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Sources do not have to be Internet links, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. But I think any modern day biography should have some Internet coverage, preferably at a national level. Normally notability should be at a national or international level. Whether regional sources are sufficient, I do not know and we must let the community decide. -- Triwbe ( talk) 17:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete A short notice in your hometown newspaper of a print-on-demand book doesn't seem sufficient to me. I think the Mahmud Khan article should probably get deleted as well; I'm not at all certain that the first book, in Urdu, wasn't self-published. Brianyoumans ( talk) 14:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Dictionary of Bangladeshi Poetry

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quite simply, it doesn't exist. There's no such thing as a "Dictionary of Bangladeshi Poetry"; this is simply an advocacy page for the creation of such a document. Ironholds ( talk) 21:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete - A3 ("Article has no meaningful, substantive content"). Non admin closure ( pure housekeeping) -- sk8er5000 yeah? 21:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

H-Eugene

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Non-notable musician. Speedily deleted 3 times, recreated in substantially the same form for the 4th time, recommend delete and salt. GregJackP ( talk) 21:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Shimeru ( talk) 20:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Wykked Wytch

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The first AfD ended with no consensus simply because only one editor contributed to the discussion after two relistings. I outlined the history of the article in more detail on the last nomination, but in hopes that a shorter explanation will entice more editors to contribute to this discussion, I will simply state the key issue: Wykked Wytch fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for musical ensembles. Neelix ( talk) 21:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

MusicMight covers every metal band, even if they were a bunch of friends who just cut one demo and split up. In fact, users can register there and add information etc. Therefore, that cannot be used as a source to assert notability. LuciferMorgan ( talk) 12:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
That hasn't always been the case - most bios are from the old Rockdetector site which was not user-editable. The content has also formed the basis of several published books.-- Michig ( talk) 16:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep there is also coverage of a legal dispute over the use of their name such as "Letter of the Law -- Wytch's Brouhaha: Demoness Ipek Clashes With Mark Warlokk --- Obscure American Postal Court Adjudicates Who Gets Their Mail" by Jess Bravin in The Asian Wall Street Journal, 23 July 2001. duffbeerforme ( talk) 04:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep The article is not very good, and seems to be "making the case" rather than providing interesting or informative content, or providing references to support wp:GNG or wp:music criteria #1compliance. However, unless the statements contained are brazen lies (which I doubt)they indicate high likelyhood of the band meeting wp:GNG and wp:music #1. Given this high likelyhood of compliance, give the editors a few months to get this article in better shape with respect to the above... it could be given an AFD test at that time. North8000 ( talk) 00:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Of course you're right. I was thinking that the small overlap would be references in the article establishing the "coverage" aspects of GNG and WP:Music #1 of 12, but even that (references establishing coverage vs. references to back up the statements in the article)is still a separate issue, as you pointed out. North8000 ( talk) 12:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

About Survival (EP)

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Contested Prod. Non-notable album (not charted) from non-notable band (no entry on the actual band, though some of the members formed a later band). GregJackP ( talk) 20:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Shimeru ( talk) 20:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Armorial_of_the_Communes_of_Nord-1_(A-C)

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Also nominated:

  • Keep - I have no clue where to go with this. My page was marked for deletion, I wish to contest that, arguments are on the Talk page of my article. I tried the 'preloaded debate', but that sets me up as a seconder of the deletion, as far as I can tell. I have never had to contest a deletion before, so please forgive me if I'm doing this all wrong. David V Houston ( talk) 19:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete four subpages as original ProDder. Proposed deletion reason was "List of as such not notable things. It is logical to add and describe coats of arms to each individual commune article, as has been done. It is not a suitable list for Wikipedia though to have a 4 page, 200K total list of coats of arms of (mostly) small villages in the same region." We have on the one hand the coat of arms in each commune article, with th heraldic description, which is informative and pertinent info. We have a good overview of the coats of arms at [8]. As it is noted at the top of Category:Wikipedia image galleries: "Generally, such a page does not in itself constitute an encyclopedic article. A much wider range of image galleries can be found at the Wikimedia Commons image repository; pages consisting entirely of images are better suited to the scope of that project and it is probably best to create them there." Perhaps a soft redirect from Armorial of the Communes of Nord to the Commons page is an option? When doing this, no information is lost, and people on Wikipedia have a good way of finding the info, without us duplicating the work done at Commons. Fram ( talk) 06:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I don't have any strong objection to keeping the articles, as they are properly sourced and the topic appears to be notable. I think we should, however, explore the idea of transitioning this over to commons - as Fram rightly notes, they do the image gallery thing pretty well over there. But there need be no urgency. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 16:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Tempora Heroica

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The only secondary source provided is a forum post, which is not a reliable source. A Google Books search does show it mentioned in "Archipelagoes: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases", but be aware that this cites Wikipedia as a source, so again not usable. Web search shows the usual directory entries and self-published works. Marasmusine ( talk) 19:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

There's something deeply shady going on with those "Webster's Quotations" entries in Google Books with all the Wikipedia material. There's a lot of them, their supposed titles are apparently random words, and they come up for all kinds of searches. — chaos5023 ( talk) 17:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Those books are computer-generated, and, as they are print-on-demand, most of them probably don't actually exist physically - see Philip M. Parker. Phil Bridger ( talk) 11:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Unable to find any RSes. — chaos5023 ( talk) 19:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    Keep - Notable by longevity and publication (Archipelago codebase, as noted by Hobo Dave); Usenet suffices to establish longevity, self-publication suffiices to demonstrate publication. — chaos5023 ( talk) 19:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Detete - Can't find any significant coverage -- Teancum ( talk) 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Niche notable MUD trees (Archipelago) -- Hobo Dave ( talk) 7:57:55, Apr 13 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete. None of the "keep" opinions offered address the total lack of coverage in independent reliable sources. I have spent some time looking for such sources, but can find none. Longevity and self-publication are not reasons to have an encyclopedia article about a subject. Phil Bridger ( talk) 19:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    The issue with the Archipelago codebase isn't simply that they self-publish something, it's that they publish one of the codebases other MUDs use. I don't anticipate that changes your position, but I wanted to note it. — chaos5023 ( talk) 23:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    Can you explain a bit further? I'm looking at [9] and [10], but struggling to see how they qualify for WP:V, let alone lend weight to WP:N. Marasmusine ( talk) 07:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    With the TH document, we're using a self-published source for information about itself, which WP:RS is okay with. Obviously that doesn't establish notability by coverage, but it seems to me that codebase publication argues for notability. The r.g.m.a post doesn't seem to contribute much, though I am kinda vaguely waving my hands at the issue of whether anybody actually uses this codebase they publish, and possibly documentation that they were publishing it 11 years ago helps with that. [11], while again not counting for coverage, documents that it existed in August 1994, and there I'm claiming that being 16 years old is a big deal for an online game, which I don't think is a completely crazy position. Obviously both these arguments require a non-legalistic approach to notability; if one wishes to simply apply the General Notability Guideline and have done, then we still have no independent RS coverage and the article is still out of luck. — chaos5023 ( talk) 12:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. There is no such thing as "partial" notability or partial compliance to both meeting retention. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 16:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Clara Chu

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Delete - Article whose subject fails to meet the relevant notability guideline, see especially WP:BIO and Wikipedia:Notability_(academics).

  • No independent reliable sources have shown that this person has made a significant impact in their impact in their scholarly discipline.
  • The awards cited are not highly prestigious.
  • This person is not a member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association.
  • This person's scholarship has not impacted a substantial number of academic institutions.
  • This person does not hold an endowed or distinguished chair.
  • This person has not held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at an academic institution or major academic society.
  • There is no evidence this person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
  • This person has not been editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area.
  • This person is not in the field of literature or fine arts that meet the standard for notability in that art. See WP:CREATIVE or WP:MUSIC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Destitute ( talk • contribs)
  • Keep – I believe Ms. Chu meets our requirements as an expert, under the Nobility guidelines, for inclusion here at Wikipedia. I was impressed with her scholarly works, as shown here at Google Scholar [12] and found some impressive interviews at Google Books as shown here [13]. In addition, there were a few interviews at Google News as provided here [14]. Each taken independently, would probably not warrant inclusion. However, taken as a whole, I believe meets our standards. Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 19:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver seren C 19:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


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The result was speedy delete (done by R'n'B) as G3 (Blatant hoax) - Non admin closure ( Pure househeeping) -- sk8er5000 yeah? 22:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Alvin_and_the_Chipmunks_3:_The_Chipmunk_Rampage_(film)

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I brought this because an IP removed the prod. The reason is ..notability.., I would have to say notability is premature in this case and utterly unverifiable. No links on google. 20th century fox shows no listing under future releases (which lists movies up to november). this article should be deleted. If its real.. someone else will re-add it with sourced accurate info as the production moves forward. I do want to point out that IMDB does show a 3D Alvin and the Chipmunks in development for release in 2011 and that all. there is almost no other info even on IMDB (and the movie is supposed to be released in a matter of days) and not even the name of the article cannot be verified. Also the original poster has been blocked indefinatly for making fake articles like "Reasons why Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia Sucks". Tracer9999 ( talk) 18:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy delete per CSD G3 (blatant hoax) or CSD G5 (creation by blocked user). Erik ( talk) 18:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete for failing WP:V. Can't find this film outside Wikipedia and its mirrors. Possible hoax. Definitely not notable. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • CommentDelete. Alvin and the Chipmunks 3D is a real project, announced by Fox around March 10. A March 10 Variety article says "Studio has set a release date of Dec. 16, 2011 for "Alvin and the Chipmunks 3D." [16] and this news has been picked up in various media, e.g. [17]. The "Rampage" title is quite possibly made up, as may be the references to a 4th and 5th film. Maybe Per comments by Erik and Accounting4Taste, it is best to delete and start over. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 18:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) switching to Delete Arxiloxos ( talk) 21:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
No disagreement here. Formally switching to delete.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 21:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy close. No argument for deletion presented, article has been redirected per WP:BAND.

Xavier Muriel

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I recommend a redirect to Buckcherry, his current band. This musician has been associated with several notable people (though not the actor Robert Wagner, as indicated by an incorrect blue link), but there are few verifiable sources to indicate notability on his own. DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 18:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Because redirect is often the outcome of an AfD discussion. And in this case the article has an extensive history so more discussion would be beneficial. But I'll do the redirect myself. DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 14:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Morris

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The result was early close due to blanking. Bearian ( talk) 00:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Business Report

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See WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a manual or textbook. &dorno rocks. ( talk) 15:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Herman Kore

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Football player who has not played at a fully professional level and therefore fails the WP:ATHLETE guideline; also fails WP:N. He appears to play for a French amateur club at present. The prod notice was removed without explanation. I suspect this article (like others) is an advert by an agency. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 15:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Kandar Chappargram

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I can only find five hits total for "Kandar Chappargram" on Gogole, two of which are Wikipedia. I can't even verify the existence of this. Guy ( Help!) 14:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Chappargram

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Repeatedly recreated article at Chappargramies (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and with repeatedly recreated articles on some of the listed families, by a sockpuppet-using block-evading user. This is a village so nto technically eligible for A7 but there are only 43 Google hits for this place and Google Maps knoweth it not. I don't know if it's a hoax, a local name for somewhere usually known as something else, or just seriously obscure, and the sources in the article don't help. Because there aren't any. See also Kandar Chappargram, whose existence I can't verify. Guy ( Help!) 14:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. It took some searching, but there is a more detailed map created in 2005 for relief organizations [19]. Chhapargram (with double 'h') can be found at the bottom (below 34.7 N and between 73.0 an 73.1 E). Googeling on the double-h spelling does show some references, but nothing substantial. Article appears very much 'original research' based. Kandar ( [20]) appears to be a sub-town of Chhapargram, according to the wiki-entry. Zero hits in combination with the double-h spelling. Both towns/villages appear to be located in the Ajmera county ( [21]) which does have a geo-location mentioned. Main Google hit can be found on [22], which appears to have some similar sounding text as the Battagram article. This wiki article appears to be the base article for the fragmented stubs floating around (the 'see also' list on that page seems to be a main level list linking to several of the pages having been up for speedy deletion). Several articles have been replaced by a redirection to the Battagram article ( [23] [24], [25]). Overall a set of fragmented stubs without much potential, IMHO, to expand to separate articles. Most of the information could be included in the Battagram main article, instead of separate pages, assuming that it is not 'original research' and well referenced. Rwos ( talk) 15:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Chappargram is in Battagram district of North West Frontier Province, Pakistan. Here in the US we have articles for unincorporated areas where there is population of more than 2500 - Census Designated Places. E.g Eastgate, Washington. Someone listed Chappargram on Wikimapia [26]. It has a population of more than 7,200, which is significant next to what it takes to list a CDP with the Census Bureau here in the US. It needs a bit more documentation and references, but should not be deleted.  kgrr talk 17:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • You have a reliable independent source for that? I can't even find the equivalent of a census bureau entry for this, we can't even verify the spelling. Guy ( Help!) 19:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply


  • Delete or redirect/selectively merge to Battagram. The article consists of unverifiable original research. The Google results show no reliable information about the subject: [27]. Suspiciously, the search engine also has no results for the Pashto name [28] and only two possible results for the Urdu name [29] of the village. One of them appears to be a blog; the other one [30] seems trivial and possibly unconnected to the subject: "In the Punjab خصوصیٞمحلہ بٹگرامٟنمائندہ چھپرگرام girls' primary school تعمیرکیاجائے squalid Mohalla Punjab while talking with newspaper representatives, said that our localities میںگرلز primary school, we are deprived of زیورتعلیم girls of NWFP we authorities are to appeal to the federal system that our girls from the زیورتعلیم to ornate approved the school." [31] — Rankiri ( talk) 14:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I saw these sources yesterday. In [34], "Chappergram" is the name of a school. It's possible that the school is named after the village, but for all we know, it can also be located anywhere in Battagram. [35] only mentions the Chappergram ARMY Camp. Saying that the source confirms the existence of the village is WP:SYNTH. In addition, none of these sources deal with the problem of WP:OR. — Rankiri ( talk) 15:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, Village exists if we look here (listed on a government website), it lists a polling booth, in the Government Primary school in Chappargram, the same page also lists another one in the Government Primary school in Ajmera (so it is not the name of the school but the location. Also if you look at the "Area / Village / UC Name" column it lists Chappargram - thus this is not the name of a school but of a verifiable settlement. Pahari Sahib 12:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I have no doubt that the village/settlement exists, but is that enough to warrant a separate entry? Looking at the map I referenced earlier [36], should each settlement have a separate entry? I am not sure if there is a wiki policy for geographical locations, and I know that there are other geographical locations that are included in wikipedia, like Kramer Junction (as a bad example of why a location should be included), but should there not be a reason to include a location? For example Booligal, population 212 (as a good example of why a location could be included). Notability? Other references that have provided this notability to avoid original research articles on wikipedia? Rwos ( talk) 14:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

How the Stats Really Stack Up: Cosleeping Is Twice As Safe

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No reason to think that this paper published in what seems to be a non-peer-reviewed journal is of any notability -- possibly qualifies as original research Accounting4Taste: talk 14:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete - Non-notable paper. If it is kept it needs to be stubbed as most of the article appears to be about the author rather than the article itself. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 15:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as a point of view fork from Co-sleeping and as an article about a non-notable paper. Edison ( talk) 19:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the notability of the subject is not apparent. Put simply, this fails WP:N due to the lack of reliable independent sources that even mention the subject, let alone provide significant coverage. In fact, I could find only a single reference to the article in a reliable source ( here), and that merely cited the article - it did not offer detailed information about the article as a subject in its own right. As a general rule, I would suggest that very few articles should have WP articles about them (with the possible exception of highly notable articles such as Einstein's On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies); most articles simply aren't that notable in the grand scheme of things, and this magazine article is no exception. Jakew ( talk) 19:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per the above. The subject of Co-sleeping is quite notable, and our article on the subject appears to be neutral and well-sourced. If this paper meets our reliable source policies, then we should include it there. But the paper itself isn't notable, and shouldn't have its own article. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. I've userfied the article for the requesting author Black Kite (t) (c) 00:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

City of Canterbury budget 2010−2011

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Unencyclopaedic article about one budget of hundreds of a district council. Reads like a political propaganda piece and doesn't actually give due balance to the overall budget itself. Coatrack article, etc. GTD 14:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

@ George The Dragon: at the same time as proposing the deletion, you removed all reference to the budget from Whitstable Museum and Gallery, yet that one is the only one to have been physically affected by the budget so far. Some of the exhibits described in the article were removed to make the space cited in the budget proposal. The other institutions affected by the budget all need a note and citations to say that the Council has voted to close them in in 2011, after a year's reprieve. The images will have to be re-categorised. These tasks will not be difficult so long as the Budget article remains so that I can copy citations, but the task will be time-consuming.-- Storye book ( talk) 10:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

List of famous movies

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Per WP:SALAT, this is an inappropriate topic for a stand-alone list. The list is too broad in scope and, assuming it continues to expand, will become too long to have any value. Moreover, the criteria for films' inclusion in the list are completely subjective; the word "famous" is too vague and open to interpretation. Besides that, this appears to be one user's opinion of which movies are famous enough to be included on this list; this is clearly not encyclopedic and violates WP:OR and WP:NPOV. Finally, please note that (a) this list has been moved by its creator from its original title, List of movies and tv shows on Internet Movie Database, and (b) this article's proposed deletion was contested by its creator. A Stop at Willoughby ( talk) 14:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Kvno1jrc jalandhar cantt

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Schools are always notable, and I do not know much about Indian dialects, but I doubt this string of letters with a number in it corresponds with the foreign name of any school. Blue Rasberry 13:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep, nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) A Stop at Willoughby ( talk) 14:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Bruce Tutvedt

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fails WP:POLITICIAN, un-notable politician Dlabtot ( talk) 13:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Shimeru ( talk) 21:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Racism in Iran

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Currently hopeless WP:OR and no sources at all but does not meet speedy deletion criteria. Guy ( Help!) 13:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Week keep. I agree that the article is currently full of unsourced OR... but the usual google searches indicate that sources do exist on the topic, and these can be used to fix this problem. Blueboar ( talk) 13:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 14:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Article would need a fundamental and total rewrite to be useful. I concur that the topic has potential, but in cases where there is nothing worth saving in the article I believe the typical course of action is deletion. That said, if anybody does make a good stab at improving this (and I may hop over to the article and see if it can be stubbified in some way), I'll go the weak keep route on this. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ bomb 14:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete with a but- send it to the incubator, if, as Blueboar states, there's a viable article to be had on the topic, then it behooves us to write one that conforms to neutrality, notability, and verifiability standards.. This article, isn't it, however, and shouldn't be sitting in mainspace. Nuke the article as is, and allow incubation for creation of a viable article. Umbralcorax ( talk) 15:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Joe Ann McGowan

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Delete: Unsourced bio, mostly impossible to read gibberish . Appears to be some sort of machine translation. Marokwitz ( talk) 12:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. The only keep that actually adressed this article, instead of all bus route articles, changed to "redirect" on closer examination of the sources available. So among the people discussing this article, and not some general principle, the consensus is clear that it should either be deleted or redirected. Anyone wanting to create redirects after the deletion is free to do so of course. Fram ( talk) 14:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply

London Buses route 231

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Another non-notable London bus route. This one had been tagged with {{ notability}} and {{ unreferenced}} since May 2009, and a few hours ago both tags were removed in this edit which added some refs but nothing approaching evidence of notability.

Per WP:GNG, notability is established through substantial coverage in reliable sources, and there is no evidence of that for this route.

There is already a List of bus routes in London, so after deletion this title could be re-created as a redirect to the list. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC) reply

The assessments there seem pretty shoddy. For example, this comment praises London Buses route 187, but I see no evidence there of notability. Meanwhile, Jeni contested a series of PRODs for West Midlands bus routes for which there was no evidence of notability. If WikiProjects don't follow accepted standards of notability, then editors really do not have valid grounds for complaint that community-wide forums are used to remove non-notable material. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC) reply

Then why are you choosing to ignore the discussion and mass AfD articles? You have noted in a comment somewhere that the discussion has been ongoing for a week, what you have failed to notice is that there is currently a couple of editors already going through each bus route article, assessing them for notability, adding references where needed and redirecting where notability isn't there. I see this as a pointy nomination more than anything. I'd have thought an admin would be setting an example and contributing to a discussion rather than these rash nominations. Jeni ( talk) 23:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC) reply
I only AFDed 6; I PRODded 13, which you disrupted by removing the PROD without offering any reason to keep the articles. If you persist in disrupting lightweight mechanisms for removing non-notable material, don't accuse anyone else of pointiness. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC) reply
My reasons for removing the prods were very very clear, if you took the time to read the edit summaries (where it is generally accepted that reasons for PROD removal are located). Jeni ( talk) 23:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC) reply
Yes, clarity! Indeed, your reasons for removing the West Midlands PRODs were that you asserted notability for those bus routes, even tho there was no evidence of notability and no claim of notability. Those reasons were indeed clear: clearly nonsense. If you think that this is a notable bus route, it's little wonder that you don't want the wider community to scrutinise the notability of any such articles. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
What relevance does that have to this discussion? Jeni ( talk) 00:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
It's relevant because it is evidence that all your procedural ruses are just a form of disruption, and that your actual purpose is trying to keep non-notable material. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural keep – since there is an on-going discussion elsewhere, please withdraw discussion to that location. The article can be renominated, if necessary, after the conclusion of the current discussion. Imzadi1979 ( talk) 00:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
    I see no discussion of this or any other individual bus route. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep on its own merits. All established bus routes are major features of the local geography, and if an article can be written, it should be; whether they are better merged is a question of style. The information is encyclopedic. . If people look at these articles and decide that they want to keep them, that makes a practical policy of exception to the GNG.There are other ways of showing notability, and it is in fact contrary to the current WP:N guideline to say the the GNG is the only way. Personally, I think trying to remove establish borderline articles is a very poor use of time here, when there are so many important things like unsourced BLPs to attend to, DGG ( talk ) 02:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
    Wikipedia:Notability offers another way only where there are agreed separate guidelines.
    There is a very good practical reason for GNG: that it is an inevitable consequence of the core policy WP:V. Without it, an article can exist only as either original research or as repetition of primary source material.
    In the case of these articles, most of the material is simply unsourced, a situation which is all too common with topics which fail GNG. This article is a good example of that: it has no footnotes, and there is no indication of whether the content is from primary sources, or some unreliable source, or is just something made up. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 03:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Oops, missed this one. Essentially per BrownHairedGirl. GNG is an important guideline and shouldn't discarded lightly. It is important for good reason. Without significant coverage in reliable sources, it is usually impossible to have an encyclopaedic article about a subject that is properly verified. These bus route articles are a case in point: they are littered with original research and for all we know could be totally inaccurate. The reason they are littered with original research is because the reliable sources aren't there. For that reason, the original research is fatal and unsalvageable.-- Mkativerata ( talk) 03:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I may have been wrong to remove the notability tag, but I genuinely felt the route's history was significant enough that it justified an article. After a small expansion and the addition of a new source, I still feel that this is true. See below. Alzarian16 ( talk) 09:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC) reply
    Well done sourcing one of the points in the article, but none of the sources comes anywhere near meeting the test in WP:GNG, of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The article has 3 footnoted sources:
Ref Significant
coverage?		 Reliable
source?		 Independent of
the subject?
http://www.eplates.info/230s.html Yes No Maybe
TfL Bus tender results No Yes No
First Group timetable Maybe Yes No
Comment: While I still support this being kept, even if the majority say delete, it should be merged to a parent article, and the edit history retained, so in the future, someone can dig up what is already written in an old version, and improve upon it. Dew Kane ( talk) 04:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The result was speedy delete. It has become wholly obvious that this article has no basis in truth. Criterion G3 therefore applies. ~ mazca talk 22:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Conor kavanagh

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A football autobiography. It seems that this person once played for Blackburn Rovers' Under 18s,( [37]) which as far as I can tell, doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE. I can't find anything that verifies that he plays for Leeds United. There are a few casual mentions but I can't see any significant coverage that shows that he meets general notability guidelines. Perhaps someone that knows more about football will find something. Beloved Freak 12:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete The article is essentially a hoax. Nobody of this name plays for Leeds United, nor, as far as I can find out, ever has. There is a Conor Javanagh who plays for Clitheroe F.C., a team in a very minor league, and in no way comparable to Leeds United. Nothing else in the article can be verified as far as my searching indicates. JamesBWatson ( talk) 14:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - This may be a speedy but I'm not in any hurry. Agree with nominator. OlYeller Talktome 16:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Shimeru ( talk) 21:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Terri Summers

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  • Delete - I had prodded this article before. There is no indication of notability. EuroPride ( talk) 22:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I don't have time to research it now or in the coming few days but if this is deleted, please userfy it to my user space. I'll try to find a few sources for the claims. Being Pet of the Month in seven countries seems like an unusual thing and if true may be able to be sourced. Dismas| (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I don't think a myspace page counts as WP:RS. Concur with above observations on failing notability guidelines. Respectfully, Agricola44 ( talk) 17:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC). reply
  • Delete I removed the Prod actually. She was Pet of the month in 5 countries and Pet of the Year in the Netherlands, however the only definitive source, Penthouse.com, does not make this information available for free. Pretty frustrating really, but I guess I did not think sources would be this hard to find. If I could figure out what year she posed in Penthouse I could possibly find it on archive.org, but I can't even find that. Please userfy to Dismas, I'll improve it if I feel inclined. - Stillwaterising ( talk) 04:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete CSD A7. Amalthea 13:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Santoshkumar Kammar

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Contested CSD-A7. IP repeatedly removes CSD tags. Not notable person, reads like a resume. GregJackP ( talk) 12:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Nomination withdrawn with no calls for deletion. Non-admin closure. Warrah ( talk) 13:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Anthony Venn-Brown

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Non-notable author. There are sources in the article, but they're either not independent, not in reliable sources (Youtube, a Perth GLBT community newspaper...), or they're minor (a short radio interview on an obscure programme five years ago). I just don't see the sort of independent reliable sources that we'd need to have an article on this fellow. It's not open and shut though, hence bringing it here for further discussion. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn, somehow The Age link didn't come up when I googled for him, but I agree that that does put him over the line. My original rationale no longer holds so I am withdrawing this nomination (but I will allow someone else to close it for the sake of propriety). Lankiveil ( speak to me) 12:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC). reply

  • KEEP : Anthony Venn-Brown (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I am the author of this article and I included an article on Anthony Venn-Brown not just because he was an author but because of his community activism in the gay and lesbian community . And I know that people have been consulting this article in recent days . I don't think we should be excluding articles as reliable sources because they are GLBT newspapers - I think they are a valuable source of information . In terms of the radio program of 5 years ago - I hardly think a nationally broadcast abc radio program is not a valid source although it is now now 5 years old . However I have included some extra/more recent links in the article . I also need advice - Anthony Venn-Brown was recently interviewed on the ABC program - The Hungry Beast - can I include that as a link to the program even though the program can only be viewed by Australian viewers. frollus— Preceding unsigned comment added by Frollus ( talk • contribs)
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Damian Roberts

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Whatever this is supposed to be, it has no place here. If this is a real person, then it's an unsourced WP:BLP failing WP:BIO. Quite possibly simply a hoax that's been here for three years. None of the sources pan out, the article initially claimed that "Damien Roberts played the role of Matt Doran in Home and Away", while actually Matt Doran portrayed a character Damien Roberts in that show.

The image that used to be in the article is File:DamianRoberts portrait 20030425.jpg, now transferred to commons, which is actually a woman from uglypeople.com with a beard painted on, and was uploaded and placed in the article by the original creator.

PROD declined three years ago by the uploader, and wasn't followed up. Let's delete it already. Amalthea 10:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:18, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Arbre

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This is supposedly a disambiguation page, but not even one of the articles it points to is entitled arbre. The rest of the content is a dictionary definition, and of a non-English word at that. I don't see any reason for the page to exist; without it, typing arbre into "Go" gets you search results, which is probably more useful. Trovatore ( talk) 09:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • I just tweaked it a bit to get it into the proper WP:DAB format, what do you think now? Amalthea 11:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    I hadn't read WP:DAB in quite some time, it seems, didn't realize that partial title matches were actively discouraged. Nonetheless though, and even if the three ambiguous topics are only redlinks, it looks useful to me. Page search is particularly helpful for page title matches, not so much with a rather generic word in article bodies. The three redlink topics are only referred to in hits 20, 22, and 82 when searching for "Arbre".
    The question is whether a DAB page should provide navigation between standalone articles, or between topics. I've no real opinion on the partial matches, and the See-also link to Baum should almost certainly be removed. But even if it's only the three redlinks and the wiktionary connection (and personally I would bring back the '[...] is the French word for " tree" and [...]' bit) I think it's a useful DAB page, for someone who actually looks up that word in search for one of those meanings, more so than a page search. Amalthea 09:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep certainly the first 3 entries meet MOS:DABRL, although the later ones appear to be partial matches. Boleyn2 ( talk) 14:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Comment The redlink entries, and the partial-match entries, would be reasonable inclusions if there were a reason to have a disambig page in the first place. But can a disambig page be justified when there are only redlinks and partial matches??? I don't think so; I've never seen one like that, and I don't think it's a good precedent. -- Trovatore ( talk) 18:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Very nice job on Amalthea's part there, it looks like a real disambiguation page now and works fine. Silver seren C 18:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Comment: I see only keep !votes, but not a single one of them has offered a rationale why it's better to have this page than not have it. I thought the purpose of disambig pages was to help people navigate among pages that would otherwise share the same name. When there is not even a single existing page that would plausibly named arbre, it seems very strange to me to have a disambig for the term. -- Trovatore ( talk) 19:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
There are multiple articles, as the page shows, that have to do with the word "Arbre" and it is good for Wikipedia to have a disambiguation page for readers to find the one they are looking for. Silver seren C 20:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Why is it good? Isn't that what the search engine is for? The existence of a page called arbre short-circuits the search engine from redlinks and from "Go". -- Trovatore ( talk) 20:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Um, that's what disambiguation pages are for. Read WP:DISAMBIG. We use them in order to direct readers to various articles that may fall under an ambiguous term. Silver seren C 20:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
But the term is not ambiguous, not in the sense of having multiple articles that would naturally be called arbre! What you have is, some articles that mention the word arbre, and two things that plausibly could be articles called arbre, but aren't. The wording I remember for the purpose of disambiguation pages is something like to help readers navigate among articles that have the same name. This wording appears to have been changed — how much was this discussed? I think the old wording is better. -- Trovatore ( talk) 20:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
The reason it was changed was because there are some articles that have a slightly different or longer name that is not exact, but still relates to the overall topic. So just having disambiguation pages have those that have the "same name" cuts out a significant amount of articles that readers may be looking for. This is why it was changed. Silver seren C 21:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Can you point me to that discussion? I don't see it on the talk page of WP:DISAMBIG. -- Trovatore ( talk) 08:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - have added redlinks for the 2 Belgian places. One of them was already linked (just as Arbre) from List_of_twin_towns_and_sister_cities_in_France, so I've fixed that link. PamD ( talk) 08:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - dab pages fulfill a more refined role than a string-match search. If I type "Arbre", it is very handy for me to see a list of pages that are called—or could be called—Arbre, not just an undifferentiated set of pages that happen to have the string arbre in them. A redlink/bluelink entry might even point me to a page that does not currently have the target string at all, leading me to a closely-related page to the topic I'm interested in, even if that topic is not at this point specifically covered by its own WP article. (And perhaps encouraging me to add material about that topic.)
Note that if none of the redlinked entries had an appropriate bluelink, this role would not be fulfilled, and the entries should be removed per WP:MOSDAB, at which point the page itself might collapse into nothingness. This does not seem to be the case here.-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 14:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Chon ma'aronim

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Someone added the comment "The above is a prank article with no connection to any known ceremony in any known religion or ethnicity." on March 26 at the bottom, and then today blanked the article and replaced it with "I have deleted what was clearly a prank article with no connection to any known ceremony in any known religion or ethnicity". Clearly an editor who doesn't know about AfD, so I've brought it here for them instead. I'm currently neutral myself, because I haven't done any checking yet. -- Boing! said Zebedee 09:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete A7 - Article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject, by JzG. Non-admin close. Beloved Freak 12:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Superior Webbs

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I doubt that publication in a single magazine in a single state is enough to meet WP:BAND Wintonian ( talk) 08:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

? just looks like Artists trying to get their name out, what do you care? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adw151515 ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) — Adw151515 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

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The result was nomination withdrawn. The only editor who commented in favour of deletion has changed his !vote to "weak keep", and the nominator has stated that he wishes to withdraw. ( non-admin closure) Intelligent sium 02:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply

K. V. Mathew

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Contested prod. An attempt it made on the talk page to address the criteria of WP:PROF, but they fail to pass muster. Previous deletion discussions have suggested that Principals of theological colleges are not inherently notable. StAnselm ( talk) 08:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


Claim: WP:PROF #1 is met by 11 citations. HOWEVER, we generally require hundreds of citations, or a reasonable h-index.
Claim: WP:PROF #3 is met by membership of the Society for Biblical Studies in India. HOWEVER, this is a non-notable society (per the AfD discussion of its article), and nowhere near the "highly selective and prestigious" nature of the National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society demanded by #3.
Claim: WP:PROF #4 is met by having supervised doctoral students. HOWEVER, this is part of being an ordinary academic, and does not make "a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions." -- Radagast3 ( talk) 22:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Additional arguments for notability would be the principalship of two theological colleges: Mar Thoma Theological Seminary, Kottayam from 1981-1986 (unsourced) and of Dharma Jyoti Vidyapeeth, Faridabad from 2000-2002 (we have generally leaned away from taking short-term principalships of theological colleges as satisfying WP:PROF #6, but there have usually been some people who disagreed) and his role as Secretary of the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church (an argument outside of WP:PROF). I don't believe the latter is a notable position: the article on the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church does not mention a Secretary role. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 01:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Buried at the bottom of the article, I note a festschrift in his honour, and on the strength of that I'm switching to "weak keep." The article needs a great deal of work, however. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 04:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
What a poorly written article! Why wasn't that in the main body of the text? Yes, the festschrift would (almost) qualify him under WP:PROF, though the guidelines say that it's not usually sufficient by itself. But given the other considerations, I'm happy to withdraw my nomination. StAnselm ( talk) 04:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I think keep. Has a number of publications. Appears to be notable. Bio probably needs work to eliminate nn awards, that sort of thing. bio has had a number of contributing editors, as I recall. Supervising doctoral students should not qualify for bio, by itself. Expected, as mentioned above. Student7 ( talk) 11:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Having said that, it isn't "publications" that should be counted, but rather how often they are cited by other academics/researchers. I'm getting 400+ hits on google, but a lot of those are bio sketches. There are people who track this sort of thing. Be nice if we could see that list. India is not high on the list of articles with 40 or more citations in all fields, not just theology. Student7 ( talk) 01:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- Looks to me as if he is probably a notable academic. Ghits are probably not a good means of judging things in countries where the Internet is less established than in the West. There are a lot of Christians in India and it is appropriate that theri leading acadmics should have articles. I have pruned off some of the succession nox items, where it is unlikely that predecessors or successors will be notable, or where it is an appointment without a clear succession. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- Agree with previous comments. Keep. However, I would prefer if this article was renamed to reflect his full name rather than initials for first and middle name. It adds consistency and makes it more readable. If he was popularly known as KV Mathew then we can mention that in parentheses in the article summary. Another point: Is Mathew the correct spelling? Seems unusual. Pranay Da Spyder ( talk) 11:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Note that the nom has withdrawn the nomination. As to the name, "Mathew" seems to be correct. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 12:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Cool, thanks. What about renaming the article? Are there any guidelines for that? Pranay Da Spyder ( talk) 16:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Tone 21:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Matt Fincham

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Contested prod. Reason given for the proposed deletion was "No independent third party sources provided to establish notability". I would agree that there are significant problems. WP:NOTE says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." This subject doesn't seem to meet that criteria. Of the three referenced web sites, only one is unconnected to the subject and that only includes the subject in a list, it doesn't provide significant coverage. To conclude, I don't think this subject meets the notability criteria and so I think it should be deleted.

I would note that this article, and its proposed deletion has been mentioned on BBC Radio 1 (Hello Scott Mills). Listeners were encouraged to try to campaign against the deletion. For the assistance of anyone unfamiliar with how deletion discussions work on Wikipedia, it is important to realise that they are not simply votes. Ideally anyone participating here should explain their opinion with reference to what the relevant Wikipedia policies say. The admin who closes this discussion won't simply count the votes but will instead make an assessment of the arguments made for and against with reference to Wikipedia policies. Adambro ( talk) 08:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete I was the admin who first identified the problem with this. There is little need for me to duplicate Adambro's considered and accurate reasoning. It breaches WP:BLP by not containing references to independent reliable sources. It fails Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Basic_criteria. The JPS talk to me 08:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. WP:SPIP says, "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself... have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it." That hasn't happened here - we have artificial promotion from a show in which Fincham is involved. And being followed on Twitter does not make one notable either. Of course, if any visitors wish to add reliable, independent sources, they are most welcome. StAnselm ( talk) 09:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete being one of the lead campaigners in the effort to save this articles, I spent a LONG time (probably too long considering my dissertation is due in soon) searching the Internet for independent coverage. I can confirm that there genuinely is none, besides the one fact about twitter I found. hence my decision is for this articles deletion. -- Kingsmill ( talk) 10:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 13:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I'm not seeing any independent coverage that would provide evidence of notability. The closest thing there is to a claim of notability here is 'he is also the second highest producer of British radio on twitter being topped only by Rachel Jones' - except that Rachel Jones is itself a redirect, as 'large number of Twitter followers' is not by itself grounds for notability. As it is, this is practically an WP:A7 candidate. Robofish ( talk) 17:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I am the original creator of Matt Fincham's Wikipedia account, so I suppose I'm likely to be biased; however, he is well-known throughout the UK and there must be surely be millions of people who know who he is. Furthermore, despite being most famous for the Chris Moyles Show, he has broadcast in some capacity on three previous shows, and it is likely that his fame will increase in the future. Apologies though for not including more references; I used to know Matt vaguely many many years ago and consequently did not rely on references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Discombobulating ( talk • contribs) 01:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I can find nothing about him other than trivial mentions, and the aforementioned comments about Twitter. "It is likely that his fame will increase in the future" isn't a reason to keep; Wikipedia's not the BBC staff directory, and there are literally tens of thousands of people who appear on the 59 radio stations and 24 TV channels that make up the bloated beast that is the BBC. –  iride scent 01:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Twitter ratings are not accepted to establish notability. Johnuniq ( talk) 08:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to List_of_names_for_the_Biblical_nameless. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible)

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This is a blatant POV fork of List of names for the Biblical nameless, after no consensus was reached at Talk:List of names for the Biblical nameless#The Martyrdom of the seven brothers and their mother. StAnselm ( talk) 08:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Since it was made clear that List of names for the Biblical nameless concentrates only on the Hebrew Bible, we would be doing our readers an injustice by having incomplete information and not including the books that that article omits. As the article creator previously stated, a complete encyclopedia should include all pertinent information, which includes the Catholic Bible as well. If there's still any POV issues I'm sure a change of article title to something more neutral can rectify that. -- œ ™
Actually, nobody was taking that position. Rather, some editors (including me) were saying that the Deuterocanonical books should appear in List of names for the Biblical nameless in their own section, rather than being mixed with the Hebrew Bible (since they were never written in Hebrew, and are not accepted by Jews as part of their scriptures). -- Radagast3 ( talk) 04:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment That was discussed, but the author of this new article did not want that - here he says, "I could not see a section entitled Deutroconical & Apocrypha, grouped together as one section, giving credence to them as appendages, whereas Deutroconical are an essential part of The Bible for me." Hence, no consensus was reached, and this article was created as a POV fork. StAnselm ( talk) 22:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


  • Keep. As I have already said, for a Catholic, the Bible contains a number of Books and sections of Books that are not in the Hebrew Bible. No agreement could be reached to their inclusion in the original article page. As I have already said the apocryphal are utterly seperate from deuteroconical and have a seperate history. An Encyclopaedia should have a comprehensive coverage on all subjects. I have taken the subjects from a scholarly point of view and have shown clear references to well known Exegets work on these subjects. I created the article as no alternative was open to me or others, and you yourself said to me you wanted closure on this issue to get on with your lives (StAnselm). This article is not meant as a fork but as a complement to, as no agreement could be found. I have not covered the same material that is covered already in the List of names for the Biblical nameless, hence, it List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible), is not a fork but a complement to. The material covered in List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible), is only the most obvious, and leaves the many others to when/if agreement has been reached.
You say that anyone can edit the List of names for the Biblical nameless, yet when someone attempted, their edit was deleted even more than, I think, three times. And no way forward was open to any additions, or any ammendments. This gave me no alternate but create a new page, and on scholarly lines.
Hence, I say keep the Article page until a clear agreement/alternative is reached, otherwise we are bordering on a sensorship.
I proposed catagories on the lines:
1/ Hebrew Bible
2/ Deutroconical
3/ New Testament including Revelation
4/ Apocryphal
But even this was unacceptable. Please do remember that deutroconical literature are an intrical part of the Bible for a Catholic, and cannot be confused with apocryphal. To propose a section made up of both together is offensive to a Catholic and according to the talk page it is offensive to The Orthodox Churches. I have heard and headed the Orthodox feed-back.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
The difficulty I had with your fourfold division, is this: Does "apocryphal" include books that are not included in the canon of any Christian church? If so, in what meaningful way can those books be said to be "biblical"? StAnselm ( talk) 23:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I proposed this article page on the talk/proposal pages at least for a week prior to creating it.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Obviously, if you started it in your own user space ( User:Bernard Mc Nally/List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible)), that's your business. StAnselm ( talk) 23:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Yes, I note the rejection of good advice from œ ™ about notifying the creation of this article. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 09:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
From a scholarly point of view, a lot of Books / Literature had to be autentacated to be cretatable. Hence, the history of its acceptance is important. In The Letter to The Hebrews, tradition accepted it was sourced to Saint Paul. The content of the material itself is a crediable point, and this is were the study of Hermeneutics comes in. (see: The Jerome Biblical Commentry, Article 71, Hermeneutics, Raymond E. Brown, S.S.).&.(Epistle to The Hebrews, Article 61, Myles M. Bourke)
Apocryphal literature, would always remain a source of study, for this literature is defined as of uncertain origin. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a particular example, see: (The Jerome Biblical Commentry, Article 68, Apocrypha; Dead Sea Scrolls; Other Jewish Literature, Raymond E. Brown, S.S.). Every good Commentry will include all this literature, and any good Encyclopaedia will, too. They all throw light on The Bible. The truly independant sources would be the histories of Pliny and Pliny the Younger. The writing of Jonathan would be questionable if they were Biblical.
I hope I have explained how apocyphal literature is seen as truly Biblical. If you do not assept my word then consult Raymond E. Brown, S.S. in the articles attributed to him as mentioned above and below.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 09:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I highly recommend; Raymond E. Brown, S.S. article 71 on Hermeneutics, considered the best in it's field. The answer to all your questions are to be found here.
Item 54: "...He believes that the literal exegesis of NT texts, limited though they may be, is the exegete's primary theological duty, while the reader's duty is simply to be obedient to what the authors of the NT wanted to communicate as revelation, even if it is quite foreign to the modern mentality (cited in J. M. Robinson, New Hermeneutic, 41). This is meant as an example of the study.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 11:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I can assure you, if something comes to light in history or in Archaeology that throws extra light on the source or authorship of any of the apocryphyal, then you could find them being added to The Bible! I can give you some parallels of this.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 15:30, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I would also suggest that (1) the part of List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible) regarding authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews belongs in that article, and (2) there is limited value in listing all people and angels with no names anywhere. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 04:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
The Angels' names are mentioned in other literature!
The article page is about the Biblical nameless, not their names. Their names could be found in other sources. Why is there such an economy of thought here?
The article page is meant to be a list, rather like a list of contents of a book, etc. Indeed there could be an article page on everyone of the entries, but as a contents list is valuable to a book, so this is to an encyclopaedia and as a spring to study and read further. Have you read The Jerusalem Bible and studied The Jerome Biblical Commentary or others?
If you are so objecting to the apocryphal literature and their inclusion, where do you think we should look for the Angels' names? Or for the names of others? If they are missing from the Bible where should we look for them, and if we do find them could we include them? I feel if I encluded them, with their sources, they would be objected to, too! If I mentioned the Book of Jasher or The Dead Sea Scrolls to a source of missing names and place them in, then surely those who object to apocryphal literature on the grounds that they are not accepted as Canonical by any Church will object. Hence, the reason to keep the page Scholarly.
This article page is meant to be an aid to study further, not as merely a show-piece.


MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Was it not very clear that there was no way forward?
It would appear that any inclusion on the article page would be challenged or removed. Those who do not accept apocryphal literature here would object. Hence, there was no clear way forward, for the names of the nameless in the Bible are all to be found in extra-biblical literature.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 19:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I'm sorry but I'm still having trouble getting a full understanding of the details behind this disagreement. Could you explain once again, clearly and simply for the uninitiated, why a separate section entitled "Catholic books" within the List of names for the Biblical nameless article is unacceptable to you? -- œ ™ 22:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I will try to explain. What you have asked, would be a way forward and would be totally acceptable, to me.
However, it may not be agreeable to all.
When someone attempted to place an entry in List of names for the Biblical nameless, of a family in a Book that is found in a Catholic Bible that are without being named ( 2 Maccabees ), was deleted from the article page. Then the entry was placed back again. This happened approx. three times. The objection was that it was in a catagory for The Hebrew Bible, and it should not be there. Which is understandable. However, no one of deleting attempted to place it in a new category.
However, when I tried to open a discussion about what catagories would be acceptable to all, no agreement could be found.
Someone objected to apocryphal being in (that is Books, not in the Bible, but of uncertain origin). This seemed to be contradictory as the names in the article page all come from this source!
Someone wanted the Books of uncertain origin grouped with Books in a Catholic Bible but not included in the Hebrew Bible (deutroconical). This catagory I could not accept.
Someone wanted unnamed people in the Bible but not named elsewhere not to be included.
Hence, I started a new page of the "nameless", not offering to put in suggestions of their names from other literature. List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible), contrasted with; List of names for the Biblical nameless. These names all come from extra-Biblical sources, by definition. Hence, to object to the use of apocryphl (books of uncertain origin), in the article page is objecting to the article page itself!
Hence, if clear new categories were created in the original article page along the lines of what you have suggested, that would be a way forward. However apocryphal literature is essential to the article page, as how are we going to suggest and source names for them if not from these extra-biblical material?
The new page I started was on scholarly lines, traeting the material from the most sure and trusted commentaries, hence excluding any from mere uncertain origins, or of popular publications and devotional publications.
I hope this is clear, OIEnglish. If not, indicate and I'll try to put it differently.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 23:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I'm still struggling to understand the argument here. The intention of List of names for the Biblical nameless was that it include characters who are unnamed in (some version of) the Bible, but whose names do appear in writings that (from one or other point of view) are extra-Biblical. There are at least 5 different versions of "Bible" that could be used (Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox), but I can't see why the article can't reflect a compromise. A major issue at Talk:List of names for the Biblical nameless was one editor's insistence on including Deuterocanonical works in the "Hebrew Bible" section, but that editor now supports a section on List of names for the Biblical nameless#Deuterocanonical books. Also, if any editor feels that the sources in List of names for the Biblical nameless are not sufficiently scholarly, there are ways of improving the article that don't involve creating a POV fork. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 01:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I just want a clear and safe way forward so we can build up a good article page. But the article page I started is just a List of the nameless. If the deleters had antisipated this and made a new category and placed the item in there, in the original article page, there would not be a problem.
The article page could indeed have categories that are agreeable to all, if only everyone were agreeable and are sensitive to others.
When some were objecting to apocryphia being in the article page on the ground that they were not accepted by any Church, then there was no way forward. The created page was just a list of the nameless not their names so not a fork.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 07:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply

OK.. So that we may move forward.. Bernard already said this is acceptable, now does anyone at all object to having a section titled "Catholic books" within the List of names for the Biblical nameless article? If not then we can merge the relevant information into that section and close this as a merge/delete. -- œ ™ 11:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Wow! Where did that name come from? No, that's a particularly bad section title, since there is a section called "New Testament", which has considerable overlap with "Catholic books". StAnselm ( talk) 13:02, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
How about "Catholic canon" then? Or "Books of the Catholic canon"? There's got to be a section title that both you and Bernard can agree upon. -- œ ™ 15:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
And what about Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox books? Why would we discriminate against them? What's wrong with "Deuterocanonical books," which is the Catholic term for non-Hebrew Old Testament books? -- Radagast3 ( talk) 23:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I'm not sure.. I don't have the answers to those questions, that would be for you subject-matter experts.. I'm just trying to mediate here so we can reach some sort of outcome that all parties can agree upon. -- œ ™ 02:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
And I admire you for attempting it. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 08:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I think the only way forward is to keep the Article page List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible), for even if we get agreement on catagories then would come the names sourced from apocryphal/tradition/& visionaries/ or the Saints/The Fathers of the Church/etc., these would then be objected to, and this stand would be illogical to the very aim of the article page itself, i.e. the names of the nameless.
The Old Testament contains the Catholic Books not in the Hebrew Bible, and there appears to be no objection to the New Testament, until we get to the Book of Revelation! So I think for now there is no way forward and to allow the article page "List of Biblical nameless" for now, perhaps we can build up the page from there.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Perhaps the answer is having a policy regarding deleting, that stipulates that the deleter should try to see a helpful accommodating way where possible.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 22:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
What categories would be worthy of an Encyclopaedia? From the Commentaries I am familiar with there is a proper way to include all sections.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 23:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Bernard, when you refer to "categories", I believe what you are referring to would be the article's "sections". Sections is the commonly used term, Categories in Wikipedia are something different.
I think what the problem is now is that we need to come up with a proper section heading to put your content under, a few section headings have been proposed. Perhaps a way to move forward would be to list all possible section headings and have a poll to reach consensus on which one to use. -- œ ™ 02:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I think we have a consensus here that List of Biblical nameless (Catholic Bible) should be merged into List of names for the Biblical nameless, and the obvious section there is List of names for the Biblical nameless#Deuterocanonical books, which already exists. Debating the section heading there is probably necessary, though a little outside the scope of this AfD: I'm not sure of the best mechanism for doing it. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 06:29, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I think all the relevant material now exists at List of names for the Biblical nameless#Deuterocanonical books. I'm therefore changing my !vote for this article to delete. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 08:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Thank you.
If you delete the page in favour of the (sorry: section); Deutroconical Books, then a short explanation of what they are are, and where the term comes from, would be necessary. Do remember that many dictionaries do get this wrong. The Orthordox Churches do have some extra books here. But also, about the suggested names of the nameless would come from all questionable sources, if everyone is happy with that? Do keep in mind that the subject is the names of the nameless, and they will come from extra-biblical sources.
I do prefer the term; Catholic Biblical Books and sections of Books and the term Orthordox Biblical Books as they are instantly more undestandable, and avoid further confusion over the term deutroconical as it is now used often in confusing ways.
I can cover what different Commentaries give for their different sections. They do cover things from a scholarly context and tend to sweep away all other sources.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 09:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
(1) In Wikipedia we generally use wikilinks for much of the explanation. Distinguishing between Catholic and Orthodox Deuterocanonical books only needs to be done if there are "Biblical nameless" in the Orthodox canon but not the Catholic one. So far we only have 2 Maccabees and Tobit.
(2) In List of names for the Biblical nameless the names have always come from (according to at least someone's point of view) extra-Biblical sources.
(3) I do not understand your comment about Commentaries. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 09:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I did say that I included the most obvious, and kept the rest to when we have a clear way forward.
No. The sections have to be clear to allow for additions, not in a patch-work fashion, and properly defined, otherwise there is no clear way forward.
Some have objected to the inclusion of extra-biblical sources, and material.
Most Commentaries have encountered this problem and catered for it.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I wish you would follow standard indentation conventions on these pages. And I'm not aware of anyone who has objected to extra-Biblical books as a source of names for List of names for the Biblical nameless. However, I think we have now achieved consensus on the topic of this AfD. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 12:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
If you follow the talk page of the original page you will see it.
All I want is the sections to reflect the standard fitting an Encyclopaedia and to follow Scripture study and standards.
"Why have Apocryphal at all as no Church has ever considered them part af their Canon", I remember destinctly the comment.
If you use the term "deutroconical", you need to define it and its use, and indicate its books and part of books.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 12:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
(1) On apocryphal books, I suspect you misunderstood something somebody said.
(2) As I said before, the definition of Deuterocanonical books need not be duplicated from the main article on the topic: all we need is a short explanatory sentence (such as already exists) and a wikilink to express the fact that the definition of Deuterocanonical books used is the one in that article.
(3) As to your implication that List of names for the Biblical nameless does not "follow Scripture study and standards," you should address the issue there, not here. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 13:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
No, I did not say that. I did not say or imply that the article page does not follow correct lines. What I said was that the sections planned for should be correct and follow Scripture study lines. A completely different thought. "All I want is the sections to..." "to", here implies the future.
No, I did not misunderstand, the person was objecting to the use of and inclusion of Apocryphal literature in the article page. I do not and have not objected to this, in fact I have advocated for this.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 14:08, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
If you opt to delete, will there be new sections created in the original article page, or are you going to prevent development of the page? If so how can that be a way forward? You have already deleted an item in Biblical nameless(Catholic Bible), that is clearly sourced and correct in the New Testament, without including it in the original page, on the pretext of tidying-up. How can that be a way forward? The New Testament, The Acts of the Apostles, is in the Catholic Bible. Hence, it would appear that there is no way forward, that good faith is missing?
MacOfJesus ( talk) 18:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
I didn't think there was anything specifically Catholic about the New Testament, since every Christian denomination accepts it. List of names for the Biblical nameless#New Testament was already available. And what new sections do you mean? -- Radagast3 ( talk) 22:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
You have removed the entry of the Letter to the Hebrews, the entry on the Acts of the Apostles, these were correctled cited and an intrical part of The Catholic Bible. You work on an economy system that appears to be your own. No matter what I say no heed is taken.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 08:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews is a separate article of its own. The Ethiopian eunuch can go into List of names for the Biblical nameless#New Testament as soon as we have a name for him. -- Radagast3 ( talk) 09:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
The nameless is the subject. They belong here. How are you going to find his name? This sort of economy of paging is not correct. I cannot assume your good faith. You are pre-empting the decision on the article page before any decision has been made.
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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Not a notable person, plus likely a case of WP:AUTO. bender235 ( talk) 07:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


JFYI: WP:AUTO "applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest." So it does not have to be the subject of an article writing about himself. -- bender235 ( talk) 19:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
It was a joke, lighten up. :P Silver seren C 20:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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FLOXCOM is a commercial software product. A Google search indicates it is lacking notability. Dolphin51 ( talk) 07:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete as copyright violation. Jafeluv ( talk) 08:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Duplication of existing page, which name is spelled correctly as "NorVal White", unoriginal text apparantly copied from linked NYTimes article Gordito666 ( talk) 06:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 16:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Shimeru ( talk) 21:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:ORG. 1 gnews hit [39]. those wanting to keep must provide evidence of actual indepth coverage not say it's notable. LibStar ( talk) 05:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - Significant coverage in reliable independent sources at the Seattle Times, the Herald Malaysia, Agenzia Fides, buckets of sources that are less than significant but sufficient to expand the article, and a WP:BIAS presumption that as the majority of its work is in Thailand there may be foreign-language sources not readily accessible due to (a) them not being in English and (b) low internet access rates in Thailand meaning that hardcopy sources are less likely to be made avaailable online. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 06:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
being from a non English speaking country does not make articles exempt from being nominated for deletion. LibStar ( talk) 06:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • No, but per WP:N it means the article shouldn't be deleted until a serious attempt has been made to determine the existence or otherwise of such sources, which must rise higher than simply a Google search. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 06:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. WP:CSD#A7 JohnCD ( talk) 08:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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PROD removed by author, non-notable author. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 05:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Speedy Delete A7 - This article about a real person does not credibly assert the importance or significance of its subject. She is described as "an unpublished American writer", with her sole work being unpublished, un-notable, and as far as I can tell not even shopped to a publisher yet. There's nothing there capable of meeting WP:N even if sources were found for it. Failing the speedy, delete per WP:N as I am unable to find any coverage (let alone significant coverage) of the author or her book. Note that Ms Stowe's married name is Heather Anne Baker and the article was created by User:Habaker68005. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 06:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Artwork (album). Black Kite (t) (c) 23:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:SONG. The song isn't even a single, and doesn't seem notable in the least. The fact that it has a video doesn't make it notable. — Dæ dαlus Contribs 05:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. I would however suggest that Amerique's idea may be the best way forward here. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Fails the general notability guideline, no significant coverage found. Only one source provided in the article actually mentions the name "Southern Border". TorriTorri( Talk to me!) 03:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - Per WP:N. The area of land in question certainly has an almost infinite amount of significant coverage in reliable independent sources, and a Google search for Southern Border, California reveals that Southern Border is certainly a term in use for describing the relevant area. The alternate name, San Diego-Imperial (or San Diego/Imperial) also seems to be widely used as a distinct term. The nomination isn't actually suggesting the content is non-notable, it's suggesting it's misnamed, so let's can the AfD and discuss a rename at the article's talk page. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 03:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
For instance I live in the East Bay, which consists of Alameda and Contra Costa Counties and is part of the San Francisco Bay Area and Northern California. Should the same detailed information from the articles on each county be duplicated in the other three articles on larger areas? Steve Dufour ( talk) 15:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
And in the case of Southern California why not divide them the other way with San Diego and Orange Counties being the Southern Coast? Steve Dufour ( talk) 15:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The article is mostly a copy-paste of material from the constituent primary articles. The single original source that the whole pastiche hangs on acknowledges that "Imperial County is vastly different from San Diego County, except that the two counties border Mexico. However, that similarity is important for state strategic planning and therefore, necessitates putting both counties in the same region." [40] As no other media links the two counties outside of this limited utilitarian sense, and as the article itself does nothing to inform us as to what these planning purposes are, I would say that this "region" only exists as an administrative abstraction and not as a "region" that residents of either area identify with. Therefore, as per this essay: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Conurbation guidelines, I would move that the article be reduced to stub length with just bulleted links to the constituent county articles until more references can be brought to bear that discuss how these two counties function as a single economic unit. Amerique dialectics 18:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete A Google Book search shows that "Southern Border is rarely used as a collective name for these two counties, and the information is better presented in the individual county areas. In the references in this article "Southern Border" is only used as a section heading in two California state government publications listed as references one and two, and does not appear in any of the other references, so far as I could find. It is not a well defined political or geographical entity besides the two counties it comprises, so the name should not be promoted to a defined geopolitical entity like the "Bay Area," which is universally understood to refer to the San Francisco area, and shows up as an understood geopolitical entity in Google Book Search: [41].Since it is not a common name for the subject of the article, the universal inclusion of geographic entities does not apply. Edison ( talk) 19:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Like Amerique said, mainly copy & paste. OR Do what Amerique says, that sounds like a good plan. House1090 ( talk) 23:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Merge - as per nom and as Amerique's observation. The PDF used as the first reference to introduce and/or cite the article's name fails WP:NNC. While there might be significant coverage alluding to this southern border, it is a convenient manner of referring to two counties. -- Morenooso ( talk) 05:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete We have had this discussion before; see Talk:Southern Border (California). We mostly concluded that there was no need for this article, since the name is not a recognized term and all of the content is duplicated elsewhere. Bottom line: this is simply not a term that is commonly used to mean the counties of San Diego and Imperial, either in popular usage or by the government. (Someone in the previous discussion mocked the idea by claiming facetiously that San Diegans often refer to themselves as "Southern Borderers".) The only citation for the term in the sense used here is in a 2006 state economic report document, which divided the state into regions for purposes of discussion; one of the regions was "southern border". The term finds no other use. To claim, as this article does, that "Southern Border, also known as San Diego-Imperial, is defined by the State of California as the region that consists of California's border counties with the country of Mexico, San Diego County and Imperial County" is way overstating the case; the fact is that the state of California does NOT use the term that way in any consistent or notable fashion. -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete/Merge The "keep" votes above all contain a logical fallacy. For instance, let's look at the statement, "The area of land in question certainly has an almost infinite amount of significant coverage in reliable independent sources". To draw a parallel, Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippin are clearly notable sports figures. Does that mean we should have an article on the two of them together? Maybe we could call it "Jordanzo the Piptasticus"! (I'm pretty sure I once heard a sportscaster refer to the two of them that way... check Google!) Now, do we need the article on Jordanzo the Piptasticus? The arguments used above (in favor of the "Southern Border" article) would say "yes"; however, to me, the obvious common sense answer is "no". So let it be for Caesar. There is nothing I can find in the combined "Southern Border" article about the two counties together that isn't already covered on the seperate articles about them individually. If there is some unique content I overlooked, it should be merged into the relevant individual article about the appropriate county. The combined article adds nothing, even if the term were notable, which it isn't. Rnickel ( talk) 16:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • P.S. The Boy Scouts have a "San Diego/Imperial Council". Worth noting that even though it does refer to the area described by this article, it does NOT use the non-notable term claimed by this article. And again, as noted above by Amerique, even in this case of an actual reference, the so-called "region" is nothing but an administrative abstraction. If we want a stub article like the one Amerique proposes, it should be called "San Diego/Imperial, California", and the bogus-name "Southern Border, California" article should still be deleted. Rnickel ( talk) 17:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Another thought: an alternate name that IS in actual use is the conurbation known as the "California-Mexico border region", "California Border Region" or simply "Border region", being a conurbation of San Diego and Tijuana, together with their associated inland areas ( Imperial County in the case of San Diego). For instance, see San Francisco Chronicle, L.A. Times and AP articles on the recent earthquake affecting the region. Here is a use of the term by the San Diego Historical Society. I would feel much more comfortable with a "Border region, California" article, because:
    1. The term is in real use
    2. The two municipalities do have a real collective identity
    3. There are real area-wide economic and social forces
However, even in that case, I would imagine an article very different from the existing "Southern Border" article. Rnickel ( talk) 17:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Raghu Dhara

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WP:BLP1E, anyone? Ironholds ( talk) 03:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Stuckism in America#herndon. Tone 21:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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After a few days nothing has come to this article and, it must be said, expectedly so: this is the Google search. We are dealing with a non-notable author who has generated no press but has written two books--both of which published by an on-demand press, CreateSpace. Delete. Drmies ( talk) 03:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Note that this "main validation" was added after the Wikipedia article was created, and is partially in response to it. - Frazzydee| ✍ 17:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. The article was started four days ago, but the link I gave is to a post in December 2006, so it can't be a response to the article. Ty 19:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
You are right, sorry. - Frazzydee| ✍ 21:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
There's a link in the web archive from the Stuckism International site for March 2007 which shows him as a member of the movement. [43] Ty 21:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
He remains on the current site. [44] A google search for "Tulsa Stuckists" only reveals that page, and Wikipedia. [45] - Frazzydee| ✍ 21:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Note: His name has been added to a number of pages after the article was created. If it is decided that the author is non-notable and the page should be deleted, some other edits should be re-considered for similar reasons. I will continue to update this list as the need arises. - Frazzydee| ✍ 05:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Frazzydee ( talk • contribs)
  • I've trimmed the content in those articles (apart from the University). Article content per WP:NNC has a different standard to a stand-alone article. Best to take any further issues to the relevant article talk page. Ty 13:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Andrew Baworowsky

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Doesn't fulfill WP:AUTHOR. Non-notable author with no significant output. Simon-in-sagamihara ( talk) 03:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to 13 Engines. Originally closed by User:Fishhead2100 on 9 April 2010. Reclosing to fix formatting. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

John Critchley (musician)

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lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources, fails WP:BIO. Contested prod RadioFan ( talk) 03:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Anaheim Canyon (Metrolink station)

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Does not meet the general notability guideline. I found no significant coverage of the station. TorriTorri( Talk to me!) 03:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Comment: Consistency does not overrule WP:GNG. -- TorriTorri( Talk to me!) 03:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
True but then a large amount of articles like: Whitchurch railway station (Hampshire), Sway railway station, Combe railway station, Dean railway station, to name a few would fail on the same bases. Is there no history that could be added? -- Wintonian ( talk) 03:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
See also WP:OSE - 'Precedent in usage' -- Wintonian ( talk) 04:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


WP:GNG's example of "trivial" is a "one sentence mention" of a topic in a source about another topic. In this case, the sources are primarily about this topic and far beyond the scope of "one sentence mention."-- Oakshade ( talk) 21:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was obvious keep per long-standing precedent of keeping all settlements. Renata ( talk) 14:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Wisłok Górny

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Other than the fact that that this village is very old (over 700), I see no reason for it to have it's own page. No sources, no notability, no credibility. Renaissancee (talk) 02:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was SNOW delete see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 California earthquake. Jclemens ( talk) 06:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

2012 Las Vegas earthquake

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WP:CRYSTAL that uses a science-fiction movie as its academic referencing. Warrah ( talk) 02:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Merge This article is supposed to deal with a movie scene from the movie 2012. If it cannot be a standalone article, it should be merged with the main movie title. The same goes with 2012 California earthquake. GVnayR ( talk) 03:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was subject already exists at a more plausible title and the misspelling makes this unsuitable as a redirect

Who are the Greek Gods and Godesses

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Contested prod. An incomplete and unnecessary list of some Greek deities. Burpelson AFB ( talk) 02:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was SNOW delete Jclemens ( talk) 06:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

2012 California earthquake

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A shiny example of WP:CRYSTAL that speculates on the possibility of an earthquake in two years. The references cited here do not meet WP:RS requirements. Warrah ( talk) 02:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Merge This article is supposed to deal with a movie scene from the movie 2012. If it cannot be a standalone article, it should be merged with the main movie title. The same goes with 2012 Las Vegas earthquake. GVnayR ( talk) 03:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Since this is an AfD debate, we decide whether to delete or not. A consensus is not to delete. Whether to merge or not, this can be discussed on the talkpage. Tone 21:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Saeed Chmagh

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fails WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:ONEVENT. While the event may be notable, there is no evidence that Chmagh is notable outside this, or that there is enough coverage of him as an individual to justify an article. Ironholds ( talk) 02:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Redirect to July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike per WP:ONEEVENT for now. That notability guideline states: "as both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles become justified". I don't think Chmagh has reached that point. Given some time maybe he will, but at this point it's too early to have a separate article about him. Jujutacular  T ·  C 15:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Jujutacular. Though to be fair, we shouldn't discount keep votes above if they reflect If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. (from WP:ONEEVENT). I don't happen to believe that applies here, but I accept that others may differ. So should the closer. -- John ( talk) 17:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I would favor keeping this article if more information could be found about his life, backed by reliable sources, and the article could be expanded to resemble more of a biography than a recap of his part in the airstrike. Obviously, his death (and should) still be a major part of the article, if not making up most of it. But if the article can be expanded with info about his early life, his pre-airstrike employment with Reuters, etc. etc., I'd favor keeping it. Otherwise, I wouldn't be opposed to a merge/redirect. (I'll try to look for sources myself in the next couple days...) — Hun ter Ka hn 19:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Support - I think it's been sufficiently expanded to be focused more as a biography now, not a stub recounting their role in the airstrike. It could still use some expansion, but now I feel it's not in violation of WP:ONEEVENT because it is focused on both Chmagh's career and the airstrike. — Hun ter Ka hn 14:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike per WP:ONEEVENT. Not notable outside of being an unfortunate victim of "wrong place, wrong time." when a U.S. helicopter fired at what were thought to be armed insurgents. No evidence they assassinated him because they wanted Saeed Chmagh, in particular, dead. His work did not apparently lead to his death, other than perhaps in having a camera with a long lens mistaken for a weapon, and standing around with men, who some of whom appeared to carry AK-47s. Edison ( talk) 19:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Standard WP:ONEEVENT case; redirect per Jujutacular, Edison, and others. Stifle ( talk) 20:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike per WP:ONEEVENT— Chris! c/ t 05:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Wikipedia would be better served by an urge to improve than an urge to delete. If we can get a bit more information about his early life and career this will be a perfectly serviceable article. - 24.6.1.26 ( talk) 08:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Sorry, that was me. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. - DevOhm Talk 08:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep An important part of quite an important event. Would rather it be expanded than deleted. Merge would be a comprimised if totally necessary. Cls14 ( talk) 10:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Per Chris Goodson's explanation. Warrah ( talk) 13:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Coverage of subject (profiles like this) has sufficient depth now to warrant a separate article. -- Sodabottle ( talk) 16:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This individual was clearly a noted and valued contributor toward a global news agency - his contribution toward scores if not hundreds of global or regional news stories can be assumed or proven by Reuters - it is, unlikely, therefore, that only this one event has begotten his entry. He is not simply a witness, nor a reporter, he is rather the entire fulcrum upon which the event stands. After all, the majority of individuals killed here do not have a wiki page. This would seem to undermine any reasons for WP:OneEvent guideline removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodpaul ( talk • contribs) 00:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- He was an Iraqi journalist killed while standing around armed insurgents without wearing a PRESS identifier. It's a prime example of how the war's critics don't care at all about the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war. -- Randy2063 ( talk) 04:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Merge - While he may not be notable enough to warrent a unique article, he is a major and very significant part of the event. Therefor the information in the article would be appropriate to merge into the event article. Furthermore the event is a significant if (sadly) not uncommon occurrence. -- Achris51 ( talk) 06:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The event is notable enhough to fulfill the exception clauses is WP:ONEEVENT. BrickBreak ( talk) 21:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Significant coverage of the individual in secondary sources. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:23, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect or Delete - The event is only borderline notable (civilians often get killed by accident in warzones, its terrible but it happens). But this individual is only notable because he was killed in this event. He was not notable as a journalist, and his tragic demise is the definition of WP:ONEVENT. Cathardic ( talk) 16:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy deleted as previously speedied vandalism

Dorble.com

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Not notable a quick google didn't seem to come up with anything reliable as a source. Wintonian ( talk) 01:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The Runaways#Laurie McAllister. Shimeru ( talk) 21:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Laurie McAllister

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Individual does not appear to be notable outside of a band. Ghits do not produce sources that establish notability. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Article is purely speculative at this point. ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢ 00:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply


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The result was Merge and redirect per previous consensus. I added an entry for Servicelive.com at Sears Holdings Corporation, using a more recent source. This article will then be redirected to preserve the history. If consensus emerges at Talk:Sears Holdings Corporation that this site doesn't merit inclusion, that works too - but it is operated by Sears and should still redirect there. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Tagged for merge BACK IN MARCH FREAKING 2009 and nobody could be arsed. Use it or lose it. Sources seem too thin to even warrant a merge. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 00:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to The Brittas Empire. Merge can be performed if desired. Shimeru ( talk) 21:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Russell Porter (actor)

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Known for starring in The Brittas Empire, but that's about it, so fails WP:ENT No.1 : significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Appears to have left acting altogether after this one role. MickMacNee ( talk) 14:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Tír na nÓg (band). Redirecting as a personal editorial decision. consider this a no consensus close. ( non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman ( talk) 23:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC) reply

In the Morning (Tír na nÓg album)

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Demos are assumed non-notable per WP:MUSIC and this one was only released by a (two?) redlink labels. Only four sources, two of which are Amazon links. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 14:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

label that released this album is well known for having remastered and released on cd many albums from underground English and Irish folk bands of the 70s that were lost or non-re-released on cd, see there [48], [49]. This album countains demos that are notable in the band story as they got a deal with Chrysalis Records due to this recording (see link I added in my last edits on the article). Album has been covered by Belgian radio show Psyche Van Het Folk on Radio Centraal-- Vegetable man38 ( talk) 22:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The problem with these sources is that the first (Rate Your Music) is unreliable, the second is a primary source, and the third is also unreliable (Homestead is a free hosting service.) Cf. with WP:SOURCE. I am entirely convinced that this album exists and it was made by a notable band, but according to WP:MUSIC, you need to prove that this release is notable and that involves finding reliable third-party sources. So far, you haven't really provided them. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 00:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC) reply
Although this site is hosted by homestead, this is the official site from the radio show producer Gerald Van Waes (look at his profile in the bottom of this page. His website is actually moving on a .com address but some parts are always hosted on homestead.com. If I refer to the WP:SELFPUBLISH, "Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". If it is not sufficient, let me some time to find reliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vegetable man38 ( talk • contribs) 10:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Zoophilia. Tone 21:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Dicdef, no reliable sources found. Best I could find was this, but even then I doubt it could be more than a dicdef. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Insufficiently notable subject. City council member who does not meet the notability requirements of the WP:GNG. Also see WP:BIO#Politicians, which states, "A politician who has received 'significant press coverage' has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." [50] This is not the case here. PROD contested, so comes here for deletion. — Satori Son 14:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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I'm not a chess expert but I'd say that a sportsperson of this type would at least have to compete internationally to be notable, for instance in the Chess Olympiad which started during his career. I don't see that this person has. Geschichte ( talk) 11:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

As a member of the WikiProject Chess, I have written hundreds of pages (articles or stubs) on chess players, who are notable, for example as national chess champions (see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess_national_championships, please). By the way, Egil Jacobsen won twice the Danish Chess Championship. So, I do not understand an objection presented by Geschichte. I hope, it is only a misunderstanding. -- Mibelz ( talk) 17:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Unfinished AFD started by someone else. Simply working with another notable musician != notability. No sources found. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Tone 21:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Contract (animated short film)

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Contested PROD. No sources found to establish the notability of this film, fails WP:NOTFILM and WP:GNG. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) talk 02:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ged UK  07:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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A street busker and church composer that fails WP:MUSIC and general notability guidelines. According to his own self published biography, his highest honors are winning church composition contests, which drew no secondary source coverage that I can find.

Note: Prominent obstetrician with the same name, don't confuse them. Gigs ( talk) 00:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to List_of_The_Brittas_Empire_Characters#Linda_Perkin. This appears to be what she is mainly known for; redirect keeps the history so the article can be resurrected if notability is asserted Black Kite (t) (c) 23:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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Known for starring in The Brittas Empire, but that's about it, so fails WP:ENT No.1 : significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Other stage and television appearances appear to be minor. MickMacNee ( talk) 14:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to List_of_The_Mummy_characters#Alexander_'Alex'_O'Connell (effectively redirect as information is already in target article). I have also moved the redirect and dabbed. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Alex O'Connell

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This The Mummy character fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for fictional characters. Neelix ( talk) 23:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to List_of_Fair_City_characters. As nothing is sourced, a merge isn't indicated. Any material merged would need to be referenced Black Kite (t) (c) 22:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC) reply

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No references, no real world info. I can't confirm that the plot is accurate. Magioladitis ( talk) 09:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

Which is this appropriate list? And merge what? can you verifz what is written or we will end up merging inaccurate things and original research? -- Magioladitis ( talk) 10:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC) reply
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Merge as usual. An afd for a similar character that ended in deletion only shows the high error rate; it's always worth at least a redirect. DGG ( talk ) 01:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC). reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 00:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC) reply

Una Norris

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No references, no real world info. I can't confirm that the plot is accurate. Magioladitis ( talk) 09:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC) reply

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