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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe ) ³  22:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

List of liberal and progressive Muslims

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First it's an original research. Second, there is no any chance this list is going to be final at any moment of time. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 05:50, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala 06:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala 06:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. – Uanfala 06:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete. WP:NOR and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:03, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I was planning to nominate this myself. Not clear on what criteria are we listing, and what is the exact definition of "liberal Muslim" or "progressive Muslim". JahlilMA ( talk) 09:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Comment. Contra the nomination, "finality" is not a requirement for lists, particularly where such lists of people would always just be limited to "...for whom we have articles." No opinion on the other arguments for deletion. postdlf ( talk) 15:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

Agree. Per nom, we need to delete List of Muslim scientists as well for example. The issue here is obviously WP:NOR. JahlilMA ( talk) 17:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Just commenting on the OR rationale in the nomination: I think the obvious assumption behind a list like this is that the inclusion of a person would be based on reliable sources that explicitly identify them as liberal or progressive. – Uanfala 15:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply

The issue here is, liberal Muslim or progressive Muslim are already contentious concepts. JahlilMA ( talk) 17:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete per WP:NOR; this list does not even attempt to set parameters for inclusion, which, with vaguely defined concepts like "liberal" and "progressive" is probably impossible to do. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete Subject is far too broad and subjective.-- SamHolt6 ( talk) 17:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete It took me a few days of revisiting this AfD and the article, as I wasn't sure about this at first. Based on the Wikipedia:Listcruft (non-binding) essay, as well as the (binding) policies and guidelines it's based on, I do think the mere concept of this is too problematic for meet criteria of acceptability.

• The list seems to attempt to be discriminate, but the contentious subject matter precludes that from ever truly happening.
• The list features reliable sources, but even the sources themselves on this topic (and I'm including scholarly ones) don't maintain a consistent definition of who is and who isn't a "liberal/progressive" Muslim.
• The "list" is technically an article, dense and heavy in actual prose and detailed content backed up by reliable sources. Thus, this isn't really a list, it's simply a collection of information on individuals whose articles are better places for the information. If that information were to be merged, we'd then be left with a list so pointless and so threadbare that I don't think deletion would even be controversial.
• As contentious as this topic is, a category can still be managed and maintained via vigilant verification. The existence of said category renders this article (it's not really a list) further redundant.

For these reasons, I support deletion. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 03:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete This article appears to be entirely original research. Editor10! 14:05 20 September 2017 (UTC)
• Weak delete - This list was recently excised from Liberalism and progressivism within Islam by user:JahlilMA (see above, second !voter) for the same reasons it should probably be deleted, that it requires too much OR to link individuals expressing the many different kinds of liberalism and progressivism in Islam. However, I do think that there is a lot of value in listing individuals who in the actions or writings express liberalism and/or progressivism in Islam. I think it would be better to base those lists on existing research and more concrete values, such as Muslim feminists or Muslim secularists. Currently, some examples exists such as List of LGBT rights activists being sorted by country or lists of politicians including information about political affiliations. Other "lists of X in Y" type articles exist as well, and I could imagine this article being more or less replaced by a list of lists article organizing these. Smmurphy^{( Talk)} 22:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.