08:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Nah, well, I just keep thinking about the project (Indo project), though I have 2 real life projects, hahahah. The main problem is just, umm, I don't have an article that I interested in, but when I found that article, surely I could break the wall. ahahah. Oh well, I reckon the Education in Indonesia is not very popular, isn't it? Although a stupid head had vandalised it. Hey, that Toraja is TOTALLY AWESOME!! I'll give you a barnstar for that, :) So, what are you up to? On Wiki and real life. Cheers -- I mo eng 12:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Ahahahahha, but it looks nice though. Probably you should list it for WP:GTC, WP:PR and WP:FTC (Featured talk). But seriously, the article has improved a lot, really good job. Cheers -- I mo eng 20:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for inviting me. I'll try to contribute to the project, but I can't 24/7, 'coz I am also sysop on Indonesian Wikipedia :) wic2020 talk bicara 02:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there how are you? Could you talk a look at WP:INA and tell me what you think. Cheers -- I mo eng 11:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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Ahh, why didn't I think about it. So when we change the entry, the template on people's userpage will also change. Brilliant idea. Go for it, do you want to do it or I'll do it? Or you need help with something? Cheers -- I mo eng 09:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey how are you going? Did you choose that picture for the Indonesian portal? If yes, that is really a GREAT picture, well searched! Cheers -- I mo eng 12:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi again, how are you? Sorry to disturb you everyday, ehehehe. Can I ask you a favor? Could you just make one sentence, for the first sentence of Tourism in Indonesia article. But make sure you start with Tourism in Indonesia blablabla. Can you do that? I have no idea about what should I write. Cheers -- I mo eng 09:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
That is very true. I've been considering about that, to be honest. However, then the edit page seems very loooooooooooooooooooooooooong, ahahahah. Oh well, it worth trying, and I think it'll work. Thanks for the suggestion! I mo eng 12:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon. In general, I've implemented the format utilised by the In the news section on the Main Page. This format is already followed by Portal:Australia, Portal:New Zealand, Portal:Oceania, Portal:United States and others. The news stories featured in Portal:Indonesia/Indonesia news are meant to be verifiable through corresponding entries on Portal:Current events/Southeast Asia. Happy editing, -- cj | talk 10:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey Indon, how are you? This is probably my last entry for the next fortnight. So, I usually put the news on Indonesian portal to the South Asian portal news, just like I told you before. Based on my understanding about his message, we should follow the news on the South Asian portal. So, I think this is pretty strange cause I used to update news on the South Asian portal based on Indonesian portal. The guys there supported me as well to do that. Maybe I was (and am) wrong. Hope things get sorted out. Cheers -- I mo eng 12:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
(I've copied this over from Imoeng's talk, as it looks like you might be updating the portal at the moment):
The image of the epaulette shark, Image:Epauletteshark.gif, that you have in the news on the Indonesia portal is a copyvio and is likely to soon be removed. Just thought I'd warn you so you don't get a redlink. Cheers, Yomangani talk 10:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Can you created article of Nidji, they are popular band from Indonesia, the article of them have an indo wiki,thanks if you have created them in english wikipedia. U can translate the article of them from indo wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.124.86.25 ( talk • contribs)
I was looking at Onion dome for a GA review, but noticed you were there first. I've made a couple minor fixes, as one does, (fix tag on the picture, fix a typo or two, find name in Cyrillic because I couldn't see fit to pass it with that big tag saying something was missing...) but would rather defer to you. Adam Cuerden talk 05:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
It is a rather nice little article, isn't it? And a nice surprise to have something like that grow out of a vote for deletion on some website of the same name as the structure.
Sadly, though, I can only pronunce Cyrillic - I know more-or-less what the letters mean, but don't know very much Russian. It's enough to sometimes let me figure things out from context - for example, when I was editing Mazeppa (opera), I could use the formatting of a libretto and knowing the names of characters, the standard formatting, italics indicating stage directions, having seen the opera and such guide me to being able to check the libretto justified statements, but I'd be useless checking unstructured documents I didn't already know a bit about. It's useful, but not useful enough. Adam Cuerden talk 09:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi I'm back, how are you? So, I noticed Tourism in Indonesia has also failed GA. Could you tell me what people have done to fix it? So I can do the work on another issue. Cheers -- I mo eng 03:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted your edit because there is now a source in the "South East Asia" portal. Robin.rueth 05:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Your feedback on Talk:Perl 6 is somewhat confusing, and I'm not sure that I understood it all. I've responded as best I can, and I will work on the items that it was possible to turn into specific courses of action. For the rest, please feel free to explain further. - Harmil 18:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
hi there, thanks for the invite. frankly not sure how much time committment it requires. But I'd be willing to help out as my time permits. don't even know how to setup an account, etc 68.42.165.114 23:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
No problem. I have read all the sections. However, I didn't have time to provide a thorough review on the talk page (I stopped late last night). Some of the questions are related to grammar, although it's true that most are factual in nature. Since I know way less about the subject than you do, I can't say whether info exists or not. Consider those comments suggestions. My main difficulty in promoting the article is the organization of each paragraph. I like the overall article organization (History>Society>Culture>Commercialization) but I sometimes got confused when reading it. As I said on the talk page, I really like a lot of it. Cheers. -- Tjss (Talk) 16:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
You are correct, and I apologize. However, as you noted, most Wikipedians do use the footnote citation. This is the most useful for most users because they can click the link and be automatically sent to the full citation. It's up to you if you want to use them, but the footnotes are preferred by most for good reason. -- Tjss (Talk) 19:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey how are you? I was wondering to make a new sub heading called tourism type or something like that. I bring this issue because the reviewer said we need to fix the section organisation. Are you with me? Hehehe. CHeers - I mo eng 03:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I've done with that, but if you can, please read it. There is a statement about Wallacea animals, about the most exotic thing. But I reckon with the citation, we don't need to worry. Cheers -- I mo eng 08:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey - some bloke wants to delete this category. Actually, that's not the full story. He wants to delete all the Category:Fauna by country regardless of whether they are good or not. he has found 100s of sub-categories and he has made a case for the deletion of about 10 of these, and therefore he suggests the Indonesia category goes. Should he not provide reasoning for each one???? I removed his tag on Indonesia until he provides reasoning. -- Merbabu 00:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I was in the process of adding in depth comments to that page (now added), so please consult them first before adding it back to the GA nomination list. -- Deon Steyn 09:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi how are you? Recently Caniago told me that a number of articles have been redirected to disambugiation pages. These are Riau, Jambi, and Yogyakarta. For Riau, there are two provinces, Riau and Kepulauan Riau, so its pretty confusing. For Jambi, I reckon we need to ask permissions from the related users, because there are many other meanings. About Yogyakarta, its just a matter city and special region. So, based on that, which articles do you think should we prioritise? Please get back to me, cheers -- I mo eng 10:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I want to write (stub) articles about Indonesian Regencies and Cities. Give me feedback on my proposal. Thanx. wic2020 talk bicara 02:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Indon, besides whatever other ways you may have felt this article fell short, and many myriad criticisms I could offer, its most egregious sin is its shameless and relentless deceptiveness. I will share only a few points here, for now:
It reads, "Muhammad's task would thus be to form a united community out of these heterogeneous elements, not only as a religious preacher, but as a political and diplomatic leader who could help resolve the ongoing disputes." One would never guess from this statement that, of five native tribes, one would be beheaded by Muhammad and his followers, two exiled with their properties seized, one of these two pursued and beheaded like the first. This is mentioned nowhere, instead giving the entirely false impression that Muhammad succeeded in creating social harmony through diplomacy when in fact, according to Islamic scripture, he merely destroyed his opponents.
It states that Muhammad invited other states to accept Islam. But look closely at the wording: in fact Muhammad is saying, accept Islam or face attack. It's important, too, to recognize that "accepting Islam" meant, first, accepting Muhammad as the prophet, and most crucially paying tribute to Madina. All these really are is your classic demands of tribute from prosperous sedentary peoples to relatively well-armed, cash-starved pastoralists.
The leading image is dubious to say the least. There are several questionable sources - what is "Forward", for example? And Sealed Nectar is more the religious tract than a reliable scholarly source.
This article was created by, and solely editted by, editors who believe that its subject was the Prophet of God sent to guide all mankind towards perfect truth. That doesn't and shouldn't mean that they can't participate in its creation, but it should give you pause when considering the neutrality of the material herein. It would constitute apostasy for a believer to create material which casts the Prophet in anything but the softest and most glowing light, and it cannot reasonably be expected that they will produce NPOV material without check and balance from less invested parties.
I strongly recommend placing this good article nomination on indefinite hold. Proabivouac 09:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Recently I've examined History of Indonesia and found that (some of) the info on Indonesia about history cannot be found there. So, it is strange because the more general page has more information. In case of that, I suggest we move (really really move, like cut and paste) Reformasi and New Order, also some other things, if appropriate to History of Indonesia and start the History section from scratch, by summarising History of Indonesia. Whos with me? Cheers -- I mo eng 09:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Indon, personally, I would put it in the Geography and Places, and under the Places:Eastern Hemisphere subsection. I left it up to your "editing team"(I noticed there are 3 of you that are the major contributers). Besides that, I dont understand what you meant by "can't grap GA because of a lack of images and further references." If this is in reference to my New Jersey State Consitution Article, I put this up for someone to do a follow-up review. He is scouting the page for my article. Thanks, if this is what you mean, for the tip. -- Evan( Salad dressing is the milk of the infidel!) 23:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
So, finally I've finished it, and I am sure it cannot get any shorter as the history is pretty complicated, especially during 1998 to 2004. And if you want to compare it with India or Australia, I think the size is the same, or maybe shorter, I don't know, :P. Please comment or fix my low quality English, people are not perfekt. :P Cheers -- I mo eng 13:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey congratulation! I've never made a GA article before :( heheheh. Again, congratulation!! I mo eng 12:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
hi there, finally managed to create my own account as you suggested. please let me know where to start on helping out the indonesian stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wongjerang ( talk • contribs)
thank you for your constructive evaluation on
Muhammad as a diplomat, i think it was thoughtful and very fair. i will try to comment on the issue of sealed nectar being a primary or secondary source today or tomorrow when i get some time. thank you.
ITAQALLAH
16:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
hey Indon. i implemented a number of the changes you suggested, particularly fixing up the lead and introducing scholars where relevant. i also fixed up parts of the prose to make them clearer and more fluent, and tried to introduce some further changes as suggested by Linchon. ITAQALLAH 23:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon how are you? Did you mean the one on WP:PID? Ahahaha yeah I cannot remember where did I see it. Hey if you don't have anything to do, you can help me on Religion in Indonesia, an unfinished collaboration :P. As for Indonesia, I think I'll let the English experts to copy-edit them. Cheers -- I mo eng 10:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon, thanks for expanding it. About the portal, its just temporary, until I can gather all selected articles, bio and pics for this month, then I can make the schedule. If you want to make a selected picture, find a pic and a short summary and put it into Portal:Indonesia/ST_List and Portal:Indonesia/POTW/42, 2006. This is the 40th week and I've selected the picture for the 41st week. Basically that is the only thing. Cheers -- I mo eng 08:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
What i was trying to do was to be able to write in the edit box without it actually appearing on the screen. Ie, only can be seen in the edit box.
As for the references, I have always been taught (and now taught again in my masters) that we should cite both the original source, and the source in which we found it. In fact, my faculty demands it in their Writing Guide and marking. And to be honest, i think it is only fair to both sources. It is always easier to find refs in a larger book - lol.
As for the cites making things unreadble, i agree but what can one do? It is worse without them i think. The only thing i can suggest is to go completely against wiki convetion and manually make a cite, like (Merbabu, 2006) and then type all the details below in alphabetical order. Ie, the Harvard System. Ie, it's how i have always done it. I think wikipedia is too clever here for its own good. lol -- Merbabu 10:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon how are you? Is it possible for you to log in to the IRC channel? There is something I need to ask, many things, lol, about the article. For now, please look at Indonesia's talk page. Cheers -- I mo eng 12:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just thinking about Agne's comment about India and Australia. They have the same layout, like, one section for etymology. What do you think? Cheers -- I mo eng 14:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon, i've been looking at your removal of the list of references. I also looked at the policy you sent me - it's a good one. Did you actually read the list: [2]. I agree that it was a bit misleading that it was from someone's "blog", but if one takes 5mins to go thru list in detail they will see that the list is full of references that are backed by highly reliable institutions. I'd like to put it back - maybe i can change the title of the link - lol.
Did you remove it simply cos the link said "blog" or you checked the list and still think it needs to go? Spend 5 mins going thru and let me know what you think. thanks -- Merbabu 01:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)