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I must say, Encyclopedia Brittanica is a very very very very very vary biased, partial,orientalistic, prejudieced and intentionally incorrect source when it come to places which British Empire has political agenda like Middle East, Africa, İndia and Central Asia and their political and historical figures, especially the patriotic heroes and leaders of native people who oppose those agendas. So I don't think any information which come from this source can be viewed as valid. —Preceding
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85.102.187.215 (
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01:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Except your complaint doesn't fit your agenda, because the British supported Yaqub Beg and gave him weapons. You are just upset that Yaqub Beg has been labelled as Tajik and not Turkic and it doesn't fit your nationalist views.
Rajmaan (
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03:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Musa Sayrami?
"According to historian and one of Mirza-bakhshi of Yakub Beg - Musa Sayrami (Tarihi Aminiye), he was poisoned in May,1877 in Kurla by former hakim of Yarkend Niyaz Hakim Bek,after concluding by the latter conspiracy agreement with Qing forces in Jungaria."
This sentence is ungrammatical. I haven't fixed it because I don't know what it's supposed to say, but perhaps someone can fix it.
72.75.49.3006:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
I took a guess, but all the information I can find on Musa Sayrami appears to be in Uighur which I don't speak. It's not sourced either. I've done the best I could with it but unless it's sourced, it might best be deleted.
rewinn05:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)reply
The life of Sir Halliday Macartney, K. C. M. G.: commander of Li Hung Chang's trained force in the Taeping rebellion, founder of the first Chinese arsenals, for thirty years councillor and secretary to the Chinese legation in London
Indeed; there is good evidence that his younger children, were, in fact, not placed in service to the soldiery on the Amur. However, that is one section that consists of something that looks very much like original research:
There needs to be some access to better references; none of these seem appropriate.
Additionally, there is an issue with the reference in Peter Tompkins The Eunuch and the Virgin: there is very little evidence that it is correct, and the book is quite sensationalist. I am not even sure it is citing the London Times correctly, the source it gives. Certainly, the above sources suggest none of the boys were placed in service as eunuchs.
At this point, I am unsure I am personally qualified to write more. I would consider Clarence King Memoirs: The Helmet of Mambrino to be a good secondary source; it seems to describe the outcome as it is in the letter from the US State Department quite well. If there is no further information, I may cite that soon. It is possible there may be more information in
this book on Zeng Jize, but I have my doubts. Any sources cited by Dr. Chang were in Chinese, a language I have no experience in, so I cannot see what documents led her to describing this sentence as if it was not commuted.--
Anymouse (
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00:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)reply
You are free to edit the text. If you have concrete proof that any information is wrong, then by all means change it, with sources of course. However, if there are conflicting reports, then leave the information but adjust the text (e.g. change "confirmed" to "reported" or "claimed"), then add any new information. It helps those who have read other versions of events to know that there are conflicting reports.
Hzh (
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12:38, 3 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Sincere thanks; I have finally made the edits I feel should be made. I could find nothing of note in that book on Zeng Jize, and I think the only information he wrote on this case is likely to be in Chinese. Thank you again for your time and advice. I find it interesting in how difficult it is to properly verify the status of this sentence, and I am sure most historians have seen this as a minor detail.
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02:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Yakub Beg is the predominant spelling. Yakoob Beg was the predominant spelling until the late 1920s, when the Soviet Union began standardising languages in Central Asia.
See Ngrams.
Yue🌙21:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 13 March 2024
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Yakub Beg → ? – This article is currently almost identical in title to
Ya'qub Beg, which is also spelled as "Yakub Beg" in sources. Other homonymous historical people referred to as Yakub Beg include the rulers of
Germiyan,
Yakub I of Germiyan and
Yakub II:
[1] I think it is clear that Yakub Beg of Yettishar is not the primary topic, so this article should be renamed to something else, perhaps "Yakub Padishah", and "Yakub Beg" should be a disambiguation page (or redirect to one).
Aintabli (
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23:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I would support this option. We could also remove "
Beg" from the title (thus "Yakub of Yettishar"). According to
WP:NCROY, when it comes to European rulers at least, we avoid using titles such as "King", similar to "Beg". "Beg" was or is in fact a very common title both for rulers and common people. It does not serve any purpose of disambiguation.
Aintabli (
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02:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. I think that the article should be relocated to a more specific title, I also suggest disambiguating the title by incorporating Yakub Beg's occupation or historical context, as exemplified by
Wu Chen (general), and including a
Template:Similar_names hatnote to aid with navigation and add clarity.
Ferdows.Bahrami (
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18:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.