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Did you know... that Warratyi, the oldest known site of human habitation in inland
Australia, was discovered by a man looking for somewhere to go to the toilet?
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Prioryman: could you please clarify exactly where Lake Eyre Basin is mentioned in the reference. If it's in the main body, we probably need to split the ref into two (and/or possibly use {{sfn}}) to distinguish between the two locations.
Mitch Ames (
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00:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
OK, I see what you're getting at. It's in the main body, which I was able to read on the day of publication but seems to now have been paywalled. If you Google the quote you can still find it in the cache. Could you do the split so that it's to your satisfaction?
Prioryman (
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08:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
"Coulthard was searching for a place to go to the toilet"??? Surely Coulthard was aware that there was no toilet in a gorge at the southern end of the Lake Eyre basin in the northern Flinders Ranges. Coulthard was looking for a place to defecate. - Nunh-huh04:53, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Really? Someone changed it to urinate. I can't access the article in any shape or form as the site is 'experiencing problems', so I reverted the 'urinate' to 'searching for a place to go to the toilet' because I don't work on assumptions, and the article is one of the current DYK articles. Until such a time as someone can
verify whether he was looking for somewhere to defecate or urinate (or maybe both), it'll have to remain as a
WP:EUPHEMISM since that's how the DYK is being promoted. I don't think it'll kill readers to have to guess which bodily function was in need of being met. Be grateful that it wasn't presented as 'looking for a bathroom'. Who knows: maybe they might bookmark it to find out... Return visits might get 'em interested in reading some other articles while they're waiting. --
Iryna Harpy (
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05:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
We could always put "go to the toilet" in quotation marks (with a ref immediately after the quotation). I.e., it's not a euphemism, it's an accurate reproduction of what
the source says.
Mitch Ames (
talk)
05:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Actually, quotation marks strikes me as being UNDUE. It's not the brunt of the article, and quotation marks will make it stand out like a sore thumb... but, if editors are so perturbed by WP:WORDS guidelines that they feel this is absolutely necessary, then quotation marks it is. I honestly don't think that EUPHEMISM is meant to be taken so literally: it's a guideline to prevent stupid euphemisms like "passed away", etc. --
Iryna Harpy (
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05:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Actually I don't think we need to mention going to the toilet all, so I deliberately left it out
when I created the article. We can't remove it while it's a DYK, because it's part of the hook, but perhaps it after the DYK it should just remove it, eg:
... It was discovered by chance by a local resident who stumbled upon it while looking for somewhere to go to the toilet.
...
While Coulthard was searching for a place to go to the toilet, the two men found a spring surrounded by rock art and a soot-blackened fissure in the rock nearby. ...