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Mentatus suggested on my talk page the following structure, with which I also agree:
For 3 we need bibliography and photos (from free domain). One of the best books in the field is ni "În apărarea Romaniei Mari" by Dumitru Preda, Vasile Alexandrescu and Costică Prodan (Bucureşti, 1994), but we don't have it yet at our disposal, b/c we are not located in Romania at present.
I make some changes now to this article, namely I will devide it into the 5 parts with the following titles:
The WWI poster The WWI poster has no reason being there. It is about Romania's war entry, a good two years before. Also, the event marked is about Transylvania's union with Romania - it was the date of Transylvanians attending an Alba Iulia gathering, where they expressed their wishes to be part of Romania. (As such, the choice for the event was quite a misnomer, since the gathering itself did not provoke Transylvania's union per se, nor were its demands respected by the succeding Romanian governments - such as the request that the region be given full authonomy inside the Kingdom.) There is a nuanced connection with Bessarabia and Bukovina: Transylvania was the last of the three to join, and since this is thought to have happened following Dec. 1st, the date was extended to mean the "fulfilling of Romania's unity". Note: southern Dobruja IS NOT part of that arangement - it was an integral part of the kingdom since late 1913. I will get to reviewing the page at a later date. Dahn 23:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I fully agree with Dahn. Is anyone against removing the poster from this article? (Btw, I inserted the image into the Ferdinand I of Romania article some time ago, I guess it belongs there more than here). Mentatus 14:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cine cu cine s-a unit Cine v-a invatat istorie fratilor, astia de ati scris ca Regatul Romaniei s-a unit cu Transilvania, Basarabia, Bucovina si Dobrogea? Pai Regatul se uneste cu provinciile sau provinciile se unesc cu Regatul? Si cand s-a unit Dobrogea cu Romania (sau Romania cu Dobrogea, dupa cum ati scris)? Dobrogea de Sud a fost ocupata de Romania in al doilea razboi balcanic (1913) si deci n-a fost nici o unire a Dobrogei in 1918. The Vindictive 15:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, I still think it is confusing to use both calendars. When I first looked at the article, I thought eg. that the break-trough of the French army took 13 days (October 24 / November 6,).
#2 I do not really want to get involved in editing this article because I do not have time to search for sources. When completing the text plese keep in mind: December 1 is national day for ethnic Romanians and I believe it is a great thing that Romanians were united in one state. The same time, the occupation of Transylvania and of East Hungary meant that millions of Hungarians were cut from their motherland, who did not wish to be Romanian citizens at all.
#3 The text should not suggest that the unification happened because Romanians at the Alba Iulia (Gyulafehérvár) meeting simply decided so. Huge ethnic Hungarian and mixed territories were occupied too. It should be clear that Romania wanted to occupy these territories and the Entente powers wanted to reward Romania for their 1916 efforts and that France wanted Hungary, a potential ally to Germany, to become as weak, as possible after the war.
#4 Please refrain from using expressions like "Parliament of Transylvania, or "Government of Transylvania", because these simply did not exist. --
KIDB 12:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
1 - December 1 is national day for ethnic Romanians of course but first of all it is the National Day of the Romanian state !
2 - The was not an "occupation of Transylvania" but an UNION decided by an DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Assembly at Alba Iulia, according to the voting polls from the entire Transsylvania. The lists with the votes of the population from the entire province are still stored in Alba Iulia and are available for study. In fact the Alba Iulia Assembly did functioned as a Parliament with democratic elected representatives, even that this situation was provisional.
3 - Indeed, The Union did cut more than one million Hungarians but not "millions of Hungarians from their motherland". In Transsylvania existed only 1,6 million Hungarians and Hungarian-speaking Jews and Germans (please see the Hungarian Census - 1910). The Jews and the Germans approved the Union vote of Alba Iulia. The papers of approval are also on public display at the "Union Museum" in Alba Iulia.
4 - Overall, The Union was indeed democratically disagreed by the local Hungarian population (almost a quarter of Transsylvania's population) and was democratically agreed by the rest.
5 - Of course, we can make in wikipedia our POV, but the existing documents are the real proves. I recommend you a trip to Alba Iulia.
Hello!
To the "Causes and leading events": According to the secret treaty: if romania makes a peace treaty with the central powers before the war ends (which happened after bucharest was conquered) romania will not get the offered territories. Someone should write this into the article too. Bye!
I agree. Baxter9 13:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The many Bulevardul Unirii, Piaţa Unirii found in Romanian streets, do they honour this union or another? If so, it could be mentioned adding one of the photos in Commons.
-- Error ( talk) 22:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the editors of this article to think about it: to restore the previously existing article Union Day (Romania), to move there the last 4 paragraphs from the intro and to expand it in relation to the celebration of the day, with a photo or two of military parades, or of related festivities. In short to focus that article on the National Day of Romania, and this one about the historic event.: Dc76\ talk 13:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I added the template, and also one for further references (only 3, and 2 are romenian government sources). Hope someone will take the time to do the job, and that before opening a new article, authors check if there are already similar pages...-- Desyman44 ( talk) 20:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me but wasn't Transylvania assigned to Romania in the Treaty of Trianon in June 1920? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizso ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Hungary did not recognise Trianon Diktat, it was forced to sign it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.56.70.117 ( talk) 15:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I think we really need a new and more detailed map. The map here shows Romanian majority and Romanian minority--a gross simplification of the actual population situtation. It seems that a large, contiguous, and overwhelming block of Romanians inhabited centra Transylvania, when actual population numbers and locations are not the case. I think even the Red Map would be a huge improvement. InFairness ( talk) 04:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_June_20 Avpop ( talk) 08:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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