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I think the title of this article is in violation of
Wikipedia:Naming policy (singular vs. plural). Can anyone justify having both Refusenik and Refuseniks? I propose to merge them into Refusenik, or whatever else we usually do in disambig. cases to avoid confusion.
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Humus sapiens←
Talk 06:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Moved Refuseniks to Otkaznik. Objections?
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Humus sapiens←
Talk 07:06, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
New name
This article is now:
Refusenik (Soviet Union) in keeping with Wiki naming conventions. By the way, the name "Refusenik" has become a well known English word itself, so it makes no sense whatsoever to list it under "Otkaznik" something no-one in the West has ever heard, and perhaps is suited for the Russian Wiki. Thank you.
IZAK 09:12, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Over time, "refusenik" has entered colloquial English usage for any type of protestor. My sense is that it means someone who is refused emigration permission, not "any type of protestor". Is that incorrect?
Phr03:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I would disagree ’cause I know I’ve heard the word but I didn’t know what it originally referred to until my friend told me. IIRC, it’s been used for like
draft resistors and such—probably the during the Cold War the -nik had convenient “commie” connotations. But you’re probably right in that the “any type of protester” wording is sloppy, imprecise or inaccurate. —
Рефьюзник20:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Still, there needs to be some sort of reference showing this meaning. (In other words, I found nothing to support your assertaion.) Also, why did you computer program call me a refusenik when I didn't put in the right answer? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.115.75.16 (
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11:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)reply
this needs revisiting. Refusenik is now in fairly common usage in the UK and its meaning has evolved. It now means someone/something who refuses to do something. This is very different to what it originally meant (wasn't given permission). Here is a typical eg of that usage: "His letter demands action by Christmas, and threatens swingeing measures against refusenik institutions that later suffer antisemitic incidents." [1]This means they are refusing to comply. This is the common way you find the word now used in the UK - its meaning has evolved rapidly away from the original sense. I have specialist knowledge of the evolution of words, so am flagging this up as important and interesting. I will add a short section on this to the article. Can people please check and maybe collect additional examples.
SandrinaHatman (
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19:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)reply
I finished a section on this with references but where it needs additional info is - egs from outside the UK (eg the US or Australia etc). Is it used in sense 1 or sense 2 in other countries? Are there egs from Israel of it being used in sense 2? When did it start being used like this? I can google loads of egs of sense 2 nowadays but the dictionaries don't tell us when this started happening. Also just noticed there is no ref to when the term emerged exactly or earliest references.
SandrinaHatman (
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19:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)reply
First, disclaimer: I was the one who tried to move it to Otkaznik long ago (see above discussion). Now I think that
Refusenik (Soviet Union) is more proper. Even by your logic, this is English-lang Wikipedia and not Russian-lang. English-speakers don't know the word Otkaznik. BTW, the word рефьюзник was not unheard of, at least in the slang context. Thanks. ←
Humus sapiensну?20:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)reply
I am afraid the article "
Illegal emigration" is dangerously misguided, staring from the confusion of emigration and travel abroad. I will try to put some sense to it, inlcuding info about Soviet emigration/travel laws. At the same time, Soviet Union is more associated with the notion of
Defection. `'
mikka00:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, please come by and help out. I expanded the entry quite a bit just very lately. It could benefit from more editors.
Terjen00:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)reply
I have reverted
[1] attempted additions by
User:Angelmypal to the sentence "The coming to power of
Mikhail Gorbachev in the Soviet Union in the mid-1980s and his policies of
glasnost and
perestroika, as well as a desire for better relations with the West led to major changes" of the passage "The election of American President Ronald Reagan, who took a strong military stance toward the Soviet Union, and the coming to power of
Mikhail Gorbachev..." As far as I know (and I should know, having grown up in the Soviet Union during the times in question), the election of Reagan had very little to do with the internal changes in the Soviet Union, elevation of Gorbachev and the start of his
perestroika policy and with the changes in the Soviet treatment of refuseniks. If such an addition to the text is to be made, I would want to see it supported by substantial references to
reliable sources that establish such a connection. Until and unless such sources are produced, the passage about Reagan should stay out of this article, on
WP:V,
WP:OR and
WP:NPOV grounds.
Nsk92 (
talk)
20:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I have moved the information about the documentary to the documentary film section and out of the introduction as it is not really relevant to the introduction and there is no reason it should be mentioned over other media mentioned later on in the article
I have also removed the line "See Photo: The third protestor from the left is Zachar Tesker." from the introduction, This information was un-referenced and does not seem notable given there is no wiki article on zachar tesker or any other mention of him in this article. If someone wants to add it back in please at most add it to the photo caption.
Loganrah (
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13:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)reply