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Diet section needs a source. Nareek 14:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have about a third of this article taken up by a Grateful Dead box? Nareek 01:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
In his book "The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test" Tom Wolfe refers to Owsley as The "White Rabbit". This might help understanding the Jefferson Airplane's song
The article states that the song Alice D. Millionaire is about his 1967 bust, although the song was written and played in 1966. Either his bust was in 1966 or the song refers to his earlier bust. 09:25, 19 January 2007 (CET) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.16.233.102 ( talk) 08:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
I have amended some of the more glaring inaccuracies in this article and added a little detail to some sections, but being new to wikipedia editing I am not sure how to properly reference my edits, much of which stem from personal communications with my father, the subject in question. I am concerned that without the proper citations they might fall victim to the "true but not verifiable" standard, and it would be a shame to have outdated published inaccuracies trump truths gathered directly from the subject's own mouth. Anyone have any suggestions on how to best go about referencing this properly? Thanks! DrStarfinder ( talk) 22:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)DrStarfinder
The Musical References section includes these references:
In 1990, a UK psychedelic Ska Punk band named themselves AOS3 after Stanley's initials, culled from a chapter of the book "The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love". They used an Image of Stanley as a t-shirt graphic, and named their first tape release simply "Owsley".
Glasgow psychedelic pop group The Owsley Sunshine, take their name from a brand of LSD produced by Stanley.
Australian band The Masters Apprentices released a song called "Our Friend Owsley Stanley III" in the late 60s.
How are references to Owsley by completely obscure, inconsequential groups at all encyclopedic?
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I removed the copyright lyrics to a Steely Dan song because there is no non-speculative evidence that the song in question is about Owsley Stanley. I've read that Messrs. Fagan and Becker have never confirmed this rumor, and that the best critics can say is that it may be partly inspired by Mr. Stanley. That's not a good enough reason to include the lyrics to half of the song in this, only apocryphally related, article.
My edit was reverted, and so per WP:BRD, I'm here on the talk page documenting the reason for my edit. If there's no response in a while, I'll remove the lyrics again. - 68.185.201.26 ( talk) 18:55, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Now, if I question whether something in an article is a fact, it is not incumbent on me to find references for it. You, however, wrongly re-instated copyright lyrics (leaving no edit summary to communicate w/ anyone), and you only did the proper work of removing the copyright material and adding references after I bugged you. The request for references was not "spurious", as you claimed in edit summary here, because this is a source-based encyclopedia, and no call for references is spurious.
Thank you for posting references, and for removing the copyright material, as I had already properly done. Next time, do it without having to be bugged repeatedly, and do it without talking down to other people.
Don't make me log in. - 129.120.40.157 ( talk) 22:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I was correct, however, when I said above that your reversion of my first IP edit was not in good form. You really did re-add copyright lyrics to the article without citing a source. That's straight-up wrong. Now you've fixed it, so we're all good.
Finally, I didn't remotely ignore the note on your talk page. I read it, wondered how I would know that you're paying attention to this talk page, and decided I should tug on your sleeve about it. I know that my watchlist is very, very large, and just because I revert an IP edit on some article, that doesn't mean I'm paying attention to its talk page, in the long run or even necessarily in the immediate future. I was actually trying to let you know in the politest way I could about my post here. Not everybody is in all places at all times, so I don't expect you to be. Thanks for listening. - GTBacchus( talk) 23:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that Dlabtot removed the reference to the alleged connection between Stanley's LSD and Jimi Hendrix's song "Purple Haze", commenting that it was "not worth tagging as I'm sure no source exists for this." The Purple Haze story has risen to a level somewhere between urban legend and rock folklore, and in the past Wikipedia has coughed up at least one dubious reference in its favor; it was mentioned as being "commonly believed" in a paragraph about the Hendrix song in the indian newspaper The Hindu. However, it appears that Owsley himself debunked the theory in his response to a post by Scott Beale of Laughing Squid about Stanley's rare interview with Joel Selvin of the San Francisco Chronicle. (Beale legitimized the comments as indeed being from Owsley in an update to his post.) The reason I bring this up is because the story is mentioned in the Wikipedia articles on Hendrix and the song, so for consistency's sake it would seem to me that either it should be removed from those as well or allowed to remain here. Personally I think it's worth mentioning as a persistent and controversial legend that has found its way into rock folklore but on good authority (Stanley himself) appears to be false. - Elmarco 06:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Note that in the 1960s, popular strains of cannabis were much more "psychedelic" than today's "medical" strains. One of the first strains created in the U.S. was "Haze" which originated in Santa Cruz, California in the early 1960s. One variant has a purple color (not unusual for cannabis) and is called "Purple Haze". It is not clear whether that name was used before or after 1967 - if before, it might have influenced Hendrix, and in those days, any overt drug references were simply not allowed. Of course, if the variant occurred after 1967, then it was likely named after the song, as cute word play. 162.205.217.211 ( talk) 23:44, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I think most of the US media got his date of death wrong, probably because of the large time difference between Australia and the US (15 to 18 hours). The Australian newspaper of record, The Australian, reports his death for Saturday, March 12, 2011, as does NPR.
The article mentions his place of death as Queensland; if one reads the article carefully, one might be able to deduce that it was in Far North Queensland. That's still a large place; why not write: "A statement … near his home in Mareeba, Queensland." -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The date was indeed wrong, but not due to the time differences; since he died at around 6 or 7 PM in Australia, it was still Saturday March 12 throughout the world. No, the error stemmed from the ambiguously written family statement, which, written on Sunday, stated that he "died yesterday," but then wasn't released to the press until Monday. I know because I wrote the damned statement, but it's hard to reference that sort of knowledge here, so I've had a devil of a time correcting the mistake. Thankfully, the NYTimes obit writer was kind enough to insert a correction into their obit, so the same reference link now shows the corrected date. Hopefully this will settle the issue; my prior attempt to correct this error was undone due to a lack of references. As though the papers get everything right all the time! Ha!
Twice today, I have attempted to post something about Stanley being referenced by name in a Frank Zappa song. Both times, my post has been deleted. Can someone please tell me why? The first time, I thought it was because I had included the copyrighted lyrics, so my second attempt left out the actual lyrics, but it too was deleted. If there is some question as to relevance, even though Stanley's name is only mentioned once in the song, it is highly relevant to his legacy as the Frank Zappa album in question ("We're Only In It For The Money") was well-known at the time (1968) as a commentary on the hippie scene and all its trappings. Or have I unwittingly violated some other Wikipedia regulation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.47.243 ( talk) 23:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
OK, I saw the comment in the History section from DKqwerty. I've rewritten this post once again. It no longer contains "poorly sourced original research," because it is only a statement of fact: That Stanley's name appears in a specific Frank Zappa song. And if it's a copyright violation, someone's going to have to tell me how or why, because it doesn't include any lyrics at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.47.243 ( talk) 01:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to drop in like this, but with Owsley's passing I feel it's possible for a gloss of The Bear's life to celebrate an authentic assessment of the one-man renaissance he was... rather than just this one-scandal blurb [ie "LSD cook"] our materialistic media wants to regurgitate, where Bear is the punch-line for jokes about the Aquarian 1960's being some frontier dead end, beyond any social value.
No, his chemistry was authentic natural growth, in a free American space. A perky part of his inscrutable alchemy with the larger picture around him, one profound hologram phase within a deeply romantic shaman journey. He drew gold from the earth & from us. His psychedelic vision of accomplishment ought to be portrayed as such- in a single flashback.
So, as I tried to do just that, I invite others to do it better. Style is ultimately a question good taste, where less is more. I'd only object if a more narrow context were re-introduced. Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 03:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Introduction reads like a fan page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debollweevil ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
This article is in serious need of rewriting to eliminate the worshipful fan-club tone that runs throughout it. 24.159.30.49 ( talk) 15:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I came here to say this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.140 ( talk) 19:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I doubt that this article could improve very much or should be changed very much. Some people would prefer to expand it into a hagiography, while others would rather contract it into a police report. Good historical writing tells more than "just the facts", it tells why people did what they did, what it meant to them, and what it felt like in its own context. That's why people still read Thucydides. His worth is not decreased because you can tell he liked the Greeks. Ornithikos ( talk) 05:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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This article is full of broad facts but not a great deal of detail (hence the "Start" rating). Owsley is an important cult figure among a dwindling subculture, but does not seem to be standing to the test of time for wide-scale notability (hence the "Low" priority). Er iel hon an 20:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC) You could say the same about Jesus. Let's see, he turned on the Beatles... how could that possibly qualify him as notable? He's had articles written about him (which is really Wikipedia's basic standard), and popular songs written about him. Is it possible you're just being a WikiNazi? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.87 ( talk) 21:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC) |
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https://eatmeatdrinkwater.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/the-bears-words-of-wisdom.pdf and http://ecologos.org/owsley.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.44.170.115 ( talk • contribs)
From Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/owsley-stanley-the-king-of-lsd-82181/ 208.44.170.115 ( talk) 21:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC) One of the links on the main page is from Bear's own blog. I think we can trust that his words won't change posthumously. 208.44.170.115 ( talk) 21:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Stanley believed that the natural human diet is totally carnivorous and that all vegetables are toxic, thus he embraced a no-carbohydrate diet. ref Owsley Stanley blog posting. 25 February 2006./ref He claimed to have eaten almost nothing but meat, eggs, butter, and cheese since 1959 and that he believed his body had not aged as much as the bodies of those who eat a more "normal" diet. He was convinced that insulin, released by the pancreas when carbohydrates are ingested, is the cause of much damage to human tissue and that diabetes mellitus is caused by the ingestion of carbohydrates.
Stanley received radiation therapy in 2004 for throat cancer, which he first attributed to passive exposure to cigarette smoke at concerts,ref Owsley Stanley blog posting. 2 March 2006./ref but which he later discovered was almost certainly caused by the infection of his tonsil with HPV. He credited his low carb diet with starving the tumor of glucose, slowing its growth and preventing its spread enough that it could be successfully treated despite its advanced state at diagnosis. ref A rebuttal of Owsley's position /ref AND ref Owsley's "Words of Widsom" /ref ALSO ref See Bear's "Diet and Exercise" Section /ref
There’s gotta be a better photo of the man than this profile shot of his arraignment. Anyone? Artificial Nagger ( talk) 04:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Is Melissa Cargill actually connected to the Cargill family that owns the agribusiness? I find no reference to a Melissa in the linked Wikipedia article. Her DOB is August 11, 1942, at least according to Twitter. 2601:441:4481:5C50:8D16:2931:273F:4BFF ( talk) 05:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)