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This person was born in Serbia. The spelling of a person's name doesn't change just because they work in another country (and plenty of words in English, especially names, use
diacritics). --
Ahecht (
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13:35, 3 June 2019 (UTC)reply
The spelling of a person's name doesn't change just because they work in another country isn't necessarily true.
WP:DIACRITICS advises their use in articles based on how the name appears in reliable sources. The article
Wu Chia-ching was moved to
Wu Jia-qing in 2011, when the subject moved to China and the romanization of his name began appearing in sources with a
Hanyu Pinyin-influenced spelling, rather than the
Wade–Giles romanization typical of people born in Taiwan.
José Canseco was moved to
Jose Canseco on a
MOS:ID basis (citing a
self-published source) in 2009. Whether or not diacritics should be removed, retained or added seems best settled by a comparison of
reliable sources.
Vycl1994 (
talk)
16:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Support + Additional info - In Australia he is commonly referred to as Milan Ivanovic without diacritic,
WP:COMMONNAME applies. Again, the vast majority of news article or webpages in general spells his name without using diacritic. He is Australian and has represented Australia in sport on several occasions.
Simione001 (
talk)
23:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Furthermore - Upon investigation, the Australian government Department of Home Affairs does not issue documents (such as citizenship or birth certificates) with diacritic. All names may only contain standard English alphabetic characters, that is 'a' to 'z' or 'A' to 'Z'.
Simione001 (
talk)
23:49, 3 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Not sure exactly what you mean and I'm not familiar with the previous discussion in relation to Ana Ivanovic so I cant comment on that specifically but in English it's spelt Ivanovic without using diacritic as it would would appear in most news articles. On her Croatian wikipedia page
[1] it's spelt Ivanović which I have no problem with. Anyway, this is problem not the place to discuss Ana Ivanovic.
Simione001 (
talk)
01:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)reply
It was just to see where the subject is heading, and the answer "but in English it's spelt Ivanovic" tells me there's a misunderstanding about font limitations behind these moves.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
12:42, 4 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - the oppose !votes in this discussion don't really stack up, and mostly seem to be based on personal preference for diacritics. All the evidence presented suggests that there are virtually no English sources calling him Milan Ivanović, so it would be unusual and a breach of
WP:COMMONNAME to style him otherwise. This includes sources
such as this one, which routinely put diacritics on other player names but to not put one on Ivanovic. And the fact that he has lived in Australia for 30 years is of course relevant, as it makes him basically a native of an English-speaking country. There doesn't seem to be evidence one way or the other on his personal preference in this matter so we might as well defer to the sources in this. Thanks —
Amakuru (
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09:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose It doesn't matter what ex-Yug player we're discussing, the lack of a diacritic will always be a problem since it's difficult to form on an English keyboard, so it's not a
WP:COMMONNAME. I think the
[7] Serbian source should hold here, especially since Serbian Cyrillic is a straight transliteration, and his name in Serbian is spelled with the ć.
SportingFlyerT·C08:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is just ridiculous. Yes, he played for the Australia national soccer team and naturalized for Australia citizenship, but that doesn't mean that his name is "English" or "Australian". He was born in Serbia, raised in Serbia, and his father had a diacritic in his last name. That is the legal name on his birth certificate, and driver's license, etc. Changing it for a minor inconvenience is really dumb.
KingSkyLord (
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12:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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