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The idea of this article is easy to understand, but I can't quite find the right way to phrase the title. Any help appreciated
SP-KP17:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Some discussion points
This article is coming along well. Any views on the following?
The article title
Inclusion criteria
Formatting
Referencing
Order of entries
How we deal with "nonspecific" entries - I've deleted the Afghan & Scottish entries for now, but maybe we should include them?
Whether we mention states and/or offices which have not had a female officeholder
I removed this because it is a political party and not a political office. if there is enough interest for political party members then maybe we could do a new section, but right now it seems a bit out of place and dilutes the significance of the page you have made. President of the Christian Democrat Party of Chile|Christian Democrat Party]] -
Soledad Alvear -
May 2006
Title-Difficult to think of a better one. Inclusion criteria, formatting, order-seems fine to me. Referencing-Would be difficult to find external refs, so we are stuck with internal refs. Criteria of mentioning it on the linked page sounds reasonable, but then how do we include people that have no page. Alternatively, if the person is in a list of Ministers, say, and is evidently the first female, that should be ok, even if not mentioned in in the page.
We should allow 'until-contradicted' info, eg I know that Winne Mandela was a minister in the first Mandela Govt, but I do not know, and have no way of finding out, if she was the first female, so I would suggest that she should be added, and if someone else knows better, then they can correct it. As it stands the article sayst that SA has had no female Minister, and that is less correct than saying that Winne Mandela might have been the first.
'Non-specific entries-I only added those as a link to trigger others to look up because I know that Scotland and Afghanistan had female ministers, but don't know who they were, and didn't have time to lookup. Perhpas 'Reqeusts for Info' should be added here on the talk page - see
Talk:Families in the Oireachtas for a similiar situation.
Sub-level states eg Wales, Scotland, NI, Uttar Pradesh, all 50 USA states, should probably be left out anyhow, and just stick to 'States' as define in
List of state leaders.
(This does not belong in the article but is a useful resource for developing it)
These
countries do not have a female holder of political office listed above. Most of these countries have had women represented in at least one level of government.
So all the millions of princesses, empresses, rulers, concubines (sometimes more powerful than the king), trade empire owners, that have existed for (recorded) about 6,000 years all over the world just don't count?
How about the generals who after dying were discovered to be females in "drag".
How about "the veiled sultan", high priestesses (sometimes of sects that absolutely forbid male participation), and assorted other offices all over the world that could ONLY be held by a female?
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