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But he is included. He is listed with the amount of medals you mention and has been so since very early versions of this list. Actually, he's the only athlete from Yugoslavia listed. I believe that list (medals through career) is very close to complete now. There might be one or two still missing, and if you spot one just add him/her, or let us know on this talk page.
Shanes (
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19:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)reply
If
Michael Phelps were from Portugal or another small country he would have many fewer medals, because so many of his medals are from relays where he needed his comrades, and it is much easier to win relays if your country is big and has many other top athletes in the same sport. The same is true for
Larissa Latynina and most of the others in this list. I think this obvious advantage for people from the big countries at least must be mentioned.
Olympicdreams (
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21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Whilst this is true (and ideally the table would include both individual and team medals separate as well), it's also the case that Phelps has more individual Golds (10) than anyone else had total golds.
Hackerjack (
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12:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Rankings questionable as athletes from dominant countries are favored
The section "Huge advantage for athletes from big countries" needs revision - compare the small country of Norway which dominated some of the winter sports. I should have written: If
Michael Phelps were from Portugal or another country that does not play a dominant role in swimming, he would have many fewer gold medals, because so many of his medals are from relays where he needed his comrades, and it is much easier to win relays if your country has many other top athletes in the same sport. The same is true for
Larissa Latynina and most of the others in this list. I think this obvious advantage of people from dominant countries must be mentioned, because it biases the multiple medalist rankings. Probably there should not be any rankings at all due to incomparability of the athletes. I suggest to remove the rankings and order the athletes in an unbiased way, say, alphabetically.
Olympicdreams (
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20:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
For the moment I just added: The ranking is biased towards nations with many top athletes in certain sports, since the athletes with the highest gold medal counts profit from relays and other team competitions typically won by dominant nations.
Olympicdreams (
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21:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Basement12 just undid this twice and wrote in the history: "Undid revision 236115779 by Olympicdreams (talk)It is unreferenced and extremely POV." But the table itself is the reference, isn't it? It is obvious from the table and its links to gold medal lists for individual athletes that the athletes with the highest gold medal counts profited from relays and other team competitions typically won by dominant nations. So the ranking itself expresses a POV, a bias towards athletes from dominant nations. I think this is a serious flaw; maybe the entire table must be deleted. But try to argue against this if you can!
Olympicdreams (
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22:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This table should not be deleted, it is simply a list of facts. The purpose of the article is to list athletes have won multiple gold medals, it is not the aim of the article to explain why.
Basement12(T.
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But it is not only a list, it is a ranking. The ranking imposes an order that goes beyond the mere listing of facts. I say: keep the list, remove the ranking. If you keep the ranking you insert a bias, making the ranking questionable, as athletes from dominant nations are favored.
Olympicdreams (
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22:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The ranking is also the way it is. You wouldn't suggest removing the ranking from a football league table just because a team had the advantage of more money, better players, etc.
Basement12(T.
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Basement12, you undid it again, without giving a more convincing justification. As I said, the ranking imposes an order that goes beyond the mere listing of facts. If you keep the list, remove the ranking. If you keep the ranking you insert a bias or POV without source, making the whole thing questionable, as athletes from dominant nations are favored.
Olympicdreams (
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10:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The ranking should definitely stay. So what if athletes from dominant nations are more likely to be at the top. The point is, they are still at the top because they achieved the result. It is completely neutral and a simple list and in a logical order of who has won the most medals. The ranking is absolutely factual and I'm not sure why you have a problem with it unless you have a personal motive.
Lympathy Talk10:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Recent editing frenzy
It looks like several editors were working on this list at the same time! As for my edits, the biggest changes were to use {{
sortname}} so that the name column would sort by family name and not the first name, and to use {{
flagIOC}} so that the country wikilinks are to
Australia at the Olympics instead of
Australia, for example. I saw the addition of the Summer/Winter column and the Male/Female column, so I quickly added that to my Excel sheet that auto-generated the table contents, but if there is consensus against that addition, it is easy to remove. —
Andrwsc (
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21:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I, for one, think your edit was a great improvement. Thanks! Being able to sort on gender and winter/summer-games is very useful, and also family-name, though the Chinese and the Koreans complicate the consistency somewhat here. I took care to add these names where the first name belonged in the alphabetical order when I made this list. But I think it's ok, and is a minor detail. I didn't like the reference-column that one editor added, though, and am not sure what it was intended for as every name can be looked up in the IOC database listed in the ref-section at the bottom. (There are some inconsistencies in the counts for some athletes (some athletes in team-events), but those can be elaborated on through a footnote in the name-coloumn where needed.)
I was also a bit skeptical about a rank-column, a POV-concern, really. But it's a minor one, and having that column has its advantages, too, so I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't make the table too wide for smaller screens and printouts. I guess we're still fine.
Shanes (
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21:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Why? The more the better, I think, as long as we're within Wikipedia's guideline for article size. Which we are even with 3 golds. Everyone with 2 Golds would be too much, though.
Shanes (
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12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Fully support the inclusion of triple gold medallists, as long as the page size remains within wikipedia guidelines. Undoubtedly, the list will increase in size with successive Olympics, and space considerations will one day force a minimum requirement for quadruple gold medallists to be on the list, but the list should not be truncated before then. Besides, at this point, excluding triple gold medallists would mean excluding Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Greece, India, Ireland and Slovakia from representation on the list, limiting its appeal.
Nudge67 (
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08:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Intercalated Games
Did anyone on this list other than
Ray Ewry win any medals in 1906? I suggest something like this:
Medals won in the 1906 Intercalated Games are not included (this only/notably affects Ray Ewry, who won two gold medals at the Intercalated Games).
It affects more athletes than him. At the moment I don't remember who, but there are several athletes who now aren't listed that would have made this list and some who would have been higher if the 1906-games were included. I don't think we should start mentioning names in the article regarding this, it borders on POV who of them are notable enough to mention and who aren't. The Intercalated games aren't recognized by the IOC as olympic games, so, in my opinion, we should just stick to that and not count medals won in 1906 here.
Shanes (
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12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes but Ewry is the only one who is remotely close to the top of the list, and would be 2nd on the list if they were included. Since some sources include the 1906 games (e.g. my old 1970s Guiness World Record book), I think it's fair - and more importantly, informative to people who had read that Ewry had won 10 - to add a comment.
Adpete (
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06:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Alternative rankings
should there also be a section that states the following.
By clicking the little icon in each column, you can have the table sorted as you like it and for instance see who won the most medals. But there are some athletes who won lots of medals, but not 3 gold and therefore aren't listed here. For instance
Shirley Babashoff with 2 golds aren't listed here, but she won 6 silver which ties
Alexander Dityatin for winning the most silver medals. So maybe we could mention these, and the same with bronze. Need to be researched first, though. I don't know the complete records here. Does anyone?
Shanes (
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12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Years
I see someone has added 2000 to Phelps' years; he competed in Sydney but won no medals. OTOH
Paul Bert Elvstrøm is listed only for the years he got medals; he competed as late as 1988. This needs to be standardised one way or the other and then explained clearly above the table. I would imagine that most people are listed only for the years they won medals, since it's more tedious to check other years.
jnestorius(
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Yes, when this list was first made a couple of years back, I only checked when they had won the medals, not if they had also entered earlier or later olympics. And this is how the list still is, I believe, with the recent exception Phelps. I'll undo that edit, and add a note. If someone wants to change this and include all Olympics in the year-column, we should probably discuss it here first.
Shanes (
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09:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
a sailor with 10 or 11 gold in Olympic ?
about a decade ago I remember reading something about a sailor who have won 10-11 goldmedals in the Olympics. Does anyone else know anything about this.--
Ezzex (
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12:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I haven't heard or read anything about that, but the early sailing records from IOC are blury and often lacking (as are the records of the early shooting events), and there could be sailors who won 3 or more golds still missing from this list. But I very much doubt anyone won as many as 10. Maybe it was 10 medals? That could be.
Shanes (
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13:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't mind. But did you research this yourself, and if so, could there be people not on the main list who had records in total number of medals? Hmm,
Carl Osburn should push out
Hubert Van Innis from the total medlas list, shouldn't he?
Shanes (
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13:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I didn't research it myself so there could be some errors or mistakes. I just utilized the current listings in the chart and went from there. Additionally, I assumed that people won medals at the last olympics they participated in, but that may not be the case.
Remember (
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13:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
If you didn't resarch the list yourself, where did you find it, then? It's rather typical that they overlooked
Carl Osburn, he isn't the most well known olympian. (But at one point he was actually listed by the IOC as having 13 medals, 2 more in 1924 when he was on two American shooting teams, but didn't actually shoot). Anyway, by 1920 Osburn had 10 medals, that's one more than Van Innis with 9, so I don't think van Innis should be there.
Shanes (
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13:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
That is correct. I assumed that Osborn won two or more in 1924 and so was behind Van Innis up to that point, but if I am wrong, please change.
Remember (
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14:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I suggest we revise both timeline tables (as I have started to do) to state how many medals were won at each olympics. That way the tables will be more accurate.
Remember (
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14:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Timeline of Gold Medal Winners
Great section, only I think that silver, bronze and total medals should be removed from this section as it's not relevant and can cause a bit of confusion to the reader.
Lympathy Talk15:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
The problem with the timeline is that one is re-writing history. When Nurmi won his ninth gold, he did not think he was breaking the record because he would have known that Ewry had 10. It is only by the retrospective invalidity of the 1906 Games that Nurmi came to be the record holder when he achieved 9. I think you need to give the list as it appeared to the athletes at the time i.e. including 1906 until the IOC decided not to count it. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
84.67.146.3 (
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09:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Cindy Klassen missing from list
Sorry, I am not a regular user but I did notice a glaring omission in that Canadian Cindy Klassen is absent from this list. She won 6 medals, including 5 in Turin).
Thanks! McKell —Preceding
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199.212.129.2 (
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16:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, but only one gold. There are many other athletes with 6 or more medals who also aren't listed here, since this list is/was supposed to focus on the gold medals (hence the name). But if someone have the energy and patience to go through the IOC-records and compile a list of people who have won, say, 6 or more medals, then that could be an interesting list. But I suggest a new article for that, this article is already getting very large.
Shanes (
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16:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Is the current title of the page the correct one? Wouldn't it be better to rename it List of Olympians with most gold medals? Other suggestions? I just feel like the current title is awkward.
Remember (
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16:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
The page seems to be shifting away from just gold medals. A rename should be considered. But I cannot think of anything more appropriate at this stage.
Lympathy Talk16:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Too lazy to make an account to fix it, but make note that I'm pretty sure Michael Phelps does NOT have 22 gold medals. Did someone time travel? ;) Re-edit please. =D —Preceding
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66.8.204.130 (
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05:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Paralympics
It would be good to have an equivalent list for the Paralympics. French swimmer
Béatrice Hess, for example, has won a whopping total of twenty gold medals at the Paralympics (and three silver). I have no idea whether this makes her the most successful competitor ever at the Paralympics & Olympics, because I'm not sure where to find the information. I'll look around when I have time, and hopefully we can begin working on a
list of multiple Paralympic gold medalists.
Aridd (
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18:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Do you think this list will be "ready for prime time" at any point? I think I tried to turn a few of the red-links blue on it. I could maybe look to see if more names need added.--
T. Anthony (
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23:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your help. The problem is going to be twofold: the sheer number of multiple medallists, and ensuring, somehow, that we don't forget anyone. Given the workload involved, I can't commit myself to getting it done within the near future, unfortunately.
Aridd (
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13:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Could someone please amend his entry so that "(athlete)" does not appear but it still links to the correct page? I don't know how to do that in table like this. (It previously just had his name but linked to a disambiguation page.)
Salopian (
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07:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)reply
As this is a list of multiple Gold medal winners the rankings should be based entirely on the number of gold medals won, i.e. anybody with 3 gold medals should have the same ranking, regardless of the number of silver and bronze medals they have won. Otherwise this is effectively still partially listing by total medals won for which there is a seperate article.
Basement12(T.
C)15:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think the ranking is at worst harmless. It's fairly obvious how the current ranking works, so it's not sneaky or misleading. If someone wants to use the alternative ranking you suggest they can just glance up the table from whatever person to the top-listed person with the same number of golds and use their ranking instead.
jnestorius(
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As I have said previously "The list is incomplete". Please do add him and any others you know of who should be on the list, we have no single source to create this list from its simply being added to as we go.
Basement12(T.
C)22:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Won two gold, one silver, one bronze medal in winter Olympics (speedskating - 1984-1988-1992) and one silver in summer Olympics (cycling - 1988) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
83.163.41.240 (
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11:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)reply
This article has gotten too big. I suggest splitting it in two. One for List of multiple Olympic gold medals over career, and one for the rest. That first list was the only one here to begin with, those others just got added during the 2008 summer olympics. But these lists will only keep growing, and we might as well make the split now. Any objections or opinions?
Shanes (
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10:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)reply
Haven't heard any objections on this. I've tagged the section now, and will proceed to make the List of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games an article (list) of its own in a few days if nobody objects. This article is now over 150KB, and I really think we should split it.
Shanes (
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20:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I strongly agree with splitting. I suggest combining the career lists List of multiple Olympic gold medals over career, Most gold medals in individual events and Timeline of most gold medals in the present article, and moving the single-games lists List of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games and Timeline of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games into a new article (plus a new list Most gold medals in individual events at a single Olympic Games). The remaining section, Most gold medals in one event, could either be given a separate article (as would be most appropriate) or added to either of the first two articles. The most consistent division would be to have one article about single games, one about single events, and one about full career - the combination of single games and single events. Each article would include a list on individual performance and a timeline. --Gap9551 15:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding
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Gap9551 (
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Just go ahead and split it, Gap. I meant to do it myself long ago, but I just never got around to doing it. We've waited long enough, and this being between games is a good time to get it done. --
Shanes (
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10:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Leisel Jones missing G3S4B1
Leisel Marie Jones OAM (born 30 August 1985 in Katherine, Northern Territory, Australia)
Olympic medal record
Women's swimming
Competitor for Australia
Silver 2000 Sydney 100 m breaststroke
Silver 2000 Sydney 4 x 100 m medley relay
Bronze 2004 Athens 100 m breaststroke
Silver 2004 Athens 200 m breaststroke
Gold 2004 Athens 4 x 100 medley relay
Gold 2008 Beijing 100 m breaststroke
Silver 2008 Beijing 200 m breaststroke
Gold 2008 Beijing 4 x 100 m medley relay —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
115.128.0.163 (
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00:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)reply
As there has been some concerns about the stronger nations' athletes better possibilities to team medals, how about a "List of multiple individual Olympic gold medalists", excluding the team events? There could be seen how many medals each person won alone.
82.141.74.224 (
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11:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)reply
That is a good start. However, the basic list has over 400 entries and the "individual" list only 19. The same criteria could be applied to that list (at least 3 gold medals).
82.141.66.136 (
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00:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)reply
"The Olympics listed for each athlete only include games when they won medals"
... In which case it's incorrect (he missed out on a medal in the 400 m individual medley final an hour ago) to write 2004-2012 behind Michael Phelps' name just yet.
British Athletes??...
Why are there no British athletes mentioned on this list? Have I missed something? We have a number of atheletes who have won 5 or more gold medals. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.10.107.235 (
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21:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
The people with the same number of gold medals do not seem to be in any order. I looked at those with nine medals, and they are not alphabetical by name or country, nor are they by year. I think they should be ordered in one of these ways.
202.179.27.211 (
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10:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)reply
When I added some names to the individual gold medals list I put them in chronological order if they had same amount of medals.
Make91 (
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14:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)reply
I think a more meaningful list would be of the leading medallist(s) in each sport. Because it's much easier to win multiple sports in some sports than others.
Adpete (
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03:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Gender and Games sections swapped?
It looks to me like the "Games" category lists all the athletes' genders, while the "Gender" category lists the number of total medals. I don't know how to make that switch without majorly messing up the page, so I'm just bringing it to everyone's attention and maybe a more skilled editor can then address it. :) — Preceding
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Justagirl1275 (
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13:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Hate to rain on her parade, but shouldn't her ranking be lower, in the table for most individual golds in a single Olympics? Yes, she won 4 golds (and 1 bronze) this year, but 1 of those golds was the team gymnastics all-around. If you're going solely by individual events, then her entry should say 3 golds and 1 bronze for a total of 4 individual medals this year. Otherwise, if you're going to count team golds, Michael Phelps would have another entry for this year because he won 2 individual golds, 3 team golds, and 1 individual silver, for a total of 5 golds and 6 medals. — Preceding
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107.77.215.35 (
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21:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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