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What the feck is with "Labor Forum" being a Right faction? It's Marn's Left.
A Labor Leftie myself, although i agree with much of the account of this faction it seems very biased and unacademic, if more historical and bibliographical info could be included that'd be better. User:Leftie
Is the section, "Current members of the Labor Right", only for current members of federal parliament? The heading with "current members" doesnt make that very clear. What about state politicians and political figures associated with Labor Unity? 58.168.180.223 02:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Exactly where is the information found to identify that all these Labor MPs come from the Right faction? If no sources are provided I am considering wiping the list of names completely. Timeshift 17:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Names keep getting added to the non-referenced abyss. Something needs to change. "Everyone already knows/It is common knowledge" is not valid on wikipedia to address no-ref concerns. It is however controversial to label where an MP is regardless of "common knowledge". Refs are needed. Timeshift ( talk) 04:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy - they embrace the market economy whilst "removing perceived injustices". How were Keating and Hawke moving away from this? Timeshift 00:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I changed a line that said 'A criticism of the dominance of the Right in the ALP is that it has led to a situation where the Liberal and Labor parties are virtually identical on some serious issues of policy, in particular economics, gay rights and abortion.' to 'A criticism of the dominance of the Right in the ALP is that it has led to a situation where the Liberal and Labor parties are virtually identical on some serious issues of policy, in particular economics and national security.'
This change is partly because gay rights and abortion issues are to more or lesser extent dealt with by conscience votes, so neither the ALP nor the Libs party positions to be similar to one another, partly because many members of the Right take quite progressive views on these issues and partly because these issues are ones that are mainly raised by groups in the non-Labor left - it's not something that regularly pops up in media commentary. Contrast this with national security, where Labor has just recently been panned over the Haneef affair from all corners of media. Dibo T | C 03:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
This page needs an update because of the outcome of the November 2007 Federal Election. There are now different people in different places. 202.155.163.221 ( talk) 11:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Does the image really relate to the article? Timeshift ( talk) 06:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The image is a Liberal Party attack add focusing on the phenomenon of the career path of Unionist to Party Worker to Parliamentarian which is not uncommon in the ALP and is a path dominated by the controlling factions. If you read the adjacent paragraph this pathway is documented and referenced and although it is by no means unique to the Labor Right it is very much part of factional political culture and patronage as I can personally attest to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titus Vespasian ( talk • contribs) 08:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, it does connect it to Labor Factions, and there are realy two major Labor Factions one of which is the Labor Right. Titus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.4.164.2 ( talk) 06:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
No need to get angry Mr Timeshift, If I miss the point its because I'm a bit of a doofuss. The point of the paragraph "Factional Control", made by left faction leader Martin Ferguson but talking about Labor factions in general, is that each faction controls Unions which in turn control votes at ALP governing bodies and in selecting candidates for office and party portions. This means there is a line of political patronage which promotes Union leaders or activists to ALP parliamentary seats. The liberals criticize this a nepotism, perhaps rightly in some instances. But don't worry too much, the conservatives are stacked with lawyers and thats lower than any job, union or otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titus Vespasian ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
By it nature its difficult to find sourced material on a political faction but I would love to see a list of Right wing unions in this article and perhaps a break down of the leaders within each state/territory entity and their derived union backers. This would give us slightly more clarity into the murky world of factional politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titus Vespasian ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Should this article be merged with Socialist Left to form a new page, perhaps something like Australian Labor Party factions? Regards, Ben Aveling 10:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The article asserts that there are 41 current Federal M.P's in the Right faction, yet I counted 44 names. -- Mrodowicz ( talk) 16:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I guess we can only resurch and find out if particular members are in the faction and if that adds up to more than 41 then we need to check if there are any double names or incorrect names on the list. Obvious I know but in the abcence of access to the Labor Unity membership list its the best we can do.-- Godianus the Finder ( talk) 09:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
It is also possiable that the 41 figure is out of date. -- Godianus the Finder ( talk) 12:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Actualy, the numbers in Federal Parliament include House and Senate and I think the 41 may be just house numbers. -- Godianus the Finder ( talk) 13:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
There should be a list of members of the Right faction. The article on the Labor Left has such a list. I notice from the page history that there used to be a list of members in this article, but it was deleted by User:Timeshift9 and User:Lear's_Fool. Given the (alleged) importance of the factions in choosing the prime minister and makeup of cabinet, surely it's informative to have a list of members in the article. Cowrider ( talk) 22:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Might want to do some checking as it may be a misguided edit rather than vandalism. Timeshift ( talk) 00:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Under Political Views the Labor Right economic policy is described in contrast:
I removed the reference to democratic socialism. If anyone has any decent references to historical Labor policy that actually back up this statement then feel free to add it back in and cite it, but as it stands it seems as if someone has just misunderstood the distinction between social democracy and democratic socialism. There were certainly historical communist elements in the ALP, but no "tradition" of social ownership and the ALP-AC split was largely red-baiting along Catholic sectarian lines. AFAIK - MVHVTMV ( talk) 04:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
There is such a thing as tradition. It's time for people to stop putting it in scare quotes. 2001:BB6:7ABE:4F58:DDE2:E398:87CE:E3A3 ( talk) 18:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Labor Right is plainly centre-left, not centre-right. It is only right in the context of the ALP. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 07:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Examples of policies held by the faction are given without citation or support. It is not clear which organisation comprising the faction advocates for these policy positions or whether they are held consistently across th3 faction. The examples give ln are: "such as the economic rationalist policies of the Bob Hawke and Paul Keating governments, including floating the Australian dollar in December 1983, reductions in trade tariffs, taxation reforms such as the introduction of dividend imputation to eliminate double-taxation of dividends and the lowering of the top marginal income tax rate from 60% in 1983 to 47% in 1996, changing from centralised wage-fixing to enterprise bargaining, the privatisation of Qantas and Commonwealth Bank, making the Reserve Bank of Australia independent, and deregulating the banking system." Ping99 ( talk) 23:16, 11 February 2023 (UTC)