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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The quest for what AjaxSmack calls the 'more accurate transcription' may never terminate, due to the indeterminacy of transliteration. We still have
WP:COMMONNAME though. If at some point 'Kazak' takes a clear lead over 'Kazakh' in the best English-language sources then we may have to revisit. It seems we aren't there yet, and there is not enough evidence to give up the 'kh'. Two editors provided ngram searches. A naive search of Google books for 'kazakh' vs kazak' still gives 2:1 for the 'kh'. The root of the issue seems to be the different varieties of 'K' in the Kazakh language. The
talk thread on the Russian Wikipedia is instructive. The spirit of COMMONNAME suggests we should be deciding this at the word level and not the level of phonetics. By accepting whichever word the authors of English-language works have chosen to use, we are accepting their decision on the phonetics. This appears to be what
User:Ezhiki is saying in his comment.
EdJohnston (
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21:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Thanks for trying to sort this out. The lede and the categories are already using the "Kazak" spelling; I saw "Kazakh" in this title and later categories and thought "Kazak" was an error. I don't have strong opinions here. Either way, we should be consistent and follow usage in English-language sources. Since "Kazakh" is the usual English spelling, I think we should prefer that unless sources specifically refer to this state as "Kazak". --
BDD (
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14:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)reply
WP:RUS isn't really applicable here. Its primary purpose is to help romanize toponyms which have little to no coverage in academic literature in English. For an entity of this scope, however, it makes more sense to research which variant is more commonly used in English, and at the first glance,
Kazakh ASSR seems to be a lot more common. Both variants should be given in the text, of course. Note I'm not !voting, since I haven't done proper research and may be wrong in my interpretation of the ngram results.—
Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (
yo?); September 24, 2015; 15:25 (UTC)
Support. I encourage editors to peruse the ngram results and not just look at the numbers. Numerous false and semi-false positives (e.g., "Under Soviet rule the Kyrgyz (Qirghiz, i.e., Kazakh) ASSR was created") abound. After a brief look, I find that quality sources use both the k and the kh versions. In this case, go with the one that is a more accurate transcription. —
AjaxSmack01:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The current article title isn't a transliteration or transcription; it's a translation and "Kazakh" is more common than "Kazak" in English-language sources.
DrKiernan (
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18:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose per DrKiernan, whom I thank for articulating that. While I still want to reiterate the need for consistency within this article and with its corresponding categories, I don't see a compelling reason to prefer to the "Kazak" spelling, which is less common in English. Assuming the Cyrillic names in the ledes of this article and
Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic are correct, we're looking for an English rendition of "Қазақ" in both cases. --
BDD (
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20:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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