Talk:james Dooley (new South Wales Politician)

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Moved, 28 December 2022, to James Dooley (Australian politician), see discussion.
Moved, 14 May 2024, from James Dooley (Australian politician) to James Dooley (New South Wales politician), see discussion.

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For some reason Dooley's link in the table is pointing to James Dooley when it should be pointing to James Dooley (Australian politician). I don't know how to fix this. Can someone help? 203.122.218.47 14:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Fixed now by editing Template:NewSouthWalesPremiers -- Scott Davis ^Talk 09:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC) reply

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Requested move 28 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 17:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC) reply

James Dooley (politician) → James Dooley (Australian politician) – Insufficient disambiguation, as James H. Dooley and James Dooley (judge) were also politicians. BD2412 T 16:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Support per nom. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC) reply
Support James H. Dooley has 281 views and the judge has 6 compared with only 21[ [1]] for the Australian politician. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC) reply
Support per nomination, ModernDayTrilobite and Crouch, Swale. Incomplete disambiguation, indeed. This was apparently an early contention over 17 years ago, in November 2005, as evidenced by Talk:James Dooley (Australian politician)#Untitled, above. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC) reply
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC) reply

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Requested move 14 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 11:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

James Dooley (Australian politician) → James Dooley (New South Wales politician) – Although the move of James Dooley (politician) → James Dooley (Australian politician) was unanimously supported a year-and-a-half ago at Talk:James Dooley (Australian politician)#Requested move 28 December 2022, above, James Monaghan Dooley was also an Australian politician. Thus, similar to James Dooley (Rhode Island politician), rather than the currently redlinked James Dooley (American politician), since James H. Dooley was also an American politician, James Dooley was not the sole Australian politician. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Support the New South Wales one has 85 views but has Monaghan has 12[ [2]] which probably isn't enough for a PDAB. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 17:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. I just added a hatnote pointing to James Monaghan Dooley. That should work at least as well as redirecting this title to a dab page. Station1 ( talk) 19:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
If this incomplete disambiguation remains as is, one could make an argument for moving James Dooley (Rhode Island politician) to the redlinked James Dooley (American politician) and adding a hatnote pointing to James H. Dooley, thus avoiding yet another redirect to the dab page. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree, although these articles are so lightly viewed that it makes little to no difference (which is why I'm not outright opposed). The fact that no one has even bothered to bluelink James Dooley (American politician), even as a redirect to a dab page, means no one is looking for either man under that title (partly because James H. Dooley is perhaps not primarily a politician). Even the broader James Dooley (politician) redirect gets hardly any views. And now that this article has a hatnote, it's no longer incompletely disambiguated. Qualifying titles is only one method of disambiguating. Although the current title by itself is technically incomplete disambiguation (assuming James Monaghan Dooley is ever referred to as simply James Dooley), the hatnote completes the job, allowing the reader to get to the only other possibility at least as quickly and easily as they would if they had to find their target on a dab page. Station1 ( talk) 00:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

James H. Dooley was indeed known for various judicial, business and philanthropic activities that were notable 150 years ago, but had he not served three terms in the Virginia House of Delegates, the eligibility of his Wikipedia article might have been challenged.

Similarly, although the main title header of the later American legislator's entry is James Dooley (Rhode Island politician), the lead sentence is, "James E. Dooley (1886–1960) was a leading sports figure in Rhode Island." Indeed, it is not until the article's third paragraph that we learn, "Judge Dooley was a member of the Rhode Island General Assembly." Again, however, had he not served in the Assembly, his part-ownership of sports teams, a hundred years ago, might not have been sufficient for article notability. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Also, it may be noted that cite 4 under James Monaghan Dooley#References shows that he was, at some point, referenced by the short form of his name: "Map – L/8 – town of Latrobe, Victor, Gilbert Sts, various landholders, surveyor James Dooley, 1886". — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.