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How can I nominate this article into Did you know?
@
AntanO:, @
Robert McClenon:, @
Robertsky:, can any of you help me? I did read the DDY pages, Wikiproject pages etc yet failed to grasp how to do it. Even checked the sources of the already nominated nominations, they just cite templates without the text that is appearing on the page itself? I have hard times with those templates and coding. Thank you in advance
Sorry. I do not understand coding well. I did look at DYK pages, I even reached at the nomination (talk page), I looked at other nominations but I fail to understand how it is done. --
81.213.215.83 (
talk)
08:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
@
81.213.215.83: I can't say I agree with that assessment, but I'm happy to explain my rationale and hear other opinions! In my opinion, "possibly" sounded extraneous (since an estimate is, definitionally, a possible guess). The concise point of the paragraph is that Mclynn estimated the Khwarezmians army at 60,000 (and the Mongol army at 20,000), which to my understanding is fully true (he did offer that estimate, and, in my opinion, it does not need hedging with additional words, since the uncertainty of any estimate is implicit).
Likewise, removing "possibly" came with the added benefit of removing the scare quotes, which I thought a reader could interpret as sarcastic (especially due to the already slightly awkward phrasing of the paragraph).
Overall, I think the section is significantly clearer and easier to read in its current form.
Sorry for late reply, only just I realised your reply,
GrammarGuardian2021. I understood and agree with your rationale. The reason I objected was, as I explained previously, Mclynn states that word explicitly but as I have re-written as "he estimates" then no need for "possibly". --
81.213.215.83 (
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02:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)reply
About the outcome of the battle
Hello, . I have seen your re-phrasements and thank you for that but in the lead section of
the current version you have stated that "the battle ended in victory for the Khwarezmian army after the Mongols abandoned their camp and yielded the field." Putting aside the question about whether it is an original research or not. I, as the editor who have created this page and attributed all the references, shall note that only the 3 sources mentioned in the infobox state that this was a victory by Khwarezmians while all of the remaining sources cited in this article state the battle was indecisive. We shall reflect both sides. --
81.213.215.83 (
talk)
21:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Also, @
Fritzmann2002:, why is the template is put on the article? If it is for that "Subutai's retreat shall go unnoticed" part, then all those cited sources DO mention that part. It does not need further verification --
81.213.215.83 (
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18:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)reply
@
81.213.215.83:, I'm going to take another look at it and probably rewrite the lede section to be more indicative of the content of the article, but as for the latter point, if it is in the sources, just add another inline citation to indicate that. Most of the sources are not in my native language, or are not linked, so I can't read them to discern whether or not the article reflects what they have to say accurately. All I can see is that there was a whole paragraph of information that did not have any inline citations. Best wishes,
Fritzmann (
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14:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Add "the" before "Mongol conquest of the Khwarazmian Empire"
"On the Irghiz River, Aktobe Region, Kazakhstan" → "On the Irghiz River (modern day Aktobe Region, Kazakhstan)" as it makes reference to a modern place
Remove "Modern historians estimate" from both strength parameters in the infobox
I moved the article's three campaignboxes into the infobox
"The battle is described, in varying levels of detail, by four separate chroniclers" → "The battle is described in varying levels of detail by four separate chroniclers" unnecessary commas
"assembled a force of his own, and rode to meet them" → "assembled a force of his own and rode to meet them" unnecessary comma
Done
"at least one modern historian" which modern historian?
Done
Who is De Hartog? Include his first name
Done
Who is Sverdrup? same as above
Done
"it is often cited" by who?
Everyone, and I do mean everyone. I've attributed it to Barthold
I see, alright.
What's the relevance of the quote?
To illustrate the Shah's reaction. It's not necessary, should I remove it?
I personally don't see it's connection to the events, and it isn't necessary for the article so it should be removed.
Done
Overall
Coverage seems to be sufficient for what is known about the battle. It is interesting to me that we don't even know for certain what year it occurred in.
No war edits ongoing on the page.
Categories are good.
Article is well referenced.
Sources are reliable.
I saw that
Category:1209 in Asia did not exist, so I created it and added it to the page.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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Overall: Article achieved GA on 9 March, and RPS is easily over the needed min. Nom has 3 DYK credits so no QPQ required. Hook is definitely interesting, and sourced inline in the article by numerous sources in the "Chronology" section. Earwig looks good, and every paragraph is sourced well. Looks good to me.
PCN02WPS (
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22:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The title appears to be descriptive, at least, I am not finding any sources that use the exact same title which don't appear to have copied it from WP. Unless the title is a proper name consistently capitalized in RS, it must be lowercased (eg
Irghiz River skirmish) (
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c) buidhe15:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Infobox edits
To the IP who keeps trying to edit the infobox to display a Khwarazmian victory and increase Jalal al-Din's contributions, all sources are very clear that the battle was indecisive at best and that Muhammad II was in command. If you want to overturn this, you will want to find reliable sources of your all and cite them.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
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14:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply