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www.kosovothanksyou.com say that the following countries recognize Kosovo:
Albania Argentina Australia Austria Belgium Bulgaria Canada Cote d'Ivoire Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Fiji Finland France Germany Greece Greenland Hungary Iceland Ireland Israel Italy Japan Kuwait Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Macedonia, FYR Malaysia Malta Mauritania Monaco Montenegro Morocco Netherlands New Zealand Norway Pakistan Poland Portugal Saudi Arabia Slovak Republic Slovenia Sweden Switzerland Tonga Tunisia Turkey Tuvalu United Kingdom United States —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.255.18 ( talk) 23:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
It also says that it is the Republic of KOSAVA not the Republic of KOSOVO
Poland is going to recognize Rep. of Kosova, my source is in Albanian but a reliable source which says "Prime minister of Poland Donald Tust has announced today that his government will recognize the independence of Kosova in the assmbly held on Tuesday. ETC ETC"
LINK = http://www.kosova.com/artikulli/44635 also LINK = http://www.poland.pl/news/article,Polish_PM_wants_to_recognize_Kosovos_independence_President_advises_caution,id,314969.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.206.162.123 ( talk) 19:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There's no such thing as "states that have recognised" (past tense). The title is WP:CRYSTALBALL at best. Also, the article needs to be merged with Foreign_relations_of_Kosovo#States_that_have_recognized_the_Republic_of_Kosovo (For the love of God, see the name of that section!). Now would be a good time. Main page can be always corrected. I'm saying this is not controversial. It's merely an editorial view (the first one IS though). Niko Silver 00:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
International recognition of Kosovo ? Can be neutral, no ?
Kormin (
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00:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed the tag and fixed the double redirect from the main page (there may be more) and now, I'm going to bed. J Milburn ( talk) 00:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually no. There can't be a neutral title as of yet. A neutral title should take consideration of what I say in my move summary, [1] and I can't see that happening (unless the title has the size of a train). Niko Silver 00:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971916/posts
Times of India has a report on the meeting. -- Hemlock Martinis ( talk) 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I doubt that the Security Council will be able to take a position on the Kosovo declaration of independence: countries with veto power have taken up both sides. Pro independence: USA, UK, France (I think). Anti independence: Russia and China. Because of that, I suspect the following will occur: a move to approve recognition, vetoed; a move to deny recognition, also vetoed. — Rickyrab | Talk 00:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Is the EU itself expected to take a stand on official recognition? Is the EU in the business of recognizing states? What sort of permission from its members would it need?
I'm asking because the article states that Croatia and the Czech Republic are waiting on the EU before making a decision. скоморохъ 01:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The EU works in the following way, effectively every country is free to make its own derisions, the EU can only speak out what has been agreed by all member states. If all EU members where intending to recognise Kosova then the EU would state its recognition, however it would also be up to each member state to recognise it formally. If even one EU country had flat out opposed any of this then the EU could not take any stance on the issue at all. What will happen (has happend), is that all EU countries will agree to support the effort to secure peace and rights and freedom in Kosova, but not all countries will agree to formally recognise it. 86.111.162.127 ( talk) 13:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
On the subject of EU "recognition" (or whatever you want to call it), we seem to have a misread source. The article introduction (citing the Washington Post) talks about "formal EU recognition" in exchange for Kosovan acceptance of EULEX; the referenced Washington Post article, when I read it, only talks about "most of the European Union," as in most of its member states. The way this is represented in the Wiki article is NOT accurate at all (Spain, Romania, Cyprus, et al are strongly opposed to formal recognition, and no such recognition will go through without their consent) and I am editing that sentence to make it accurate. Vonschlesien ( talk) 08:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Xinhua reports that the foreign ministers have decided that the EU won't recognize a country, but instead leave it up to the member states. Keep an eye out for announcements from those nations that said they were waiting for the EU's response, since they'll likely decide soon. -- Hemlock Martinis ( talk) 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
On 18 February 2008, the European Council published its conclusions on Kosovo followin the 2851st EXTERNAL RELATIONS Council meeting. Although the document does not clarify whether the EU recognised Kosovo or not, the last paragraph implies that Kosovo's declaration of independence is not a violation of international law and UN Security Council decisions. Here is the paragraph I would like to quote:
"The Council reiterates the EU's adherence to the principles of the UN Charter and the Helsinki Final Act, inter alia the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity and all UN Security Council resolutions. It underlines its conviction that in view of the conflict of the 1990s and the extended period of international administration under SCR 1244, Kosovo constitutes a sui generis case which does not call into question these principles and resolutions." Full text: [2]
Having said that Kosovo consitutes a sui generis case, we can conclude that all 27 EU member states have approved this statement unanimously. Yesterday, the Rep. of Cyprus Foreign Minister stated that Kosovo's UDI is legally invalid, now she approved the EC statement that this UDI does not constitute a violation of international law. Isn't this a dilemma? Can we conclude that the European Union has not decided whether to recognize Kosovo or not, but does not consider its declaration of independence illegal or "legally invalid". Any thoughts on that? Wikiturk ( talk) 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Namely, WP:NOT#CBALL... Unless an article is written about the dates on which various countries recognized the independence of the US (for example), this list falls outside the guidelines... Tomer talk 04:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The biggest problem with this "article" is in its very name... there are no criteria outlined for inclusion, so everything is dumped into it, without regard to the unasked question "Expected ... by whom?" Then we find in the list a section for countries "planning" recognition, among which I've only taken the time to examine the sources cited for the USA, and found that neither of them indicates that the USA has made any statement regarding recognition... although 3 Democrats have said that they'd like to see the US recognize Kosovo. In fact, from what I can see, the only entity "expecting" the US to recognize Kosovo is Reuters! That certainly doesn't qualify for the bald assertion that the US is planning to recognize Kosovo. Tomer talk 07:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[3] This should be taken into account in the Japan section. Contralya ( talk) 06:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Their difference is oblique. Some on the "not to" list have reasons to not do it 'at the time being' yet some on the "other" list are about the same. -- Leladax ( talk) 07:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The head of the section shouldn't be contries planning not to recognize or contries planning to not recognize. Those countries (Russia, Spain, etc.), have, according to the sources, already stated that they DON'T recognize the declaration of independence, and that they support Serbia's claim of territorial integrity. So, this is not a plan to not recognize, this is already the action of not granting recognition.
And we must remember that, under international law, only the recognition is a formal act, since the decision is made in writing, according to a certain protocol, etc. The act of not granting recognition, on the other hand, does not require such formalities. A country that does not recognize Kosovo need not reply to the Kosovar appeals for recognition, since they do not acknowledge the Kosovar "authorities" seeking recogition as having diplomatic status. Thus, such country can merely deny recongition by making an explicit statement of that position, for instance, in a press conference by the Foreign Minister, etc.
Denial of recognition works by omission, since one is not required to indicate denial by a formal document. Accordingly omission of a formal act of recognition of independence, coupled with a declaration that one does not recognize the declaration, or that one does not intend to make the act of recognition in any circumnstances, or that one support's Serbia's claim of territorial integrity, is already evidence of the decision not to recognize.
And Russia, Spain, etc, have already asserted in unequivocal terms that they do not recognize the declaration, and have indicated that they support Serbia. So, instead of saying that those countries plan not to recognize Kosovo, it should be stated that they recognize Kosovo to be a part of Serbia or that they have stated that they don't recognize Kosovar independence. -- Antonio Basto ( talk) 14:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[4] Luxembourg is included in the so called 'second wave'. Contralya ( talk) 08:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Edit the map! 82.131.76.50 ( talk) 17:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
This article [5] states in Latvian, that Latvia will base its decision on the decision of EU. I couldn't find a translation of the article in English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.58.194.243 ( talk) 08:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Latvia will recognize independece of Kosovo in next few days. Source:
http://www.apollo.lv/portal/news/72/articles/120828 Statement by minister of foreign affairs M.Riekstiņš. —Preceding
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159.148.73.46 (
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16:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Latvia recognized independence of Kosovo [6] -- M2ger ( talk) 13:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Edit the map! Piilu11 ( talk) 14:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
LATVIAN PEOPLE DON'T SUPORT "INDEPENDENCE" OF SEPARATIC AND OCCUPIED KOSOVO AND METOHIA.
Problems:
Brazil has the Cyprus
Canada has the Brazil flag
Portugal has the Canada flag
Sweden has the Portugal flag.
The templates are edit protected. I am going to fix it the old fashioned way until an admin that sees this fixes them. Balkan Fever 09:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I cannot imagine that we would have this website in a few years time - can you imagine us having List of states expected to recognise Montenegro or Countries that recognise Eritrea? I suggest we have this article entitled Unilateral Declaration of Independence (Kosova), as we have for other entities. Kransky ( talk) 11:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Announced won't recognize independence of Kosovo. Someone should find a source and add. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 11:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Is India aganist it? http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=68188, ( talk)
I found this article
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/02/19/stories/2008021959721000.htm
The article quotes the Foreign Office and says that the official standing of India is that sovereignty ans territorial integrity of all countries should be fully respected and that India supports further dialog of the concerned parties.
I think that India should be moved on the list of countries which have expressed concern over unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations.
Some information is needed on Iraq and other middle-eastern countries. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 12:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
What about Cuba. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 12:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't believe Cuba will recognise, as Belarus, North Korea, Iran and Venezuela... Kormin ( talk) 15:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
"Countries planning not to recognize" vs. "Countries plaining to not recognize":
This article should be renamed International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. Kingturtle ( talk) 13:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
...won't recognize Kosovo. Any source? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 15:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
No sources yet about Kazak'... Kormin ( talk) 15:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
People should actually READ sources. President Bush stated that an independent Kosovo was something that he personally was for, but the USA won't immediately recognize Kosovo. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 15:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
This: [7] says that there has been no official recognition. What the news agencies is saying that the US has recognized it, but they are only talking about bush saying he supports it. In your source, it just talks about what he said in an interview. Contralya ( talk) 16:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this source the US has recognized (or is going to recognize) kosovo —Preceding unsigned comment added by ReluctantPhilosopher ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
What does it change, really. They do not recognize Kosovo juts right now, but tomorrow, or tonight, or in 2 days ! Kormin ( talk) 17:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The reference provided says Bush stated that "The Kosovars are now independent.". That does not constitute formal act of recognition, therefore I'm removing the US from the list of states that recognised Kosovo.
Nota bene: I'm not doing that because I hate Kosovo or something, it is quite obvious that US wil recognise Kosovo sooner or later. The problem is that order in which states recognised Kosovo is important. Therefore, please keep US off the list until it formaly recognises kosovo. Thanks, 90.157.254.177 ( talk) 15:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
US has officially recognised Kosovo. See http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2008-02-18T131827Z_01_HAM534379_RTRUKOC_0_US-KOSOVO-SERBIA.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-worldNews-2
There has been no official recognition from the United States yet. Bush said he is for it but it didn't come into law.
Afghanistan has indeed recognized Kosova, being the first nation to do so. [9] I thought it would be Albania. (Maybe it has to do with how Afghanistan's government came to power: NATO intervention.) Contralya ( talk) 15:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I quote from the source: "The United States has officially recognized the former Serbian province of Kosovo's declaration of independence." So ? Kormin ( talk) 15:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[10] Bush said he was for it, but there has been no official recognition. The news agencies are only talking about bush's support. It is NOT official yet. Contralya ( talk) 16:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as "planning not to recognize". If the state says they do not recognize it that's it, they consider Kosovo to be what it was up until yesterday. And all countries that haven't specifically said they recognize Kosovo are in the group of countries that haven't recognized it. -- Avala ( talk) 15:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The map is wrong - it shows Afghanistan has recognized kosovo whereas it should be Pakistan that is shaded blue. ReluctantPhilosopher ([[User talk:ReluctantPhilosopher|talk]]) 15:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::But the article list says pakistan and not afghanistan!
ReluctantPhilosopher (
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15:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
This sounds to me like they haven't made up their mind, rather than deciding against it:
"We neither recognise nor not recognise," she said. "We are not intending to make a formal statement."
They don't explicitly say they are against it. So I guess that is why it is in purple, right? Contralya ( talk) 16:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
"We will neither recognise nor not recognise" sounds more like neutrality to me, than concern or a wish for further negotiations. NZ is in the wrong category IMHO Bazonka ( talk) 19:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Surely New Zealand should be blue on the map? David ( talk) 18:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080218/tts-kosovo-france-kouchner-ca02f96_1.html
France is "going to" recognize Kosovo this evening. Not done yet. Be patient ;). The same for UK and Germany. Kormin ( talk) 16:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
According to all others french source and the foreign ministry, France haven't yet ! http://fr.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080218/tts-kosovo-france-kouchner-ca02f96_2.html
France is going to send the letter tonight: "Le président de la République a écrit en ce sens au président du Kosovo, la lettre va partir ce soir et, dès que cet échange aura eu lieu, et bien, la reconnaissance par la France de l'indépendance du Kosovo sera acquise", a-t-il ajouté.
When the Kosovo will receive the letter, the recognition process will be ended. Not before !
I won't change anything in the article, because it's doesn't change anything, right now, tonight, or tomorrow ;) Kormin ( talk) 17:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[12]This says says that they are officially planning to recognize it, but haven't yet. This looks more concrete than the US links, since it has this quote from a foreign minister: "On behalf of the United Kingdom, I can announce that the British government has decided to recognize Kosovo," British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told reporters at the end of the EU foreign ministers talks in Brussels.
The UK minister's statement has got to be more concrete than an informal statement like Bush's was. Should this be marked as official recognition? In any case, there is the link.
I also found this [13]:
-"Germany will recognise the independence of Kosovo, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Monday.
"A majority of (European Union) member states will recognise a democratic, multi-ethnic Kosovo founded on the rule of law. Germany, too, will make this step," Steinmeier said following talks among EU foreign ministers in Brussels."-
I know all of this may not be official, but it is more concrete than most of the other nations on the list of 'planning to'. Perhaps a section of text quoting the respective Minister's statements? Contralya ( talk) 16:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
What about online mapping service such as Google Maps, Google Earth, Yahoo! Maps, and Live Search Maps? So far I see that Kosovo is still part of Serbia according to these websites. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 16:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a little bit of an edit war over adding UK, Germany, France, USA, Belgium and Taiwan to the 'have recognized' list. The way I understand it, there have been statements that the UK, Germany, France, Belgium and USA are confirmed to be PLANNING to recognize it, but haven't actually done it yet. Chances are they will have recognized it by a day or two from now. Should we take a vote or something? Contralya ( talk)
A big yes vote on semi-protection. As a perma-anon this would lock even me out, but the sheer volatility of this article's lists make it necessary. -- 85.5.222.103 ( talk) 19:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't get much more formal than this. You can't say that they haven't after reading these, can you? Contralya ( talk) 17:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
BBC confirm that the Western Great Powers now recognise Kosovo - [17] - Germany, Italy, France, Britain and America. David ( talk) 17:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
"Le président de la République a écrit en ce sens au président du Kosovo, la lettre va partir ce soir et, dès que cet échange aura eu lieu, et bien, la reconnaissance par la France de l'indépendance du Kosovo sera acquise", a-t-il ajouté.
The recognistion process is on the way. The french president will send the letter tonight, and the process will be complet when Kosovo governement will receive it. Not before ;) This is the administrative part of the process. So, if you are really "pointilleux", you can edit, cause France doesn't recognise Kosovo legaly, but doesn't change anything, tonight, or tommorow morning... Kormin ( talk) 17:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to template all of the refs. If someone can lend a hand, that would be appreciated. Spencer T♦ C 17:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should put numbered lists to know how many countries are in each section -- Cra del 17:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
1. Should North Cyprus be on the map?
2. Did Italy really recognize Kosovo (yet)? -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 17:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080218/tts-kosovo-union-ca02f96_1.html For Italy yes, as Germany, France and UK. Legaly not, cause the process is on the way, but right now, or tonight or tommorow change anything ;) Kormin ( talk) 17:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)