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Removed 'attention needed' tag - no immediate attention seen as required.
Buckshot0609:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Operation Warden was actually a UN Chapter 7 mission (i.e., "peace enforcement", vice peacekeeping). Additonally, Operation Warden only entailed the introduction of coaalition peace enforcement forces into ET. Once that was accomplished, INTERFET transitioned to "Operation Stabilise," which was fundamentally a humantarian relief/peacekeeping effort.reply
There are no sources confirming several informations in this article. It says, the ships NRP Vasco da Gama, HMS Glasgow and USS Belleau Wood, USS Mobile Bay, and USS Peleliu participated in this mission, but
this paper doesn't mention Vasco da Gama or Belleau Wood inside the INTEFET maritme forces.
Australians Prime Minister Howard talked about 17 nations participating in INTERFET, which are listed on official
INTERFET website of Australian Gov. The article mention 22 countries... --
J. Patrick Fischer (
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10:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)reply
I believe it would be informative to include the history on how Australia created this taskforce. Was it passed under any law in the country? Did the country consult the UN in the creation? etc.
sentausa (
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11:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)reply
All seems a bit far fetched but it is fairly much common knowledge that there was covert recon occurring prior to INTERFET actually arriving so makes me wonder if there is some truth to it all.
101.168.127.243 (
talk)
11:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)reply
Gday. I remember reading about this at the time and being sceptical. To be honest I'm not really sure Investigate Magazine is that reliable, so I would hesitate to include anything unless there was significant corroboration from a number of other reliable sources. From a quick re-read there seems to be quite a number of fairly obvious inaccuracies in that article in relation to other aspects associated with the topic (F-111s brought back into service by the US, details of the capabilities of the Indonesian vs Australian Defence Force etc which is crude at best and seems to use fairly dated research etc). I agree that it has been reported that the Australian and NZ SAS (probably British SF that were attached also) were involved in a range of activities prior to INTERFETs lodgment and that this would have *likely* included some form of covert reconnaissance etc; however, the details of these operations have not been officially confirmed and probably won't be for at least 30 years. That said, such activities are a long way short of the sort of direct action being claimed here, which is obviously far more overt than reconnaissance. According to the NZ Herald article you list above the NZDF denied it occurred (calling it "fiction") and I think that is fairly likely to be correct. I couldn't find any response from the ADF being reported and I haven't seen anything written about this since 2000, so I'd say it was just rumours or someone making something up for a laugh and a journalist believing it.
Anotherclown (
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03:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)reply
Given the tensions at the time, there is simply no way that Australian and NZ forces could have launched a large scale attack on West Timor and it to have not ended in a major shooting war (an incident where an Australian infantry platoon accidentally crossed into West Timor due to problems with their maps and exchanged gunfire with Indonesian forces sparked a major crisis, so imagine what 50 odd SAS troops killing 100 Indonesians would have resulted in). An attack of the size claimed here couldn't be covered up either. As Anotherclown notes, the story also lacks credibility due to obvious inaccuracies.
Nick-D (
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06:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)reply
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G'day, a recent change was made in the article changing "International Force for East Timor" to "International Force East Timor", per this diff:
[1]. However, the article title remains at International Force for East Timor. There is currently a redirect at
International Force East Timor back to this article. Should this be corrected and this article moved? From what I can tell the IP's change was correct (for instance see
here), but I do not know if there was consensus for "International Force for East Timor" for some reason. Thoughts? Regards,
AustralianRupert (
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00:35, 27 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The change may well be correct. I can't lay my hands on an official source at the moment, but I have a few books on the topic that were written by fairly reliable authorities and / or had some official support. Bob Breen's Mission Accomplished uses "International Force - East Timor" and David Horner's Making the Australian Defence Force presents it as "International Force East Timor". A Kiwi source by John Crawford and Glyn Harper Operation East Timor also uses "International Force East Timor".
Anotherclown (
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09:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)reply
G'day, this is an official Dept of Defence site (archived version):
[2]. Also, the campaign medal presented to soldiers who deployed with INTERFET was called the
International Force East Timor Medal, per this:
[3]. That said, I have a couple of books here that use "International Force in East Timor" and "International Force for East Timor", but they aren't official ADF sources. Regards,
AustralianRupert (
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14:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The following line: "Despite relatively short lines of communication, low expenditure of ammunition, fuel and other consumables, and limited personnel and equipment casualties, the operation strained the ADF's limited logistic capability and it was questionable whether it could have sustained a more high intensity deployment" linked to David Horner's book, is not compliant with Wikipedia standards. If it's questionable, who are asking the question? It is just David Horner pondering, or was their an inquiry damning the ADF's logistics? It seems this sentence is more lick click-bait. Given that the issue was raised in the paragraph, this commentary is pointless.
Travelmite (
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06:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)reply
It's material sourced to Australia's leading military historian. Other military historians have reached similar conclusions - for instance, Bob Breen in his book
Struggling for Self Reliance. The Australian National Audit Office also found that the logistical arrangements for the force were inadequate:
[4].
Nick-D (
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07:26, 9 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Indonesian Militia Causalties
These sources and also reading the body of the page you can conclude that at least 7 were killed and hundreds were captured [1][2][3] Germanator 19:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
^Horner 2001, p. 28. sfn error: no target: CITEREFHorner2001 (
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Infobox is off topic...
The infobox is off topic. The article is about The International Force East Timor (INTERFET), "a multinational non-United Nations peacemaking task force". It is not about a military campaign/battle/war/crisis that has two sides.
OK cool. I'm gonna be bold and strip the existing infobox right back, but due to time, leave the template for now. If you or someone else wants to put in a more appropriate box, even better. However,
African Union Mission to Somalia suggests that there is plenty of scope or that stupid "Allies - Opponents" infobox bloat/spam (
WP:INFOBOXBLOAT). Best to keep watching that! --
Merbabu (
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01:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply