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This article is looking good, only a few minor things
References go right after a full-stop, no spaces, only saw this once or twice
with references [7][4], please put reference 4 before 7, and do that to all of them where there are two references.
link weekend.marka.ua - Another comprehensive photogallery , remove another comprehensive, just photogallery
It was designed by Vladislav Gorodetsky, who was regarded as the Gaudí of Kiev, and built in the period of 1901-1902. It was built in the period of 1901-1902 by Vladislav Gorodetsky, who was regarded as the Gaudí of Kiev. Thats sounds better
(made out of cement), is that necessary? you mention it in the body so that wont be needed
Ok, I have implemented your above suggestions. But what do you mean by References go right after a full-stop, no spaces, only saw this once or twice? Do you mean the sentance Currently, the building serves as an official presidential residence,[3] used for official and diplomatic ceremonies, despite the House with Chimaeras already being officially opened as a cultural museum in 2004.[9] in which I need to move [3] to the end of the sentance? Thanks, —
dima/s-ko/04:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Thats fine. Take this example, There were also four wine cellars on the same level. [14] There is a space between the full-stop and the reference where it should look like, same level.[14] Hope that clears it up
M3tal H3ad04:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Only two problems now, There are three one sentence paragraphs and the part about the legends, one legend says, another says, a third says is badly written. Once these issues are addressed i will promote to GA.
M3tal H3ad05:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
I think I have fixed all of the above problems. I looked over the redudancy excersize, but do not recognize any more problems with the text... —
dima/s-ko/20:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Wow, only listed for one day (two hours?) and already on hold. I think this meets the GA criteria, but it would be nice for this to be the best GA possible and closer to A quality. I noticed though, that Vladislav Gorodetsky, who was regarded as the Gaudí of Kiev.[2] is stated twice, once in the second sentence of the lead and a second time in the == Architecture == section. This is then followed with a quote making the same comparison. I would recommend omitting this statement the second time and finding something else to say to begin this section, perhaps expanding on this building's art nouveau (or gothic imo) qualities. Best of luck dima,
DVD+
R/W21:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Well, google gives about 18,100 for House with Chimeras, and about 2,000 for House with Chimaeras so we should probably move it to
House with Chimeras. I kind of like Chimaeras as the title (maybe b/c its a more fancy name), but I don't really mind what is the title. If you want, we can move it to
House with Chimeras... —
dima/s-ko/21:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)reply
To-do bits during FAC
Sorry to add bits here as well but trying not to clutter the FAC page - these are to make the article more comprehensive:
More info
Daniel Balakhovsky - is there any further info? Just a word or two on his occupation and whether he was local (from Kiev) or not.
I have added some info on him.
Kiev Military District - what is this - a district or regiment.
I believe a district, although am not sure.
.. until the end of the 20th century. - better to just put the year here- less unwieldy
I don't know, I'd rather leave it as it is.. (no deal-breaker so no problem)
Any other recent ceremonies it's been used for?
Not that I know of.. I will search around to see if there were any ceremonies.. Also, there is an image of the building's original construction located
here. Do you think we should place it within the article, or are there already too many images?
—dima/talk/10:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I don't think that pic adds much to the article and the images are just the right number (well, would be nice to have a bit more text. My worry is the gallery, though no-one has objected to it thus far.)
Ok, I won't add it then. I think that the gallery gives a bit more idea of the exterior architecture of the building (like the elephant gargoyle, out of which in reality the rainwater flows..) I actually have more images like that that are interesting (a regular drainpipe made to look like a slithering snake - those I will add to the
commons.
—dima/talk/12:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Is there any further info on the legends -did his daughter really commit suicide or is that just a story - "slightly mad" is a bit vague - any elaboration? Some details on the firms that went bankrupt etc. in legend no. 3 would be great. cheers,
Casliber (
talk·contribs)
11:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I just checked
a magazine (which I already used within the article) and they state that it is just a story that his daughter died - she really lived a happy life. I will add that info. The information that firms that rented the premises went bankrupt was again taken out of the magazine, but they unfortunately do not elaborate more on the topic..
—dima/talk/12:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
There are some mess with ownership in sources. Balakhovsky is head of sugar factory «Blahodatinskoe» (
professioncompany) - factory is listed as owner of house after him. Then after factory - Samuil Nimech (Nemech) - but either from November 1916 or 1918. Ownership conflict is based on
[1],
[2] and even more confusing at
[3]. Can somebody take a fresh look ?--
TAG16:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
The following is not clear. Did Gorodetsky sell it (
[4]), or was it actioned by the Credit Association (
[5])? Also the article says "The building was built on Gorodetsky's own expenses" referencing to Malakov and Malikenaite books. But
here and
here we read that Gorodetsky took a credit in the Kiev Mutual Credit Association to build the house. --
Novelbank22:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I feel that old.kv.com.ua is more correct. On his own money could mean that he has built it for himself - not by contract for somebody else. But source of money is more clear in old.kv as they refer to papers and numbers. --
TAG01:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Given the references to papers, it seems reasonable for me too. Then the story looks like this. He took a credit in the first place (
[6],
[7]). He took another credit in 1912(
[8]), then he was deeply into debt (
[9],
[10]), then the builiding was auctioned by the Credit Association (
[11]).--
Novelbank02:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Also we know that Balakhovsky was the head of sugar factory "Blahodatinskoe" (strictly speaking, Ukrainain: голова правлiння, contemporary English: the Chairman of the Board of Directors), i.e. one of the owners of the factory. However, it's not clear, was the building a personal property of Balakhovsky (
[12]), a property of the sugar factory (
[13]), or initially, a personal property, then a property of the factory (
[14])?--
Novelbank02:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)reply
Redundancy
I have a one minor nitpick: the image description is slightly redundant, it currently reads:
The redundant parts are: 'a major
Art Nouveau building, in the
historicPechersk neighborhood.' as these two items have both been mentioned in the lead of the article.
To make the image description non-redundant, i think it should read as follows:
Also on a side note (i may have missed something here), in the image description it spells the word with with a capital W, when in the lead, and at the top of the infobox, it spells it with a lowe-case W, is there any special reason for this?
TwentyYears06:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)reply
It's
expected that everything in the lead is going to crop up again within the article, this doesn't make it redundant. The
guidelines for captions state that the captions need to provide context and relevance. I don't see the harm in the current description. Agree about the W though. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
GeeJo (
talk •
contribs)
07:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)reply
In most respects this is a good article, but it is obvious that the main writer was not a native English speaker, as there were several examples of poorly chosen English words. I have tried to fix some of these, but it is hard to do so with confidence when there is room for doubt about a basic fact, ie whether or not this building was originally intended solely for residential use. The writer has done a good job, but if articles can get featured without basic English usage issues being resolved, the FA process is inadequate.
Wimstead10:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)reply
This moniker is a bit troubling to me for two reasons:
The reference for this is not in English. This is undesirable in general; for a very subjective statement like this one, I think it's problematic.
Is this something he was called often by many people? If it was a common epithet of his, it should be so noted. If it isn't, and just this (or even a few) critics called him this, stating that he was "regarded as" such is probably OR.
I don't like unilaterally changing content in FAs, but I think this should probably be taken out unless a compelling argument can be presented. It could be replaced with something much more substantive. -
CheNuevara17:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)reply
Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to other language sources of equal calibre. However, do give references in other languages where appropriate.
So if no English language sources are found, foreign language ones may be used instead. However, after doing a bit of searching, I found an English language
newspaper article which states:
... and the beautifully mad Art Nouveau creations of Vladislav Gorodetsky, Ukraine’s Gaudi. His masterpiece is the House with Chimeras, a turn-of-the-century governmental building crowned with fantastical sea beasts.
Just to clarify, I didn't mean that we should use no foreign language sources -- I've used them myself in other articles. I just thought that for a statement like that, such an inaccessible source was problematic because of the nature of the statement.
I notice that mention is made of the ornamentation being constructed of cement. Shouldn't concrete be the correct word?
Ozdaren22:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)reply
I read the Russian cement article and it really comes down to a difference in language use. The difference being in English we make the distinction between concrete the finished product and cement a part of that product. So a literal translation is understandable but not 100%. My Russian is also not 100% (I should have attended all of those Uni lectures), do they have a word similar to concrete, perhaps beton?
Ozdaren01:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)reply
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