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The districts of the Mongols during the late Qing Dynasty. This list is mainly based on Menggu youmuji (蒙古遊牧記).
Regions under the direct control
Mongols outside the Qing Dynasty
The above was previously present in Mongolia (region). It amounts to administrative trivia from a period when the region of greater Mongolia was entirely under Manchu rule. It is not obvious to me why this information was considered relevant to the article. None of the red links have much chance of ever turning into articles of their own. Almost all of the few blue links are misdirected to other subjects of the respective same names (usually people instead of geographic or administrative entities).
Since Mongolia (region) is about to be turned into a redirect to Greater Mongolia, I'm salvaging the data here, in case someone might eventually find it useful for something. -- Latebird 02:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
This needs citations!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuletide ( talk • contribs) -- Latebird 08:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Where are the mentions of the Xiongnu, Köktürk, Uyghur, Kyrgyz, Khitan etc.; the history section of this article is really poor!! Yes, Mongolia actually had a history predating the 12th century! 134.100.1.177 13:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Quigley: You just turned this article (which is about a geographical region and cultural sphere, akin to how you would use "Greater Manchuria") into an article about Mongolian Pan-nationalism. But if you don't demonstrate that this is the intended and only meaning of this term (by giving sources just for that claim, not so much for the history of Mongolian Pan-nationalism), this edit is pointless. And you did not demonstrate that within that last edit.
Ganaa: Даяар Монгол as equivalent of "Greater Mongolia" seems problematic to me. Would you confirm the definition given on Mongolian Wikipedia: "Даяар Монгол гэж Монгол угсаатны нийтлэг, Даяар Монгол нутаг гэж тэдний оршин суудаг газар нутгийг илэрхийлнэ. Үүнд Монгол Улс, Өвөр Монголын Өөртөө Засах Орон, Бүгд Найрамдах Буриад Улс, Халимаг зэрэг угсаатан ястны улс гүрэн, нутаг орон багтана." That would be Mongolia and its diaspora. Similarly, this is what the use of "Даяар Монгол" for a Mongolian journal in the US implies. This might even be meant by the fascist organization of the same name that does not strive for a pure Mongolian culture, but for a pure Khalkha culture, thereby tending to exclude Inner Mongolians as bastards (even though they don't have any clue about Mongol culture in a historical perspective).
G Purevdorj ( talk) 12:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I am the one who created Mongolia (region) in April 2003. When speaking of "Mongolia" people in English Wikipedia always equated it with the independent state of Mongolia. But my area of interest was Mongols of the past who mostly lived outside of the modern state, and I needed an article for Mongolia in a broader sense. Mongolia (region) was turned a redirect by Latebird ( talk · contribs) in May 2006 [1]. And accordingly, I used Greater Mongolia in various articles. In November 2011 Quigley ( talk · contribs) turned Mongolia (region) into a redirect to Mongolian Plateau, claiming that it was "better redirect" [2]. In my opinion, this change is not better but actually disastrous because I nearly always talk about history, not natural science. Whichever the article title be, I need an article for Mongolia in a broader sense to discuss history. It looks like Quigley ( talk · contribs) attempts to exterminate that concept and to label it as an irredentist idea. Of cource I oppose this plot. I will turn Mongolia (region) back to a redirect to Greater Mongolia. -- Nanshu ( talk) 12:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Japan indirectly encouraged the rise of the Pan-Mongolist movement. It backed the so-called "Semënov clique" in establishing an alternative Pan-Mongolian government and pushed through to establish a unified Mongolian state, comprising Outer Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Buryat Mongolia. This regime even attempted to send its delegation to the Versailles Conference. However, considering preservation of the autonomous government as a priority over risking its de facto independence by pursuing the near-utopian vision of "Greater Mongolia", the monarchist government of Mongolia refused not only to join this self-proclaimed entity, but to extend recognition to it as well
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'Greater Mongolia' and Pan-Mongolism... Pan-Mongolism played a role in the political movements that led to Mongolia's democratization. In 1990, the Mongolian Democratic Party's platform included a call to "unite" the "three Mongolias" (Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Mongolian Buryatskaya), promoting a vision of a formal political union among these regions and Mongolian Xinjiang with a unified spoken and written language, to create a "Great Mongolia."
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Although there was strong support amongst Inner Mongols, especially at first, for an independent Greater Mongolia, these misgivings undermined Inner Mongol support for the Outer Mongol government and contributed to the emergence of a different nation-of-intent, an Inner Mongolia located within the Republic of China.
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Most indigenous Mongolian leaders and groups desired ultimate union of all Mongols everywhere into a "Greater Mongolia."... [T]he general and ultimate aim of the various indigenous Mongolian leaders and groups was the re-creation of a unified Mongolia on the model of the Empire of Chinggis Khan; these leaders and groups were nearly all Pan-Mongolists, seeing in the formation of "Greater Mongolia" their only chance to stand effectively against their large and powerful neighbors.
How then is the reader to understand the "Mongolian plateau", this "delicate compromise straddling the bombastic 'Greater Mongolia' and the bloodless 'areas traditionally inhabited by Mongols'" (p. xviii)?... How many countries is Mongolia? Mostly it seems to be the independent one, the former Outer Mongolia and Mongolian People's Republic, since 1992 simply called "Mongolia".
1992... leaked Inner Mongolia State Security Bureau document claimed U.S. was planning to create a "Greater Mongolia" uniting Mongolia with Inner Mongolia and Buryat Republic (April).... Chinese publications have made claims that Mongolia wants to take Inner Mongolia away from China to build a "Greater Mongolia".
Today, Mongolian nationalism has been revitalized. Genghis Khan has replaced Lenin and Stalin as the foremost symbol of respect. Yet given Mongolia's current domestic difficulties - and its small population - there is scant prospect of a restoration of a Greater Mongolia, the private sentiments of some Mongols in Russia and China notwithstanding.
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help)These examples are just among the first 30 Google hits, so it isn't that hard to find. If you don't employ a wenhua dagemin-style definition of Pan-Mongolism (which you might actually be applying, given your long-standing nationalist credentials), this would look like evidence for my point. It is amazing, too, how you aim to deny a Mongolian cultual sphere. G Purevdorj ( talk) 07:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
This page has been rated Stub-class. Though the article Pan-Mongolism deals primarily about the philosophy of a united Mongol heritage, it incorporates the basis for the projected or hypothetical state of "Greater Mongolia". However, there is no article on the geographic region of "Greater Mongolia" listed here. This page is essentially the stub of an article on the geographic region, with a directive hatnote to Pan-Mongolism. If an editor is inclined to write a full article on the geographic region, I suggest that information should be expanded here, rather than on a new page. Boneyard90 ( talk) 17:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Historical Mongolia as a possible meaning of "Greater Mongolia" was added by an anonymous editor in early 2014. Now I'm wondering, however, how common it is to use "Greater Mongolia" for an entity that includes historical territories such as Golden Horde and Il-Khanat that have retained neither discernible Mongolian populations nor culture. If this usage is not common at all and no sources get presented or linked to this talk page, I would remove it. Obviously, I am talking about English language usage, not about Central Mongolian "ih mongol" which definitely has this third meaning. G Purevdorj ( talk) 09:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)