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A fact from Bhagavad Gita As It Is trial in Russia appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 December 2011 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
This is a minor point - but I would like to add that
Hare Krishna devotees often reject the term "Hindu" in reference to them - and the founder of their
ISKCON movement,
Srila Prabhupada, openly rejected it in documented quotes. True, their beliefs are of
Gaudiya Vaishnavism which is considered by many to be a branch of
Hinduism, but they do not typically identify personally as "Hindu" - thus I had changed the "Hindu followers" section title. I'd also add that many Hare Krishnas in Russia and elsewhere are NOT Indian, so Indian followers is also inaccurate for that section. I had fixed it earlier, but as it has since been changed back, I thought I'd post here. Thanks. --
Shruti14talk •
sign12:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)reply
This is a very complex identity issue. There are black African Hindus, Caribbean Hindus of mixed ethnicity... These are NOT hard and fast issues, or in other words; they are not black and white... An individual can be a black African Hindu, a South American Hindu... These are all a moot point!!! While
Srila Prabhupada referred to groups - it does not make his presumed assumptions universal. This issue is not one way - or the other!!! Thanks.
Ism schism (
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05:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Please rename article. Don't perpetuate media sensationalism.
This is not the Bhagavad Gita trial. This is the "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" trial. This article fell into the same trap of media sensationalism.
CO2Northeast (
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05:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Even more importantly,
WP:POVTITLE states that: "When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language reliable sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Sometimes that common name will include non-neutral words that Wikipedia normally avoids (e.g. the Boston Massacre or the Teapot Dome scandal). In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper noun (and that proper noun has become the usual term for the event), generally overrides concern that Wikipedia might appear as endorsing one side of an issue". Regard,
Cinosaur (
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03:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I understand all this, but I have to agree that the current title is not neutral. The Bhagavad Gita as it is, is not just like a different translation as the bible, but a very different book when compared to other translations that I read.
Andries (
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11:01, 29 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Appeal in 2012
Note The saga continues. I have added this text to the article, "In January of 2012, the prosecutors began to file an appeal in a superior court,[1] and asked for more time.[2]" I would appreciate any thought/ideas. Thanks.
Ism schism (
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13:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)reply
so much stuff written here but what do real indians think about it??
real indians didnt even write an article about it in hindi, they dont care. I can guarantee you this article is 100% written by an indian living in a western country and is upset that russia isnt so multicultural and alienating itself like the west does. Its only european countries which face mass immigration. This article should consider much more what real indians think and not the immigrants living in western countries.--
Shokioto22 (
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23:25, 6 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Shokioto22, I know for a fact that there've been dozens, if not hundreds, of news, cartoons, comments, and reports on the topic published in Hindi, Marathi, Gujarati, and other Indian languages, and if you know any of them, you're more than welcome to add their content, duly translated into English and referenced, to the article. Regards,
Cinosaur (
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23:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)reply
NPOV
The article does not present the position of prosecution or anyone in favor of the ban. It only quotes reactions by the groups outraged by the trail itself.
Skullers (
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23:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The claim that "Krishna is evil and not conforming to Christian religious view"
[1][2] was apparently fabricated in a letter by ISKON's own
Governing Body Commissioner. And people buy into this kind of provocation. This is largely portrayed as an attempt to ban "the Gita", "sacred Hindu scriptures", etc. The Bhagavad Gita is not on trial. The work in question is the 3rd edition of the Russian translation of Prabhupada's "Bhagavad Gita as it is". Though ISKON might hold his comments as sacred scripture but it's greatly misleading to equate the two.
Skullers (
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10:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Skullers, what makes you think so? This is exactly what the expert assessment stated. I've read a certified translation of the Russian original, which confirms the veracity of the media reports. Are you interested to look at them (English or Russian), to form a more informed opinion on the matter? Regards,
Cinosaur (
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12:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)reply
There's nothing wrong with original sources if they state the original claims. The prosecutor's affidavit made no such claims. If you have authentic materials showing otherwise, then go ahead and provide them, not merely state that you've seen them. How exactly are ISKON body commissioner's letter a more reliable source on the prosecutor's claims than his own words? The commissioner is not a reliable source. This has not been reported by anybody else and is a ridiculous thing to claim.
Skullers (
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21:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Still nothing on that quote. Web searches bring nothing except copies of those two articles and of this very page. One of them only states "A copy of the letter is with IANS." This would be a serious distortion as there is nothing else to
WP:V-erify it.
Skullers (
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04:50, 22 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what verification you're asking for and what you call "serious distortion". The two newspapers cited are
WP:RSs by all considerations, as is
IANS one of them is quoting. Remember that, per
WP:V, Verifiability, and not truth, is one of the fundamental requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia. This means that if there is a statement in a reliable source (which they are), and the reliable source is accessible (which they are), we're justified to cite the statement without holding it to a "truth test". The article follows this principle. I'm removing your verification tag. Regards,
Cinosaur (
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07:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I'm talking about the Commisioner's
exceptional claims with regards to the assessment. He ain't exactly Switzerland if you know what I mean. Surely someone else would have reported on such scandalous statements! Their placement gives
WP:UNDUE weight to this "letter" in IANS' possession. Is the letter publically available? I'm moving him to the appropriate section.
Skullers (
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10:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The "instigated by the
FSB" is scaremongering due to its image in the west, attempting to give this some kind of clandestine character. There's nothing special about the feds' involvement considering this involves a federal issue. "The prosecutor's office even included a note from the local Federal Security Service office, listing the address of the Tomsk bookstore where the book could be purchased."
[3] And? He referenced information relevant to the trial. This means the Chirch conspired with the FSB in order to suppress religious minorities?
Skullers (
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21:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The sources cited
[4][5] in no way support the statement as it was written. The only instance of "the FSB" mentions a note included by the prosecutor. ISKCON's prior disputes with the local church are known, however, and should be covered in the text. The sentence as written constitutes
WP:ORIGINALSYNthesis and
WP:POVPUSHing.
Skullers (
talk)
02:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks for pointing out the insufficiency of the sources quoted. Added another one, analyzing the FSB and Church involvement in depth. Regards,
Cinosaur (
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04:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Per the
Indo-Asian News Service please see
Russian Hare Krishna Movement to be Rathyatra theme "The decision to glorify 'Hare Krishna Movement' in Russia comes months after Hindus in Russia won a major legal battle after a court in Siberia dismissed a state prosecutor's case seeking a ban on a Russian translation of the Bhagavad Gita."
Per the
New York Daily News please see
Mamata inaugurates Ratha Yatra "West Bengal Chief Minister
Mamata Banerjee tugged the rope of the chariots of Lord Jagannath, Balaram and Subhadra to throw open the annual
Rath Yatra (chariot festival) here Thursday. Organised by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), the procession with the deities atop three chariots began from Park Circus Maidan of south
Kolkata to reach the Brigade Parade Ground in the central part of the city. The theme for this year's Rath Yatra which marks the annual journey of the three deities, from their abode to their aunt's house, is the Hare Krishna Movement in Russia."
Per the
Times of India please see
CM Mamta Banerjee to inaugurate Iskcon Rath Yatra on June 21 "International society for Krishna Consciousness (Iskcon) will organise the 41st Kolkata Rath Yatra on June 21; the theme for the festival being Rath Yatra 2012 is "Hare Krishna's in Russia". "We decided on this theme to highlight the wonderful Russian Vaishnava's and their glorious struggle for Krishna Bhakti, we decided to broadcast their glories through this year's Kolkata Rath Yatra. We ask everyone to join Russian devotees in glorifying Lord Jagannath," said general manager Iskcon Radharaman Das."
And per the
Times of India please see
Rath Yatra gets a Russian flavour in Kolkata. "The Rath Yatra of Lord Jagannath was celebrated with gaiety and fervour on Thursday in the city. International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Iskcon) organised its 41st Kolkata Rath Yatra with the theme of 'Hare Krishna movement in Russia.'" - I will look into adding info about this, if now one else does. I think a few sentences should suffice. Thanks.
Ism schism (
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22:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
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I renamed the article, Reason: the previous title is sensationalist POV pushing. The Bhagavad Gita itself was neither tried nor banned. There are numerous bhavadgita texts in russian you can easily buy. On trial was a particular translation, in which not the text, but translators' commentaries were found inciting.
Staszek Lem (
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19:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Not to say that everybody knows that in fact the case is about iskcon, not gita, which is indirectly reflected in the correct title.
Staszek Lem (
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20:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)reply