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While looking into the 187th ARCT I found an article that would improve this page. JamesESJ 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I was asked to point out what appeared to be copied in the article, so that it might be edited.
For one example of blatant plagiarism in the current wikipedia article, consider the following passage: "The first air drop brought 6 X 105 mm howitzers and 1125 rounds of ammunition which was reinforced next day by a further 12 X 105 mm howitzers and 4 X 90 mm anti-aircraft guns. Nearly 600 tons of ammunition and other supplies were delivered during the operation."
This is word for word the same as what DAVID BUTLER, in KOREA REMEMBERED Chapter 2: BATTLE OF THE APPLE ORCHARD, wrote: "...the first air drop brought 6 X 105 mm howitzers and 1125 rounds of ammunition which was reinforced next day by a further 12 X 105 mm howitzers and 4 X 90 mm anti-aircraft guns. Nearly 600 tons of ammunition and other supplies were delivered during the operation."
Since the David Butler text is copyrighted, this is copyright violation as well as being plagiarism.
That's just one example. I don't believe that just changing the wording of this one passage in the article would improve the situation very much. The entire article as written is about the same length and written in the same tone as the Butler account. To avoid plagiarism and to be encyclopedic, the article should be a much shorter, condensed account including only newly worded statements based on 2 or more sources, using inline citations, and/or having same-size passages that are specific quotes from one source. But the Butler account is copyrighted, so long quotes from it are not appropriate. Thus, it would be better to have only a short version of the article and refer the reader to the Butler account for more detail. The short version could be the short version already written in the article Military history of Australia during the Korean War. Perhaps best, this article ought to be deleted in its entirety. doncram ( talk) 16:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
How long before this is put up for deletion. I would like to do a rewrite, but have a couple of other projects. It would be a shame to lose the good stuff that is in it, like infobox etc... Robert Fleming ( talk) 08:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
This article currently refers to the Battle of Pakchon (5 Nov 1950) as the battle know to Australian historians as the Battle of the Apple Orchard - this is incorrect. The earlier battle at Yongju (22 Oct 1950) is in fact known by this name. The Butler reference makes this perfectly clear as does the AWM website and other references (see for instance Chris Coulthard-Clark 'Where Australians Fought' page 258). As such I have removed this. Anotherclown ( talk) 02:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The info box gives the 27th Bde's strength as ~300. Really? For a 3 battalion brigade? Similarly, ~1,500 for the Chinese 117th Division seems too small. Hamish59 ( talk) 11:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)