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Only coming here from ITN, I would suggest that because Karlov did not seem to have any notability prior to the assassination, that the contents here be moved to the assassination article per BLP1E. --
MASEM (
t)
17:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
He had a long career as a diplomat and government official, and was ambassador to North Korea for five years. I don't see why you would say he had no notability prior to being assassinated.
—МандичкаYO 😜
17:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
He might have had a long career but all sources seem to have come from today only. That's a fundamental aspect of
WP:BLP1E. If there were significant secondary sources before this point, then that might be a different question, but this should have been merged. --
MASEM (
t)
00:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)reply
I assume you're only looking at English sources. Through his previous roles, he would have had decent coverage in the Russian press over the years. They're difficult to find at the moment since everything is about his assassination, but as ambassador to countries with significant relations with Russia, I'm confident they exist.
—МандичкаYO 😜
02:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)reply
I removed "allegedly a member of the Osmanli Ocaklar" from the shooter bio because the refs dont cite this, and also i cannot find what this is. we would need an explanation for the phrase, in english, please.(mercurywoodrose)
50.193.19.66 (
talk)
18:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
There should be a separate article, linking in from the main article about Andrei Karlov, about Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş (if that is the real name). Currently there is no link at wikipedia. I understand that information presently may be scarce, but perhaps in the coming days someone could create a separate article collecting information regarding the assumed attacker.
2A02:8388:1601:800:BE5F:F4FF:FECD:7CB2 (
talk)
19:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Is it possible to add a paragraph about his years as ambassador to NK please? I guess most sources would be in Russian, so I can't help.
Zigzig20s (
talk)
20:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Many news outlets are reporting his name as Andrey Karlov, including Al Jazeera, The Independent, The Telegraph, Daily Mail etc. and also the official embassy website. However, others like BBC and Reuters are saying Andrei. Which ones correct or is it a case of Sergei vs Sergey?
NewCarloso (
talk)
20:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
The assassination article should be merged into this article. There's no need, given the brevity of both articles and the overlap of detail, to have two separate articles.
The Rambling Man (
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22:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Ok, I'll go with the consensus, obviously, but it's a joke. We have two just-above-stub articles. Karlov's main article can easily cover his assassination right now. Everything else is CRYSTAL.
The Rambling Man (
talk)
23:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
We're done now, this is as much as it gets. There's about a 50% repeat from the bio to the assassination article. There's no good reason at all for two C-class articles about precisely the same subject to co-exist. Merge time.
The Rambling Man (
talk)
22:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)reply
At this point, I disagree, actually. I think we can easily have both articles. This one should have more about his role in North Korea for example.
Zigzig20s (
talk)
22:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)reply
He's notable for his entire career, his role in North Korea for example, etc. Wikipedia is a work in progress; the article is fine as it is and will no doubt be expanded in future. Enough!
Zigzig20s (
talk)
00:40, 22 December 2016 (UTC)reply
i removed the links to the other 2 murdered diplomats. one could just as easily place other recent assassinations, or deaths in turkey. the other 2 were from long ago, completely different circumstances, and there is nothing particularly notable about a large nation having lost diplomats. i replaced it with "russia soviet relations" which probably should be in the body of the article, and which is directdly connected with this event. i also removed:
"Andrei Karlov is the fourth Russian ambassador who died in the line of duty."