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As found on local channels on telegram, official ISIL media made a statement in relation to the attacks. Do you believe that is enough to confirm that they were behind the attacks?
TheLibyanGuy (
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19:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The Russian wing of the al-ʿAzāʾim Foundation for Media Production has tacitly claimed responsibility for the attacks in Derbent and Makhachkala areas, in Dagestan region of Russia. Nothing from Amaq as of yet.
Jebotiacimmater (
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22:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Nah, its in IS-Caucasus Province´s area of operation and all the attackers are local (not Central Asian) so it was most likely them, but it could have had assistance from IS-KP. Also apparently at least one of the attackers had connections in Turkey, which could mean IS-Turkey Province is also involved (similarly to the Crocus attack).
Alexander141104 (
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00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
There are reports of another security situation in Makhachkala right now, heavy police presence, shots fired, and apparently 2 gunmen. This could be related to Sunday´s attacks and could be the reason why nobody has claimed the attacks yet
Alexander141104 (
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20:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
last nights issue of IS´s weekly newsletter Al-Naba just mentioned the Dagestan attackers (23/6/2024), Israeli embassy in Belgrade attacker (29/6/2024), and Zurich stabbing attacker (2/3/2024), as IS supporters in an article detecated to them, along with the attackers behind the IS-claimed attacks in Moscow (22/3/2024) and Brussels (16/10/2023)
Alexander141104 (
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12:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Read what I said. I think I have the
photo coming from official ISIL media outlets. The photo likely refers to the attacks (“Set fire to the towns of the crusaders and the Jews and make them one of the fiery towns”).
TheLibyanGuy (
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22:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sadly one of my most valuable media sites got seized/taken down/broken so I cannot confirm anything, however, it seems to be a typical call for jihad. Similar posters are made by IS supporters(Ansar) and get forwarded on larger media channels like al-Raud(archive) and Halummu(translation).
Jebotiacimmater (
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22:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This is from Al-Azim, which is connected to IS, but isnt one of its official media units (Al-Furqan, Al-Hayat, AMAQ, Nashir, etc.), and im pretty sure this was posted yesterday and is the statement which the Russian al-Azim media wing is referring to when they say the Dagestan attackers answered the groups call. We´ll have to wait until at least tomorrow, to see if they claim it through Nashir and AMAQ, or maybe even (but very unlikely) until Thursday if they decide to claim the attacks as "exclusives" in their Al-Naba newsletter
Alexander141104 (
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01:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
al-Azaim isn’t part of Islamic State’s central media diwan that is producing things like Al-Naba. al-Azaim, however, is ‘controlled by the mujahideen in Khurasan’, that being ISKP. Thanks Aymen.
Jebotiacimmater (
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16:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
This comes up in every attack like this. We stick to what is verified, what we can prove, and what reliable sources say. This means we hold off and don't post speculation. Investigators will come out with their conclusions at some point.
Harizotoh9 (
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06:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
On the second sentence of the Lead,it says "A synagogue and two Eastern Orthodox churches in Derbent were attacked, and a synagogue and road police post were attacked in Makhachkala simultaneously."
Hello, an article
Magomed Omarov (politician russian) should be created about this Russian official and his possible involvement and that of his son and two nephews. This has reached a revealing level in all Russian politics at a national and international level. He was also expelled from the United Russia political group, otherwise Had it been for this man, perhaps the Kremlin would have used this to attack Ukraine and Ukrainian Intelligence as it usually does.--
User.shanie6 (
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15:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
We don't have crystal balls, and we don't know if the sources warrant it. It's entirely possible we can summarize this entirely within this article. We should wait.
Harizotoh9 (
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05:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 23 June 2024
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2024 Dagestan attack →
2024 Dagestan clashes – The attacks in Dagestan later turned into clashes with the police and attackers. But there is another issue: multiple other attacks have occurred amidst the initial attack in Dagestan, which are likely connected to the attacks in Dagestan, and as a result, I’m not sure if those attacks can be mentioned.
TheLibyanGuy (
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23:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Propose "2024 Dagestan attacks". "Attack" doesn't preclude clashes, and I'd argue "clashes" is not the
WP:COMMONNAME term. It also reads weaker, like a protest/civil conflict instead of gun battles.
211.43.120.242 (
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00:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
That’s also what I could have had in mind. But because there was persistent fighting after the initial attacks, I wondered if they should be considered clashes.
TheLibyanGuy (
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00:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Flip through
Category:Terrorist incidents in 2024. Plenty of these are described as "attacks", but also included extended clashes. Furthermore, "attack" appears to be the COMMONNAME; COMMONNAME is arguably more important than any of our reasoning. Cautioning against applying our own reasoning to this title; amounts to
WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. We should follow what the sources are saying.
211.43.120.242 (
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00:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Agreed, the Paris attacks (specifically at Bataclan) turned into clashes, and that goes for most other IS (as well as Al-Shabaab) Commando ("inghimasi") attacks across the globe.
Alexander141104 (
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01:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The main subject of these attacks in media reports has been the attacks on the synagogue and the churches. The clashes with the police officers all began with coordinated attacks on them by the IS militants as well. Renaming attacks into clashes makes it seem like a battle instead of a campaign of attacks that resulted in some firefights between Russian security services and IS-Kavkaz guys, and attacks also encompasses the synagogue burning and church attacks.
Jebiguess (
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00:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not really how move discussions work. It's not dependent on the opener of the discussion conceding a point; we have to wait at least the normal amount of time. For all we know, someone with an even better title can come along and everyone can shift to supporting that one.
211.43.120.242 (
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00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose—all sources clearly indicate it was "attack", possibly premeditated/planned/coordinated; possibly with or without other cities/places; possibly a terrorist attack (even though Wikipedia practice is to avoid that word in a name for various good reasons. It is not mere "clashes", even though some street-level clashes may come, or may soon come. —
N2e (
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02:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose The current title is more consistent with the sources. Changing it to incorporate the word "Clashes" will muddle things and confuse readers and most people can't find it during search.
Wår (
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05:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose We hBe historically called islamist terrorist attacks targeting civilians and first responders attacks and not 'clashes' or 'jihads' or 'freedom fighting incidents'
Kasperquickly (
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06:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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The priest's throat was not slit. Confirmed by his widow
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