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Of course, we don't really know what the people who carried out these attacks intended. It's difficult to imagine that they believed they could seize power considering the Australian presence. Is it appropriate to just assume the government's categorization of the attacks is accurate? Everyking ( talk) 18:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why would Major Renaido send a number of his troups to both the presidential and prime ministerial residences at 4am in the morning for any peaceful purpose??? The scuttlebutt on this story is perpetrated by some very unknowledgable, prejudicial sources. Remember, Renaido and Co did not have to seize power, but if they was successful in removing those in power (Ramos-Horta, Gusmao) they resultant power vacuum would have opened up many possiblities for him to capitalise on.
The situation for Renaido in the recent months has become increasingly unteniable. His rhetoric has also become significantly more radical, with his threat to invade the australian mainland and his declaration of australian troops as invaders.
I have a family member who has only recently returned from ET and the situation is far different (not better, nor worse, just different) than what is reported in the media. ITF troops are regularly fired upon with metal darts, homemade firearms and occasionally military arms and grenades, not to mention the numbers of knife/machette and Star picket sword attacks. Timor is not a stable place and this incident if successful would have completely turned the situation on its head. Brodfloyd ( talk) 00:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Have major problems with the following line - "there is a concern that the rebel's presence was not indicative of an intent to harm." From everything I've seen reported or heard from people on the scene there is nothing to substantiate this at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.47.159 ( talk) 01:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
It is quite possible it was an kidnap/hostage-taking attempt, not an assassination attempt. Ramos-Horta was only shot after Alfredo Reinado had been killed, and it has been reported by the BBC that the shots fired at Xanana Gusmao's seemed to only target the wheels, which is only consistent with a kidnap attempt, not an assassination. I think it's best not to prejudge the intent of the rebels before even initial enquiries are completed. 203.2.182.254 ( talk) 02:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Of course the rebels did not shoot Ramos Horta before Alfredo Reinado was killed as he was not at his residence when they arrived, whatever their intentions Adam ( talk) 09:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
One posibility, at least with Horta, it that it was a botched kidnapping attempt. Plenty of quotes about assassination and/or coup but nothing about that. All speculation until more info comes in. let's not pre-emp the situation. Maias ( talk) 02:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
as has been said, lets not pre empt the situation, and i think with the removal of the passage about the rebels intentions the article reflects the situation as it is known at the moment. Coup is still the right term as it was an attempt to overthrow the government, however by unusual and unorthordox means. ET does not function like a regular country, and a successful removal of its leaders would be paralell to a complete change of the governing system. Brodfloyd ( talk) 02:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
the more i think about it, you are right. While I believe it was an attempt at a coup, but as you said, this isnt a fact that can be supported by evidence. My reasons for this is that unlike a stable democracy, the successful removal of the executive branch would cause ET's government to crumble, unlike Australia/usa for example where a new executive would be sworn in almost immediately. however thats just me hypothesising over the internet and hardly a reliable source. So, scrub that, Assasination attempt at this stage yes. Brodfloyd ( talk) 04:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
You believe it was a coup attempt? Are youserious? You actually believe Reinado thought he could defeat the Australian soldiers in Timor troops in ET and take over power? He would have to be too dumb, don't you think so? And specially dumb since he is a military, a man who is supposed to evaluate what can he do with a small number of soldier ill-armed and facing the most powerful army in the region. «Coup d'État» is just Xanana's dramatization of this attack. It was purely an attempt to murder him and Ramos Horta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.46.199 ( talk) 23:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
What about something like "violence" instead of "assassination attempts"? Everyking ( talk) 23:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm adding a timeline of assassination attempts (sourced, of course)! The Ogre ( talk) 16:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The majority of blood in the vehicle that was shot at was in the passenger seat, I was under the impression the PResident was in the car when fired upon Adam ( talk) 10:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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