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Edge magazine - talks about the producers (although there is only one). Taking that here is
WP:COATRACKy and potentially liable. That should be removed, although it would be appropriate in some form for Kitase.
Korean one - removing the unsourced biased claim makes the rest of the statement more positive.
for final fantasy VIII: Experience level could be explained slightly more simpler. and the second image in the gameplay section might be better in development.
Per
WP:VG/GL and consensus at
WP:VG one gameplay image meets the criteria of fair use rationale assuming its not entirely made of text and actually shows gameplay, so the 1 screenshot/article should not be removed without getting larger consensus over at
WP:VG or it might cause some edit wars.
陣内Jinnai01:01, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't have an example right now but generally speaking I've noticed that "cast of characters" images are sometimes unnecessary and redundant in the case when most the characters are already shown on the cover art image.
Megata Sanshiro (
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08:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Unless, the game isn't story-dependent (RPG), than images of characters on the main page is highly unnecessary. Though, i do agree if there is an individual character article, then an image of the same character is inappropriate. It usually depends though....seeing as Final Fantasy XIII article has a character of the cast. it doesn't seem that big of a deal, especially for RPG.
Anyways, the image of map navigation in
Final Fantasy VIII seems irrelevant as it wasn't the first final fantasy game to do so (I'm positive it was final fantasy VII as it was the first 3d final fantasy) nor does the section give any mention of it's relevance. Image in development and release in
Final Fantasy IX can be removed, but mostly the captions in the other images in that article should be reworked to sound less "attached" to the subject. The game quotes should also be reffed in better.
Bread Ninja (
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20:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Those casts, if there is a character article, get removed from anime & manga articles because "they aren't necessary" since there is a spinout article. I believe it would be seen as unessasary at an FAC too since there would be a spinout article dealing with it.
I was talking about the 3d, pre-rendered backgrounds....but yes, the first also had pre-rendered backgrounds. But it depends though....if there is significant plot and constant mention of the characters, then it could be left, or added. the size of the image is also significant. Usually anime and manga cast images are really big so it's preferred to keep them in there own article. Unless the main article does a really good job describing the cast....image would be much more beneficial as they will be constantly mentioned. But right now that isn't the problem, so we should only focus on what was initially brought up.
Bread Ninja (
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20:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Even in anime its not all that common as you think. There are a number of series that do not do that.
陣内Jinnai20:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
hmm....my point still stands....regardless, images of characters (if it's the primary ones only) might be ok to keep in main article. The entire cast including the main cast should be in their respected character lists.
Bread Ninja (
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22:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
That doesn't mean we can't keep the images...There been plenty of images of potions/elixirs out there which might i add are still around. Primary cast is essential to my belief. Its one of the key things people look for. And for JRPGs such as final fantas,y the characters are always being reviewed.
Bread Ninja (
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00:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
IDk, the project being, a proposed plan that everyone agrees, but its all subjective. just like the anime and manga project prefers not to split no matter what. Even though an article of a certain size could be split. The character image being used less, doesn't really mean much. its just one image down. But i can see another way to use less free rational images.
Bread Ninja (
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05:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I know that....but missing the point. Idk, but to me, i treat free images just like non-free images. If its necessary it can be kept, if not, then why keep them?
Bread Ninja (
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12:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Free use images need less strong rationales to be included because their inclusion does not violate the project's mission, whereas non-free images are only allowed when there's a compelling reason to include, because too many fair use images can harm Wikipedia. -
New Age Retro Hippie(talk)(contributions)20:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
On the contrary, a spam of images that aren't needed could very well affect the article despite being free-content. And even if its not overly used, a highly unnecessary image would affect the article.
Bread Ninja (
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08:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
we really shouldn't be doing this monthly. we don't need to chop down the list just because some haven't came in a few months. it's better to do this yearly or every 6 months. this isn't necessary at all and just time consuming.
Bread Ninja (
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20:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, i do agree it doesn't need to be monthy, however, I'd also say it should only really be nessasary to respond if you haven't posted on the page for a while (and even then missing 1 roll-call shouldn't automatically remove you). It's clear given the page's current activity some of the members who are active.
陣内Jinnai20:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Went ahead and created a draft of a Black Mage article in my
userspace. It's certainly not perfect, but it might be enough to pass notability guidelines and the like. I recall seeing a comic where the Black Mage killed Mario when playing
basketball (I think it was in VG Cats), so that might be worth adding into the Polular culture section, although it might not be notable enough. At any rate, I've got about 5 sources for reception.
Harry Blue5 (
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17:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Mmmm, not seeing it. You've basically taken the Black Mage section from
Final Fantasy character jobs, split it into smaller chunks, and added one paragraph. Most of that paragraph (Cultural Impact) is reviewers commenting on the use of the Black Mage in specific games- that's not really "Impact" or commentary on the Black Mage as a whole. The GameRadar "classic" quote is good, and the SoulCalibur IV thing is good, but I don't think you have enough real-world impact there to justify spinning it out into its own article. Which is not to say that such impact does not exist! Minor appearances in webcomics isn't going to do it, but there's certainly a good chance that there are good sources out there. I just don't think you're there yet, sorry. --PresN19:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I know I'm not there yet, otherwise I would've outright made the article. I agree that the appearances section needs rewriting, but I haven't got round to it yet. I just wanted to ask if anyone thought it was a feasible idea.
Harry Blue5 (
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19:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Popular pages
Hi! I would like to seek consensus from the project for requesting a WPSE "Popular pages" page, similar to
this. I think it would be useful to see which articles need the most attention (either because they're popular OR because no one reads them). The request can be made at
[2] but requires discussion with the project first. Thanks.
Megata Sanshiro (
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12:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I suppose if the service is free, why not? It could be interesting discussion material. Or maybe we could even revive "Collaboration of the Fortnight" based on which article is most popular for the month. Any thoughts?
Axem Titanium (
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22:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Well it may also be beatifical to push up the quality of some of the less used one since it might make them more viable.
陣内Jinnai22:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, sorry for not being specific enough. I meant characters that have split articles. The only place the characters are placed in a template is the series template when they are at the correct page. Because of how the template is set up, the characters all appear, but never at the same time. Blake(
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I wish it was less ugly and used less whitespace, but yes. Would
this work at all? Could they be split like "Main characters" and "Minor characters", or are very few of them minor enough? I know little of the series. Blake(
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I'm not sure how we'd fit the sidebox template into individual character articles. I think a navbox would fit more naturally into the article (it also seems to be the standard on Wiki, but that doesn't matter too much).
Harry Blue5 (
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21:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I dunno. We have a lot of navboxes already and I wouldn't want to clutter the bottom of each article too much further. Think of it this way. If you were at a character's article, you'd already have other characters within the same game available due to the main FF template, and those are the most likely search targets. You're probably not going to be looking for a character from a whole different game. On the other hand, if you're at a game's character page, the side box will be available to you to quickly navigate to other character pages, which is much more likely, if you're already at a character page.
Axem Titanium (
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04:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I think these particular ones, nominees and reassessments, should be placed more prominently on the page, specially possibly on the right above news. These announcements of what is up for review are time-sentantive material and anyone coming to this page should have an idea what's going on currently that may need attention. Where its at, they are unlikely to be seen except by those who know where to look.
陣内Jinnai01:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
FLC needs a nominator
Hey all- back in December
User:LegaiaRules created
List of Front Mission media, and did a pretty fine job of it. A few months later I went through and cleaned it up in the style of
List of Final Fantasy video games, which I got to FL in the Fall. I asked Legaia if he wanted to nominate it for FLC, as it's ready to go, but he hasn't gotten back to me in a week; he basically only edits WP to add details to Front Mission pages and as such is only sporadically active. Since he hasn't gotten back to me, I think it's fair for someone else to nominate the list, but I can't do it- I have an outstanding FLC and another one in the pipeline right behind it. So... anyone feel like nominating? I'm willing to basically do all of the work addressing concerns, I just need someone else to actually propose it. --PresN01:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
So basically, you want somebody else to take the credit for your work because you already have enough FL on your belt? Thats a weird request. Blake(
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No- you're not allowed to have more than one FLC open at a time. I don't want to wait another month/month-and-a-half to nominate this, so I'd rather someone else fill in the template. I don't care about the "credit", anyways; I'll list it on my user page, and that's the only place where I care. What else is there,
WP:WBFLN? The top guy there has 86 nominations- I have 15. Slightly shifting on that list doesn't matter to me at all. --PresN02:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I redirected it to FF7; it was a long page of OR that could never be sourced- there were a few sources for what the Norse mythology actually was, but nothing to show that FF7 was intentionally derived from it in any way. It was also wwwwaaaayyyy too detailed; it could all be summarized in a couple of sentences in
Gaia (Final Fantasy VII) if anyone really wanted. --PresN18:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
FF12. There was a referenced line that the game was still in development by another company (that someone removed as the source needed a free signup), but it didn't give any details or a source. I'll merge it to FF12 tonight. --PresN02:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I disagree. The game has not been cancelled (the original developer simply bit the dust) and there is enough information in existence to make it a Good or Featured article even in the project's current state: 1/ there is information on the project out there that currently isn't in the article (and I'm not talking about Postwar's and my edits; there is more information out there), 2/ "too short" is not a criterion for Good and Featured articles, as PresN should know.
Jonathan Hardin' (
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07:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Square Enix to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by
http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Square Enix/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the
toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man00:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, saw that; good luck, finding information on any of the mystery dungeon games is really hard. Incidentally, for those keeping track at home, back when we decided to get all stubs to start we were at 79.5% start+; we're now at 88.4%, and almost all of the games are done. --PresN22:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
More stats for people who don't want to comb through the above-linked stats page:
If the trend continues the next few times for FF taking most of the list, maybe we should have a "most popular non-Final Fantasy" page.
陣内Jinnai02:22, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Heck, why not. It doesn't take very long. Stats for WP:SE excluding WP:FF:
It basically is the same list with Kingdom Hearts stuff replacing FF stuff. TL;DR - please find sources for Mystery Dungeon! --PresN06:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I suggest making a table for the games in similar fashion as Chocobo series has. I'll see what i can find, but usually not the best at looking for this. But i will at least try.
Bread Ninja (
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09:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
What I always suspected has now been confirmed -- Vagrant Story is not set in the world of Ivalice and the so-called "references" to FFT in VS and to VS in FF12 were just Easter eggs and not actually story-significant. I also suspected that Square Enix (not Matsuno) was the one who retconned VS into Ivalice during the development of FF12 in an attempt at hyping the latter game.
This new information needs to be spread around in the fandom and documented on the relevant Wikipedia articles, while of course not removing the information about how Square Enix (not Matsuno) does consider VS part of Ivalice.
Jonathan Hardin' (
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00:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Nope, twitter is a medium; if that's Matsuno's account, then it's the same as if he said it in an interview or blog post. That said- it confirms that Matsuno did not consider VS to be in the same world as FF12/FFT, but he also says that SE corporate/marketing "may" disagree/"do" disagree- we can only use the statement as a source that the designer did not intend them to be the same, not that SE doesn't consider them the same world. As a practical matter, do we remove VS from the "Video game set in Ivalice" box? Or are the designer's wishes trumped by the publisher's? --PresN02:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Well there's not much information relating Vagrant story to Ivalice as i don't see Lea Mond or Valendia in the map. However, the most i see is that it has Ivalice mythology.
Bread Ninja (
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06:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, in the VS Wikipedia article (that I still watch like a hawk) we have the "Connection to FFXII" section". Shall I get rid of that now that the Director himself stated otherwise on his twitter, or just keep it because SE is saying something else. —
Blue。04:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd say tidy up that paragraph a little, add the new information and then move it down to legacy, since it does seem to apply there.--
Kung Fu Man (
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04:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Did that. Not sure if its appropriate enough to cite his twitter, but I guess this would work. Up to you all. —
Blue。15:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
FF12 Good Topic
Hey, as Fortress has now been officially noted as cancelled (as of E3) the FF12 topic has started its three month retention period; if the article isn't GA'd or deleted in that time the topic will be up for removal. Even apart from that, if it's never going to be released it's now a permanent 1-section article- I don't know if it meets notability to stay a stand-alone article. I'm thinking of merging it to GRIN, as most of the interesting information relates to that studio's demise; a bit can be moved to FF12. Any objections? --PresN04:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. I do wonder though; the mention of Fortress is always made by GRIN. I don't remember Square Enix ever giving statements related to this game, except for tthat one executive who says he had never been involved in Fortress (did I quote that right?). —
Blue。09:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, till now- some American SE guy said he had nothing to do with "the rumored project Fortress", but at E3 Toriyama said that it was cancelled; I think that may have been the first time an SE person acknowledged it was ever real. --PresN20:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and related to the above, Matusuno obliquely acknowledged Fortress in his twitter by saying that he had nothing to do with it's story as he had left SE by that point, and that he would have written bits of its backstory differently. --PresN21:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of topics, the Chrono Titles topic needs to have Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes GA'd and added by August 8. It's a Start right now, but it's honestly mostly just missing a plot section; the rest is pretty easily clean-upable. Has anyone here played it? Jonathan? I can ask Zeality for a plot summary, but he's pretty sporadic around WP these past few years. --PresN18:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, right now it's just a few sentences of setting. Other than "faced a new threat emerging from the kingdom of Zeal" there's no actual plot. --PresN20:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
So Zeality added a Plot and Character section to Crimson Echoes. I don't know if he was supposed to do that but at least there's more plot in the article. So should we do anything else before taking it to GAN?
GamerPro6417:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Lead's short, gameplay has an unsourced bit and should have at least a small summary of the original gameplay. The characters/plot sections should be explicitly sourced to ref 2. The concept art image thumbnail is a tad large. That's all I saw at a quick glance. --PresN19:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I am planning to renominate the Final Fantasy XIII article for FA status and Characters of Final Fantasy XIII article for GA status. As for the Ultimania translations, I have tried to help translate, especially for the system designs. Before we nominate these articles for FA, what should we do to improve these articles? Thanks,
DarthSjones23 (
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20:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
In general, I don't like including E3/other gaming conference hype UNLESS it was notably different from its release reception. For example, everyone and their mother loved Uncharted 2 at E3 and no surprise, it won a ton of year-end awards. Not interesting beyond a sentence mention or two. On the other hand, look at Scribblenauts' stealing of the E3 show compared to its lukewarm actual release. That's my take.
Axem Titanium (
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14:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd ask that you hold off a week- we haven't really added the Ultimania stuff at all. There's a few new sentences that say what's in the Ultimanias (needs to be sourced to the books!) but nothing from the actual interviews has been added. I'll buckle down on ocr-ing the interviews this week, then once they're added we can go. Remember, not using the Ultimanias as sources was literally the only reason it failed FAC last time. --PresN18:08, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Reminder- if anyone would like to help, see
Talk:Final Fantasy XIII/Ultimania translations - there are the original scans, ocr'd text, and summaries. Anything helps- better scans, ocr'ing things (I like Abbyy finereader), good translations, whatever. Anything you can do would be very appreciated! --PresN19:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
We still need the battle, sound, and program interviews done from the Battle Ultimania, and possibly the art from the Scenario Ultimania, though I expect it to repeat things already said. All of the ones currently shown in the subpage are integrated into the article. I think we're fine without the VA interviews from the Omega and the character and cutscene from the Scenario Ult, though those would be great for the character article. I translated/integrated a bunch of stuff last week, but my FAC/GANs exploded this week so I haven't had time for translation. Whenever these are done, the article is good to go. --PresN05:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I'm officially sick of comparing Japanese characters to each other! I'm feeling good about the article now; the development section is large enough to be used as a club. I'll co-nom FF13 for FA again with you, SJones; you want to kick it off or should I? --PresN19:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey. Just a heads up. I edited the Square Enix article becuase it had a lot of speculation in the Development Teams section.
[3]Nomchan (
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10:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
A recently announced game
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy has gotten my attention. I thought maybe we can fix it up a lil more presentable. its definitely on the right track though....but not completely. just something small to fix up.
Bread Ninja (
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09:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Odd question, but- why does this article exist? It's a combination of how localization works at any company, and specific examples that should be in the video game articles themselves (and are, as far as I see). This is the only article of its type on WP, and I'm unsure of why that is. Does anyone else have any opinions about it? --PresN04:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, while it's unorthodox, I think it's a valuable article to have, at least to refer to. In fact, Richard Honeywood is notable for having created the first "localization department" in the video game industry, which has to count for something (whereas before, it would just be one programmer hand-coding the translations). There's a rather extensive interview at
8-4 Play which corroborates this. Depending on how much it can (or can't) be expanded, we might look into trimming the info on vg localization in general and merge to the main SE article.
Axem Titanium (
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04:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
agreed. It seems to have sources, possibly if there's enough info, there could be more of a history section relating to changes within the branches.
Bread Ninja (
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05:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
According to the source (3) the revenue is not 633 Million Yen. 633 Million Yen are the Total extraordinary gain, something completely different. Net Sales are 125,271 Million Yen!
193.22.29.88 (
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13:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
there was a site that focused on video game music, but i think it was focusing more on music games. I think it'll be hard to find for the ones that didn't release in english.
Bread Ninja (
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00:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
RPGFan has tons of reviews for RPGs, they'll have stuff on DQ -
[4]. Original Sound Version might have reviews, though certainly not systematic ones like SEMO and RPGFan- they're more of a news and interviews site that does reviews sometimes.
[5] Good luck, every time I think about working on DQ music articles I look at how there's about 40 albums and give up. A single overview article a la Music of FF might be feasible, though. --PresN06:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and it's not an RS, but you can use the VGMDB
[6] to get track names in english/japanese easily and see if there's any albums you miss- the major VGMusic sites both use and pull from VGMDB, so it's pretty accurate, and it can quickly tell you if an album is bootleg or a promo disc or what. --PresN06:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Pageview stats for August
Quick summary of our
stats for the past month - please work on those popular stubs/starts! Some changes this month. I'm working on List of Square games, if anyone wants to jump on that- the most popular list-class. Please help out Takahashi- the external link lists several interviews with him that could be used. --PresN03:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Format: Most popular (most popular non-FF if applicable) - Least popular
Hey, does anyone know of any good sources about Tose at all? In
List of Square video games I'm looking for cites that they ported FF1 and 2 to the WonderswanColor and the PlayStation, and FF4 to the PlayStation. Thanks! --PresN08:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
The 1up article says "[SE gave] Tose the task of porting its Final Fantasy games to the PS1 and GBA (including the recent Final Fantasy IV and upcoming Final Fantasy VI)", which presumably refers to all of the FFs for PS1, including Origins. Doesn't say anything about Wonderswan though.
Axem Titanium (
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08:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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