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I am wondering whether the Mark J. Williams article is ready to be removed from the 'Major improvements needed' section on the main page. I have done a lot of work on the article and just want to know the general concensus is. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 19:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I just discovered that there are a lot of links to Mick Price from various snooker articles, but there is no article on the snooker player. Same thing goes for Jason Ferguson. Just to let you know, cheers. Reinhardheydt ( talk) 13:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
With the WC around the corner are there any suggestions for ways we can further improve the article on this years event? Thing are much better than they were a few years ago, but I was pondering whether there were ways that we can capitalise on the increased interest and editing time that the WC brings to push the article beyond a knock-out chart. What exactly those improvements could be is open to suggestions, but the articles always feel a bit too statistical and not enough encyclo for me. SFC9394 ( talk) 23:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
What do we think of the idea of merging WP:SNOOKER into WP:CUE as task force? I don't think this would affect day-to-day operations in any way at all (e.g. the snooker project tags wouldn't be deleted or anything, just modified to point to the right place), would make WP:COUNCIL happy (they prefer it if closely-related projects merge), and (why I'm proposing it) would give us a larger, merged list of participants with a centralized talk page and help keep both projects active, not tagged with {{ Inactive}} nor sent to WP:MFD. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I think if a deletionist tags them then we can stratagise to survive - at the moment I would prefer if they were kept apart. There is plenty of snooker chatter, and it may dilute the focus of the project too much if it becomes a general market stall for a whole host of separate sports. SFC9394 ( talk) 18:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The article came up at random for me there and I noticed it wasn't in your project - I take it you want the 6-time world champion ;). The article seems in a reasonably good state but only has a single source. Bazzargh ( talk) 17:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Just looking through the results and I realised that this article is in a right mess! Any help sorting it out would be helpful. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 14:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
While I was looking at the Canadian Masters article I saw that Dennis Taylor had won the event twice, and in the infobox on his article it read that he had won only two non ranking events in his whole career, which is obviously incorrect. He has won the Masters as well as the World Trickshot Championhsip, but should the World Trickshot Championship count as a non-ranking event as it is a different skill altogether? Really each Irish Professional Championship Taylor has won should count as an individual non-ranking event as that is what has been done other articles of players who have won their national championship. So basically how many non-ranking wins should we say he has? There are similar problems about non-ranking event victories on many other snooker player articles of his era, including Terry Griffiths, Doug Mountjoy and Alex Higgins. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 18:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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Greetings. Has there ever been an article on the Nations Cup, do any of you know? Seems like it should be included at the dab page Nations Cup, and I was surprised that it was a redlink. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 01:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
The most common link from snooker player articles on here is their World Snooker profile, but unfortunately the site has changed and all the external links are defunct. So any help in changing the links would very helpful - but they now only have profiles on the current Main Tour players so many links about past professionals will simply have to be removed as they are no longer valid. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC) P.S here is the changed site: World Snooker
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Dead link}} instead of {{
Waybackdate}}. PS: This is one among many reasons that I keep {{
Clarifyme}} tagging the snooker articles with instructions to clean up the reference citations with {{
Cite web}} all the time. Far too many snooker editors just slap a URL in there without providing a properly formatted reference citation. This results in cleanup debacles like the one we have now. If these refs had all be done properly, they could all now be fixed with a bot or a AWB session, but instead are going to have to be fixed manually, one by one, article by article. Old saying: "If you don't have time to do it correctly to start with, then when will you?" —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)›
00:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Glaring redlinks: Snooker season 1987/1988, Snooker season 1989/1990, Snooker season 1990/1991, Snooker season 1991/1992. Also, all of them from Snooker season 1982/1983 backwards, though less important than those four. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 03:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
European Masters (snooker) (redlink from Darren Morgan) — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
In particular:
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
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I got a CfD bot notice about the deletion of Category:Swiss snooker players. That it existed at all almost certainly means that someone was in that category and then deleted. Anyone know who? I want to make sure that the stub that was probably in there wasn't salvageable. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 12:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Ive edited it! and it looks alot better! maybe add a picture or two! and add more refrences and maybe we'll have a star quality page!! Bobo6balde66 ( talk) 20:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Is there some template or empty, model article on which all of the event articles such as Bahrain Championship 2008 are based? If so, where is it? It is in sore need of WP:MOS cleanup. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I've deleted Category:American snooker players from Steve Mizerak, because as far as I can see he didn't play snooker, apart from a few exhibition challenge matches - unfortunately this leaves the category empty. Are there really no notable US snooker players? — sjorford ++ 21:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Both Mizerak and Jim Rempe from the USA played (and lost) in the early qualifying rounds of the Embassy World Snooker Championships in the late 1980s.
Billiards and Snooker Control Council needs an article (or section in another article; a section at World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association would be appropriate if WPBSA simply absorbed the BA&CC), and redirects should point to it from Billiards & Snooker Control Council, Billiard and Snooker Control Council, Billiard & Snooker Control Council, B&SCC, BSCC, as well as Billiards Association and Control Council (its older name), Billiards Association & Control Council, Billiard Association and Control Council, Billiard Association & Control Council, BA&CC and BACC. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
A variant of snooker exists known as "volunteer snooker" for which rules have been published. The BA&CC published rules for it; one source that is available from Amazon.com (I do not actually have it):
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help)— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Tournament information | |
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Dates | Last week |
Venue | My house!! |
City | Somewhere over the rainbow... |
Country | DeMoN's CoUnTrY |
Organisation | The Magic Association |
Format | Ranking-event |
Total prize fund | £1,000,000 |
Winner's share | £999,999 |
Highest break | 999 |
Defending champion | User:Alistairjh |
Final | |
Champion | User:Alistairjh |
Runner-up | User:Armbrust |
Would it be possible to make a tournament template for use on tournament pages, much like this one for darts: Template:Infobox Individual Darts Tournament? - Nick C ( t· c) 16:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox Individual Snooker Tournament
|tournament_name=Example Tournament
|dates=Last week
|venue=My house!!
|location=Somewhere over the rainbow...
|country=DeMoN's CoUnTrY
|organisation=The Magic Association
|format=Ranking-event
|Total prize fund=£1,000,000
|winners_share=£999,999
|highest_break=999
|defending_champion=[[User:Alistairjh]]
|winner=[[User:Alistairjh]]
|runner_up=[[User:Armbrust]]}}
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Hi, in the articles, the highest break is listed but not the player that got the highest break. Is it possible we could include the player in this section as it is an important tournament statistic, most tournaments also have a prize for this. ZoeL ( talk) 16:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes. If you want, here is the list of pages with infoboxes:
Armbrust ( talk) 18:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I fully understand why you did it - as it was three extra names isn't enough to warrant an article but a list of everyone who has won a professional tournament might be interesting. Maybe the way to go would be just to have a category like "champion snooker player" or something, since it is not something that needs to be independently referenced? Betty Logan ( talk) 07:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Something like this?
Name | WSC | Masters | UKC | GPC | BO | WO | CO | ... |
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Stephen Hendry | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | - | ||
Steve Davis | 6 | - | 4 | - | - | - | - | |
Ronnie O'Sullivan | 3 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | |
Jimmy White | - | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | - | - |
Or would this be completely unworkable? Flowerparty☀ 09:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
We could keep it to ranking wins, yeah, that would probably be easiest. Although that would exclude the Masters. Is there an official list of these wins somewhere? The best I can find is this, which is pretty useless. If not we could compile it from Category:Snooker ranking tournaments. Flowerparty☀ 12:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Here it is. It's very likely I've made a mistake somewhere, but the numbers seem to add up. Flowerparty☀ 16:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah it, looks pretty good. My only reservation is in regards to the Irish Open. It has a separate article as a separate event so maybe it should have its own column? Or maybe we should merge the European and Irish Open articles if the Irish Open was technically the European Open for that year with a redirect on the Irish Open page? At the moment it looks kind of clumsy since have we have the same column going to what looks like two separate events, so I think we should decide whether they are to be presented as the same event or separate events. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 April 13#Category:Female pool players. This is the third time this particular category has been up at CfD, as it keeps closing without consensus. This time it should close with a clear consensus, one way or the other, as it has high precedent value with regard to whether categories should be broadly gender-divided (e.g. a Category:Female snooker players). — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I posted a match score earlier for a match that was in progress and it was removed. I do not want to get into an edit war over if the scores should be there are not so would just like to ask if snooker scores should never be posted until the session is complete? Many other sports articles update scores for matches in progress. ZoeL ( talk) 10:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The problem is sometimes editors jump the gun and update the score before the frame is finished. In finals the match can be updated frame by frame because the frame scores are included. If frame scores were included for all matches then they could be updated frame by frame, but since they don't the scores are usually updated at the end of a session. Betty Logan ( talk) 22:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In the case of the WSC, I don't see the problem with frame by frame updating, as long as it, of course, is recorded officially. The world snooker site has live coverage, why not wikipedia? And I especially don't see why it should be ok in the final, when it is not ok in any other match. Glaux ( talk) 21:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been converting some of the old green tables to use class wikitable, however Armbrust has reverted a bunch of my changes saying the wikitble isn't clear enough. Is there any preference here for one format or the other? For comparison: old table, wikitable. Flowerparty☀ 13:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with either table, but the table usage should be consistent. The green table tends to be the standard snooker one, but if the other is a standard table that is used across wikipedia maybe the snooker tables should conform. What exactly is the case for adopting the new table? Betty Logan ( talk) 22:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
The wikitable format isn't new, I think it was introduced in 2005, but it is the standard format that's used everywhere on the wiki, we just never updated our pages. The argument for adopting it, then, is basically that standardisation is good - it means the look of our snooker articles will be consistent with the look of all our other articles and our tables will recognisably belong to the larger project. What use snooker project parochialism? And otherwise the wikitable just looks better, this looks like the work of an aestheticially challenged youth from 1996. The fact that the lists used this styling five years ago is irrelevant; six years ago the main page looked like this. Flowerparty☀ 23:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Seems to need adjusting conflict between page and world snooker profile. Suggest issue is of relevance as he seems to be closing in on a level of prize money at in and around £8.7 million which is near to £9 million- each time he has passed £5, 6, 7 million etc this has attracted general interest in media outside wikipedia. Each extra £1 he earns breaks his own all time record and unless the prize money in snooker is radically altered he is likely to be all time record holder for quite some time. Seems important to have an accurate record of what his actual table earnings are. -- 192.122.222.116 ( talk) 13:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
There shouldn't be any conflict. Adjust it so it matches the amount on his profile. Betty Logan ( talk) 15:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
You're on the Main Page. Well done! :) Cue (no pun intended) lots of WTF is snookers from astounded users coming across the sport for the first time!!! [3] [4] -- can dle • wicke 02:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous editor is going through all the player articles changing the nationalities of the players: Special:Contributions/86.17.0.3
What shall we do about it?
Betty Logan ( talk) 13:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
“Snooker's governing body regards England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as four different nationalities for the purposes of players' nationalities. The snooker articles on Wikipedia reflect this. If you think it should be done differently then you should take it up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Snooker. Making the changes to just one article puts it at odds with all the other snooker player articles. Betty Logan (talk) 09:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)”
Logan said the above however what the snooker rules say should not be a factor in the legal status of a person. Their legal status as British should be shown in the info box; just because the snooker guys class him as a Scottish player that should not be an overriding factor in suddenly making him “legally Scottish” - the UK Government has the last say when it comes to someone’s nationality and they say we are British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.0.3 ( talk) 14:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
A possible solution to accuretly cover your snooker requirements and the requirements of a biography would be to edit your template or use another slot on the template to show the nationality assigned to the players via the WSA. I.e.:
| Born = info
| Birthplace = Somewhere in the UK
| Nationality =
British
| Nickname = ...
| WSA nationality = English
| Professional = 2009 -
The consensus among those who created the articles and those who maintain them is to use the nationalities as recognised by their governing body. If you want propose a change you must outline your case here and get a consensus to alter the articles. Betty Logan ( talk) 15:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Or we can make it so:
Professional | 1989-2006 |
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Highest ranking | 27 |
Armbrust ( talk) 15:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I think maybe we should change 'nationality' to 'playing nationality'.
Betty Logan (
talk)
15:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I made it. Armbrust ( talk) 15:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
This is senselessly pedantic. While it may not be correct in general to say X is of Scottish nationality it's clear that here the term is being used in a more narrow sense which is nevertheless conventional when discussing snooker. It is not the role of wikipedia to pass judgment on trivial matters of language, we're merely here to reflect existing usage. 'Playing Nationality' is a meaningless coinage for which I can find no precedent on google. 'Country' would perhaps be more correct, but I'm not willing to go through all the articles changing Welsh to Wales. If the anon wishes to do that I would have no objection. I'm restoring 'nationality' to the infobox for now. Flowerparty☀ 21:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we should keep them by "English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish". For example: the nickname of Mark Williams is "Welsh Potting Machine". Armbrust ( talk) 21:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
This is a non-issue. Snooker players from within the UK play under their national identities (English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish) - and those identities are recognised by the body that administrates the sport as being such. This has long been recognised here on this issue - if a sportsperson performs and is recognised as performing under a national identity by the sports governing body then that is what we should say and state.
Colin Montgomerie is listed by us as Scottish because his performs and is recognised by his sport as Scottish -
David Coulthard is listed by us as British because he performs and is recognised by his sport as British. POV pushing is not good, and any future mass changes along these lines should be treated as POV pushing and dealt with accordingly.
SFC9394 (
talk)
20:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone keeps changing Alex Higgins nationality to "British" in his Infobox. Can people keep a watch over it please. Betty Logan ( talk) 13:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a table of the finals on the main article: UK Snooker Championship#Winners. There is also exactly the same table in its own devoted article: List of UK snooker champions. Obviously having two lists is completely redundant so I see absolutely no purpose in having a separate list. What does everyone else think? Do you think we should delete one, and if so which one? No other tournament has two separate tables listsing the finals. Betty Logan ( talk) 10:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I think the article List of UK snooker champions should be deleted, because
Armbrust ( talk) 13:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Since no-one has objected to this I will press on with it. Betty Logan ( talk) 11:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
There are currently some editors in the process of removing the Northern Ireland flag form snooker player profiles on the basis it is no longer the NI flag. What are we going to do about this? Removing it would require changes to all the NI snooker articles and also to all the tournament articles that NI players are featured on.
The options here are:
I think it would be useful to have a consensus on this issue instead of having renegades running all over the place making changes to arbitrary articles. Betty Logan ( talk) 14:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I accept the reasons, what I want is an agreed course of action. Is there anything to replace it with? What do other articles do in this situation? Does the NI national football team use anything? We can drop the flag from the player article I guess, but what about tournament articles where players are represented by the their flags? Do we simply have a blank spot, or do we restructure the tournamnet pages to remove all the flags? Can we agree to at least not make any more changes until this is sorted out otherwise we just end up with a mess. Betty Logan ( talk) 14:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The WSA simply put 'NI' next to the players name. Perhaps on the tournament pages we can just have a little box the size of the flags with 'NI' written in it. That would be consistent with the WSA usage and would make the player's nationality identifiable from the tournament tables. Would this be a go-er? In the player articles we can just have "Northern irish" without the flag. Any takers?? Betty Logan ( talk) 14:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Well look, basically we need some more input from the other Snooker Project participants. I'm happy to go with a majority on this since I don't think it's much of a big deal personally, provided the changes are applied consistently across the articles. But the Flag issue aside Big Dunc also keeps changing the nationality from NI to British, and the current usage has already been firmly agreed upon. The constituent nationalities are the ones used by the WSA and the purpose of the Snooker Info boxes are to document snooker information not biographical information. Betty Logan ( talk) 15:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think we should use this
only on tournament pages, so that it should be clear that the player is from Northern Ireland, but we don't need it on the articles about snooker players.
Armbrust (
talk)
15:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a longstanding issue that has been discussed many times before. For example, Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland flag usage/Archive 2#Restarting the mediation was my detailed proposal from November 2007 about how the flag should be used. Yes, that flag is politically anachronistic to represent Northern Ireland, but from a contemporary perspective, it is still the de facto flag for Northern Ireland for several sports. Certainly, the use by FIFA and UEFA to represent the national football team and to represent club teams competing in international club tournaments is well documented. It is clearly also used for all Commonwealth Games events, regardless of how those individual sports may be organised outside the Games. For example, a swimmer might compete for NIR at the CG, but would compete for GBR (under the Union flag) or compete for IRL (under the tricolour) at Olympic Games and FINA championships. As for snooker, I think it falls into the set of sports where NIR is distinct from GBR or IRL, as mentioned in the "To identify sports teams or individual athletes" section of my proposal. So with respect to the current dispute here, might I offer a compromise solution. I agree with the comments made by User:SMcCandlish here. I think it is inappropriate to use the flag to identify the nationality of an individual player in the infobox of that person's article. (Actually, I am opposed to the use of those lone flag icons for the nationality field in the infobox of any person, regardless of their area of notability. It draws WP:UNDUE weight to that single field in those infoboxes.) I would propose that this project remove the flags for all "Nationality" fields, replacing them with a text string that says something like "British (England)", "British (Northern Ireland)", etc. But as SMcCandlish suggests, the flag icons can remain in tournament results brackets and tables. — Andrwsc ( talk · contribs) 16:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I am glad you said well documented regarding the use of the flag is there such documentation to show that the UB is useed by the governing body of snooker if yes I would have no objection. But if not used by governing body then I object to its use. BigDunc Talk 18:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Here is the Ulster flag in use in a photo from the Northern Ireland Billiards and Snooker Association which incidentally is approved by the Sports Council of Northern Ireland: http://www.nisnooker.org/Flag%20Bearers%20Sri%20Lanka%201990.jpg. Betty Logan ( talk) 18:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The Ulster Banner is immediately recognizable as the flag of Northern Ireland and has been so for many many years irrespective of the British Governments recent efforts to ban its use on the basis that it is not acceptable to a certain Republican minority. Official or not, the Ulster Banner is the Northern Ireland flag and should be used as such in all articles. -- De Unionist ( talk) 22:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
What is usually used to visually represent Northern Ireland's participation in sport events? Are there any instances of the Ulster flag not being used, and if so what is used in its place? Betty Logan ( talk) 22:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Those individuals supporting Northern Ireland teams usually fly the Ulster Banner or the Union Jack. You will find that it is only Republicans who have an ulterior political motive for not supporting such activity. They tend to fly the Republican Tri-colour [5] which signifies their support of the Irish Republic and their political agenda of an all-Ireland 32 County Republic. -- De Unionist ( talk) 23:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The anti-flag people want to see examples of the flag being used in a snooker context which is fair enough I suppose, so ideally we need to find some contemporary examples. At least Wikipedia's usage will be reflecting the usage in the game. Unfortunately there haven't been any professional nationalist events in recent years, but there may be recent examples in the amateur game we can dig up. Who would think "The Troubles" would come to the Wikipedia Snooker Project eh? Betty Logan ( talk) 00:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
There are no Nationalist sports which have represented Northern Ireland, they are all affiliated with the Republic of Ireland, Irish Republic or the Free State if you prefer! -- De Unionist ( talk) 00:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
OK...I have found this results page on the IBSF site: [6]. You will note there a couple of Northern Irish players in the draw and are represented by the Ulster flag and identified as "NIR" in the table below. The IBSF are the international governing body for amateur billiards and snooker. Betty Logan ( talk) 00:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I must agree with you Betty, a very sensible comment if I may say so. As for Alex Higgins, who was born and educated in Northern Ireland being British, is an Arab born in Israel an Israeli? I think they refer to them as being Israeli Arabs. Is Higgins a Britsh Paddy then?? -- De Unionist ( talk) 12:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Just to let other users know that I will be editing on here again. I haven't edited on here for a long time due to other commitments. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 17:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
As both world snooker and the global snooker sites have been 'updated' the old links don't work, so that is something that needs to be addressed in the snooker player articles, many of them link to articles that no longer exist. However there are other sites that can be used such as Pro Snooker Blog that has many good player articles and there are new ones on the updated global snooker site. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 19:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.
The Transhumanist 00:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
P.S.: See Wikipedia's collection of outlines at WP:OOK.
Maybe we can include a section about this on the main project page, so the use of the national flags (England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland) is clearly explained along with the appropriate context. It is getting tiresome having to revert all flags that are changed to union jacks. The usage of the national flags and inparticular the Ulster flag on result and drawsheets reflect the usage of the IBSF to visually identify the nationalities/countries that players represent. This obviously needs to be made explictly clear to editors beyond the scope of the snooker project since it seems to cause the most confusion. Betty Logan ( talk) 13:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree. It should be made to prevent further confusion. Armbrust ( talk) 13:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I've created a page clarifying the consensus of the Snooker Wikiproject at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Nationalities and flags. I will add a link from the main project page. If I've got anything wrong or missed anything out feel free to correct it. Betty Logan ( talk) 07:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous editor keeps altering content within the article so that it contradicts the source. I think it might be Quinten Hann himself, or a deluded fan. The Snooker Project should keep an eye on the article and make sure that sourced information is not removed. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
These are basically the same tournament, with the European Open being rebranded the Malta Cup in 2005. This has happened in many other tournaments such as the International Open, which became the Scottish Open and then the Player's Championship. The Grand Prix was the LG Cup for three years. Rebranded tournaments tend to just come unde rthe one article and have the one entry in charts and tables etc, but with the EO and MC they are separate. Do you think they should be merged so that they are consistent with how this is handled on the other tournamnet articles? Betty Logan ( talk) 17:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea, however if it will be merged, then the Irish Open (snooker) should be merged too, because (as it says) it was the "European ranking tournament in 1998." Armbrust ( talk) 18:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)