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I did some work this evening on the White Horse Prophecy article — added some images, rewrote some of the beginning, and incorporated a reference from Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling. I think this article is in serious need of a wider variety of sources. Right now, there is one source — an article in the Huffington Post, self-identified as a "blog post" (!) — that is being used 11 times; that really needs to be improved. Richwales ( talk · contribs) 06:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone with some familiarity on reliable LDS-related sources have a look at Mormon Expression and perhaps contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mormon Expression? Thanks! VQuakr ( talk) 01:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
See here: Wikipedia:Featured article review/Latter Days/archive1 TCO ( talk) 14:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Check out the proposed wikiproject Conservatism here.
At User talk:208.81.184.4#Template:WikiProject Christianity I'm being informed that there is a consensus for replacing Template:LDSproject/ Template:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement with Template:WikiProject Christianity in all cases. I agree that it's best to use Template:WikiProject Christianity on articles that would properly fit under multiple Christianity related projects, and see that there is a consensus for that. However the argument that this consensus therefor extends to completely replace Template:LDSproject in all cases with Template:WikiProject Christianity doesn't seem correct; if the subject of the article would not reasonably include one of the other Christianity related projects/workgroups/taskforces that are outside of what is covered by Template:LDSproject, then it seems reasonable that Template:LDSproject should be the template to use.
If Template:LDSproject has truly been deprecated, why does it still exist? I would think that it's continued existence indicates that there is a consensus by this WikiProject that it still should be in use, and the only bright line for when to use it that I can see is as described above. However if the members of WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement do want to indicate a consensus that it should no longer be used, or wish to set limits on when it should be used, I would think that discussion should happen here, not at the talk pages of other WikiProjects or on user talk pages. - 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the primary point of contention is, basically, that the Christianity banner includes separate importance rankings for the LDS project (and for the LDS Church work group as well) but that the same cannot be said for the LDS banner. I guess, in my own opinion, the question would be what the specific reasons for the use of the LDS banner are. I don't know that I have seen any clear reasons for that separate usage yet. Also, I am slowly in the process of developing lists of relevant books, journals, etc., for each project. I believe that there are some which relate to Christianity in general which may also rather regularly discuss the LDS movement, but believe that making it easier for interested editors to find and access sources would be a very valuable point, and that I think it is probably a bit easier to make that easier for editors by bringing them to the main relevant "Christianity" sections than by initially taking them to smaller, more dedicated, but possibly less immediately useful subpages. John Carter ( talk) 17:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, there is a discussion relevant to this WikiProject going on here which involves some users who wish to state that the Christian group, Family Research Council, is in fact a "hate group" in the introduction of the article. Please see the discussion and consider the arguments for or against this inclusion there. Thanks, Anupam Talk 15:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I created two articles about vanished Texas Mormon settlements that need categories from Mormonism. Browsing, I didn't see any category that was a good fit, except perhaps the subcategory of Danites. Both settlements were associated with Lyman Wight. I will give you a link to the two articles. Please feel free to add appropriate category or categories: Zodiac, Texas and Morman Mill, Burnet County, Texas. Maile66 ( talk) 01:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Please share your thoughts for improving and using this new template. ...comments? ~ B F izz 17:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The latest Catholicism-related article is listed for DYK here. Come join the discussion to help shape the hook.
It would be helpful if any members of the project who are knowledgeable about Mormon fundamentalism topics could comment at Talk:John W. Bryant#Proposal #2.
Brief background: An IP user, who says he is a son of John W. Bryant, removed a cited quote from the article. This led to a bit of an edit war. The removed material was a quote from one of Bryant's wives found in Richard S. Van Wagoner's book Mormon Polygamy: A History. Basically, the IP user doesn't want the Van Wagoner source used in the article, apparently because it quotes this wife who the IP user says is an unreliable source of information (he hasn't been entirely forthcoming about the exact reasons, but it appears he is OK with the information in the article, just not the Van Wagoner source). Long discussions have ensued, and with the help of other editors we seem to have come to a sort of consensus that Van Wagoner is a reliable source and that it should be used. The section contains a proposal of how to word the information that is about to be re-added to the article. Any comments on whether the proposal is appropriate are welcome. — Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
There is an open Request for Comment at Talk:Relief Society#NPOV Question ... that hasn't had much attention and could use some more opinions. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
If anyone would like to chime in at a discussion of whether Mormon should refer specifically to the Latter-day Saints in Wikipedia articles, please visit the MOSLDS talkpage here: " Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Latter Day Saints)#Suggestion." Thanks.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 14:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
A couple of years ago, there was an experiment to start an " LDS Church work group" as a sub-group of this workgroup. Now, over two years later, it seems that the effort was unsuccessful. There have been, for example, only four (4) edits to the project page in the last year, and only six (6) edits in the last two years. Clearly, the workgroup has died.
Moreover, it is not clear to me that there is a need for a separate group to work on only LDS Church related articles. Almost all the same people who are interested in working on those articles are the same people who are interested in working on articles relating to Mormonism/LDS movement in general. So having to maintain two projects causes us to divide our efforts and decrease the effectiveness of both groups. I think it's time to give the work group the honorable death it deserves, and to merge it back here. Its better to funnel all Mormonism-related efforts into a single project. COGDEN 22:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion of the use of the term LDS Church on Wikipedia--as well as the distinction, if any, between Mormon and Latter-day Saint--here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Latter Day Saints)#Regarding term "the Mormon Church". If you happen to be among the very few Wikidenizens that see this notice on this page, if you'd read the somewhat technical material in that talkpage section and provide us with your opinion/insights, the lone pair of Wikipedians that have chimed in so far will be truly appreciative.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 15:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Since the El Capitan School was involved with LDS movement, I would like to post this request here.
Is anyone in proximity or will be in proximity to Colorado City, AZ? If so, would you mind taking:
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
The article on Avraham Gileadi has been pruned back to essentially a wp:stub today by an editor citing wp:BLP issues, and a wp:PROD was placed on it for notability. I removed the PROD, and suggested that the interested editor take the issue to a wp:AFD if they wanted to pursue that any further; however that article needs to be fleshed out (again). Any takers? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 19:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome.
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A question about the uses of "Grampa Bill's G.A. Pages" has come up on Talk:William E. M'Lellin. Since this source is used on a large number of LDS pages I think comments are by this project.-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 13:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
What is the difference between LDS Humanitarian Services & LDS Philanthropies, & how can we better make clear that difference on those separate articles? Both articles seem to be talking about essentially the same effort. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 17:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
The Kevin Garn article is being used by User:Nottoohappy as a wp:Coatrack to attack the LDS Church. It has been reverted, but the user has been repeatedly reinserted his claims into that article. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
At Christian population growth#United States Mormonism is listed as non-christian, Religion in the United States#Christianity list the LDS Church as the 4th largest Christian denomination in the US, but then Christianity in the United States just gives a oblique mention to Mormonism as stemming from the Second Great Awakening/Revivalism. It would appear that there is an opportunity to expand &/or fine-tune coverage of the Latter Day Saint Movement in these articles. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
There are some disputes going on at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regarding preferred neutral forms of reference to this church and the question of how its early history should be described. See here and here for representative samples, as well as most of the current content of Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The dispute has already resulted in a certain amount of edit-warring, and the main participants so far seem to be having a hard time agreeing on what phraseology is neutral or unduly pro-/anti-Mormon. We could use some more input here from a wider spectrum of interested editors. Richwales ( talk · contribs) 14:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I have been debating with myself about uploading the images of Thomas B. Marsh and David W. Patten found here and here respectively. The problem I have is a matter if Verifiability (even though I have not been able to find rules regarding images and Verifiability). I would love to add an image of Marsh and Patten to their pages and the lists they are on, but I'm concerned that these aren’t Marsh or Patten, so I thought I would ask those of you that seem to know more about Latter Day Saint history.
I would use theses image since:
For the Marsh image:
For the Patten image
For Both images
I wouldn't use theses image since:
So what do you all think. Are these image real or not? Should they be used or not?-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 16:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The effort to rename Pro-life and Abortion-rights continues unabated. The discussion is here. It is in mediation. – Lionel ( talk) 08:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
We need some opinions on the article about Fawn Brodie's book No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith. Recent DNA testing has found that several of the children Brodie mentions in her book as being possible kids of Joseph Smith, are not in fact his children. I think she says something like the evidence "seems to weigh the balance overwhelmingly on the side of Joseph’s paternity"; meaning the children are progeny of Smiths. User:John Foxe believes adding a single sentence stating that some have come to criticize parts of Brodie's book because of this new information—meaning the DNA testing—is WP:UNDUE, apologetic and "at best footnote stuff." See Talk:No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith#Brodie and Joseph Smith DNA. Any other opinions? As it seems an edit war is brewing! 97.117.1.53 ( talk) 03:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Should Template:Cire news exist? It is the oddest attempt at a template I have ever seen here at WP. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 20:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I have commented on the talk page regarding this list, and would welcome further input there: [1] AndyTheGrump ( talk) 18:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I would welcome comments at Talk:Smith Family Farm about what I see as an wp:UNDUE issue with a recent contribution to that article. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-08-15/News and notes has managed to completely mess up the name of the LDS Church and mistakenly attribute comments by FAIR to "elements" of the LDS Church. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 20:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The LDS scripture template ( Template:Lds) does not seem to be working properly in all instances anymore. It seems to work in some instances (e.g. Alma 39:5; Leviticus 18:22; Doctrine and Covenants 131:1–4; Doctrine and Covenants 121:45–46), but not in others (e.g. 2 Nephi 13:9 for http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/13.9?lang=eng#8 or Lua error: Book <jst-gen> not found in Standard Works. for http://lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst-gen/19?lang=eng). It seemes related to the change in the URl used by the LDS Church (i.e. from http://scriptures.lds.org http://scriptures.lds.org/john/3/5#5/john/3/5#5 to http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/3.5?lang=eng#4 for this same example verse). This is beyond my ability to troubleshoot/fix, so I was hoping someone might take a look at it to see what can be done. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 17:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe I've fixed this with a test on the book and adding in the scripture type (standard work: ot,nt,bofm,dc-testament,pgp). Please let me know of any examples that don't work. The prior version (of the scriptures on lds.org i.e. http://scriptures.lds.org) allowed you to bookmark to a specific footnote - the new one ( http://lds.org/scriptures/) does not - so I've not tested that. The template parameters need to be deprecated to indicate that linking to a footnote is not longer supported. -- Trödel 02:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I've nominated White Horse Prophecy as a Good Article candidate. Richwales ( talk · contribs) 17:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I have started a discussion ( here) on William Smith and Lyman Wight. How the events, regarding Smith and Wight, unfolded could effect several pages (i.e. Lyman Wight, William Smith, RLDS, List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movement, Template:Smith family lineal succession, etc.), so input by those who understand this topic, would be greatly appreciated.-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 13:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a raging RfC at Militant atheism. Don't miss out on the discussion of the year! Click here. – Lionel ( talk) 04:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article on Elias has recently been merget with that of Elijah, and this resulted in duplicate sections Elijah#Elias in Mormonism and Elijah#In Latter-day Saint perspective. A cleanup would be desirable. Andreas (T) 22:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Members of this project and other interested Wikipedians may wish to look at Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Hong Kong and Talk:Christianity in Hong Kong. Among other things STSC ( talk · contribs) is dragging out the "Mormons are not Christian" dead horse yet again with these articles, and other related articles & categories. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 17:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there enough reliable sources currently published to properly source the Polygamy: What Love Is This? article? If not, should that article continue to exist? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion on Talk:Mormon over where the page should redirect. This is a very high traffic redirect that averages around 1k hits per day. Please see the discussion for more details. -- Adjwilley ( talk) 15:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I would welcome comments at Talk:Teancum#Images without reference by members of this WikiProject, and other interested parties. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 19:35, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in California about if Latter-day Saints played any significant role in the history of Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco. Members of this WikiProject and other interested parties would be welcome to weigh-in on this conversation. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 16:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Anachronisms in the Book of Mormon has recently had about 20 paragraphs worth of material deleted from it without any discussion. All of the material removed appears to be pro-Mormon, with information from FARMS heavily represented in the redaction. The edit summaries provided make this appear to be a POV move, with such enlightening explanations as "rubbish", "More nonsense", "who's adding these silly arguments?", etc. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
It looks like Grampa Bill's G.A. Pages has been taken down. I find it a great loss, so when you are editing pages with this link I would suggest removing them.-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 16:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I have found a large number of images for individuals that were leading in the Per-Succession crisis Church. While these image are normally uploaded to commons, both Wikipedia pages and Commons images have the same Category issues, so I am bringing it up here, and will then move into "fixing" the commons Categories.
I am having a hard time with putting them into the correct categories. For example, Hyrum Smith. He was the Presiding Patriarch. However, both the LDS Church and the Community of Christ claim him so he is in the "Presiding Evangelists of the Community of Christ" and "Presiding Patriarchs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". It gets even worse when you notice he is in the "Counselors in the First Presidency (LDS Church)" and "Members of the First Presidency (LDS Church)", but not the "Members of the First Presidency (Community of Christ)" category.
I noticed that, when it comes to "Apostles" the Per-Succession crisis Apostles have a separate category )(ie Category:Apostles of the Church of Christ (Latter Day Saints)) which is a subcategory of both "Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and "Apostles of the Community of Christ". I like this arrangement, but I am concerned that, if I were to make this kind of change, it would be controversial, so I thought I would bring it up here first.
What do all of you think. Should we make matching "XXX of the Church of Christ (Latter Day Saints)" for the "First Presidency" and other Latter day saint leaders who were Per-Succession crisis?-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 18:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedians with an interest in this WikiProject may be interested in the following closed deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stick of Joseph, given the important place that concept plays in the theology of Mormonism. This article was attacked based on the concept being "fringe" (i.e. not generally accepted), even though documented reliable sources were provided that this is part of Mormon theology. Given that the value of theological beliefs of one faith system should not be measured based on the arbitrary criteria of it's acceptance by other faith systems, it would seem this deletion should be overturned. However I do not feel I can champion this thru an undeletion request, so I was hoping that another interested party would take this up. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
In light of the fact that the LDS Church work group was folded back into this WikiProject several months ago ( link to the discussion), would there be any objection to deleting and/or upmerging, as appropriate, the contents of Category:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints work group – consisting primarily of the now-empty assessment categories and two project pages that appear to be deprecated? Thank you, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 08:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
The Mormon article is undergoing a GA review, and has been put on hold to deal with concerns. More details at Talk:Mormons/GA1. Input would be valued. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pratt–Romney family. BigJim707 ( talk) 18:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone restore the citations and catagories that were on Council of Fifty prior to the recent difficulties on that article involving Mormonfaith101 ( talk · contribs)? Looks like the last good version for that was by User:ProfPolySci45 ( dif). I have also tried to cleanup & expand slightly Council of Friends, but it could use more work. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 16:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Been a while since I've been very active around here so it's taken me this long to notice the updates to the maps with the self-updating color dots to reflect status. Pretty cool. I do have a couple of points to bring up about the changes, though.
First, and foremost, I'm not sure I like how temples such as Boise or Ogden are showing up with a black dot and the status of "closed". This is compounded by other maps that use the black dot to lump the "closed" temples in with those that have been destroyed or simply no longer exist; to me, anyway, this creates the implication that the temples are closed permanently. It would make more sense for these temples to be lumped in under the blue dot for "under construction" as to me, this is logically a bit closer to what is going on than simply being closed. Perhaps the language being used for their status should be changed; "closed for renovation" or something that is more succinct but more accurate than simply closed.
Second, I wonder at the utility in including dots on the maps for "efforts suspended" temples like Harrison, Far West, Independence and Adam-ondi-Ahman. This may be more personal taste than anything else but to me it seems a bit superfluous to include non-existent structures on a geographical representation of said structures. In the case of the latter three, their inclusion on the map has necessitated a rather visually displeasing inset of Missouri on the Central US Map. I'd personally prefer not to see them listed on a map at all.
Finally, and I want to make sure this isn't just my browser that is doing this, but I've noticed that on some maps (particularly the more crowded ones in the western US) the new increased font size of the currently selected temple is causing some overlap issues that probably be fixed with a little judicious repositioning of the labels, but I wanted to make sure this was something others were noticing before I embark on some kind of map editing mission. Sher eth 16:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been nominated for the removal of Featured List status, as it is thought to no longer meet the Featured List criteria. -- Stemonitis ( talk) 15:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is currently listed on Template:New Religious Movements, Cults, and Sects since this edit by Borock ( talk · contribs) on 22 October 2011. I disagree with it being included on that template, and removed it, but was quickly reverted. Before pursuing the matter any further, I wanted see what members of this WikiProject thought: should the LDS Church be included on that template? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Greetings! Ii gives me great pleasure to announce the inaugural 2012 WikiGrail. It is a friendly competition for Christianity-related project members that awards points for good articles, featured content, and other markers of editing skill. You simply just have to list your name here. Hope to see you there! Warm regards, – Lionel ( talk) 10:41, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Would someone take a look at the First Presidency article? It currently cites no sources at all for its content, a situation that has existed since October 2007 based on the date of the {{ Unreferenced}} template added, and even longer if you look at its history. This seems like too important a topic within your wikiproject for it to remain unreferenced for that long. I just made a few changes in an attempt to improve the article, but those changes were mere copy-editing. Thanks. 72.244.200.108 ( talk) 18:36, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
It pains me to have found this, but it looks like we have yet another LDS Church related IP user trolling User Talk pages (saying things like "I have learned for myself that your beliefs are not true") this time from a BYU IP ( diffs) instead one from the LDS Church ( previous talk). This is the first time for this user, and I placed a comment on their talk page that will hopefully assist them in understanding that they are behaving in a shameful manner; however there are lots of BYU & LDS Church related IP addresses, and I'm not sure how to keep an eye on this if this becomes a wider trend. Any thoughts? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 00:21, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
The template of the tree of the P.P./O.Pratt family, which the wikiproject may have contributed to, is the subject of a deletion discussion here:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Pratt Family Association .--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
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Hi, there is a unreferenced tag at God_the_Father#Mormonism. Could one of you guys check the text there please and add a couple of sources? It is a key article and should not be unsourced. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 04:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
There is something hinky going on over at Mormonism and violence; Amadscientist ( talk · contribs) has accused an LDS.org url of containing malware, and has also opened this ANI to report me for spreading malware by adding an LDS.org reference. I have no idea what he's talking about, and opened a discussion about this at Talk:Mormonism and violence just before getting the notice of the ANI report. Can someone, maybe an administrator with knowledge of this project, help me? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 20:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
It was a near by reference associated with a mass type attack associated with a similar IP. It was malware. The proper reference has been deleted and the ANI report struck out and updated with full details.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 04:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The editor(s) using 208.81.184.4 which have been previously contributed to articles, talk pages, etc... related to this WikiProject are unfortunately unable to do so going forward; for more information please see User talk:208.81.184.4#Restricted editing from this IP address. Since editor(s) from this IP have been actively participating in this and related topic spheres for quite some time now, it seemed appropriate to notify this project. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 19:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Right now, it doesn't seem like there is a "Criticism" section on a lot of the pages about LDS Temples and what happens inside them. Discontent and criticism of the closed nature of temples, especially surrounding weddings that exclude non-Mormon family members, is well-documented, and much criticism is founded on the fact that no one really knows what is happening inside temples. This content needs to be added because, as it stands now, the articles read very pro-LDS and lack neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.253.18.168 ( talk • contribs)
Hi folks, I was going to ask this at Category talk:American Latter Day Saints but figured there would be more knowledgeable people here to answer. Would it be appropriate to create a subcategory of Category:American Latter Day Saints who are members of the Democratic Party? Given that the majority of LDS Church members identify as conservative and/or Republican ( [2]), this seems like a notable intersection. I couldn't tell from WP:COP, although that made me think a list might be more appropriate. Would the answer be contingent on coverage in WP:RS, or would such categorization be inappropriate on its face? Thanks, BDD ( talk) 20:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is currently a redirect. I think that the corporation meets WP:GNG and deserves an article of its own. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Name_and_legal_entities is a starting place. One useful source of secondary coverage is:
67.101.5.42 ( talk) 20:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Yet again, some editors are apparently discounting the validity of sources on LDS topics when there is a relationship with the LDS Church (e.g. BYU, Deseret News). See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogden Stake Tabernacle -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 00:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Montréal Québec Temple is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montréal Québec Temple until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- BDD ( talk) 17:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Members of this WP project and all interested parties are invited to comment at Talk:Laie Hawaii Temple on the questions: (1) are temple presidents notable for their service in this role; (2) should a list of these gentleman appear on the Laie Hawaii Temple article, &/or any other LDS temple article? -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 16:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Mentorship for an aspiring editor on the topic of this LDS archaeologist would be appreciated: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Warren Peter Aston. I ran across him at WP:AFC and had to Decline at first due to lack of sourcing, though this figure may indeed be notable. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
There's been some nonsense recently over at Good Neighbor policy (LDS Church) that members of this WikiProject and other interested parties might want to be aware of. One or more editors from Korean IP addresses have made multiple efforts to include text to the effect that the oath of vengeance is still occurring, using a YouTube video of supposed "[h]idden camera footage" as a reference. Oddly enough they are trying to claim the video and the related comments posted on YouTube prove it is a modern practice that happens during a "traditionally secret Mormon wedding ceremony". Given the oath of vengeance doesn't happen anymore in the mainstream LDS Church, and it was never part of the temple sealing (Mormonism) ordinance, but was instead part of the endowment (Mormonism), this effort seems to indicate that the posters are either incredibly uninformed (apparently not even bothering to read/understand the related WP articles), naive/gullible, &/or may even be intentionally trying to perpetuate a hoax. It seems like a good idea for multiple interested parties (both LDS and non-LDS) to watchlist Good Neighbor policy (LDS Church), oath of vengeance, endowment (Mormonism), sealing (Mormonism), and any other related articles to keep an eye on this. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 00:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Could members of this project and other interested parties please take a look at the current state of Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church)? Feedback would be appreciated specifically on the references that have been recently added to the article to address issues discussed at Talk:Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church), as well as how to improve the structure and wording of the article. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Two thousand stripling warriors is disputed by someone who prepended the source with a marker that produces "This article improperly uses one or more religious texts as primary sources without referring to secondary sources that critically analyze them." That seems inappropriate to me, since all articles from the Book of Mormon stand or fall together. Appropriate seems to have such articles point to the Historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon article, and omit the marker, such as in the style of Book of Exodus. Shall I change Two thousand stripling warriors that way and let people review it? DavidForthoffer ( talk) 03:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Haven't we already been thru this before? I thought there was a consensus that the most historically correct usage for this particular individual is William E. M'Lellin not William E. McLellin. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 23:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to know if there are any guidelines/discussion/consensus on who/what is notable enough for an article. I feel like there is sort of a working consensus, but it is frequently challenged, so it would be nice to have some sort of consensus-forming discussion to point to in these cases. If there is not such a discussion, I recommend that we start one here. Here are my thoughts regarding a possible guideline:
Are there any suggested additions or subtractions to this list? ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 20:26, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I thought it would be useful to put some of the people mentioned in D&C into a category, unfortunately someone has proposed deleting it before I've even finished.
I would be happy if some project members weighed in on this. The user proposing deletion didn't bother listing it here.-- MacRùsgail ( talk) 14:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I've raised this at WP:NPOVN#Latter Day Saints portals. This has existed since August 2006 - how could it possibly have been missed? Dougweller ( talk) 10:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
In the last few weeks there seems to have been many less than useful edits about Mormonism being contributed from multiple (possibly rotating?) IP addresses that come from the "Northbank Industrial Estate" ( Irlam, City of Salford, Greater Manchester, England). I just noticed the trend, so thought that others might not have seen it yet, and wanted to make the project aware of it. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 20:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
There are two distinct, but somewhat related conversations underway at Talk:Chronology of Mormonism & Talk:20th century (Mormonism). Members of this WikiProject and other interested parties would be welcome to weigh-in on these discussions. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 17:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
The redirect Nephite Church of Christ is being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 February 21. Unfortunately, the nominator found a defunct blog with the name and the discussion has mostly revolved around the assumption that the only use for this phrase is the name of the blog. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I'm concerned that it might be wrongly deleted without knowledgeable people voicing in on this. Please comment there. Ego White Tray ( talk) 05:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Gregory L. Smith, a Mormon historian and apologist, has been listed for AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gregory L. Smith. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 22:33, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
If there isn't one already, there should probably be an article on bigamy-related prosecutions of Mormons in the United States prior to 1890.
This request is prompted by a recently-declined WP:Articles for Creation, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Austin Greeley Green. Please see the comments I added near the top of this page for possible references for a future article. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 03:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, you guys probably know more about the issues on how this project may relate to this discussion than I do, so comments will be appreciated. I may stop watching that page after a while anyway, if you guys want to watch it. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 13:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Given the fact History2007 will not engage in discussion on the talk page, that he edit wars on the article page, and that he attempts to have users blocked/banned in an attempt to shut down discussion, it is not a stretch to assume he has canvassed here in an attempt to sway discussion. IcarusVsSun ( talk) 15:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
History2007, you are again misrepresenting your edits to the page. Over the past fourteen months you have continued to revert the article to a version you agree with without engaging in any discussion. To come here and canvass for other Mormon editors to push your POV is a direct policy violation. IcarusVsSun ( talk) 15:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)