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This kind of thing is endemic in en:WP (let alone ja:WP).
That it's endemic doesn't mean it shouldn't or can't be fixed. (Indeed, I fixed it for
this university.) Here's what I think needs to be done for any list of teaching staff or alumni:
Link all the names
Delete any, however eminent, that is redlinked
Source each person's relationship to the university (RS only!)
Delete any name that can't be sourced within four months or so
If the list of references promises to be excruciatingly long, then do away with the list and use a category instead. (Of course, inclusion in the category should require a RS.)
This is something I have also noted recently, and agree entirely with your suggested course of action. --
DAJF (
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13:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
You and I have made
a start. Now all that has to be done is the remaining 98% of the work on that article, and all the work on hundreds more universities. A thrilling prospect! ¶ [later:] Hoping to bring down the former figure to a more manageable 96%, I decided to "source" one more claim. I clicked on the bios of five more artistes. Not one sourced the claim that the person had graduated from the particular university. For at least two of these articles I clicked on any vaguely authoritative-looking source provided for the article; as a whole none told me anything. One article even implored editors to augment it by translating from the Japanese article; inferring that the Japanese article would be good, I took a look -- and no, it was a dreary chronology, completely unsourced and richly meriting warning flags of its own. (I'm not sure that I have ever seen an article in ja:WP that merited translation.) Eventually I found one source (NYT!) for a second person's study. --
Hoary (
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14:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, enough of Geidai.
That article had, and still has, four photos of individuals said to have studied or taught there (of which at least one is copyright with a very dubious "fair use" rationale). No evidence was presented either in that article or in the biographical articles for the relationship of any one of these to the university. And I've given up looking in ja:WP for evidence for anything -- ja:WP seems to be a collection of factoids vaguely remembered as seen on the telly, or similar.
I've now sourced two of the four individuals. As for the other two, I'm pretty sure that Sakamoto and Kitano are indeed related, but I got tired of looking for solid evidence. And the lists of alumni and faculty members remain largely unsourced.
Japanese universities are a disaster area within en:WP. I'd hope that we can at least agree:
to stop adding any claim of affiliation -- having studied there, having taught there -- that isn't reliably sourced
Is it true that the
Tōgō Shrine flea market in Tokyo has been discontinued in 2010 (info added to the article by an ip)? If yes, what was the reason?
bamse (
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19:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't find any reliable accounts of it closing. It's not on the Japanese version of the article. Unless any sources can be given to back up the claim, I'd say it's just hearsay. —
HelloAnnyong(say whaaat?!)19:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
After provisionally linking from
my new article
Katsuhito Nakazato to nagaya, I clicked on the latter and found myself in an article about some very old geezer who'd been a member of the Imperial family of the best birth and who was forced to die because of unreasonable reasons. (Most alarmingly: In 1988, the former site of Nagaya's residence was discovered with many wooden tablets and historic relics on the construction site of a Sogo department store. Sogo did not care and continued construction. Twelve years after the department store's completion, Sogo went bankrupt [unsourced]. Damn!) All in all your typical en:WP Japanese bio, although it fails to tell us which blood group he had and which commercials he appeared in.
I'd been naively expecting an article on plain old
長屋. But I think that the only reference to these in en:WP is
here in "Housing in Japan". This tells us: In premodern Japan, commoners typically lived either in free-standing houses, now known as minka, or, predominantly in cities, in machiya (町屋) or row-houses called nagaya (長屋). Examples are still visible in Kyoto. It doesn't start to explain what these "row-houses" are, and the impression it gives of their belonging to the past and tourist spots hardly squares with the book I have in front of me now, Nakazato and Nakano's 長屋迷路, a collection of photographs taken in Mukōjima and elsewhere in
Sumida-ku less than a decade ago.
Please help! For the "content" column in
List of National Treasures of Japan (ancient documents), I am struggling with the translation of some Japanese texts related to three ancient documents. The documents and some links are:
Thanks. As for 1., who was dismissed and why? If I am not mistake, the
link says something about an elderly head priest and "unsuitable" (for health reasons?), but I don't manage to make sense of the parts of that sentence. By "source required" in "3" I meant any kind of source speaking about the content of that document.
bamse (
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08:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
A dispute has arisen on this article about whether including an illustration is appropiate. Project members are invited to visit the
talk page to contribute to the debate. Caveat for project members - this article is about a sexual activity.
Exxolon (
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12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce that the article
Akira Kurosawa, formerly a B-class article (rated as of Top Importance by Wikiproject:Japan), has recently been nominated by me as a Featured Article. It would be appreciated if participants in Wikiproject:Japan would go to the
Featured article candidates page and have a look.
Thanks, Nihonjoe. I find it odd that nobody wrote anything on narutomaki despite the popularity of ramen and the Naruto franchise. It seems that we need to work on many food and drink articles. --
Shinkansen Fan (
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12:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
The article
Myouyama seems to be named wrong, provided sources (in talk page) give different names, and user wrote "canji" seeming to indicate a weak grasp on romanizing words. Maybe it is OK, but I thought I would put it here for someone to check. Cheers,
Nesnad (
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15:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay, a bit more. The article links to
this topographical map. I've lined it up more or less on
Google Maps.
This is a review of a place nearby and says "鉄砲木ノ頭 てっぽうぎのあたま (明神山)". So maybe it's supposed to be called Myōjinsan? (I'm also starting to question the notability of this article: a grassy area on a mountain that's referenced by unreliable sources?) —
HelloAnnyong(say whaaat?!)16:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
The
Mount Fuji article used to have a big problem with tourist activity spam (paragliding, etc.). I suspect this article is just an outgrowth of that, rather than a location that's notable in its own right. Good luck getting any location article deleted, though. —
Gavia immer (
talk)17:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Japan Go Association
I was wondering about how to translate Nihon Ki-in. It appears to have been translated into English as Japan Go Assocation, which sounds peculiar. I would expect Japanese Go Assocation to be used. However, I have also seen it said that Japan Go Institute is the correct literal translation. Does anyone have any opinions on this?--
ZincBelief (
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11:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Women in Japan
The page
Women in Japan is in need of expert attention. It cites few sources, and has been tagged as an essay and possibly original research. Five potential sources are listed, but with no footnotes or in-text references.
Cnilep (
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15:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
It appears to be a rip from
http://countrystudies.us/japan/73.htm. Apparently the articles on that site are cited to Ronald E. Dolan and Robert L. Worden, editors. Japan: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1994. It looks like you can also access it from
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/jptoc.html and go to 'Gender Stratification and the Lives of Women' at the bottom. (You can't bookmark it; something about temporary locations.) What I'm not sure about is whether it's copyvio or plagiarism; either way it doesn't belong. —
HelloAnnyong(say whaaat?!)15:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Nope, it's a work of the US federal government (Library of Congress) and thus in the public domain. The Country Studies copyright claim is bogus.
Jpatokal (
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00:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
This previously PRODded article on Japanese actor
Toshiya Fuji is about to be nominated for AfD due to lack of sources. On the face of it ("He appeared as Gaku Hoshikawa (or Five Red) in the Japanese tokusatsu television series Chikyuu Sentai Fiveman between 1990 and 1991."), he might just meet the criteria for
WP:ENT but several editors have tried, and failed, to find any reliable third party sources for the text. IMDB and TV.com seem to be the only sources we can find (which is not enough). More detail on the
article talk page. I'm posting here in case anyone in this project might like to take an interest.--
Plad2 (
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06:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to bother again. For
List of National Treasures of Japan (writings), I'd like to know what keiringe, nangakuge (渓林偈、南獄偈) are about. The official museum's page is unfortunately in flash and a bit hard to read for me. Hope that somebody can help. To get there: start
here, then click on "禅" (right of the three menus), then on "大燈国師墨蹟 渓林偈、南獄偈". The explanation should appear on the left side of the screen. I don't need a precise translation. Thanks in advance.
bamse (
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09:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
What is the reading for 与宗悟大姉法語? It is the last entry in
this table, i.e., a sermon by Shūhō Myōchō (宗峰妙超) from 1330 and located at
Daisen-in, Kyoto. The last part is most likely hōgo/sermon, but I can't make sense of 与宗悟大姉.
bamse (
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15:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure how the whole words read in Japanese. However its meaning is "Sermon for Sōgo Taishi"
[5] or "Sermon dedicated to Sōgo Taishi" 与(yo, for or dedicated to) 宗悟大姉(Sōgo taishi) 法語(hōgo, sermon). Taishi (literally Great sister)is a honorific title for nuns. ――
Phoenix7777 (
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10:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi! While the "Featured content candidates" on the
WP:JP page appear to be automatically generated and up to date, those in the template (such as
this) seem to be outdated. Is this a known problem?
bamse (
talk)
23:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Redirect is a resolution. However, the titile seems one Wikipedians coined word, so the redirect title is inappropriate.--
Bukubku (
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00:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh dear Nothingness. What you have there is either someone thoroughly arrogant and blissfully unaware of their own brusqueness or you are being trolled. I might comment when (if...) I make my way through all the comments, if I have something meaningful to add. I do want to express my commiserations to you for having to deal with people who think saying stuff like "I read Japanese children's books, and I have Japanese friends, so there!" is real impressive.
TomorrowTime (
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12:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I have to confess that I haven't even read most of the talk page... simply sourcing the sensible bits and flagging anything dubious directly in the article is probably the best way forward.
Jpatokal (
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12:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The VAIBS guy is back
Remember the
VAIBS article? It appears that particular editor is
back, and another of his articles is facing imminent deletion
here. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, in case some of you hadn't noticed.
TomorrowTime (
talk)
13:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The article
Sea of Japan naming dispute has been under full protection for about 1 month due to an edit war that occurred in August. Discussion on the talk page stalled at the end of August, and there are not many active participants on that page. Since that time, I have been working on a wholly new draft to fix, as best as I could, many of the numerous problems on the article. Since this article falls within the purview of this Wikiproject, I am inviting members to come participate in the discussion on the talk page at
Sea of Japan naming dispute#Major overhaul, which explains the current articles deficiencies (poor sources, disorganized, etc.) and what I have done to fix them. In that section you will find a link to the draft version in my user space. While this article and its subject are clearly a contentious matter, I sincerely believe that we can create a useful and NPOV article about the subject through the careful involvement of more editors. Thank you for any help you can provide.
Qwyrxian (
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10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)