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I've just created the
Shiina Ringo discography page, but I need help getting the songs'/albums' kanji/kana names, as I am but a novice when it comes to this. The 2½ albums that are already done were done a long time ago by someone who doesn't seem to be coming back and I would greatly appreciate any help in finally getting this done. Thanks. MightyMoose22>
Abort,Retry,Fail?_12:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Question, can we not only scale this image down but perhaps make it a jpeg file? IMHO, while this is a good quality scan, I think it is too big for it to be fair use and also should not be a PNG image (which should be used for raster graphics).
User:Zscout370(Return Fire)19:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
JPEGs are raster graphics, too, so I don't really see how that would make a difference. I believe the file being used is the exact file as found on the source site. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe17:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
In my view, this should be further subdivided a little in order to reflect the dramatic changes that have occurred in the Prime Minister's power, from Itō through to Tojo and up to the present day. The problem is, I don't quite know how to subdivide it. We could do it by Imperial Era, but that would encompass both military dictators and democratic leaders during the Shōwa period, which obviously saw the greatest changes. We could do it by Constitution–Meiji and the current one–though we would have to note that Itō served his first term before the Meiji Constitution was promulgated. Personally, I'm partial to this solution. But there might be others, ot we could just leave it alone. What say you?
Biruitorul03:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Me too! Man, the fact that this is something that can actively be debated over astounds me. The level of some peoples knowledge is really impressive!
MightyAtom23:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Sea of Japan naming dispute
Hi. This is
Wikimachine, and I am not part of the WikiProject. But I have been working on
Sea of Japan naming dispute, and I saw that the article was rated as 'start'. I have various reasons to believe that the article does not deserve 'start', and that the grading was biased to a point. The article is probably one of the most developed articles, striving for neutrality on such a controversial issue. There are 3 archives full of discussions, conflicts, votes, and consensus. Please reconsider your grading for the article. Status quo does no justice to those who spent countless amount of hours to work on the article. (
Wikimachine04:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC))
I agree! It is definitely not start class! I raised its ranking up to B, although it can probably be put through a formal Good Article review.
MightyAtom04:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by "status quo does no justice" as a Start rating is hardly "status quo". Regardless of that, however, article ratings are free to be changed by any member of the project if that member thinks the article doesn't fit into the criteria for the given class. Thanks for taking care of that, MightyAtom. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe05:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of the meaning of "status quo", but that's not what I was questioning. I wrote, "I'm not sure what you mean by 'status quo does no justice' as a Start rating is hardly 'status quo'." There's a big difference. Either way, it's been handled. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe05:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've recently created this infobox for use in the articles about Japanese professional baseball teams. All the information is already on all the pages in non-infobox form, but I thought this would be a bit more organized. The box is currently featured on the
Orix Buffaloes page for testing. If everyone likes it, we can go ahead and apply it to each teams page.
El Cid05:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I've started some work on local and prefectural elections in Japan, as can be seen in
Category:Elections in Japan. But there seems to be very few sources on the net, does anyone here know good places to find information? --
Jonte--16:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
hi, "選挙管理委員会 (Senkyo Kanri Iinkai)" category in Y!Japan
[1] lists 44 prefectual election administration commitees out of 47. Most of those sites have the original data of recent election results.
Masao01:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Bishōjo game is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found
here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.
Sandy00:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
As these are links to related topics (as indicated by the column/section header under which they are found), I don't see why it matters if they are there. Fan fiction is very closely related to Japan as the general popularity of it was greatly magnified by the very large number of anime and manga fans who participate. Yes, there are fan fictions written outside of the anime and manga setting, but do a search for it in any search engine and the vast majority will be related to anime and manga. As for the Theme songs WikiProject, again I ask, "Why does it matter if the link is there?" It's meant to point people to a related project (as all anime, and even some manga, have theme songs). ···
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TalktoNihonjoe20:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, someone could add them. But why do you even care what links are on the project page of a project in which you aren't actively participating? Please note that this question is asked sincerely, without any ill will or intent. If you don't want to list yourself as a participant of a particular project, why does it matter to you what that project decides to link to on that project's page? ···
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TalktoNihonjoe21:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to search through the history of the page to see who added them (who knows? it may have been me). I think the Theme song project may be pushing things as far as "related" projects go, but the fan fiction link is definitely related. And both of them may actually be more appropriate for placement somewhere on the Anime and manga project page. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe21:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I've already listed this on the front page of the Project, but I'd like to place it in talk for better visibility.
I think it is about time we begin to really crack-down on having articles contain properly macronned spellings, both within the text and in titles. (all according to
WP:MOS-JA, as decided some time ago).
I have begun to make moves and changes on my own, but this is a massive project, and I think we're really going to need a lot of people to chip in to make this work. Please, if you have any spare time & energy, search through articles for things that ought to be macronned (e.g. Hojo clan --> Hōjō clan) and change them. Move articles to their proper places, and the non-macronned redirects will be made automatically. Just remember that certain very common words (daimyo, Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto) do NOT take macrons according to our Manual of Style.
Depends on your OS. The easiest way, though, is to use the Insert box found below every Editing box on Wikipedia. Just add a reply to this, and look down below the "Save page", "Show preview" and "Show changes" buttons. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe00:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I just have a quick question. I recently started creating a few entries on the topic of
Saiō (and had a few hick-ups that are now sorted) as it directly relates to the town I live in and is an important but little know aspect of Japanese history. The region relevant to the article is called, using macrons, "Saikũ" (斎宮). The problem I have is that within the region of Saikũ, at the Saikũ Museum, on prefectural train station maps and all other references to the name here within the area it is spelt "Saiku". And "Saiõ" (斎王) is always referred to as either "Saio" or "Saioh". Should I stick to the macrons or should I use the romanised form that is actually used in the region? The guidelines say "names should be romanized according to common usage". I originally didn't use macrons in the names, but they were changed by someone doing an edit. Would like to know what to follow in this case in the future. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Ka-ru (
talk •
contribs) .
The purpose of a manual of style is to standardize the way of writing things. In any country, including Japan, people can write things in foreign symbols inconsistently from city to city, organization to organization, person to person. Wikipedia should make things consistent. We've decided to use the macron, not the "oh" or tilde or other form. So it's Wikipedia's style to change all these to vowels with macrons. The exception is words that are in authoritative print dictionaries such as the Oxford English Dictionary ("OED") or "Webster's Third New International Dictionary" published by Merriam-Webster ("M-W"). So, we write Tokyo, shogun, judo (to give a few examples) without macrons.
The articles were created without macrons, and editors are gradually renaming them with macrons as they find the time and motivation. Oita is probably not as well known as Tokyo and Osaka are, so unless it meets the criteria in the Manual of Style, it would be correct to rename the articles Hita, Ōita and Ōita Prefecture.
Fg210:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I just spent the last couple of hours trawling through all the villages, towns, districts and cities of
Ōita, changing Oita to Ōita and correcting the double redirects. Of course I found a few other names which had to be macronised too. God bless
Ōno,
Ōyama,
Ōta and
Bungo-ōno!! I've not corrected the in-article references yet - I think that would take me a week! Is there any kind of program or editor that would make these kinds of repetitive changes easier?? PS. Yes, 分 is pronounced "いた". Do you reckon 大分="big minute"? Hmmm
Bobo1234512:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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I'm currently in a stalemate with a couple of editors (one of whom has made no other edits at all) about the use of transliteration.
The reason is that there is an album whose title I listed as kanji & kana -> transliteration -> translation, but because the official title is the kana/translation, the other editors refuse to admit that the translit of the kanji exists.
I feel all three should be listed, and as long as the kanji is there it should be transliterated. What do you guys think? Is there an "official" guideline on this? Please help me get this sorted one way or the other. MightyMoose22>
Abort,Retry,Fail?_06:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I take it you are talking about the
Shiina Ringo album (大人)アダルト? As far as I can tell, the correct interpretation of this would be "Adult," not "Otona" even though the
kanji 大人 has been used. In Japanese writing, especially in
manga, kanji are written to show the meaning, although the
furigana is given in
katakana. This happens with names, and expressions, but the furigana version would be the correct translation.
That's the one. I'm not questioning the translation, or that it is the official title, but I don't think the kanji should just be ignored so easily, especially when we favour the kanji translit
Tokyo Jihen over the "official translation" Tokyo Incidents, as is written on every one of their releases.
Well, considering the album is listed as "大人(アダルト)" on their official site, the WP page has it listed correctly. It's very common to list the pronunciation in parentheses on the web in place of furigana. "Adult" is the correct transliteration since we generally use the English word for any katakana here on Wikipedia when listing titles. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe17:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Hiroshige
Hello everyone,
Today, I received the following comment on my user talk page. It refers to my removing "Andro" from the introduction to the article on
Hiroshige.
"Andro" is a glaring occidental error, but the fact remains that it had an established presence in print for about a century, and you know it. Thus, Wikipedia's duty is to report on it and label it as erroneous, NOT to censor and delete it as you've repeatedly been doing.
Decent people looking up "Andro Hiroshige" after a book should be able to find this article. Your elitist revisionism would deny them access to this article on the ground that they bought a book using an erroneous romanization.
Filthy revisionists like you would delete "
Peking" and "
Mao Tse-Tung" from the encyclopedia if they had a chance. You disgusts me to no end.
The editor who left this note tells me that I know about the established presence of this name in print, but I confess I know less than he or she gives me credit for. Can anyone help Wikipedia by contributing a reference for this?
I have never heard of "Andro" being is use either. If they user can site a reference that uses that romanization, then it should be included otherwise, it should be left out. I left comments on the discussion page to that effect.
MightyAtom07:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted it for now. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but I find no evidence of the "Andro" spelling. Can anybody produce any proof that it's ever been spelled "Andro Hiroshige"? If there's no proof, the "Andro" spelling makes a mockery out of the
WP:MOS-JA rules, and is also "unencyclopedic".--
Endroit07:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hiroshige: One Hundred Famous Views of Edo, paperback, 1986. D. Smith II; Poster, G Amy; Lehman, L. Arnold. Publisher: George Braziller Inc, plates from the
Brooklyn Museum.
ISBN0-87273-141-3
He also said "See Introduction of D. Smith II; 1986".
However, I'm not convinced that an error in a single book allows us to include it in the article. Perhaps if he found 3 books.... Please discuss.--
Endroit17:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Wrong ISBN apparently. I am having trouble finding the book with this ISBN number. Can somebody help validate the authenticity of this book?--
Endroit17:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I may have messed up the original reference; B&N
gives the ISBN as 0807611433, but I think I may have bought a second edition of that book which isn't given on their site (and the Brooklyn Museum seems to have stopped selling it... good thing I bought a copy when I did!) --
Gwern (contribs)18:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is most surely an error; as I'm sure you're all well aware. Must've been a typo for Andō. I don't think we need a redirect, and there surely does not need to be anything on the article space. If someone is erroneously looking for "Andro Hiroshige", they will almost undoubtedly then try simply "Hiroshige", and they'll get there.
LordAmeth22:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Suikinkutsu
The article
Suikinkutsu is up for GA re-review due to having no inline citations. Interested editors are encouraged to go help out the article so it doesn't lose its GA rating. ···
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TalktoNihonjoe04:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I was looking for help on placing a template to an article (
Hiroyuki Agawa needs a {{Nihongo| and check for a possible ja: article) I wrote, namely to have someone (able to write kanjis etc.) check the article, but there are currently none mentioned. Are there such templates (expert-Japan, wfy-Japan?) for Japan-related articles and could they be listed here (WP:JAPAN)? Best,
feydey09:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)