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I've discovered that Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors (the first anime film) seems to be public domain due to
a court ruling stating that all pre-1953 Japanese films are public domain. This is good news for our project, which always has a hard time with having hardly any free use images. I can't find the full film anywhere (though if anyone else can find it, that'd be great), but we can at least use screenshots of
the YouTube video for various purposes.--
SeizureDog01:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I know, but since the wording of the article specially only said "movies" I was a tad uncomfortable in making the jump to include "short films" since there was no link for the details on the decision.--
SeizureDog04:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, if the ruling said "films" (it would have been nice for them to include a link to the ruling), then it would apply. Anyone have a link to the Japanese ruling? ···
日本穣? ·
Talk to Nihonjoe04:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Tsukikage Ran
I know this might be silly to many of you, but we have a disagreement over at Tsukikage Ran. Here is why.
[1].
My edits have been reverted a couple of times. I've been accused of vandalism. While my version is shorter, it's so because the prose is tighter. No worthwhile information is lost. I've also added some external links (while removing two, I admit, I don't consider that important).
While your version does seem to get rid of all the crufty details, you're shortening an article that is already short to begin with. In this case, unless you plan on adding to the article yourself, you might just want to let the cruft build up a while before you start hacking it down.--
SeizureDog18:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The "crufty details" were added today, after I posted my concern here. An example of my edits was changing
Ran Tsukikage is a female wandering ronin whose skill with the katana is only matched by her craving for sake. All we know about Ran's past (as revealed in Ep. 13) is that she was trained in the way of the sword by a samurai named Junzaburo Shiina who also gave her her first taste of sake. She often goes "wherever the wind takes her". Ran tends to describe herself as a "beautiful woman" who, when faced with a foe or foes, can be unbeatable. However, Ran is often broke (as many ronin usually are), and Meow pays for her food and sake. Ran tends to say "Utterly inexescusable!" when upset or annoyed. (113 words) to
Ran Tsukikage (月影蘭, Tsukikage Ran) is a ronin who goes "wherever the wind takes her". Ran's skill with the sword makes her nigh unbeatable, but it does not make her life any easier. She is often broke and borrowing money for food and sake. (45 words).
It's not making the article smaller, but phrasing things in a concise manner (and removing lines like "All we know about...").--
Nohansen19:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I personally like your edit, but you could throw in the information about Junzaburo Shiina. He's right about cutting some important points out, but I think it was low of him to delete your plot and production section just because it was "short".
Toothpyx07:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Anything that's copied must be removed per
WP:CP, no discussion necessary. When I find some time I'll do it. And if you can rewrite it so it doesn't violate WP:CP anymore, by all means go ahead. I've also made this comment on the article's talk page btw, in case any discussion continues there.
Ninja neko06:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
We should work together to get articles in sections that of our scope that have nothing to use as examples to good article status. By which I mean we should get an article on, for example, a mangaka to good article status so that in working on other mangaka articles people have something to compare to. It's hard to work on such articles when the expected structure and form is unknown. I think our first goals should be to have a
mangaka and a
voice actor/
seiyū article as those are two types of articles of which we have a lot of and are confusing to know which layout to use. Any suggestions on people that would have plenty of information out there to gather into an article and that are well known enough for most of our members to help out on? I suggest
Clamp (manga artists) and
Wendee Lee.--
SeizureDog02:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest that instead of using an American VA, use a well-known Japanese seiyū like
Megumi Hayashibara, who has been around for a long time and has been in literally a ton of anime/games/drama CDs. As for the mangaka,
Rumiko Takahashi comes to mind as very famous, but the God of Manga,
Osamu Tezuka, is probably a more obvious choice.--十八03:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
While Tezuka certainly deserves GA status, a modern author would be a more typical answer. By his very nature, any decent coverage of Tezuka would have sections beyond the scope of mangaka whose long term influence has yet to be seen.
Doceirias03:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I specifically did not suggest Tezuka due to him being too important of a person. The point of this collab is to pick articles where making them GAs would be easy to accomplish. Also, I fear that Japanese seiyū may be harder to retrieve information on, but I may be wrong there.
Rumiko Takahashi however, seems like a good choice.--
SeizureDog03:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Unofficial games = fanfic?
Question: Wouldn't an "unofficial" game based on a franchise be a media equivalent of fanfic, and thus not something to be documented in an article? I'm looking at
List of Azumanga Daioh media#Unofficial and want to be certain of my grounds before deleting it outright. —
Quasirandom18:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
If it's a video game, it's quite a bit more involved than a fanfic (which could be whipped up within a couple hours in many cases). Yes, it's similar, but not similar enough to delete, IMHO. In some cases, the unofficial games are made by some of the same people who make the official games. ···
日本穣? ·
Talk to Nihonjoe23:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Turns out it used to exist but got deleted, does anyone know why? (reason given is "housekeeping". I couldn't find it in the cat deletion archive)
Ninja neko10:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What is this project's stance on character articles in regard to our fiction guidelines (
WP:WAF and
WP:FICT)? Those require pieces of fiction to assert themselves with real world information to exist as articles. While it may be difficult to obtain this information for some characters, most of them just don't have any. Would this be a helpful place to ask for comments when there are discussions or is there a general "all characters get articles" stance?
TTN21:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I should poke back at that again, shouldn't I. I started a new draft based on the most recent comments but got distracted. —
Quasirandom22:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
A general Wikipedia question I can't find an answer to elsewhere: What is the etiquette of prodding for a languishing peer review request? I know canvassing for AfD discussions is Bad Ton, but what about other administrative tasks like this? —
Quasirandom22:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
The purpose of a
Peer review is "to expose articles to closer scrutiny from a broader group of editors, and is intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a featured article candidate."
Since you mention AfD I rather this is not what you meant though (But if it was what you meant —
this tool is a great way to start, the other being to review the article for compliance to
good article and
featured article criteria).
The best would be to discuss any concerns on the talk page, discuss it with the appropriate wikiproject,
request feedback or add the appropriate
maintenance templates.
Quasirandom,
Here is a quick guide to canvassing (Note that "'Canvassing' is sending messages to multiple Wikipedians with the intent to influence a community discussion"; which I do not think you had in mind). G.A.S09:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
As Ned said. But the
Peer reviewer is a nice DIY solution, and happens to be a standard step in most peer reviews in any case. A lot of editors would also review articles on request. G.A.S09:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks guys. In that case, I'm bringing it to the appropriate wikiproject, here: I've had a
peer review request out there for two weeks with no attention aside from an automated review -- which was good on mechanicals but not so helpful on next-step stuff. Anyone up for helping me out here? —
Quasirandom15:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I still have to wonder about those two terms, and other terms like it. While I had spent a good 5 years in an anime forum, I had not encountered either of those terms up until last year -- while tracking Saimoe. Somehow, gotta be discreet regarding terminology involving groups of characters. As far as I know, such character groupings do not define
genre categories. Then again, here we have the character class:
Superhero. Once again, this out-of-universe factor will come into play.
KyuuA405:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Then you may have not been hanging around in the real otaku anime forums, like 4chan's /a/ or the like. These (well tsundere anyway) are established words used in the otaku community, and have a lot of notablility behind them in Japan. Yandere recently was given a page on the Japanese Wikipedia after having it merged with the tsundere article for who knows how long. The fact that the Japanese wanted to create a separate article means it's coming out of obscurity, and is slowly becoming a term likened to tsundere. Sort of like yaoi/yuri go together as a pair, tsundere/yandere are not far off from the same thing.--十八05:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, I'll admit. The one I've spent time on happens to be rather "liberal" when it comes to fandom, as plenty of discussion outside of animanga fandom is allowed, like current events. Plus, I've joined ANN's forum just last year. But anyways, we may have to consider a group of
character classes relevant to animanga; and here happens to be a
Anime and manga terminology listing.
KyuuA405:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Interesting to see her article considered for deletion. However, a quick look into her article made it obvious behind reasoning for deletion consideration. I have to ask: Is the lack of out-of-universe material starting to have a larger effect on fictional article purges? Particularly for animanga?
KyuuA405:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The AfD nom for Belldandy is one of the main contributors to these articles, and is trying to make a point. I wouldn't worry about it. --
Ned Scott05:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I too am surprised to see
User:White Cat of all users (him being the major contributor to those articles) finally end up nominating them for deletion. Wonder what made him change his mind about separate character articles (aside from perhaps a new found adhering to certain
WP:FICT guidelines).--十八05:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
White Cat (formerly Cool Cat) has a history of suddenly doing bizarre and unexplainable things. Only a month or two ago, he was hellbent on leaving Wikipedia (and not for the first time). ···
日本穣? ·
Talk to Nihonjoe06:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
<sarcasm>I propose renaming this wikiproject to WikiProject White Cat discussions.</sarcasm> --
Catchi? 10:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't get involved with this anymore than these few comments, but I'd speculate that these articles could even be kept independent. We're talking about main characters in a franchise that is 20 years old. There's got to be some sources generated in that time. --
Ned Scott06:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't play into Cat's game. He's nominating the lead characters in order to save the minor characters. There is no risk of deletion to save anything from. --
Ned Scott09:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
He's nominated all the characters and explicitly named only the main characters. Ned's right, this is an attempt to get a keep he can claim applies to all. We all know that the reasonable outcome here is for editors to bring the main characters up to par (which is possibly doable) and a merge of the minor characters (because they're minor and because there is little possibility that they can be brought up to snuff). --
Jack Merridew10:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I have no intention to play (into) that game... and yes I know... but a good dose of OOU information (per
WP:FICT) should settle that (and the merge) matter permanently. G.A.S10:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Gotonpo - Ninja Elemental Paths
Hi all. In the process of assessing articles for the project, I came across
Gotonpō, a stub which briefly describes five paths of ninja arts based on the classic elements. Though the article does explicitly admit that these are fantasy (fictional) constructions and not true historical arts used by real ninja, it does not provide any details as to which particular media make use of this concept, nor the more important detail of where this concept originated and which manga or anime series or other media source(s) actually make use of these specific terms.
Hello. Currently, two list of manga chapters,
List of Claymore chapters and
List of Naruto chapters (Part I) are up at
WP:FLC. Given that we've never had a list of manga chapters go to FLC or become a featured list at that, this is a new format to tackle as versus the dozen or so anime episode lists we currently have as FLs. At the nominations (
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Claymore chapters and
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Naruto chapters (Part I)), the primary concerns brought up was a need for the release dates of individual chapters. While I was able to acquire the volume dates while constructing the lists, acquiring each individual chapter date is something a little beyond me, namely finding a source that would provide this. That said, a possible format for incorporating this is also necessary. I would greatly appreciate aid with this, seeing as this could set a precedent as well as an example for future lists of the same type, especially considering that there are lots of them. Thanks in advance. Regards, Sephiroth BCR(
Converse)00:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I can't see why you would want such trivial information in a listing of the permanent edition, but each volume (in Japanese) does contain the issue numbers for the magazine it was serialized in. The location varies by publisher; sometimes on the front flap, sometimes on the copyright page at the back, but those issue numbers should allow you to figure out when it appeared. Alternatively, you could simply say "appeared in magazine name issues number-number" instead of giving dates.
Doceirias01:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
As it stands, the only thing wanted is from what time X to time Y that the chapters were shown. That said, how would a source be cited? If it is from the volumes itself, I don't possess the books in order to make an informed citation, and I'm not currently aware of any online source that would provide this. Also, on
List of Claymore chapters, a request has been made for a literal translation of the volume name to be included for the last few. As my knowledge of Japanese is practically nonexistent, could someone add this? Thanks. Sephiroth BCR(
Converse)04:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that. In any case, the only existing complaint is simply from what time X to time Y that the chapters were shown (in the Weekly and Monthly Shonen Jumps for Naruto and Claymore respectively). Given the lack of other comments, and the fact that this is the only existing problem, I don't see a problem in rectifying it instead of disputing it. If someone could find or add such a source, we can get these lists featured without much more fuss. Much appreciated. Sephiroth BCR(
Converse)00:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Magazine archive update
I updated the
Newtype USA topic pages so there are spaces for every issue that just need to be filled in. Anyone who has these issues is encouraged to fill them in. I also added information for two more issues while I was doing the update. (^_^) ···
日本穣? ·
Talk to Nihonjoe04:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I think mentioning its existence as a point of interest and to encourage cooperation/transwikiing is okay. We at
WP:SM occasionally collaborate with WikiMoon on a very small level, fact-checking with each other and so forth, and people might be interested in doing the same. Actually lobbying for your separate wiki and disrupting this one, of course, would be a bad idea. Just a subtle mention will probably do. --
Masamage♫20:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, he is listed (and has his own article) under his original name:
Hayao Kakizaki. I think merging Macross craracters' own articles with their Robotech counterparts could be a good idea. That way it would be more easy to find references with real-world information.
Kazu-kun06:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking the Macross character articles could also use merging into a single list as well, but merging both lists into one is also possible, since it would emphasize how much adaption was made. —
Quasirandom14:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. I suppose a "Robotech character" list will do, with subdivisions Macross, Southern Cross, and (don't remember the 3rd series). These Macross articles need some attention, especially when two articles describe one character:
Lisa Hayes and
Misa Hayase. Checking the history, activity has been minimal. Is discussion on merging even needed?
KyuuA418:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I would think discussion here, as a central location to work out a strategy, would suffice. Especially if you refer back here in the edit summary or talk pages. (BTW, don't forget to work on the navigation template, {{Robotech}}, which doesn't link to the Macross category.) —
Quasirandom20:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Category Structure
That's another thing to look at here. The categories. As expected, it's set up to have Macross and Robotech separate, as sub-trees, to a single "Macross and Robotech" category.
KyuuA418:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Wikipe-tan image considered for delisting from Featured Picture
As long as the name "Wikipe-tan" remains and the image doesn't get deleted, we can still work with the image.
KyuuA419:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
At the risk of someone yelling
WP:CANVASS at me, everyone should definitely go over there and comment to keep this bullshit delisting from happening. Users who have been watching over these images and related pages well know the common misconception about Wikipe-tan being a violation of
WP:SELF, which couldn't be further from the truth. Then there's the accusation that it holds no encyclopedic value, even though it's an excellent example of anime, moé, and a bunch of other stuff, and often the only free image we have for those articles. I can't help but feel this is an attack of the Wikipe-tan haters, and Wikipe-tan now needs your help. --
Ned Scott23:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
As for feature, might as well run through
WP:WIAFP again, as noted by
Jeff Dahl. While I found the initial "delisting" reason to be vague, confusing, and short, the criteria list is the best place to look.
KyuuA420:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to de-list her because some people have a misconception about the self-reference guideline, or fear that us big-bad anime fans are some kind of hive-mind. --
Ned Scott20:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
That's good. Once that's done then everything's set. For re-enlistment, hopefully everyone remains open-minded. On work and imagery alone, Wikipe-tan is very well thought out and deserves props to the artist. She meets Featured Criteria. Hopefully everyone votes based on her as a well-made work that already has public credit. Though voting does include personal opinion it shouldn't solely be the vote.
Fox81622:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Over the years, I've seen multiple mangaka mention PSME and Hiwatari as a strong, and sometimes the strongest, influence. It would be good to collect a list of these, for adding to the Reception section of
Please Save My Earth. If people were to note any they see on the
talk page, I'd appreciate it. —
Quasirandom20:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Help on External Wiki
Hi guys, I noticed some Dragonball AFDs today and started copying over huge amounts of anime articles to a new wiki I admin on
Fancruft.net I've copied thousands of articles but I'm looking for some anime project editors to help me port some of the wiki templates regularly used for anime / manga. Image uploads that match up to existing articles are also a huge help.
Torchwood knows I've already volunteered to help, but I thought I would mention to everyone that, in a situation such as this, admins are usually open to undeleting so that you can copy the article for another Wiki. Wikipedia's MediaWiki software never permanently deletes articles, just "hides" them from normal view, so retrieving them after a closed AFD is still an option. --
Ned Scott19:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Was randomly looking for some odd and end to do when I found the article needing copyedit notice in your project page. Took care of it, drop by and tell me how it turned out\if it still needs improvement. Thanks. --
84.90.46.11622:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC) (If you need to contact me, leave a message in my user page or talk page, whichever is fine, really)
It wasn't an edit war. A user removed a bit of the code thinking that it was placed there by accident (when actually that code, |}, is the only active thing about the template). Another two users did a test to see if the footer was the problem and decided it wasn't, and reverted it back to how it was with the code deleted. Then I came around and did the same thing, and realized what the problem was. So yeah, it was just a mistake.--十八03:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Japanese anime/manga usually use myths from the Japanese culture? I truly cannot think of any that use myths from China or any other Asian countries.--十八06:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Queen Serenity (pun on Selenity) is mostly based on
Selene, which is why the princess falls in love with
Endymion. SM is full full fuuuuull of Greek and Roman mythology, but it does also contain the
Four Heavenly Kings. If you want explicit Chinese mythology, there's always
Ranma 1/2, but I don't know how much of it is made up. --
Masamage♫ —Preceding
comment was added at
17:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe I'm somehow confounding the Chinese zodiac with Greco-Roman and Norse references. I don't know much of Ranma ½ so I can't speak for it. Anything else?
Lord Sesshomaru (
talk •
edits)
17:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)