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Another “doh!” facepalm, folks. How many more times will we have cases like this? Vileplume ( talk) 01:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
I was neutral on cash but with
Currency
4,
Banknote
4 and
Coin
4 (the two main modern forms of cash) all listed already, it weakens the case to also include cash.
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A regionally popular sport related to bowling that's, frankly, not all that popular. We have 4 bowling-related articles at his level, comprising almost 1% of the Everyday Life section. 11 interwikis.
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We should not list the history of country subdivisions at V4.
History of the United Kingdom
4 is enough.
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Although it is not yet at Level/5, addition of this should be obvious. See: https://www.nature.com/nature-index/annual-tables/2023/institution/academic/all/global ( — 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 08:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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One is a recognisable London landmark
, the other is a run-off-the-mill
box girder bridge.
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Currently these two pages are in Level 5. Both are high level methods for subdividing the discipline, and many of their subfields are significantly higher levels. Discussed on Level 3 and was suggested to bring it here. GeogSage ( ⚔Chat?⚔) 16:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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Mean
4 is level 4 vitality, no need to list its sample form at such high level. Covariance on the other hand is widely used to measure the relationship between two variables. The
Blue Rider
18:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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The process should be more important than the men who result from it.
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A website that is in the top 10 most visited websites in the world. It has an influence on the internet that is significant for this level. Interstellarity ( talk) 21:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Chromebooks are the only major operating system that we don't list. We list Windows, Mac, and Linux, but not this one. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
@ TonyTheTiger, Thi, OhnoitsvileplumeXD, and Aurangzebra: How are Chromebooks the least important compared to other operating systems? Interstellarity ( talk) 10:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Per @ Aszx5000 recent note in the level 3 discussion. The Rhine-Ruhr region stands as one of the pivotal centers in Europe. Germany has only one other region at level 4, despite being the most influential country in Europe and the most populous in the EU. Respublik ( talk) 14:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm skeptical if there exist a spot in the current quota to add Berlin at V3. It would require more places for cities. Respublik ( talk) 15:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Eisaku Satō was certainly an important politician for his time, as one of the longer-serving Japanese prime ministers and the signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but I'm not sure what distinguishes him so much that he is listed alongside Meiji, Hirohito, Tojo and Abe. On the other hand, his brother Nobusuke Kishi is vital to understanding modern Japanese politics: he ruled Manchukuo, for which he was nicknamed the "Monster of the Shōwa era"; he was a high-level member of the civil-military dictatorship, even helping to bring down Tojo's government; he was considered a class-A war criminal, but never tried by the United States, as they considered him the best man to rule Japan after the war; he founded the Liberal Democratic Party, which has governed Japan as its dominant party since the 1950s; he helped establish the Asian Development Bank; he played a central role in the post-war rehabilitation of convicted war criminals; he was the focus of mass protests against his rule in 1960; he was a key influence on Korean dictator Park Chung-hee; and he helped bring the Unification Church into the government. Kishi has had an undeniably enduring effect on Japanese (and East Asian) politics up until this very day, and I think he is certainly vital enough for level 4. -- Grnrchst ( talk) 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
We are currently under quota for
Biology and health sciences, and occupational therapy feels just as important as a health care profession as
Physical therapy
4 and
Radiation therapy
4, both of which are at V4.
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Polish literature compared with Jewish has 2x interwiki links, equal page views, and equal number of Nobel prize lauratates (3 each, one of who, Singer, is Polish-Jewish). IMHO comparable to for example Spanish literature or such we list. Another swap to consider would be Ancient Egyptian literature which is of historical significance only and unlike Ancient Greek, Roman or Chinese diud not produce any enduing classics (side note here: we list Ancient Greek literature; sadly, neither Ancient Roman literature nor Ancient Roman literature nor Ancient Chinese literature have articles - the latter is just a redirect; to what degree with this overlaps with Chinese classics (V5) I am not sure ATM). Chinese classics may merit V4 discussion too. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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The articles in question are:
It doesn’t make sense to me why the highest element we list is californium. I think this discussion is a good indicator of the vitality of elements with super high atomic numbers. I would be open to removing some elements starting from americium since the first ninety four elements are naturally occurring. Interstellarity ( talk) 18:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Synthetic element
4 is listed; note past discussions
here and
here.
J
947 ‡
edits
03:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Californium is the heaviest element with real-world applications so it's a reasonable place to stop. A case could maybe be made for Einsteinium as the heaviest element produced in visible quantities, but the remaining actinides are just too immaterial (figuratively and literally) to be "important". -- Marchantiophyta ( talk) 00:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Iraq
4 is only VA4, and
History of the Middle East
3 covers it decently well, plus there are a lot of other Middle East countries with their histories at VA4. I think that the history of a VA4 country should be at VA5.
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This single species has given rise to
Kale
4,
Cabbage
4,
Broccoli
4,
Kohlrabi
4,
Collard (plant)
4,
Gai lan
5,
Savoy cabbage
5, and
Brussels sprout
5 as long as less vital varieties which makes me think this should be VA4.
I have a related proposal to promote Brassicaceae to V4 by replacing a more obscure family. While B. oleracea is arguably the most important member, there are plenty of other important & vital species (Notably
Horseradish
4,
Arabidopsis thaliana
4,
Radish
4,
Rapeseed
4,
Rutabaga
4,
Eruca vesicaria
4, and
Turnip
4) in the family, so I think it's a stronger candidate. --
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Primary city of one of the largest agglomerations in the European Union. Vileplume ( talk) 01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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The largest country by GDP (#13 in the world) for which we do not list its history at V4. For reference, the next largest which we don't list is Switzerland (#20), which has a low population.
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It is the longest military conflict in the world, and its effects are felt in Southeast Asia.
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Not doing this to offend our community, but Wikipedia isn't that important compared to Twitter or Instagram which are both not listed. Considering that Wikimedia Foundation failed at level 5, it would make the most sense to demote this article to level 5. Interstellarity ( talk) 12:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Form of physical exercise done by humans and other animals.
Diyarbakır is the largest Kurdish-majority city in Turkey and a focal point for ethnic conflict.
There are larger Kurdish-plurality cities, such as Kirkuk. OhnoitsvileplumeXD ( talk) 15:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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The
Brassicaceae are a POWERHOUSE of a family, containing
Arabidopsis thaliana
4,
Bok choy
5,
Bomdong
5,
Broccoli
4,
Brussels sprout
5,
Cabbage
4,
Cauliflower
4,
Chinese cabbage
4,
Choy sum
5,
Collard (plant)
4,
Daikon
4,
Eruca vesicaria
4,
Gai lan
5,
Garden cress
5,
Horseradish
4,
Kale
4,
Kohlrabi
4,
Mustard plant
5,
Radish
4,
Rapeseed
4,
Rapini
5,
Rutabaga
4,
Savoy cabbage
5,
Turnip
4,
Wasabi
5, and
Watercress
5 (and hosting
Pieris brassicae
4). Members of the family are found almost everywhere on earth and fill a wide variety of niches.
The Melastomataceae are one of the larger plant families, notable for being… not all that notable? They're common in the tropics, diverse in form, contain a number of ornamental plants, and see some use in traditional medicine – but these are all true of many other plant families not at level 4. The lack of culturally/economically/culinarily significant members is surprising given the size of the group, and size alone is not a good measure of vitality (arguments for including the nth largest family are generally applicable to the n+1th largest, and the n+2th largest, and so on).
Just to clarify, my proposal is to demote Melastomataceae to level 5 and promote Brassicaceae to level 4. -- Marchantiophyta ( talk) 02:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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A daily activity for people in capitalist societies (read: most of the world).
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Capital and largest city of the Kurdistan Region, an ethnically and culturally distinct part of Iraq. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 ( talk) 02:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Iraq's size justifies listing a 4th city in addition to Baghdad, Mosul, and Basra, and Erbil stood out to me too as an omission when I checked over the list recently (certainly a notable city on a global scale). I've got a couple of qualms though. Firstly, it's not that big with a population of less than a million; Kirkuk is Iraq's 4th biggest city instead. Secondly, and more importantly, Erbil is right next door to Mosul, just 75 km between them. I'll probably support, but these are factors worth dwelling on. J 947 ‡ edits 21:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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This politician no doubt should be added, since he was the de facto supreme leader of the Ottoman Empire after 1914 (another man of the
Three Pashas,
Enver Pasha, is currently listed), and the main perpetrator of the
Armenian Genocide (which is currently listed), besides, he is considered the de-facto builder of Modern Turkey by
Hans-Lukas Kieser
[talaat 1].
Above a group of medical subjects was nominated as a batch because they had unanimously passed at Level 5 and it seems some of them are on their way to passing here. So here is another batch of unanimous level 5 passes. Since these took longer to achieve unanimous level 5 pass that may or may not indicate they are less vital. However, let's discuss the following.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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Zhejiang has a higher population and much larger economy than Guangxi.
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While she was once most notable as an incarcerated opposition leader (which she has become again funnily enough), I'd argue she is now more well-known as the first non-military head of government of Myanmar in decades (not to mention her position as a human rights darling being overshadowed by her actions in power). her father,
Aung San
4, never got to lead Burma as an independent country before he was assassinated so I think he still listed there but, Suu Kyi, no.
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Argentina
3 is VA3, and it has been quite important to the
History of South America
3. Arguably more important than
History of Peru
4 since
Peru
4 is only VA4, but the
Inca Empire
3 lets that article make it through, although an argument could be made for a swap with
History of the Incas
5, which is not even listed at VA5.
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A sovereign state whose existence stretched from the Crusades to the Cold War. Its kingdom was based on a blend of indigenous traditions,
an ancient form of Christianity, and governance by the
Solomonic Dynasty, which through the centuries included leaders such as
Amda Seyon I
4,
Zara Yaqob
4,
Tewodros II
4,
Yohannes IV
4,
Menelik II
4 and
Haile Selassie
4. A cornerstone for African history.
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We have 5 skiing articles at his level, and this does not seem specific enough. Only a modest fraction of the world's population has access to snow-covered landscapes. 6 interwikis.
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Diplomatics
5 (in Auxiliary historical sciences) is somewhat obscure.
History of spaceflight
4 (in History of transport) is of considerable interest in the 20th and 21st century. (
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Surprised this is not listed. We list Totalitarianism, but not this article since this is the opposite of Democracy. Interstellarity ( talk) 00:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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This is the most common computer in our daily lives. I am conisdering adding
Mobile device
4 since it covers things like tablets. Personal computer covers things like
Laptop
5 and
Desktop computer
5.
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Because he influenced
Sergei Witte, the
Young Turks (cf. Confiscation and Destruction: The Young Turk Seizure of Armenian Property),
Deng Xiaoping's post-Mao policies and recent policies in India, he was no doubt a vital economic nationalist.
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There seems to be some support for this addition, and it makes sense since it is one of the most popular social media platforms alongside
Facebook
4 and
Instagram
5.
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I know that the classical music scene has historically been very bad at recognizing music composed by non-white men, and there has been a growing number of people performing her music, but I feel like her vitality still heavily stems from her being one of the leading pianists in the Romantic era. Unlike
Sergei Rachmaninoff
4, who like her also mostly gave up on composing and spent the rest of his life being a performer, none of her works are listed as vital. Compare that to
Leonard Bernstein
4, who despite giving us
West Side Story
5 is rightfully listed under conductors.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, and VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is the only specific type of
Bread
3 listed at V4 and it is not apparent to me why this is that vital.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Society and social sciences is at 27 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is the earliest known scientific journal, but a minor one, V5 is appropriate, not V4. Compare to
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society
5, the second earliest known scientific journal.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Society and social sciences is at 27 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is a sparse article that I believe can be covered by
Military tactics
4,
Military strategy
4, and
War
2.
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With a result of 7-4,
Liqueur (not
Liquor) was the article closest to being removed out of the
multi-removal nomination of alcoholic beverages. Two opposers said that it would be better to open separate discussions. So here it is. The article is sparse and I believe this is niche for V4. We have 14 alcoholic drink articles at V4, time to cut it down. We're over quota by 21 articles.
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Covered already by
Child
3,
Boy
4 and
Girl
4. We're over quota in total V4 and V4 Everyday life.
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We always try to counter U.S. bias, but rarely Canadian bias. We have one V4 American city for every 12.6m inhabitants, yet one Canadian city for every 7.8m inhabitants. At V5, it’s one US city for every 2.37m inhabitants and one Canadian city for every 1.86m inhabitants. We’ve been removing many contemporary U.S. politicians since late 2023, and now it’s horrendously underrepresented in that area compared to other Anglophone countries. In country subdivisions, we list 8 U.S. states, 4 regions (and I’d consider swapping New England for the Northeast), and Silicon Valley. Then we have four Canadian provinces, and this one is the safest choice for removal. Alberta is far less vital than
Ohio
5,
Kantō region
5,
São Paulo (state)
5, etc imho. How is
Krasnodar Krai not even V5?
Vileplume (
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22:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
@ J947: Would you still support a swap with Edmonton today? I would strongly oppose; it’s only comparable to Oklahoma City and Louisville. Vileplume ( talk) 01:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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He was one of the most influential mathematicians of the 18th century, and made significant contributions to the development of
Calculus
3. He developed
Taylor's theorem
5 (one of the central elementary tools in mathematical analysis) and
Taylor series
4 (very important in calculus).
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84 iwikis. A piviotal event in the history of Eastern Europe and one of the causes of WWII. Suggested as possiibly V4 by
Kammerer55 recently in a V5 discussion. I concur. --
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Since this person was vital in the industrialization of the Russian Empire, he definitely should be added.
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Important state of life between Infancy and Childhood. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Fundamental concept of international law alongside
War crime
4. 70 interwikis and rated High-Importance by a lot of WikiProjects.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship .paint ( RUN) 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. We already list
Cue sports
4,
Snooker
4 and
Pool (cue sports)
4, 3 cue sports articles are more than enough at VA4.
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Vital 4 lists three specific, individual video game subjects. Video games are a fairly recent medium, so listing this few makes sense. Of those three,
Mario
5 and
Pokémon
4 are absolutely justified, being the face of video games and the highest grossing media franchise of all time respectively. What I don't think makes sense is listing
Tetris
4 at level 4. In my opinion, no individual video games are worthy of level 4 vitality just yet (no video games have reached levels of impact similar to some V4 films like
The Birth of a Nation
5), but if any did qualify, I'd say it'd be an industry-defining, culture-defining game along the lines of
Super Mario Bros.
5 or
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5. Don't get me wrong, Tetris is incredibly important... to video games. I simply do not feel that the game is worthy of V4, where unlike V5, basically every media or art related listing has to have been proven to shift not only its entire industry, but pop culture as a whole. Plus, we're over quota on Everyday life and V4 as a whole.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Geography is at 1 article over quota. As this article states, this is a sparsely populated area. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. It is not apparent, to me at least, what is so important about this genre of photography.
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Alfred Radcliffe-Brown
5 does not appear as important as similar listed. It's not like we need another British anthropologist anyway.
We had a lot of discussion on the level 5 talk pages regarding changes to the rules of proposals, but very little discussion on the other levels. I would like to point out some things I have found compared to other levels. Levels 1-4 state that discussions run for 15 days before being closed while level 5 says 14 days. I think we should enjoy consistency with all the levels. Should there be a minimum number of participants before closing? Maybe add a minimum discussion open time after last comment. Comment here. Interstellarity ( talk) 00:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion about this topic at VA5 pbp 22:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to let you all know that I made some modifications to the random article buttons. Firstly, I have changed them so that they include the levels above it like all level 4 articles include levels 1, 2, and 3 and added random articles to each category so you could do a random level 4 people article. I think in this way, we can easily find articles that could be added and that do not belong on the level easily. Check it out for yourself. Please let me know what you like about it and what can be improved. I always welcome constructive feedback. Interstellarity ( talk) 21:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Classic toy. More interwikis (if less daily views) than
Yo-yo
4 or
Frisbee
4 we list here. --
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Proposing for similar reasons in my proposal for iPhone and iOS above. Interstellarity ( talk) 23:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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We list the Industrial Revolution and Information Age which is the Third Industrial Revolution, but not this article. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Everyday life is at 23 articles over quota. This is a niche sport more suitable for V5, I believe. starship .paint ( RUN) 09:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Technology is at 44 articles over quota. This topic on a textile technique does not appear important enough at this level. The article is sparse.
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VA4 is at 21 articles over quota, VA4 Society and social sciences is at 27 articles over quota, so we've got to take action. This is a niche article more suitable for V5, I believe. Compare it to the 21 other articles in the same section link.
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09:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
It's a struggle to determine this concept's psychological importance while isolating its notability in popular culture. J 947 ‡ edits 05:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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One of the oldest journals, yes, but it stands in its category alongside
Science (journal)
4 and
Nature (journal)
4. This old journal simply is not prominent enough to warrant listing at this level. More appropriate for V5, and we are over quota for V4 in Society and social sciences. starship.paint 14:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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These two countries of the UK don't seem to have as much importance compared to England and Scotland. They could probably go. Interstellarity ( talk) 19:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Wales has a stronger case than Northern Ireland, but I oppose both. Wales has existed for almost 1000 years, has it's own people, history, culture and language. Although there are times where we list a city before its "subdivision" like Seattle before Washington. We list the capitals Cardiff and Belfast and in this case I think it would not make sense to list them without Wales and Northern Ireland, although I am not suggesting to remove those cities. We also list The Troubles aka Northern Ireland Conflict, a conflict regarding Northern Ireland that lasted around 30 years in the late 20th century, whilst the nation/division itself is over 100 years old, it would be odd to remove a nation but leave an article about an event from its history that is important but smaller in scope than the nation itself....We also list the UK possession of Gibraltar, which again I don't suggest to remove but seems less vital than Wales, and has little over 1% its population. Carl wev 06:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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In the Level 5 people pages, George Gershwin is under the Western art music section. And yeah, I think that's a more suitable place for him. I think the general consensus regarding him is that he is a classical composer who has a lot of jazz elements in his work.
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Since my recent nomination to try and remove
Tetris
4 failed, and I stopped agreeing with it myself after a while, I thought about the question of if any video games and/or franchises could meet the V4 criteria or not. While the pool is below ten, I think it narrowly is a yes. So I'm creating nominations for five standout games/series that had an undeniable impact on pop culture that goes well beyond video games alone, each having similar cultural consciousness to Tetris. I'm also prefering to propose franchises here, as for broadness. No swaps are being proposed here per similar reasons to why I didn't suggest any when nominating Toy Story, though anyone is free to suggest them.
One final note: I'm not saying all of these deserve to be added, but rather they are probably the best choices for V4, and I still maintain that
Tetris
4 should not be the only V4 game. If some (or even all) fail, whatever. Without further ado... λ
Negative
MP1
20:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
An extremely popular and important
Arcade game
4. In-fact, it's probably the most iconic and important one, possibly even more than
Pong
5. Hell, the titular character is more considered recognizable than
Mario
5. This game is easily on the same level as
Tetris
4.
I'm not really sure if this one needs any further explanation. This franchise arguably saved video games in the west and created a cultural icon we already list at V4
Mario
5. The franchise is absolutely important and is generally what people think of when they think of a "video game." In a way, Mario is video games.
Similar to Super Mario, but on an ever so slightly smaller scale. This franchise is home to some of the highest rated video games of all time,
including THE highest rated game of all time. It'd take more than one hand to count the times this franchise has changed video games and pop culture as a whole. Also,
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5 in particular I feel like could be considered the video game equivalent of
Citizen Kane
5.
An absolutely massive game that completely changed the way video games were percieved by the world. It shifted the ways people thought video games could be, and may as well be the whole reason why some people think video games cause violence ( an example). It is to this day still considered one of the most important games ever made. And for more video game based details, it popularized 3D games, changed the way video games were manufactured, and the ways multiplayer was viewed. And if this holds any weight, its the only game proposed here directly considered part of the Game canon.
Previously failed here.-- LaukkuTheGreit ( Talk• Contribs) 07:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
An infamous franchise that I'm sure most people are aware of that changed the gaming industry (and public views on what media could be) time after time again. Games like Grand Theft Auto are probably the second most common view by the general public of what video games are, behind Super Mario.
I'm also going to make it clear that I thought about this for a few days on what games were objectively the most important. Other ones that I considered but intentionally did not nominate include the following:
Final Fantasy
5,
Minecraft
5 (failed recently),
Pong
5 (previously removed),
Call of Duty
5, and
Space Invaders
5. λ
Negative
MP1
20:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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I don't really think this is going to be a controversial proposal, but I'm still going to state my reasoning. We list only one animated film at Level 4, which for as big of a scope
Animation
3 is, there is almost certainly room for a second example, especially one like this that basically began a type of animation. Toy Story is objectively one of the important feature animated films ever made, possibly comparable in influence to
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)
5. It pioneered a type of animation that will almost certainly never fall out of style, that being
Computer animation
5. It is also considered one of the best films of all time, and in my opinion, we can fit another film from under the Disney banner due to how influential the company is. In my opinion, this film is over-qualified for Level 4. I'd propose a swap, but Arts is technically under-quota and I don't believe I'm in the right place to propose a swap with something outside of that section due to my lack of knowledge on the influence of other subjects.
Am convinced that this is vital, second in animated films and more vital than the video games nominated below, but I'm pretty sure the latest V4 entry is
Star Wars
5. We might need a more general discussion.
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This was noted as a possible addition to VA4 when I proposed
LGBT history
5 at VA5 (because
LGBT history in the United States
5 was already listed but not that.. go figure), but since then I also noticed that
BDSM
4 was VA4 but not LGBT, which is much more socially significant as the general umbrella term for minority sexual orientations or gender identity. We do already list
Homosexuality
4,
Bisexuality
4 and others here but I don't think this is redundant due to its commonality and widespread usage in social discourse, and as a societally constructed grouping.
As the branch of Christianity with the most followers, it makes sense to include this. Interstellarity ( talk) 13:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)