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Hi, I noticed that majority of the articles pertaining to filipino musical groups that they have not been improved for a long time and they do not match the Wikipedia standards. Making changes in fixing the articles are much appreciated
Edraf (
talk)
13:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys, I think we need your opinions regarding the mass deletions for one-sentence articles in the Tagalog Wikipedia. The discussion can be reached
here. Thanks.--
Lenticel(
talk)12:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I am thinking of creating an article for the Tagalog Wikipedia about
sudoku, though not as a direct translation of the article, but more of context. I might even add local flavor by stating that the
Inquirer became one of the first newspapers in the Philippines to publish sudoku puzzles. Of course, I'll make it there as an anon since I'm not registered there. There's a problem on how to translate "3x3 grid". I just don't know a good term for "grid" in the first place. -
上村七美 (Nanami-chan) |
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Using traditional English to Tagalog translation (Tagalog first, then Spanish), a "3x3 grid" is translated as "tatlo sa tatlong tabla".
Starczamora (
talk)
16:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I was planning to post this on February, during the anniversary of the event but I'm nearing Wikibonked status right now. So before I go, I posted some refs on the
article's talk page. The refs might be useful for the analysis/aftermath part of the article, the only
ORish section of the article.
P.S. can someone find a source for the Marcos' finest Hour thing? The source I listed on the talk page doesn't look reliable to me. --
Lenticel(
talk)12:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I am aware of this. But I can't seem to find the name of the appointed governor(s) for Ilocos Norte. (Except for Ablan, Jr.)
Magalhães (
talk)
19:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
That does indeed seem to be a pattern. My Grandfather was appointed OIC Mayor of
Agoo, La Union, for example, but he is not usually listed among the mayors. I am not certain whether this is an official policy because they were not elected, or whether the elected officials generally just didn't like to acknowledge their term as legitimate.
Alternativity (
talk)
23:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
From what I know, they are de facto (by nature of their office) and de jure (by virtue of the appointment ordedr) considered as, say, mayors (or acting mayors). Their terms were supposed to be on a hold-over or transitionary capacity (somewhat a temporary designation) in order to keep the local government running while the new government was busy preparing for the upcoming local elections under the new constitution...which probably explains why not many people are aware of who these OICs are. But essentially, they should still be listed in the list of local officials, and probably with a parenthetical note that they held office under appointment (that's the way we had the mayors listed in
Meycauayan City; in fact, the OIC is recognized as an ex-mayor just like his predecessors). Otherwise, how can one explain the apparent gap in the leadership? ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
03:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
(resetting indent) Yeah, I find that odd, too. That would make him governor for 12 straight years, which isn't exactly allowed under the constitution. Someone else must have probably held the reins for at least three years somewhere along the way =P ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
05:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
You are right. He was a representative for Ilocos Norte at that time. I corrected this. So now I am looking for the names of the governors in two gaps ;)
Magalhães (
talk)
06:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Marcos was a congressman in 1992 representing the 2nd congressional district. Rodolfo Fariñas ran and won the first congressional seat in 1998. He was the governor of the said province from 95-98.
[1] --
Exec8 (
talk)
03:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
A girl needs help!
Dear Sir/Madam,
Good Afternoon. I'm edwin , currently live in laguna.
I just want to ask you if you can help this poor girl to look for
his lost father. I tried to seek the municipality but I failed to look for this
person. For me this is an Adventure, but for this poor girl, this can change
her life.
"Mr Eduardo Beredo De Guzman" is the name given to me, who
live in Batangas, Plus see below
: and i searching some contacs from Philippines because my father was from Batangas City he"s name"s Eduardo Beredo De Guzman
my father cousin is a doctor and have a clinic
my grantfather was a soldier or a policeman
and my grandfather name is Nicolas and my grandmother's name"s Maximina
and my father was born 13.07.1950
he was working in company SKANSKA
The area with semicolons are the only information sent to me by this poor
girl who now live in poland. It seems that the child will do anything just to
talk to his father even by phone.
may the lord bless us all in helping them to have the soonest father &
daughter talk.
God Bless,
edwin
any e-mail address of municipal hall will be a great help..
While I sympathize with the girl (I had to locate my own grandfather), please keep in mind that this is not a lost person board or genealogy board as Staczamora pointed out. In any case, try the directory at
Pinoy Search. I suggest making a posting at the
Philippine Genealogy Forum as well. --
Chris S. (
talk)
07:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
User:23prootie and I have been engaged in a discussion and it seems he can't even wait for a few minutes of replies. He keeps on reverting without consensus, and now I've run out of 3RR :o Can somebody have a third opinion on this or even just revert to the original version? --HowardtheDuck08:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The incumbent mayor of this most famous
marine town, which is not only bio-diverse, but the seafoods (
sea urchins) are more abundant here than in
Dagupan - is Mayor / Dr. Alfonso Celeste. I wonder why his bio has not yet been created. His wife,
UST classmate Dra./ Dona Maria Nieves Estrella Dazo Bordador Celeste, of Calvario,
Meycauayan,
Bulacan, might be a good candidate for Congresswoman for 2010.
Mystically though, when she came to Poblacion,
Bolinao and built her / family
mansion thereat, 2 mega
fish kills fatalistically occured and almost depleted the
Bangus Bolinao stocks. Now, if
witches,
wiccans or
spirit questors / white witches would be consulted especially Tony Perez of
Ateneo de Manila,
Bolinao's fate might had been affected by her mystic presence, or the
curse of the
dwarves. PROOF:
Susan Roces accused president
Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo of stealing the presidency not once but twice. Dra. Vez' mystic presence scientifically cannot be proven to have caused the 2 fish kills, which twice happened, during her regal reign as Bolinao
First Lady; but now, Mayor Al her husband is preparing a mega-suit in the
coal spill. Just wondering...
--
Florentino floro (
talk)
07:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
And for that matter, it isn't even
Rated K. (I was supposed to say "Verum Est", but it looks like it doesn't have an article of its own =P ) ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
08:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Hm. Point of clarification... are we therefore suggesting that the person is not 'notable', or are we simply saying that a particular approach to writing the article is undesirable?
Alternativity (
talk)
10:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
What there's no Verum Est but we got Zaido?! Anyways, the mystical angle can be used as long as it is sourced with RS and do not violate
WP:SYNTH. However it is more safe to assume a neutral bio rather than an unorthodox approach. --
Lenticel(
talk)11:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, we don't have fanboys for Verum Est. Anyway, as stated, a neutral bio (if provided with verified info) should be created.
Starczamora (
talk)
13:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I was alluding less to the notability issue (we can discuss that anyway; if the mayor is notable, he is notable as long as we can prove it), but more on the approach to the article, as hereby proposed. (Just to refresh your memories, Verum Est? was an ABS-CBN show that delved on paranormal events (although one can argue about its bias, as it didn't present any counterclaims to refute the paranormal claims). Considering that Verum Est? was categorized under News and Current Events, that is ironic.). Something about the dwendes and having to include them in the proposed article doesn't sit well with me...I mean, in an encyclopedia article such as WP?? How can we verify that?
Another thing that I'm not comfortable with is the connection between the mayor's wife and
Florentino floro; kailangan pa bang banggitin yung baranggay ng first lady as if to emphasize na, hoy, si ganito, taga-dito yan at dito pa sa baranggay na yan which, as one may later find out, is also the same barangay where Florentino floro comes from (I would have said
WP:COI, but I must admit that this might be a gray area). I may be wrong, but I'm a little uncomfortable about it.
Ina Raymundo's family may come from the same barangay where I live (her family actually lives in another block from where I go home), but I won't be the one to write that in the WP article. (Full disclosure: like Florentino floro, I also come from
Meycauayan, Bulacan.) ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
18:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, when I was riding
horses from Calvario,
Meycauayan, City,
Bulacan, towards Constantino subdivision,
Marilao from 1975-1983, I regularly saw, say, weekly, Tatang who coaches famous Meycauayan councilor
Lydia de Vega. But this First Lady of Bolinao who was born and domiciled at 228 Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan, temporarily transferred to her
mansion in
Poblacion, Bolinao. To those who are not
lawyers or
politicians here, the Celestes ruled not only
Bolinao but the district of
Pangasinan for
decades - Mayor Jesus Celeste, brother of incumbent Mayor/Dr. Alfonso "Al" Celeste; incumbent Cong. Arthur F. Celeste, etc. And what mystifies us and the
Bolinao people is that from the time she became its first lady, the town was
cursed, or there was a
mysticspell spilling all over the area from
fish kill (twice) and then this latest
catastrophe:
coal spill which - WHY DID IT happen in Bolinao when it is destined to or for
Sual?. Maybe SHE Should be venerated as a
goddess of
witches or maybe she is marked with
666 in the
Revelation. Just sayin with verifiable links. I do not want to write a bio or article on her; I do not want to make dirty my
mystichands. Regards. By the way, I will discuss hereunder the shocking miracles of
Fernando Suarez per GMA-Networks repeated many
videos. --- --
Florentino floro (
talk)
07:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Assessment Department Update (Jan 2008)
Shown to the right is the graph of article tagging for the
Assessment Department. There are still approximately 5,000 possibly Philippine-related articles that still need to be tagged. If you'd like to help out, please go to the
Worklist section to see a list of still unassessed articles. Let's try to clean this backlog. Thanks! From your self-appointed Assessment Department Secretary,
seav (
talk)
05:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
That's good. As long as we clear up the backlog. :-)
Hey guys, here's an inspiration. One long-term project that I envision using the assessment data is to create a Philippine encyclopedia. Imagine that we bring up all the Top-importance articles to at least
GA-class, collect them and add all the lead sections (see
WP:LEAD) of all the High-importance articles as well as the
core articles. Then have all of these translated to Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Kapampangan, Winaray, Ilonggo, Pangasinan, and Bicolano (in the process, beefing up their respective Wikipedias). We can then distribute these as encyclopedia sets to all public elementary and high schools in the Philippines. Now isn't doing that an educational legacy you can be proud of? :-) --
seav (
talk)
23:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Did you see the video of Jimmy Wales when the donation drive opened? An editor's vision was like yours. In right time, articles here in Wiki will be printed out and be disseminated to public schools. A very nice one! --
BritandBeyonce (
talk)
07:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Lenticel, for the purposes of tagging and bringing up the quality of the articles, a chapter is not needed. The chapter would be needed when we start collating the articles for distribution. But the first step for the chapter creation is talking again about the Articles of Incorporation and the By-laws over at Meta. --
seav (
talk)
14:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was talking about the distribution of Wiki to public schools. As for the tagging, improving, and legalese, yes we can do those online.--
Lenticel(
talk)22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a good development. I hope someone will do this in the Tagalog portal. This is a nicer gesture rather than finger pointing and witch hunting on users. --
Exec8 (
talk)
21:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone here inclined to economics? It'll be great if someone can cut down the Economy section since it's very long already. --HowardtheDuck06:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the history section is a lot easier to trim since everyone seems to know history... for the economy section, I dunno which paragraph/sentence to keep or remove. For the history section it seems you can't remove some sentences otherwise the "story" won't be completely understood. --HowardtheDuck03:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Public domain and seals again
Just a heads up -
Save Us 229 has been going around various Philippine geography-related articles and posting notices about images therein not having fair use rationales. Hopefully some of you guys could take care of this. I swear, that stupid public domain law... --
Chris S. (
talk)
03:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I think
Scorpion prinz has some information regarding the nature of LGUs seals in that they are only used by the LGUs for identification purposes. I'm not yet sure how that will fit with regards to third-party users, but I think that any use, and simply for identification, is fair use. --
seav (
talk)
14:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone create a bot that will paste the FU rationales on every RP seal? If we do it by hand it'll be cumbersome but we still have to abide with the rules. --HowardtheDuck15:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh i saw my name, anyway, in relation to LGU seals i quote the annotation to Section 22b (Corporate powers of local government units) of the Local Government Code of 1991, Power to have and use of corporate seal. – Use of corporate seals and change thereof requires registration with the
Department of Interior and Local Government¹. Registration of the seals with the
Department of Trade and Industry and the Intellectual Property Office IS NOT required because municipal corporations do not fall within the scope of the term "business" or "enterprise"². The chief purpose of a government seal has been to identify and authenticate documents.³
¹ Republic Act No. 7160, Sec. 22b (1991)
² Act No. 3883, Sec. 1 (1931), Republic Act No, 8293, Section 121.1 (1997) ³ 2 McQuillin, The Law of Municipal Corporations, § 6.01 (3rd ed.) Reference: Joseph Emmanuel L. Angeles, Restatement on the Law on Local Governments (Quezon City: Rex Printing Co. 2005), 65 ... HAPPY NEW YEAR! --
Scorpion prinz(
Talk |
contribs)13:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Guys somebody must make fair use rationales ASAP. The tagged images will be deleted soon. Let's patch up the tagged images first then we could discuss what to do en masse rational tagging. Should the user continue in tagging new images, maybe we could then invite him here--
Lenticel(
talk)08:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
If it is doable, can someone put the fair use tags already as the Phil. gov template isn't enough and time is running out fast. If you don't want to do it yourself then simply tell me what to do and what images are affected I'll patch it up myself.--
Lenticel(
talk)00:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a fair-use rationale in
Image:Ph_seal_biliran.png. Please use this as a "template" (but please don't make an actual Template, since it's not allowed for fair-use rationales). Just copy and paste into the seal images and replace the specific parts. I don't have a list of the seals tagged by Save Us 229 but looking through his
contributions would suffice. Alternatively, just go through all the provinces since these are the ones that really have the useful seals. --
seav (
talk)
02:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your template, seav. I spent like 2 hours doing this to almost all the provinces and certain cities (the ones in the tables with a seal), just so we could avoid future headaches. Now, I say almost because some provinces like Aurora and La Union were transferred to Wikimedia since they were mistakenly put as "free." Also, some were high resolution and will need to be resized. I'll leave someone else to do those.
I also did some municipalities, particularly for
Camarines Sur. A lot of the seals were deleted and I simply reinstated them and put fair use rationales in them. Other municipalities may need their seals to be undeleted or fair use rationales added. Um, also I reverted Save Us 229's edit in
Provinces of the Philippines and so that will need to be added to the fair use rationales I just did. argh!
While I was doing, I was thinking... Why isn't the Philippine flag subject to these rules? Or did I just open another can of worms..? hmm. ;-P --
Chris S. (
talk)
04:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that Chris has fixed the images. Since the emergency is out of the way, I think we should address Category:Works of the Philippines government. I think we can patch other fair use problems there via brute force. However, we could also run a script that would search for Philippine-related copyrighted images that has no fair use rationale so that we could fix/speedy del when appropriate just like the unassessed article lists.--
Lenticel(
talk)12:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been working on revisions to the entries of a few older Filipino actors such as
Panchito, and noticed that their filmographies tend to be quite long, probably because the Filipino film industry tended to be quite prolific from the 1930s up until the 1980s. Also, these filmographies tend to be copied from IMDB, which is not a terribly reliable source when it comes to Filipino films. Are there governing policies concerning the length of these filmographies (e.g., restricting the list to the most prominent films)? I couldn't find advice either at
WP:Philippines-MOS or at
WP:MOSFILM. Thanks in advance!
Anyo Niminus (
talk)
18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
These days,
GMA-7, per stunning
videos, dramatized the shocking miracles and millions of crowds that mobbed
Fernando Suarez. Even in
Jesus's times, Fr. Corsie Legaspi's, and upcomming Fr. Joey Faller of
Lucban,
Quezon, we never witnessed this mobbing and sights of millions to witness his healing. Just wanna share with you these: ONLY IN DA PHILIPPINES - (note that
CardinalGaudencio Rosales led his Montemaria mega-shrine opening with no less than my town
Meycauayan parish priest with 5,000 Meycuayanos having pilgrimage there to gather 5,000 healing stones. This must be Filipino Wiki's best. --- --
Florentino floro (
talk)
07:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was very skeptic when I first created the article. I even became more skeptic when after I made it, an Ottawa user or admin edited it, and informed me that that user never heard of Suarez in Canada where he claimed in tabloids, that he resurrected an 8 hour clinically dead Canadian. But when my maid told me about the
BandilaABS-CBN videos and news about how Suarez made the lame and stroke patients walk and the blind etc. I opened gma news video, and I was shocked. So, I just wanted to share Suarez' gifts and miracles including $ 220 million Montemaria to the world and filipinos. As a new or just one year user here, I cannot claim any right to have written the best articles here. In fact my articles are just on law and bios of notable jurists, inter alia. But
Fernando Suarez is now making WORLD HISTORY, since not even in the time of
Jesus, or in the times of great tele-evangelists even now worldwide, had we or I seen the mobbing by millions of a healer. This is just my point, I do not want to be misinterpreted to claim that my edits or articles are the best. In fact, I learn little by little and I want to learn more, since, I have no computer background just internet cafe coaching or teaching by desk officers. Regards. Peace of Christ. -- --
Florentino floro (
talk)
05:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Userboxes related to the 2010 Philippine elections
I have started the userboxes for the 2010 Philippine Presidential Elections. I was doing some of them (Bayani Fernando, Mar Roxas & Manny Villar) when
Kevin Ray Chua suggested that I should discuss the concerns related to the userboxes here or my edits are considered worthless. The page that contains my userboxes for the elections is
here. Please feel free to comment either here or on my talk page. (Its title in my signature is "TaLKBaCK".)
iaNLOPEZ1115TaLKBaCKVandalize itUBX09:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that you do not create the userboxes. I saw a lot of drama in WP:MFD regarding these stuff. Perhaps the Pinoy wikipedians will tolerate them but I don't know about the community as a whole.--
Lenticel(
talk)12:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Just create political party-related infoboxes (such as "This user is a member of the
PGMA fan club" instead of the "This user supports and urges you to vote for _____ since s/he's great, intelligent, hardworking .... (insert campaign paraphernalia here)" --HowardtheDuck04:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Howard, my proposed userboxes are for the upcoming 2010 Philippine elections. NOT for the Presidential elections in America (that will absolutely happen in November). Although that event is 2 years away, we need to prepare for it. Those userboxes are appropriate since I have gotten my inspiration from the userboxes showing its support for a certain US Presidential candidate. I don't want to get into a Wikipedia editing war, Philippine-style.
iaNLOPEZ1115TaLKBaCKVandalize itUBX03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC) (Postscript: I put up the Sun part of the Philippine flag in some of my userboxes because I can't find any free images of them on the net [And if i found some of them, they would probably delete it due to Fair Use and copyright issues.)
After snooping around. there are userboxes about the 2008 US election, so I guess local 2010 elections will be fine. I don't think it's that important, anyway. The 2010 election articles are important, but userboxes aren't. --HowardtheDuck03:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE: Yonatan restored the page with the following message.
I have restored it per your request (?) on my talk page. This has nothing to do with a systemic bias. It has to do with the fact that there's no mention of this Wikipedia in any third party sources, and that it doesn't seem notable. I was not aware it was monitored under the
WP:TAMBAY WikiProject, but if its notability isn't established I will nominate it for deletion.
Yonatantalk 05:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Then that would have deleted ALL article about different versions of Wikipedia, would it?
Starczamora (
talk) 05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Not really, I knew the German Wiki was supported by the government. He could've just went through the prod->AFD process instead of the CSD route, though. --HowardtheDuck05:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a problem, though. Most Filipino Wikipedians write in the English Wikipedia and most local media refer to English Wikipedia as well when sourcing Philippine-related articles.
Starczamora (
talk)
05:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should Afd the thing so as to have consensus on how to deal with these articles. i think we still need to follow WP:RS and WP:N even if it is close to us.--
Lenticel(
talk)12:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Txt from Wikiboy (Wpinas)
Anabels restaurant, Tomas morato 2mrw at 6 30 pm for the wikifilipino critic preview. Hope you guys can come.
I also got this text, but not from Wikiboy. They are planning to launch WikiFilipino and they have invited language experts, KWF, UP people, and Sangfil. They will be showing Wikifilipino and want to ask input about Filipino language mechanics. I want to come but schedule does not permit. It would be really, really nice if at least one of us here can attend, especially one of the readers or participants of the
recent debate. --
seav (
talk)
02:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't able to attend too. If there was no Wikipedian present there (I hope Nino was there), probably we can set our own meeting with KWF guys on our
next meet-up. --
Jojit (
talk)
05:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think any one of us was able to attend. We can invite KWF on one of our meet-ups, not necessarily the next one. --
seav (
talk)
05:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
(Indent reset) I do not like the fact though that WikiFilipino and Wikipedia have different "interface registers" (translations). That would need to be resolved. --
Sky Harbor13:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I could make a map for the Strong Republic Transit System.. but you you have any sources I could use for the future/proposed lines (other than the existing Yellow, Blue, and Purple)?
TheCoffee (
talk)
14:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
There's maps of all three existing MRT/LRT lines at the article on SRTS stations, and there's a
map of MRT-7 at the Universal MRT website. Take note that the line has no official color yet (I can't say it's the Red Line since there is no conclusive proof that it is taking the cudgels from the defunct MRT-4). The Orange (PNR Southrail from Tutuban to Buli) and Green (PNR Northrail from Tutuban to Caloocan) Lines should also be included. --
Sky Harbor09:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Consensus on "Actor" vs. "Actress"
While working over some entries on our local film stars, I've faced choices on whether to use "actor" or "actress" with respect to our female film performers. I strongly prefer "actor", which its own
wikipedia entry describes as "gender-neutral", as compared to "actress", which is specifically described as "non-neutral language" per
WP:GNL. However,
WP:MOS on gender-neutral language is couched only in advisory terms ("Please consider gender-neutral language where it can be done without loss of neatness and precision."), so there seems to be room in WP for using "actress". Many prominent Western stars are described as "actress" (
Julie Andrews,
Samantha Morton,
Dakota Fanning,
Marie Dressler), but a few are identified as "actors" (
Angelina Jolie,
Reese Witherspoon).
There are ways to avoid the debate, such as using "film comedian" in the case of comics such as
Dely Atay-Atayan, but there are no equivalent substitute terms in the case of dramatic actors. While I personally prefer "actor", and can justify the choice through
WP:GNL and
WP:MOS, I'd like to get some consensus first before proceeding full-speed, especially since in the Philippines, it doesn't appear very common to use "actor" in lieu of "actress". If there is a stronger consensus towards using "actress", then I'd be perfectly happy to use that. Thanks!
Anyo Niminus (
talk)
13:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
it's a silly debate and not worth edit warring over... make a change to actor and explain your reasons why... if the consensus of the page is to change it back then so be it. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to go "full-speed" and make the change everywhere 14:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Harlock jds (
talk •
contribs)
Howard mentioned that a while ago. Perhaps you could talk to him about that. Besides tl.wikipedia is too small to be subjected to parody :)--
Lenticel(
talk)05:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
How about you try your skills at the "en" Uncyclopedia before trying to build a tl version. I believe that you need skills in graphics as the best jokes are usually best conveyed with photoshop altered pictures. I know that American and British humor are very different from Tagalog but I think its better to learn the ropes there.--
Lenticel(
talk)12:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I dunno since the subject of the jokes will be Filipinos so I don't think it'll be that funny in a broader audience (think of Piolo Pascual's gayness, other nationalities won't be able to understand/get it). --HowardtheDuck13:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It's in Tagalog anyway, as if they'll understand it. I mean, Indonesia already has
Tolololpedia.
Starczamora (
talk) 13:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC) I've checked Uncyclopedia English and it's difficult to create a Philippine-related article because the admin think it's not funny, especially about the
Philippines itself (which was already deleted). But I swear, it WAS funny (Boom Tarat Tarat as a national anthem? Come on!)
Starczamora (
talk)
13:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention Filipinos would readily understand Tagalog jokes than English (you'd have to be really immersed in Western culture to understand the jokes). --HowardtheDuck13:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
No offense. The idea is great and everything BUT don't you all think THE MORE serious TL:Wikipedia deserves "more" attention/improvement/work out before we come up with this one?
†Bloodpack†04:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
As I've said before, my Tagalog isn't encyclopedia-material... although it is perhaps uncyclopedia-material. And tl.wiki is practically useless since the education system promotes English as the language of education. That's why other Philippine languages (esp. Cebuano) have better article counts is that because they use their own language in education. --HowardtheDuck04:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand. But what I'm just saying is having to take time to create "uncyclopedia-material" isn't really productive to The Tambayan, whether TL:WIKI or EN:WIKI, not that I'm a party pooper. Besides, baka tayo tayo lang makaintindi nung mga jokes nating gagawin and these jokes "to be" will not be globally understood..., just saying, but I'm ok with it
†Bloodpack†05:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, in the first place, the Tagalog Uncyclopedia will be for Tagalog speakers, and there aren't that many in the world... --HowardtheDuck06:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I love Cory's quote, hahaha... Anyway, the best objective I see in Tagalog Wikipedia is preserving and spreading the Tagalog language amidst the "Filipino invasion", not necessarily as a education tool. Meanwhile, the Philippine-related articles in Uncyclopedia are often accused of being "overtly Filipino" (which I understand because Americans won't get what's funny in our country anyway).
Starczamora (
talk)
14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm a user on uncyclopedia by the way. (the link is
here.) I'm trying to ask some (or one) of the sysops there to give the copy of the last edit about regarding the Philippines (for recovery and documentation purposes, of course. Then I'll ask a Pinoy sysop in Wikipedia to semi-protect the copy of that expired article. Hope it works. -
iaNLOPEZ1115TaLKBaCKVandalize itUBX09:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC) (Postscript: My userpage has some english profanities.)
Kuya Seav, I've been keeping this in my mind for months and now I want to ask and be answered. Hopefully, Wiki will be crowded with featured articles (well source and professionaly written). Could Wiki be easily exploited in terms of printing out this stuffs and make profit out of it? I mean, we have articles here helpful for students and might one day a greedy publisher will publish this all. Is that possible? --
BritandBeyonce (
talk)
06:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's possible and legal. And there's nothing wrong with that. The problem of the would be profiteer are two: 1) some other person can undercut the would-be profiteer with a much cheaper version and this results in competition that nobody can really profit from just a wholesale no-value-add product. (Now if the person added study guides, and other value-added stuff, then that's acceptable.) 2) He has to release his product under GFDL too and that gives the buyers immense benefit since they can sell copies of it themselves. So overall, there's no problem of exploitation. --
seav (
talk)
02:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
So, there's a great chance no one would really exploit the "effort" of the editors? Im not acting selfish here but just very concern with the effort. By the way, what about the multilple licenses? Like yours? Sorry to ask these stuffs in the project talk page. I know everybody could benifit out of this talk.--
BritandBeyonce (
talk)
12:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
It's also amusing to note that the article was written by what seems to be a Japanese Chinese history buff. And yeah, since it has a lot of sources, it seems notable and therefore undeletable.
Starczamora (
talk)
13:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the article can be balanced or at least have its facts counter-checked using Philippine history texts (Agoncillo, O.D. Corpuz, etc).
Anyo Niminus (
talk) 14:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC) -- oh joy, it does cite Philippine history texts (Scott, etc.)
Anyo Niminus (
talk)
14:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Folks, I may not be a true expert on this field yet, but I know enough to say at least a good number of the references used by the article are sound. It's the interpretation that's messed up. :-S
Alternativity (
talk)
18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
First, this Lusong referred to in the article did in fact, exist, and I have been looking for some time now for an article that would put all these references together. I did not write that article myself for two reasons: a) I don't have access to the foreign references, only the Filipino ones and b) I felt that the references were so disconnected from one another that any article about Lusong would have been
Original Research. But I'm saying I don't think the existence of the article is absurd at all.
Second, what I do find absurd is the characterization of Lusong as a breakaway/exiled Chinese empire. I'm not about to dismiss the theory, but that's the point: it's a theory. Only one of several possible interpretations. Saying outright that Lusong=Lesser Song Dynasty is about as frivolous as suggesting that the kingdom of
Shamballa was actually located in what is now
Zambales. The data might suggest it, if you look hard enough for an interpretation that favors yours, but it certainly doesn't support it.
The words "
empire" and "
kingdom" are very tricky here, as their application to the actual forms of government that existed in the locality at the time would be imprecise, and carry numerous connotations. I recommend that the data here be moved to a new article which uses neither term. Perhaps simply "Lusong" as
Bolkiah called it in 1500 (as distinguished from Luzon)?
What stops me from creating an article simply called "Lusong" is I'm not sure I shouldn't be calling it Tondo, Tundo, or Tundun, which is apparently what the
Laguna Copperplate Inscription (LCI) calls it.
Come to think of it, I'm not even sure there are enough data sources to suggest that
Bolkiah's Lusong of 1500 AD and the LCI's Tundun of 900 AD are the same entity.
Another thing that stops me is that I cannot read
Chinese.
The fact is, no local record of this kingdom other than the LCI exists, and the LCI is a very limited source. Sources exist, but they are either Chinese, Arabian,or from Brunei and thus do not show us how the people interpreted their own system of government.
In other words, sigh. I know enough to know someting's wrong with this article, and I know enough to know that it can't simply be dismissed. But I don't feel I know enough to be able to fix it.
Help? Anyone else here researching this era? (Signature above)
If some books I have read are correct, there was in fact an empire in Central Luzon. The very reason Manila became a Muslim kingdom was
Brunei established it as an outpost to check on the growth of that empire in Central Luzon which had begun dominating trade in the region, specially as it began to monopolize trade with China. I think there's a little consistency with what I read from that Luzon Empire. Though it is hardly verifiable since pre-Hispanic Philippines had very little or no written account of their history. It may also be a wild idea, but if anyone had ever noticed a lot of people from the
Pampanga-
Tarlac are are fair skinned and has almond-eyes more than any ethnic group in the Philippines. --
Scorpion prinz(
Talk |
contribs)19:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Could this be the missing kingdom of
Princess Urduja? Hehehe. Doesn't the National Historical Institute have any data on this nebulous organized community in Luzon pre-1500s? --
seav (
talk)
01:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
No, I think that Princess Urudja's Kingdom was in Pangasinan. Also, Pre-Hispanic Luzon is Muslim. While there are muslims in China, any breakaway empire created by Chinese in the Phillpine Islands would contain a large majority of
Confucians especially in the government. Also, why would Chinese Emperors adopt the title of Rajah? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
203.76.251.35 (
talk)
10:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Prehispanic Philippines Articles Need Work
What an incredible mess!
Luzon Empire isn't the only problem. Changes have also been made to
Tondo, and there are significant inconsistencies between
Lakandula and
Rajah Lakandula (I think the Lakandula article is absurd conjecture). I don't know where to start doing repair work to bring these articles into line with mainstream scholarship. Working on it, though. But I'm gonna need help. Any other volunteers?
Alternativity (
talk)
11:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I propose that the solution to the present problem is the creation of a
Ancient Tondo article, followed by a merge. I say this since the term
Luzon Empire is not supported by mainstream scholarship at all, while the term
Lusong seems to be supported by only one reference (
Bolkiah's attack in 1500). I object to the usage of the term Kingdom (Kingdom of Tondo or Kingdom of Lusong) as it has western connotations that do not actually apply. This article would be separate from
Tondo, Manila because it refers to the independent state that existed before the spanish came and placed Tondo under the administration of the rulers of Manila (Inramuros). That article would be not organized in the usual chronology pattern of historical articles, but as a list of what we do know about ancient Tondo (LCI 900ad, Bolkiah 1500ad, and Lakandula 1500s), followed by a list of theories (Lesser Song Empire, "Lakandula" as a title) accompanied by discussions of their acceptance by mainstream scholarship. I am announcing my intentions here because I am still somewhat bothered by the naming conventions, and part of me wonders whether my argument of an
Ancient Tondo article separate from
Tondo, Manila are valid. However, it has been suggested that we should
be bold, so here I go. Because the
Luzon Empire article is simply not orthodox.
Alternativity (
talk)
11:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
OKAY. Here goes. I've come up with a more orthodox article,
Ancient Tondo. It still needs work, but I think it covers the same territory as
Luzon Empire, with the conjecture moved to a separate section (which I have not yet finished). May I suggest a partial merge, with
Luzon Empire being reduced to a discussion of the theory that the Lesser Song Dynasty later became the Tondo of Lakandula? Thoughts, anyone?
Alternativity (
talk)
15:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... This seems to be generating a lot of drama in the Afd's. Perhaps more tambays should look into this. I still AGF but should this continue perhaps we should go through RFC. I'll invite the nom in question here.--
Lenticel(
talk)00:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
It's obviously an example of systemic bias, and when we threaten them by nominating one of "their own" articles for deletion, we get accused for
not assuming good faith. I mean, following their argument, it completely reflects the American counterpart (and therefore subject to deletion--at least in their view--as well).
Starczamora (
talk)
02:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm ambivalent about these actually. There are already categories existing so the most value remaining is in the redlinks. We can collect them and place them in project space maybe as an expanded and categorized requested articles? --
seav (
talk)
03:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Rudy Fernandez the actor is more notable than the triathlete. Or perhaps, to avoid warring against the PBB fanboys, create a disambiguation page instead.
Starczamora (
talk)
06:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Nah,
WP:NC says the most popular subject gets the article title, unless there are like 5 people with the same name. The hoops player has an accented name (the Spanish "correct" spelling) while the 2 Pinoys don't have accents. The dab note will still be displayed prominently at the top, though. --HowardtheDuck06:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
There's also a Rudy Fernandez who happens to be one of the most prominent practitioners of
Science communication in the Philippines, but it's such a specialist field that I'm not sure
Rudy Fernandez (Journalist) qualifies as notable.
Earlier today I either prodded or asked all barangay articles for CSDs and all of them were either removed or denied. Now I'm planning to go by the ordinary AFD route for all of these barangays later. Do we have a unified stand on the standing of these barangays? I think other non-Pinoys really don't understand the concept of barangays so selling deletion to them would rather be hard. --HowardtheDuck12:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should cite my past Baranggay Afd noms as precedent (see my contribs . I think non-Filipinos are simply too cautious with foreign related deletions so as not to be accused as biased or even racist.--
Lenticel(
talk)00:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The mass PROD was kinda too extreme. The slower AfD route would've been better. Also, maybe we can be
bold and merge the verifiable info ourselves into the municipality/city articles. --
seav (
talk)
02:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... a quiet merge seems to be better than more Afd inclusionist drama. But remember most Brgy. Afd's closed as delete--
Lenticel(
talk)02:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
These barangay articles do not really meet CSD criteria. Redirecting them to the municipality articles is probably the quickest route. --
Polaron |
Talk03:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I still argue that certain barangays are inherently notable in themselves (that's intentional redundancy of "inherent" for emphasis. hehe) and that "being a barangay" by itself does not necessarily constitute an argument for non-notability. My cases in point being
Damortis, Santo Tomas, La Union whose name is synonymous with
Daing and with the
PNR Damortis station that was once the gateway to Baguio, and is certainly more notable than the municipality of
Santo Tomas, La Union; and
Barangay Ayala Alabang, which of course needs no explanation why for being noteworthy. In both cases, the barangay is certainly more notable than, say, a mall. And we allow articles for malls, don't we? (On the other hand, both are redlinks...)
Alternativity (
talk)
03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree that some barangays are notable in themselves, but 99.9% of them don't deserve their own articles and their info should be added to their respective municipality/city articles. As for Damortis, I think the old place is notable, not the current barangay that inherited its name and is located in the same place. As for Ayala Alabang, I think the Ayala Alabang Village is more notable than the barangay (they are almost coterminous, with the barangay also including the Madrigal Business Park and Alabang Town Center). But I think a note about Ayala Alabang Village, Alabang Hills Village, etc. should be included in
Muntinlupa City instead. --
seav (
talk)
04:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I also have a problem with these "rich" barangays like Forbes Park, Dasma, etc. It would seem that they're notable, but not as barangays. --HowardtheDuck04:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't have been resorted to AFD if the prod notices weren't removed several hours after I posted them. Nevertheless, it is important to note that those who voted for keep know nothing about barangays and those who voted delete/merge know what barangays are. --HowardtheDuck09:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, AFDs would attract people who believe all geography article need to be kept as long as they are shown to actually exist. Why not simply redirect existing barangay articles to the relevant section in the municipality article they belong to? If the article creator complains, then simply point out the results of the previous discussions on this issue. Another possibility is to make "List of barangays in X" articles that could include a short blurb and statistics about each barangay. The barangay articles can be redirected to the lists. In fact, it might be worth redirecting all barangays to such lists. The non-existence of articles is maybe one reason why many new articles keep popping up. The existence of a redirect might discourage new barangay articles from being created. --
Polaron |
Talk16:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
List of barangay AfD discussions
This is a list of barangay articles and their AfD statuses. This list is provided as a reference for future debates.
Several of the discussions ended today and most were no consensus or merge. Actually, the closing admin recommended "Merge" but I'll my hands off first lest I be accused of a
User:TTN clone. --HowardtheDuck16:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I must ask the community for help undoing the entries of
User:Ushiwaka pertaining to the
Luzon Empirein the
Tondo, Manila article, beginning with [
[2]]. It has pretty much been established that the sources cited do not warrant the inclusion of theories put forward regarding Tundo being the capital of the Luzon Empire. I would prefer an Undo because I dont want to risk losing the old content of the article, and any data from intermediate edits that have since been done. Any advice on what I can do in this case? I didn't manage to catch the problem until much too late. So far I've only undone changes immediately after. I've never had to go back so far into an article's history before. --
Alternativity (
talk)
18:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I think we need to file a case in
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography. Add {{RFChist | section=section title !! reason=neutral statement !! time=~~~~~}} at the atart of the article/s in question. I think we should go to this level as we already talked with the user they didn't respond. I'll leave Alternativity to create the reasons.--
Lenticel(
talk)23:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
A blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz articles?
A lot of anon IP edits have been done in various Philippine showbiz-related articles, ending up much like a fansite with lots of senseless and unverified information (i.e. a recent edit on
Sarah Geronimo citing her as "#2 in the Philippines' Most Beautiful"). Is it possible that we put semi-protection on all such articles so we could monitor the fanboy activities?
Starczamora (
talk)
04:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
You can try at
WP:RFPP, mostly it's a case-by-case basis, unless on some unique events (example: Cristy Fermin orders the vandalism of all
GMA Network talents' articles, that's the time to do blanket semi-protect) --HowardtheDuck04:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
i think the issue is that their are not a lot of editors who enforce WP standards on the Filipino articles like their are for articles about showbiz in other nations. Look at some of the less popular showbiz articles in other countries and you'll see the same problem (and look at the edit history of popular showbiz articles). Overall entropy will push an articles into nothing more than a list of senseless and unverified information. The answer is more editors and bolder editors... not protection of said articles (unless you want all articles to be protected... that's a whole other debate)
harlock_jds (
talk)
17:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I told you so. We should request a blanket semi-protect on all Philippine showbiz-related articles because we know how touchy warring fanboys tend to be (don't believe me? just look at Pinoy Exchange).
Starczamora (
talk)
14:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I don't usually watch ABS articles but when I do a "drive-by" (when clean up a same class of articles), I usually keep watch of them for a few days until they're buried in my contributions link. And imposing a complete protect on one class of articles won't be approved, unless someone does my Cristy Fermin example above. --HowardtheDuck14:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
To: The BONGGA! Article Contributor
Hi,
It is such an honor and wonderful feeling to be a part of a legendary TV show such as this, and what makes you even more proud to see it in one of the worldwidely used site such as wikipedia.org! I must congratulate you for doing such great job on this. I know how much effort and time it took you to come up with this wonderful material.
I was one of the hosts of that show and i just did a few corrections (i.e., spelling of my name: changed it to May from Mae, and also put in the complete name of Apol Arro which is April Rose Arro, etc.) I would appreciate it if someone from that network could keep in touch with me I surely miss TV Hosting!
<3
Cherry of Bongga! (Hosted 2006-2007) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Vitamincherry (
talk •
contribs)
21:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I nominated
this article for deletion. Apparently,
Arikasikis keep on removing the afd tag. The user thinks that there was already a decision to keep the article, which there is no such decision because my afd nomination is fresh. Can someone bring back the afd tag? I might violate the
WP:3RR rule. --
Jojit (
talk)
07:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
User:Arikasikis has just created the Coalition against Tagalog Imperialism and invited lots of Filipino Wikipedians (including blocked ones). I don't think this is a humor userbox and it smells of
WP:POINT after the Newton Study Center afd.--
Lenticel(
talk)05:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, just created the article above, but I don't know what's the appropriate stubbing for it. Also, since it's the very first comic book convention in the country, I would like to know if it would qualify for DYK? Thanks!
†Bloodpack†09:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
You mean the statements I made within the article? I have a pamphlet when I attended the October 21, 2006 convention, but since I can't copy its contents (copyright violation), I translated some of its content on my own. I can scan that material, is it ok to have a jpeg as a citation? The texts are too small though, what dpi should i use?
†Bloodpack†10:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
It is sad that the komik industry in the Philippines is so down that this event (im afraid) is not (yet probably) covered by any popular newspapers, but I'll ask the organizers through their deviantart to ask for help...But reading this pamphlet on my hands, I see that the first Komikon was covered by ABC5
†Bloodpack†10:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hm, the
New Worlds Alliance wiki was Deleted, with those who said delete saying it read like an advertisement. I think it's notable, certainly with more media coverage than
Komikon. How much trouble do you guys think I would be getting myself into for reviving it? The Philippine Annual Science Fiction and Fantasy Conventions redirect there, btw. --
Alternativity (
talk)
14:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
If you want to make the article a DYK, I suggest that you use in-line cites. DYK admins prefer hooks that are sourced. Also the article needs expansion. Hope this helps--
Lenticel(
talk)06:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
"Pinoy uses wiki model to make textbooks for public schools"
Also in the article : "To date, his initiative has attracted several volunteers. It also started working with another group hammering out a Creative Common license specific to the Philippines to allow content to be shared. This license is currently a "work in progress" " .
From that article, we have unearthed something:
Well its a good time to stamp all Philippine-related maps with a better license so that it wont be used freely by ABS-CBN, NBN-4 and RPN-9 in their news reports.--
Exec8 (
talk)
17:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I've actually heard about the CC-PH initiative about two weeks ago but didn't see the need to mention it yet. Anyway, I'll probably study how these local licenses are different from the vanilla ones. --
seav (
talk)
02:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Wikimedia Commons accepts the country-specific-variants of CC. Also, I don't know if you have licensed a work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, for example, is it automatically licensed under the country-specific-variants? --
seav (
talk)
02:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this will work, but what about incorporating Bayanihan Books into Wikibooks proper, at least for the Tagalog-language content? --
Sky Harbor12:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Probable deletion of Philippine currency, Needs FU
Just a heads up. It seems that {{Non-free currency}} and {{PhilippinesGov with fair use}} arent enough to save the
2000 peso bill from probable deletion. I just thought you could help provide with fair-use rationales here.--
Lenticel(
talk)06:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Aside from the 1000 and 2000 bills, I think all of our bills should be "shrunk" to a lower resolution before adding fair-use rationales. I'm sorry bu I can't help in this part since I'm no expert on graphics.--
Lenticel(
talk)07:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Y Done. Probably, some of you can do the rest. Just copy the FU rational that I gave in the 2000 peso bill. --
Jojit (
talk)
09:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on, another POV forked article when you've just contributed to other articles. This is very similar to your other "Timeline" article which was deleted. I suggest you tag it with {{db-bio}} to avoid the AFD drama. --HowardtheDuck14:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello all, this issue concerns specifically with the
Palawan article and rankings in general. I put the NatGeo Traveller's ranking of Palawan where it's ranked 13th best, however two editors make it 27th. I reasoned that there are ties in the rankings [
[3]]. Just now, I referenced the pdf link where it's written and ranked 13. Stating that Palawan is 27th best instead of 13th best maybe is a violation of
WP:No Original Research as the reference states it as 13th, not 27th. How do we treat ties in ranking here?
Jordz (
talk)
10:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Almost all of the info in the 47KB "Timeline" article is unsourced, poorly written, or not very significant. Before any mergine, it needs to be pruned significantly.
TheCoffee (
talk)
12:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I myself was dumbfounded when they appeared as red links. I think some Pinoy admin can restore this since they were all speedies. --HowardtheDuck15:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
found this while searching dead-end pages. Anyways it seems to have "historical" data and not only daily logs so I think it might be a useful article. Then again I don't really watch TV. Anyways showbiz-inclined Tambays can improve it or send it to the kangkungan--
Lenticel(
talk)12:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the bio-article (of the man who made me suffer for 8 years - July 20, 1999 - preventive suspension), must be cleaned up, and written in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. A tag may be needed like current events, in view of his serious condition. On July 20, 2002, I filed a 20 pages Motion in Court predicting this hospitalization on February, 2008, and his imminent lingering illness, bedridden leading to painful death, and it happened while my article is for AFD by a Filipino editor. So, I want to prove that my long argument against the AFD deletion is not a rant, not a blog and valid thesis for mounting calls on GMA exit. Please take a day to day close encounter with the medical condition of Benipayo vis-a-vis hour to hour watch on PGMA Exit. Any UST users here? On
February 22,
2008, 3 p.m., Alfredo Benipayo (Dean of the faculty of civil law at the
University of Santo Tomas) was hospitalized in
Iloilo City's Saint Paul's Hospital. At the middle of his lecture before the
Integrated Bar of the Philippines Iloilo Chapter in a hotel, he collapsed.
gmanews.tv, Ex-Comelec chief Benipayo rushed to hospital in Iloilo —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Florentino floro (
talk •
contribs)
06:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
As per
WP:SPAM,
WP:TALK and
WP:BATTLE, I removed this section. It's seems to me that this is going to be an endless debate, you reply, I reply, you reply, I reply, blah blah. If you have any concerns, arising from the AfD of Florentino floro's article, go
there. Any posts stemming out from that issue again will be deleted, NOW LET'S ALL MOVED ON! (fer Christ sake)
†Bloodpack†10:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"It's your choice. Wiki Rules must be interpreted, by reading their spirit and true intent, instead of offering in the altar of technicalities, the niceties and hodge-podge of farce or moro-moro debate, argument and discussion, where Filipino editors already decided before the AFD tag was placed. Let us make Wiki global and encyclopedic; and let us correct, rectify and straighten the bitter minds of Filipino editors who make Wiki good articles like mine, vandalized per subjective if not erratic application and interpretation of litany of Wiki rules. Please look at the policy behind these Rules. --
Florentino floro (
talk)
10:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The best edits I ever had, are not my scholarly written Wikipedia articles on law, but my short edits on the current events supported by media links, on the horrible deaths, pains, illnesses and accidents of all those who made me suffer for 8 years since July 20, 1999: when
Alfredo Benipayo signed my longest preventive suspension
[4]in world judicial history. As I was writing my 700 pages book, on current, (the 357 pages first part was published last year), or yesterday, I included therein Benipayo's angioplasty on February 21, 2001 which I did predict and cause, and yesterday, as the violet light struck when I was fighting for the AFD, I will prove to the entire world who googled me on April 6, 2006, that LUIS as king of kings of elementals, who wield for me the GIFT to block the vessels of my persecutors. And Wikpedia as encyclopedia is the best vehicle to make encyclopedic the events which would permanently make my footprints in the chronicles of judicial history and
psychicphenomena.--
Florentino floro (
talk)
06:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
What is the connection of the psychic phenomena thing with the Tambayan and the AFD discussion? It's just derailing relevant discussions here at the Tambayan. It's tiring just to read. Let's just move on other stuff. --
bluemask(
talk)06:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that we should stop this madness and instead focus on other articles remotely related to the Philippines for the meantime until this ends. --HowardtheDuck11:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
"Census of Population is the complete count of all residents, both Filipinos (including overseas workers) and foreigners who have stayed or are expected to stay for at least a year in the Philippines.
Census enumeration started last
August 1,
2007 and lasted for about 25 days. The National Statistics Office (NSO) is the sole government agency to undertake Census of Population and all other censuses by the National Statistical Coordination Board (NSCB).
The population count by province, city, municipality, and barangay shall be released by February 28,
2008. The final count shall be considered official for all purposes upon proclamation by the President of the Philippines. Census data will also be made available in printed volumes and compact discs." Source:
census.gov.ph
Can we retain the 2000 counts into a demographics section somewhere? And indicate the growth rate over the 7 years? Also, I think this needs a task force with a checklist of sorts. --
seav (
talk)
09:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this ever since I made the little municipality articles. Actually I was thinking there wouldn't be another census until 2010. I guess we could put in demographics sections, but what else could go in them other than the 2000 and 2007 population counts?
TheCoffee (
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20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone seen the
DBM allocation of Internal Revenue Allotment? They base it on the province's or municipality's land area and population (new provinces and municipalities are updated there with respect to their land area and population based on the 2000 census). However, if you were to analyze it, it will appear that
Lanao del Sur is 3rd largest province. --
Scorpion prinz(
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Maybe we can come up with something like this? Though I know we don't have so much data to list down, let's just add as soon as they become available? FYI, I borrowed the table from the US State of
Washington --
Scorpion prinz(
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contribs)08:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The official count of the population of the country based on the 2007 Census of Population conducted in August 2007 by the National Statistics Office (NSO) will be released in March. This was originally scheduled to be out this day. The NSO's intensified saturation drive to cover the smallest geographic area possible for greater accuracy and reliability in population count and the backing out of some census enumerators, resulted in unwanted delays in data processing.Census Press Release 16 --
Exec8 (
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05:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Cleanup the article. Could use some context from early life. The E-link that I posted in the article can provide some but I'm too lazy to improve it. He's not a very likable person ;)--
Lenticel(
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The problem is generally the lack of sources. I'll try to look into some. BTW, I've removed a photo of jeepneys in
Bacolod City because the mall is more prominently displayed than the vehicles.
Starczamora (
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09:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Assessment Department Update (March 2008)
Philippine-related articles by quality and importance
Since the
last update, we have tagged about 650 articles as part of the
Philippine-related articles assessment drive. There are still approximately 4,300 articles left to tag. As can be seen from the graph, the assessment has slowed down since the start of last December. I think we can do better. Let's clear up the backlog, people! :-)
I would like to raise a concern regarding some anon users keeps on adding "upcoming" Philippine remakes of Mexican telenovelas, namely
Maria Mercedes,
Betty la Fea and others. I'm not sure if these "remakes" are true or just rumors. Please help me verify these remakes.. thanks! -
Danngarcia (
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15:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The so-called Philippine remake of Maria Mercedes
has been deleted for lack of sources. Meanwhile, although there are talks about a Betty La Fea remake, I have yet to read ANY confirmed news that it is being produced (talks and speculations about who would play who are not valid).
Starczamora (
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15:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I wasn't the one who created the entry in
Bathala where it expounds on where
Bakonawa lives, but the section gave me the impression that "Kasanaan" meant Underworld. SOmeone has since changed Kasanaan to Kasamaan, which means "Evil", not "Underworld." I'm not really that good at deep Tagalog. At any rate, that particular fact doesn't have a reference. I personally dont want to delete it, though, because documentation on Philippine mythology can be so hard to find and is quite often a repetition of an oral telling anyway. Anybody care to comment on Kasanaan? Is the correction to Kasamaan appropriate?
Alternativity (
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20:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
This tells us that Kasanaan is the underworld (place to torture souls that deserves punishment) and Sitan (not the
Moon serpent) is the chief diety along with his lackeys, the mangkukulam and the
Mangagaway (not the manananggal or aswang). (page 11) The text can't be viewed in the actual page as it is on "snippet view" though there is enough data in the book's page for a template:cite book ref.--
Lenticel(
talk)01:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
sana po
sana po lagi updated un mga entries sa ibat ibANG REGION LALO NA UN SA POPULATION AT UN ECONOMIC SITUATION EVERY REGION..TNX PO —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
124.104.147.67 (
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04:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. You can actually help out by editing the articles as long as you have valid sources (which you should also include). However, here are things you should learn:
This is an English-language Wikipedia. You need to communicate in that language.
You get more respect if you do not "typ n txt spk".
Donation to Wikimedia from a student in the Philippines?
“
"I remember one envelope, from the Philippines, contained four dimes and a handful of pennies; Barbara, the secretary, was so moved that she rounded it out to a dollar." —
from a comment by All's Wool that Ends Wool
”
Ignore the drama surrounding that statement above in the blog. If the donation's true, then it's truly a wonderful thing, right? It makes our volunteering our time in Wikipedia that much more meaningful. :-)
Well I think of our volunteer work as an intellectual
Red Cross. Wow, talk about career moves. Maybe we'll have an article about her next year if she garners enough notability. --
Lenticel(
talk)22:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I've been thinking about just that. If Read or Die Philippines gets a Second Philippine Literary Convention to happen this year, it think Read or Die Philippines will more or less prove itself a sustainable grassroots literary appreciation movement to merit its own wiki, if it doesn't yet merit one now... --
Alternativity (
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16:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Someone from the Federation of Fishpen & Fishcage Operators Associations of Laguna de Bay has just dumped a lot of data onto the
Laguna de Bay wiki, and marked it as a minor edit. It seems quite of the data is well referenced, but may not be NPOV. I don't acutally have time to go through all the details of the new edit yet, so I thought I'd give everybody the heads up.
Alternativity (
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16:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Naiiwanan na tayo ng ibang mga Wikipedians, as I say it in Tagalog. We should plan for
the next Wikipedia meetup as early as now. I am quite disappointed, since the last meetup was held on October 2007. We should try to have another meetup by May 2008 (logical, more time for preparations, etc.). stay tuned to this frequency (some sarcasm). -
iaNLOPEZ1115 ·TaLKBaCK ·Vandalize it14:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Not May, but very early June (between June 1-3). However, there are a few things on the agenda that we need to address urgently in my opinion:
Tagalocentrism
Wikimedia Philippines
Fostering a sense of community and propriety with
WikiPilipinas and WikiFilipino in particular. With respect to WikiFilipino, this includes a unified interface translation for MediaWiki in Tagalog/Filipino.
It is true that it has been five months (or so) since the last meetup, and while the Philippine Wikimedia community is not as active as its neighbors' (the Taiwanese, Hong Kong and Indonesian communities are far larger and far more active than the Philippine community), we need to make some headway if we are ever going to get work done. And I hope this time, we have more than six people in a meetup, and hopefully we have females in it as well. --
Sky Harbor01:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think that Tagalog-centrism is a big a problem that others paint it to be. There are plenty of non-Tagalog people here (
TheCoffee is even an administrator) that find no problem on whether Philippine-related articles are too Tagalog-heavy. I think the main agenda for the next meet-up should be about Wikimedia Philippines and outreach activities. Let's leave content issues on any particular Wikipedia from the main agenda but they can be side topics.
Regarding WikiFilipino, please take note that the language they're using is Filipino and not Tagalog (yes, it's that debate again), so I'm not so sure about the merits of having a unified UI for MediaWiki on both projects. --
seav (
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04:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
It's been more than a year since Dinagat Islands became a province but I finally got around to creating locator maps (in
SVG!) of the province's towns. If I have time, I'll create ones for
Shariff Kabunsuan and redo
Surigao del Norte and
Maguindanao (as well as redo the locator maps for those provinces themselves). --
seav (
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14:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the one that says Logo for Wiki is the basic one, with or without the accompanying text. The one that says DOST official logo is in 3D and is in a different perspective. I suspect the second one is licensed as free because the person who made it thought altering it that way made it qualified as copy-left. I'm not absolutely certain, though.
Alternativity (
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08:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm here. :) I'm just busy with
real life. Probably, I will squeeze it on my schedule. In any case, you are free to edit it as recommended by the reviewer. --
Jojit (
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00:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Philippines Redux
It seems that some quarters feel that the word "tambayan" implies a Tagalog-centrism in this Philippine WikiProject/Regional notice board. Personally, I didn't think that the choice of the word "tambayan" (when I created this page back in February 2005) would result in some form of ethnic friction, which is actually just a spill-over from the
Filipino language debate last November 2007 and the recent pointy Non-Tagalog Philippines project.
There has been a
proposal and discussion back in October 2007 to rename/upgrade Tambayan Philippines into a full-blown
WikiProject much like
Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history, which seems to be the gold standard when it comes to WikiProjects (it has several departments, various elected positions, and has produced tons of Featured articles). There was not really a consensus to do the rename and the discussion sort of died out.
Now here are my observations about the current state of Filipino Wikipedians in the English Wikipedia and the contribution to Philippine-related articles:
Tambayan Philippines (despite being 3 years old) is still a fledging WikiProject with two low-active departments: Assessment and Collaboration and has a minor central clearinghouse for Philippine-related article notices (e.g. AfDs).
Tambayan Philippines is still mostly a
regional notice board due to the high activity in the Tambayan's main talk page. (You can consider regional notice boards as more informal and less focused versions of WikiProjects.)
The Tambayan has been mostly effective as a place where non-Filipinos can request help on problematic Philippine-related articles.
The Tambayan has successfully conducted various
offline meetups in Metro Manila.
The Tambayan has become a centralized location of discussion regarding Wikimedia Philippines.
Now, let it be said that the aims and goals of a Wikimedia Philippines and the WikiProject Philippines on the English Wikipedia (i.e., Tambayan Philippines, as it is called right now) are two entirely different things. Wikimedia Philippines is just a local support arm of the Wikimedia Foundation and has no jurisdiction over the Foundation's projects while Tambayan Philippines is purely focused on improving Philippine-related articles on the English Wikipedia. So any further discussion about the Tambayan right now should leave Wikimedia Philippines alone.
So, what are the next steps we should do? Should we rename this to WikiProject Philippinesand lose the Tagalog connotation of "tambayan"? Should we step-up the collaborative nature of the Tambayan and make it more organized? Or should we stick with making the Tambayan an informal forum (Village Pump) of sorts?
The low input on the two collaborations: Ningas-kugon or simply the lack of numbers to do the job.
The next steps: Changing the Tambayan into WP:PHILIPPINES is alright. We can call ourselves WikiPinoys rather than Tambays if consensus says so. However we don't have enough numbers to actually go to the next level. I suggest we maintain the status quo until we can recruit more active members
Our main weakness: We only unite when there's a threat. Otherwise we simply go our on merry way to fix our favorite articles. We also seem to be unfriendly to non-Tagalog. As a non-Tagalog myself, I don't see what bugs them. Maayos naman kayong kausap --
Lenticel(
talk)08:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
To appease the people who might feel that the usage of the word "Tambayan" is Tagalog-centric and that this board is not yet ready to go to the next step (as a Wikiproject), how about using the generic name "Wikipedia:Philippines regional notice board"? Neutral enough for me since I am not Tagalog and English is one of the official language of the Philippines.--
bluemask(
talk)09:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm that is a good idea since it solves the Tagalog-centrism problem (which I don't see) and maintains the status quo for now. I think we're really not ready for the next level. We need more warm bodies--
Lenticel(
talk)09:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
You mean tagalocentrism (a neologism), right? But we have to observe the proper naming format for WikiProjects and notice boards if we ever change the name. --
Sky Harbor11:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The title of the WikiProject Philippines the Tambayan Philippines is a Tagalog-centric and the title of Tamabayan Philippines must be changed into Philippine Wikipedians' notice board so that there is no more Tagalogcentrism in the WikiProject Philippines and the non-Tagalog speakers like me will not feel an any favoritism to the Tagalog people in the WikiProject Philippines. I hate Tagalog people because Tagalog people discriminates Cebuano people since the Spanish times such as ridiculing or discriminating the Cebuano accent by the Tagalog speakers.--
Joseph Solis in Australia (
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08:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I can make the argument that "Tambayan" is a
Filipino word so it's not Tagalog-centric. And the leftist in me that hates the U.S. wouldn't want Philippine Wikipedians since it's English, hence U.S.-bias. --HowardtheDuck08:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Question: Is there a sign of discrimination on this board?
Yes, because you use the title Tambay with the suffix -an which this suffix -an is in Tagalog form and to be neutral, the title of WikiProject Philippines title should be in English not in Filipino because this is English Wikipedia not Tagalog Wikipedia.--
Joseph Solis in Australia (
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11:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it is silly to say that there is discrimination just because the name of the page contains "tambayan." The pertinent question is, do Tagalog people, through their edits, disrespect non-Tagalog people and their contributions? Personally, I don't think there is any such form of discrimination.
TheCoffee is from Negros Oriental, and an admin here, and he doesn't see any discrimination.
Efe is from Southern Leyte and he doesn't see any discrimination as well. --
seav (
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13:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Take note: tambay comes from English "standby." Cebuano uses istambay and then istambayan - according to a Visayan I was discussing the recent "Non-Tagalog Philippines" here. --
Chris S. (
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09:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Tagalogs are lazy when it comes to words (Tagalogs shorten a LOT of words) so "istambay" also makes sense, although "tambay" is more prevalent. --HowardtheDuck10:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree that Tambay or Istamabayun is the Cebuano word also of hang-out but I want the title of Wikiproject Philippines in English since we are in English Wikipedia. My prove is that Mexican Wikipedians didn't use the title of their Wikiproject in Spanish but they use in English!:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico/Community.--
Joseph Solis in Australia (
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11:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I know and realized now the fact that Tambayan is a Filipino word not a Tagalog word. It's now OKAY for me to use Tambayan as a title of WikiProject Philippines.--
Joseph Solis in Australia (
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09:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)