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Hi guys! Ive been in MedCab for a couple of weeks now and im on case number 5, with 2 closed and one about to be, but none of them ever seem to be listed on the open cases list. I make sure ive been changing the status fields on the mediation page to open, is there something else ive been missing? Talk to you all soon Squad'nLeedah 20:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Well that would do it.... Squad'nLeedah 23:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Ars Scriptor ( talk · contribs) was the mediator for Talk:Muhammad/Mediation, but he retired from Wikipedia a month ago. Anyone else want to step up? - Merzbow 22:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/foi/Day_3_Assignment_-_Participate_in_Wikipedia_Dispute_Resolution
I'm sorta fine with this. I'm way too happy to have more vict^w volunteers to complain.
It'd be interesting to see how they do. It might be a VERY difficult assignment though.
Kim Bruning 22:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Note that the assignment page has pages for group results. This includes which pages they'll try to be mediating. If you keep an eye on the group results over the weekend, you can try to make sure nothing will go totally wrong. I suggest being somewhat hands off, but it might be wise to help if things go over peoples' heads. I'll leave that up to individual judgement. :-) Kim Bruning 22:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The assigment was due by monday. I wonder how the professor evaluated them! :-) Kim Bruning 23:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
It was a nice thought, but honestly, I don't think it's much of a fair assignment. Unless that was the point of the assignment. It takes quite some time to become acclimated to the ins and outs of Wikipedia society and its inner workings, and I think that pointing and saying "fix it" (especially recommending starting at something controversial like terrorism, the kind of dispute that never gets solved) is setting the students up for failure. However, it really ought to go without saying that people should be nice to newcomers. - Che Nuevara 09:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and we have an article on the professor too! :-) Kim Bruning 01:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Recently found Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts as another place to find trouble a-brewin' for people who want to pick up a simple case to practice with. :-) Kim Bruning 19:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed before, but this long dead wiki-organisation actually seems to be operational again, and some of their setup looks suspiciously mediation-cabal-like ;-) <Griiiiiin> Kim Bruning 01:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thats right we' re operational. G e o. 05:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello -- I have a question, My request is for mediation between two users who argue incessantly over various articles. These two seem to argue regularly on various articles coming close to 3RR several times. Is this an appropriate place to get these two to play nice with others, or is there another/better venue? Rob110178 04:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Some people are leaving me non stop things on my talk page, i do not want them to ever to talk to me, reply on my talk page. Also what is the difference here between this mediation and administrator's notice board?Where this cabel come from, this is new? -Boxingwear — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoxingWear ( talk • contribs)
Hello BoxingWear. Please use four tildes (~~~~) to sign your name. That way it adds a link to your user page and adds the time you posted your question, both of which are helpful. I reviewed the talk page entries that have been posted. I think there is a slight misunderstanding as to the purpose of a talk page on Wikipedia. Quoting from various parts of WP:TALK:
“ | Discuss edits: The talk page is particularly useful to talk about edits. If one of your edits has been reverted, and you change it back again, it is good practice to leave an explanation on the talk page and a note in the edit summary that you have done so. The talk page is also the place to ask about another editor's changes. If someone queries one of your edits, make sure you reply with a full, helpful rationale. Don't misrepresent other people: The record should accurately show significant exchanges that took place, and in the right context. |
” |
These policies apply to all talk pages, on Wikipedia, though most people probably agree that since user talk pages are in user space, you should have a little more say in what stays or goes on your talk page. I, for instance, state that I reserve the right to remove offensive content posted to my talk page. It really doesn't matter, because everything posted on Wikipedia is permanently archived. But at least I do not have to stare at it. :-)
If the comments added to the page were vandalism, spiteful, or full of hateful speech, reporting the incident on the Administrators' Notice Board is a good thing to do. Contacting an admin friendly to you in the past is not as good of a choice, because it could escalate the issue due to perceived conflict of interest. You case is a little different. The other parties appear to be using your talk page in a proper manner to engage in editorial discussions about certain articles and actions that have been taken on Wikipedia.
Threatening and intimidating the other user for continued good-faith attempts at communicating to resolve differences in opinion is not the most effective way to resolve this issue. I would suggest you open a mediation case here, and work together through the various issues the two of you are facing. It's not the edits on the talk page, but rather that edits in the articles that really need to be resolved. Once they are resolved, the other user is unlikely to write on your talk page any more.
I wish you the best of luck in resolving this. Please remember that everyone at Wikipedia should be working toward the same goal of improving the site. We just have different ways of going about it. It doesn't mean either party is necessarily wrong, but it can certainly feel that way sometimes. Open communication (the point of both the talk pages and this cabal) are the best ways of enacting that here at Wikipedia. Take care. -- Willscrlt ( Talk· Cntrb) 04:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow, i just notices this reply, nice to hear from you guys, any of you administrators, sysops, that's same? I disagree, some words do not belong on talk pages. But yea, i know, but I am saying, there are times when certain people just keep on pushing it and pushing, sure, I warn them, but you can only remain cool for so long you know... What is this place for, is it similar to noticeboard?Usually on administrators' site, I get no replies. Boxingwear
Heh! I just came here to have a look at how the Cabal has been doing since my involvement in it. (Hell, I don't even edit Wikipedia any more, really.) I notice the "list of cabalists" has finally gone! I am delighted. I had long considered the list to be a rather clunky inconvenience and a possible deterrent to people helping out in an ad hoc manner, as it were. The next step, if I might make a suggestion, would be to jettison the case list and sub-pages, replacing them with a Category:Active Mediation Cabal disputes which would be managed via a template placed on article talk-pages. Feel free to ignore me if this sounds ridiculous, of course, as I carry no authority here; it was just a thought. Keep up the good work! Cheers, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it ws gwnol who took it down, i mean, the voting was positive 5-1 to keep it, why was that article gone, I do not know, it must be there, there are too many bad articles on wiki, this one truly belongs, I will be willing to write it. That was truly stupid to take it down! Well, here are my other problems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BoxingWear#WP:MEDCAB Boxingwear
Mediated about a dozen conflicts a long while ago, just stopping by to see what is going on. It would be great if someone could figure out our "success rate". What fraction of mediations actually begin, and what fraction are actually "resolved" in a positive fashion? Rather curious, Sdedeo ( tips) 23:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee. I closed a number of cases that "died due to interest." I personally consider that a success -- it's rare to get an internet user to say "I was wrong" and I found that the grit-in-the-wheels participants preferred to just disappear. Sdedeo ( tips) 01:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am having a big problem here, i do not want to leave any more replies on a certain page, because it may get me into trouble, i need somebody who knows something on boxing and will look at my situation from neutral point of view. -Boxingwear
I created a template to be placed on top of a mediated article: {{ mediated}}. I meant it to replace {{ ActiveDiscuss}} and {{ POV}}, although I left out the Category:NPOV disputes, because they must have over 6000 articles in that category already, so anything we can do to reduce it probably helps, and if a case is mediated, it is already getting attention.
I want it to be useful for both Mediation Cabale and Mediation Committee, so I left out any specific reference to either, but if someone likes to add that, maybe via an optional parameter, I'd be fine with that. — Sebastian 03:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
These kinds of tags are very useful and I encourage people to use them. Basically, they help avoid a common problem: "oh wait, despite our long exchange I promise I didn't know I was joining in a mediation, I refuse to do anything mediationy, and please f.off." Sdedeo ( tips) 17:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The existing template has a more soothing color scheme and is designed for talk pages:
{{ ActiveDiscussMC}}
Addhoc 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
While marking a talk page with a "this page is being mediated" template might work well at some times, I can also think of cases where it may have the opposite effect to what you intend. Resist the urge to just slap a tag on a page in a reflex. Like every other thing you can do, only apply the tag after you've gotten a good idea about what's going on, and are absolutely positive that this particular move will in fact have a positive effect towards reconciliation. If it doesn't, don't. Maintaining initiative is the most important thing, don't lose it! Like everything to do with mediation, be prepared -as a matter of procedure- to be flexible. ;-) Having said all that, it's an interestig tool to add to the inventory. :-) -- Kim Bruning 22:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to create a new topic, but I want to emphasise my disagreement with having the template stuck on the article page itself. Didn't notice that. I really think doing that is a bad idea, if only because of the trouble it would lead to if other groups starting doing it (can you imagine the proliferation of tags on the article page -- "this article is currently under review by the wikipedia committee for X"). We're used to massive numbers of well-intentioned tags on talk pages, but I don't think we want to see the same creep for article pages except for long accepted tags like NPOV, etc. Sdedeo ( tips) 05:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I just want somebody to talk to User:Nurg about his bad habit of marking major edits including reverts as "minor". This is something which User:Wik use to do a lot of, you would see in Wik's contribution listing Revert after Revert all marked as "minor" and all with "rv" as the description. Deleteing other people's work or inserting new content is not a "minor" edit in MHO. 58.107.15.245 05:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This figure is really a complete guess. Cases that attract someone's interest might be taken up the same day, while the oldest case right now is over three weeks old. I suggest that we should simply remove this number. -- Ideogram 06:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Whilst I recognise that mediators should be completely neutral, which I have consistently tried to uphold whilst mediating Surrealism, what do I do when we have reached a consensus and then one of the parties disappears, but returns with a whole host of newly registered users (who type with the same syntax, have similar user pages, want the same things and keep reverting the same thing). This to me does look like a fairly obvious case of sockpuppetry, but as I am neutral, is it my place to report, ignore or what? Have a look here, you'll see what I mean. Jem 09:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The discussion on Street Fighter article naming conventions has almost run out of steam. Both sides have put up reasonable arguments on why their perspectives are worth listening to and I've tried pretty hard to argue in favour and against both of them at the same time throughout our chat. We've now come to the point where we're re-re-rehashing old points instead of bringing up new ones. Could someone else please take a look at the wall of text we've generated and offer their thoughts before I try to push this thing bedward? Flakeloaf 04:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't call it a deadlock exactly; it would appear that we're moving towards a solution. Whether it'll be the solution or not remains to be seen but at least we're still talking. If it doesn't look like we're getting anywhere after another week or two of this (and no one answer seems demonstrably "right") I'll RfC the MedCab discussion and see if we can steer the two sides of the relevant WikiProject together again. Flakeloaf 21:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
This is only my second mediation, and it's proving much harder than my first. I was wondering if someone more experienced could help me, since I don't really know how to proceed. Thanks! · AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 18:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
This looks a tad like what people were talking about during wikimania? -- Kim Bruning 00:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
So I invited Dmcevit (an arbitration committee member) to #wikipedia-medcab. He mentioned a situation he'd noticed here.
Worth brownie points to solve. Could some people come take a look, or is everyone really busy? -- Kim Bruning 22:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
/medintro <- I'll try to write something --19:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Since I've got six trainees and no actual cases yet, I've written to each of them suggesting they lend a hand here. Saw the notice that you're backlogged. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 22:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The current instructions imply that someone requesting mediation is just supposed to list the case here, and that the mediator will inform the other parties. However, at [1], someone was offended that they weren't informed that a mediation case was being requested. Mediation was requested; no mediator volunteered; and someone closed the mediation case on the grounds that no discussion was happening. But maybe if a mediator had volunteered, or if it had been announced that mediation was being requested and if discussion with mediation had been invited, then maybe discussion would have happened. Apparently the first that some involved parties heard about the mediation was this: [2] which is not very inviting.
So, maybe the instructions need to be modified either to (a) suggest to someone requesting mediation that they inform the other parties they're requesting mediation; (if they can do so civilly!!) or (b) instruct cabalists how to handle situations where there is a mediation request but no mediator yet (Do nothing? mediation request remains "secret"? Or inform parties that there is a mediation request but no volunteer mediator yet?) It doesn't make sense to start putting up notices on an article talk page about a case being closed if there haven't yet been any notices about the case being opened in the first place. Maybe the instructions for closing cases need to say not to inform anyone who wasn't informed of the case opening. Anyway, some re-thinking of the instructions to avoid the situation descibed above would be helpful. -- Coppertwig 14:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Before I was ever made aware of the issue, Ideogram already labelled me (and another editor) was "unwilling" to participate. Not only was that untrue (how can I be characterised as "unwilling" to participate in something I am unaware of), it also amounts to well poisoning. It's entirely beside the point that, rather than engaging in discussion Ideogram chose to reply to my request to remove the statement with a personally directed insult, which s/he followed up with threats. Obviously Tim wasn't the one at fault here - he was following the instructions. While it isn't the fault of the medcab that Ideogram's chosen way of "mediation" involved incivility, insults, personal attacks and threats, the point remains that the process cannot work if the other parties are kept in the dark, and then criticised for not participating in a process they are unaware of. Guettarda 19:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Guettarda of course holds the entire MedCab in total contempt, as seen here and here. -- Ideogram 19:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm...why am I bringing this up here? Mostly because of this; prior to Keitei's comment I had pretty much written off the medcab as unfixable, since most of what I had observed was along the lines of the issue raised in that thread. Guettarda 20:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I am of course, always open to learning how to improve WP:MEDCAB. I'll mail Guettarda now. -- Kim Bruning 22:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)