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This was a very simple thing to set up, and it's already functional even :-)
There might be some things that need changing in wording and so, but the idea of being informal is to be informal, if someone starts adding stacks of Big Stuffy Words, I shall chase them around the room and introduce them to my concrete overshoe factory.
Finally, remember, TINMC! ;-) Kim Bruning 01:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
As a moron, sometimes I have comprehension problems. For example, when I see Snowspinner (apparently) talking about mediation on this page, on the one hand, that seems good. But then I think, how can there be mediation if I'm not involved? And how can I be involved if I haven't been informed? Therefore I'm having trouble understanding A) the purpose of this page in general B) Snowspinner's specific purpose in talking about our dispute here. Everyking 12:50, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Fnord. R adiant _* 12:51, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Nobody expects the Mediation Cabal!! Mwhahahah! --
Wgfinley
00:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
There is no Mediation Cabal. Trust me, I'm on it. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:34, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal#Christian_right_and_Political_correctness could use some prompt attention, things are degenerating fast. Sam Spade 00:50, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
OK, roger wilco. Sam Spade 12:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Note that you don't need to do anything high falutin' to help out with the mediation cabal, just talking with folks, figuring out what they want, digging up interesting diffs... hey it can be fun to do this stuff! ;-) The project page is your first stop to see what's up. There'll probably *always* be something interesting, even if it's not all the heavy "arbcom or bust" stuff. Better that it isn't really, means that you can often solve problems fairy rapidly :-) Take it from there! :-)
Anyway I just talked with JamesF , and he said probably Sannse and Theresa might hold clues as to where to go wrt getting old school mediators to join in :-)
The whole "There Is No Mediation Cabal" reads like an inside joke that no one should take seriously, and virtually no one who hasn't been on Usenet will understand. If the users don't understand the joke, or if they do understand it, but don't appreciate it, they won't try this method of resolving disputes. Anyone who's been on Usenet probably already understands a whole lot more than the average user about how written words can be misunderstood, and probably needs this service less than the average user.
The other important reason why I mention this is that by using this joke, you're already dividing users into two groups (those who get it and those who don't) and showing favor to those who get the joke.
If we're honestly trying to resolve real differences between users here, it isn't very helpful to dig up this old joke's corpse and revive it here. I'd be happy to attempt mediation, but I'm certainly not going to list my username as a volunteer on this page in this state.
If we insist on making light of the situation, why not attempt to put some cheezy '50s customer service kitsch into it? Or set up the page to read like an advertising brochure for a relaxing spa, or a zen temple? There are a whole lot of better models than the "There is no ______ Cabal" joke.
Looking forward to replies. -- Un focused 14:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) -- corrected grammar Un focused 14:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't care if it's a joke or not. If it helps bring harmony and unity to this project, then that's good enough for me. I will refer refugees from RFM here, if the need arises. Let them seek Nirvana from the nothingness. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 17:33, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
I know this page probably isn't the perfect place for me to have brought this case, but things are getting sour in a big hurry, and I really have no idea what to do. I don't know if it's just that no one's had any time to review my case yet, but if it IS in the wrong place, could someone please say something, and perhaps suggest an alternate course of action? I'm literally desperate here, and nothing I know how to do has been effective. -- InShaneee 9 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)
I've redirected this to WP:RFM. TINMC is not a bad idea per se, but there are presently four such processes running concurrently, and that redundancy is not very constructive. Additionally, the name 'TINMC' is confusing to many uses, and this page has been dormant for over a month now. The four should join together in making one shiningly great process. R adiant _>|< 09:58, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
We should have a central page, independent of the others, that discusses the merge of the mediation pages, and leave notes on the rest. (I know I've seen the discussion, for example, but I can't remember where. I visit a lot of places, but I can't be bothered to keep track of the location of all discussions.) Boldly redirecting is, as has been demonstrated, too bold at this stage. JRM · Talk 11:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I have not been informed of this discussion at all. It's nice of you to redir the page, but really useless, since the underlying structure is there with-or-without the page. I just created the page in the first place for some openness and intercommunications. I'd love to talk with the mediation committee and actually do some kind of merger though. Just haven't gotten around to it, and I'll need Inters' permission too. Kim Bruning 11:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I have just completed an overhaul of this system (following my new election as Cabalist-in-Chief by Kim and Inter) and generally improved the page and the process somewhat. I would be most grateful if people would advise me as to whether I have solved all of the problems raised here, or whether there is still more to be done. Comments, and criticisms, would be most appreciated. -- NicholasTurnbull 04:33, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello, as you know, there's an Association of Members' Advocates and, as someone who deals from some time ago with the dispute resolution system, I'll give my opinion about this alternative.
The MedCab is not a bad idea, but it's not something users' are used to. Most of the people will agree that the MedCom is more known that the MedCab and principally because it is a confiable committee in Wikipedia. I suggest you to send a message to the MedCom offering help to them (they need it) and not to try to run against the official mediation channel. The idea is: go along the MedCom and so you'll become known and, maybe, official!
It's only a personal opinion, of course, and this doesn't represent the AMA's official position about this (for this, ask our Coordinator User:Alex756. -- Neigel von Teighen 16:21, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Personal attack noticeboard. Seems handy to watchlist as an early-warning page. Kim Bruning 06:32, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been waiting for a case that interests me to come up but none have done so far. Will I be automatically assigned, I've been waiting for that. Wikiwoohoo 19:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
It's getting close to a week since I asked for mediation, but I'm still waiting on a response. At this point, I'm trying to decide what to do next. I could lift my self-imposed moritorium on changes, which may well result in an edit war. I could also try to seek arbitration, but I'm not sure how much of a point there is in doing that. Any advice? Alienus 21:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there any point to archiving mediation? I can't imagine it would be much to use to people, and old discussions are always available via the history, of course. It would be a lot easier just to chop old/closed cases. Dan100 ( Talk) 20:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I see some changes are afoot but I don't like the direction this is going. Making the request process more complex and adding more steps to the mediation really isn't going to help! I'd prefer we discuss these changes first. Dan100 ( Talk) 23:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Dear Dan100: I am so sorry, I should have really explained an awful lot of things to you about the medcab page immediately when you became a regular, and also I made something of an unfair assumption of control. You see, the thing is for a long time I pretty much was the Mediation Cabal - although others listed themselves on the page, I was pretty much the only mediator, and thus consequently have behaved as the dictator of the Mediation Cabal, the oligarch, perhaps. The old version (the one you reverted to) was my rewrite of Kim Bruning's original version of the page, after Kim asked me to take over the medcab and make it work again; at the time, there was nobody else active doing mediation on that page (well, almost nobody) and thus there was nobody to discuss the changes to the page with :) I should have recognised that you had now become a regular mediator, and that you would take objection to the changes. However, now I've completed them all and you can see them finished, perhaps you might see the advantages of the improved version. The older version, whereby a "cookie cutter" template was substituted onto the page for each mediation request, was in fact a stopgap version I knocked together rather rapidly until I had the time to implement a transcluded version. In the end, Kim and I decided that transclusion probably wouldn't work very well (as can be seen from the Arbcom page) and we decided a list of links to each request, having one mediation request per page, would solve the problems encountered with the old style. Let me enumerate a few issues:
Indeed, I don't feel that the new version has lead to more complexity for the user - it only involves an extra step of pasting one more subst: on the main page, which I hardly think is difficult, and indeed it may be clearer how the process works now since it can be viewed at-a-glance. There should, in theory, be no more cases of people writing over each other's mediation requests, and also it should require less work maintaining the page. I most appreciate your comments on the above. If it really is intolerable, then I will change it back. However, I invite you to go over the page now I have changed it, and decide whether or not it really is worse or better. (It may have looked much worse before it was finished; I have migrated all of the cases over onto their own subpages). All the best, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
No one expects the Mediation Cabal!!! Ah, feels good to say that. I'm back from Wiki-break and am glad to see things are running very well. Right now there's a lot of junk going on over at AMA so my efforts will be focused there for now but I'm prepared to help out with TINMC whenever needed. -- Wgfinley 01:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)