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It would be helpful with a: "This page in a nutshell" or maybe a: "This page in a nutshell (for beginners)", at the top of
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. Because many first time article creators will be quite
bewildered and feel quite frustrated, when they get hit by a
PROD on their head.
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Seren-dipper (
talk)
16:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Do we have any policy on page renames during AfD? The page tag box "For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion." suggests that we do, but I can't find anything on that page.
Should page renames be avoided during AfD? I've only seen this a few times, but it was almost always disruptive simply to the process of getting through AfD. An innocuous page rename (typo fixing) is bad enough, as it breaks links, but it's also a way to change the implied purpose and scope of a page, which could be highly POV. Andy Dingley ( talk) 09:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Greetings, all. After a reasonable search I could not find in this guide an explicit reference to the ever persent closing statement not to modify any content after the AfD's closing. Shouldn't there be one somewhere? Am I looking at the wrong place? Thanks for any input. - The Gnome ( talk) 14:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay, so many of us are programmers, I understand, but seriously, we can't use jargon like "non vote" in an official guide like this.
CapnZapp ( talk) 21:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
We have a section named
If you disagree with the consensus
and that's good and all... but we also need a section for the cases when you don't object to the consensus but to the conclusions drawn by the closing admin. The text says:
"review the article, carefully read the discussion, weigh all the facts, evidence and arguments presented and determine if consensus was reached"
It is entirely possible that you drew a completely different conclusion than the closing admin. In a few cases, you're the one that's actually right!
CapnZapp ( talk) 21:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi everyone! The first mention of "close" occurs in the sentence: "Following seven days of discussion, an experienced Wikipedian will determine if a consensus was reached and will "close" the discussion accordingly." Throughout the rest of the article the term "closing admin" is used and it seems in practice (as I found recently!) an administrator is required to close the discussion. I think the quoted sentence should be updated to reflect this both for consistency and to prevent future misunderstandings. Kinerd518 ( talk) 20:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Editors often "decide" AfD closes two, three, or even four a minute, usually caused by having access to tools and a one-size-fits-all summary. Have seen this way too many times over the years by many different closers, so will not name anyone or provide links. From the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion page, emphasis mine: "A volunteer (the "closing admin") will review the article, carefully read the discussion, weigh all the facts, evidence and arguments presented...." Even the Wikipedia:Closing discussions page says: "The closing editor or administrator will determine if consensus exists, and if so, what it is. To do this, the closer must read the arguments presented." Must read the arguments presented. Often detailed back-and-forth well thought out and argued discussions. Most editors probably assume that a closer has carefully studied the discussion and read and weighed the arguments, and never look at the timing of edits on the closers contributions page. I often have, and wish I hadn't. Randy Kryn ( talk) 06:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Why are politicians allowed to delete their Wikipedia pages? This should not be allowed. I am looking for C.A. Skip Smyser. A former politician, a current politician, and Idaho’s most powerful lobbyist. 69.9.57.193 ( talk) 02:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Jclemens edited the last item of WP:Guide to deletion#You may edit the article during the discussion (shortcut WP:EDITATAFD), and I reverted. It had been rewritten as the result of a RfC in 2009 with the only material update in April 2013, so I would like a new consensus to be demonstrated first. A proposal at WT:Articles for deletion is more likely to be seen, as this page has only 237 watchers. Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Guide to deletion includes a recommendation to consider discussion elsewhere.
History:
I don't agree with softening the tone and diluting the message. The link to WP:ATD-M seems unnecessary, as merging is covered below in WP:Guide to deletion#Recommendations and outcomes.
As a side note, I would have opposed the 2013 removal of the WP:CWW link if I had noticed, as it is why merging/copying is special. Flatscan ( talk) 04:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I just semi-boldly revised this page's "Closure" section to put in explicit guidance. The text replaced was:
If the consensus is to merge the article and the merger would be non-trivial, it is acceptable for the admin to only begin the article merger process by tagging the article.
and the new text is:
If the consensus is to merge the article and the merger would be non-trivial, it is acceptable for the admin to only begin the proposed article merger process by use of appropriate templates (if consensus is not clear on merger target, use {{ Afd-merge required}}; if merger target is clear, use both {{ Afd-merge to}} on source page and {{ Afd-merge from}} on destination talk page).
Note the link labeled "article merger process" is replaced by a different link labeled "proposed article merger process". I believe explicit instructions to use the templates this way are needed, and I don't see where, if anywhere, these are currently provided. It looks good to me to provide the instructions here. -- Doncram ( talk) 16:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
In the article, it says:
If you are the nominator of an article for deletion, your desire to delete it is assumed (unless you specify that you are neutral, and nominating for other reasons). Because of this, you do not get to !vote (that is, for the second time) in your own AfD.
What about the creator of the page that was nominated? Emdosis ( talk) 00:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)