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Alan Shepard

Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 ( talk)

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Despite what you may have heard recently, Alan Shepard was the first American in space. And he's be the first to tell you so if he were here. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 09:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Support: G'day, not a lot stood out to me. Just a few minor observations: AustralianRupert ( talk) 07:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Comments from The Bounder

Nicely put together and very readable. A few very minor quibbles to consider:

All minor pickings in an excellent article; I hope these are of help. All the best, The Bounder ( talk) 09:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the review! Hawkeye7 ( talk) 11:17, 16 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Comments. Interesting read; just a few nitpicks:

  • Opening: difficult to read/parse - chronological order
     Done I have rewritten it in chronological order. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
    I didn't mind having his main 'claim to fame' in the first paragraph, just that the opening sentences were a list of accomplishments and seemed to bounce around. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • 463rd in his class of 915 This doesn't seem particularly remarkable; is there are a reason it's mentioned?
    Yes. Class rank pretty much defines your whole naval career. Being halfway down the list makes becoming an admiral unlikely.
  • More of an observation than a criticism, but it seems strange that he would be an average student with such a high IQ
    Shepard called it "complacency". He was intensely competitive and driven, but was more task oriented. A great deal of effort went into sailing and rowing. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Following the death of Louise's sister in 1956, they raised her niece, Judith, whom they renamed Alice to avoid confusion with Julie, as their own, although they never adopted her There's a lot of subclauses there; perhaps replace one set of commas with dashes?
     Done This is really one of the most bizarre sentences in the article. It also corrects errors in various accounts, including earlier version of the article. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Also, how old was Judith/Alice at the time? Presumably she would have had to have been very young to be renamed like that?
    checkY She was five. Added, although the long sentence is now even longer. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • The squadron was nominally based on the aircraft carrier USS Franklin D. Roosevelt, but it was being overhauled at the time Shepard arrived The ship was or the squadron was?
    checkY The ship. Added. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • He departed on his first cruise, of the Caribbean, with it Again, the ship or the squadron?
    checkY Both. Added. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Do we have dates of his promotions?
    No. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • At one point he was forced to eject from a Vought F7U Cutlass. Are there any more detials on this?
    checkY Yes indeed. I have expanded on it. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • his unfavorable report killed the project Is that speculation or certainty? Do we know what he didn't like about it?
    checkY No, although it would be in the report, which we could dig up. The Wikipedia article says that the Navy didn't want too many Douglas aircraft. Changed to be less definite. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • When reporters rang Shorty Powers for a comment at 4am, he memorably replied: "We're all asleep down here" This is amusing, but isn't a little off-topic for a biography of Shepard?
    checkY Deleted. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Neither Cooper nor McDivitt ever flew in space again. Is this relevant to Shepard's biography?
    checkY Deleted. Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • He was promoted to rear admiral by Nixon one-star or two-star? If one-star, that explains the relevance of McDivitt's rank; otherwise, is it relevant?
    It's complicated. The US Navy eliminated the one-star rank of commodore after World War II. Thereafter (until 1981), there were two grades of rear admiral, "lower half" and "upper half". The former were paid the same as one-star brigadier generals in the Army or Air Force, but both wore two-star insignia. Thus, Shepard (two stars) outranked McDivitt (one star). Hawkeye7 ( talk) 00:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:02, 12 February 2017 (UTC) reply

Support. Happy with the changes. Promotion dates would have made the career progression clearer, but there's nothing we can do about that if the information isn't available. I don't know where you find the time to write about astronauts and paralympians in between your work on the Manhattan Project! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Support
    • All tool checks ok [no dabs, external links work, no repeat links] (no action req'd)
    • Earwig tool reviews no issues with close paraphrase or copy vio, only use of the public domain sources [2] (no action req'd)
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    • I made a few very minor tweaks [3], otherwise this looks like it meets the A class criteria. Anotherclown ( talk) 00:16, 15 February 2017 (UTC) reply

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