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Sul Ross State University Lobos

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Merge with Sul Ross State Lobos. This page was created with an unconventional name when the target page already existed as a redirect. It should be merged with the target page to comply with naming standards on these types of articles (see New Mexico Lobos or Ohio State Buckeyes). JTtheOG ( talk) 06:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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The Plug

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I don't see how this company meets Notability. All sources are just talking about how they sign public figures into their management. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plug Sports. The same creator also uploaded the logo /info/en/?search=File:The_Plug_logo.png took it from the company website which the reference is also shown on the wikipedia logo link. All this just for WP:PROMOTION, WP:COI and WP:PAY. Creator of article needs to be undergoing WP:AFCREVIEW for crosschecking against WP:PROMOTION, WP:COI and WP:PAY.. Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Further comment : Editors should also note that The Plug-In Drug has no relation to do with the said subject The Plug which is nominated for an Afd. Its first AFD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Plug which was speedy delete due to Promotional content.-- Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Plug Sports

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This looks like a WP:PROMOTION to me, Wikipedia Conflict of interest and WP:PAY. It all traced down from the creator who created the article Asa Asika, then created for his company The Plug and now creating branches for the company such as Plug Sports all from one editor who never went through WP:AFCREVIEW. I won't be surprise to see more branches coming up from either the same creator or suck puppet account. The creator also uploaded the image /info/en/?search=File:Plug_Sports.jpg gotten from the company instagram page. Gabriel (talk to me ) 15:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Greater Ozarks Conference

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Fails GNG. The few sources which mention the subject do not constitute significant coverage of it. Gödel2200 ( talk) 02:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. Per WP:AVOIDCOI, making mention that I created the article. Additional information and sources added. Meets GNG's description of significant coverage, "... addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Even when the article had one source, it sufficiently addressed the topic directly and in detail. Regardless, I have added more information to the article, as well as additional citations from additional secondary sources - all of which meet GNG's definition of significant coverage. I have also added an external link, on the article, to the press release report released by the founding schools when it was established - one of the cited sources also links to it. GuyBanks ( talk) 03:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Unless the decision is made to delete all the other articles on individual Missouri high school conferences:
In addition to all the other states high school conferences: Category:United States high school athletic conference navigational boxes

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List of Liverpool F.C. matches in international competitions

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This is an unnecessary and redundant collection of matches that Liverpool have played in international competition. An article outlining the club's record in Europe already exists, we do not need a list of every single match. Considering also that the reader can learn what happened in those matches from the equivalent season articles AND from seasonal competition pages. I understand having smaller lists for clubs that don't usually play in Europe. For example, Burnley's article contains only a few matches, each of which are especially notable. But like most big English clubs, Liverpool play in Europe almost every single season; making most matches almost as notable as any domestic match. A discussion to delete this list reached no consensus just over two years ago now; but I truely believe redundant lists like this have no place on Wikipedia. Idiosincrático ( talk) 22:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep – Due to the club's relevance worldwide, I don't see any problems with a list of international matches existing. This is complementary information and can be easily verified. Svartner ( talk) 11:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
It's also the exact sort of information you used to buy specialty football encyclopedias for. SportingFlyer T· C 14:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Merge and redirect to Liverpool F.C. in international football, I don't know why we need two separate articles, there is plenty of room in the main one to house the list. You say in your nomination, unnecessary and redundant collection of matches I completely disagree with that, further more, the information in the main article clearly shows it's not redundant and appears to be historically necessary. You haven't even posted any policy based argument in your nomination either. Govvy ( talk) 12:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep this is an absolutely valid WP:SPLIT. Most teams will list all of their European matches on their "X team in Europe" page, so deleting this would basically mean that the most followed clubs wouldn't be able to have information about the matches they've played. I don't support a merge, either - the parent article is almost 100Kb as it stands. SportingFlyer T· C 15:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge/redirect per Govvy. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Don't merge. The proposed merge target is already long, already has a bunch of tables in it, and it's a FA. People who want this information can easily just click through to this article; it's not going to become some kind of weird content fork. There's no reason to merge this. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Monarch Mountain (ski area)

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Written like an advertisement, no references cited, no indication of notability. These are long-standing issues (5+ years) with no attempts made by other editors to fix. Ultimately, this could probably be deleted and merged into Monarch Pass. GSK ( talk • edits) 04:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge seems right. Hyperbolick ( talk) 08:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Colorado Snowsports Museum and Hall of Fame (2023). Skiing in Colorado. Charleston, South Carolina: Arcadia Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4671-6055-1. Retrieved 2024-07-01 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Monarch Pass, c. 1936. People have been skiing the mountains surrounding the valley of Monarch Mountain since 1914. Monarch's first unofficial winter season was in 1936, when James Kane and the Salida Winter Sports Club brought a Chevy truck engine up Monarch Pass highway. Other skiers instrumental in the initial opening of the area were Thor Groswold, Sven Wiik, and Charlie Vail. By 1939, the club applied to the US Forest Service for a permit to cut trails, construct a lodge, and erect a lift. The first run cut at Monarch was Gunbarrel, an expert trail with a 30 percent slope. During the first official ski season of 1939–1940, season passes cost $1. Rope tow revenues netted over $50, with 25¢ day tickets. Ownership of the resort changed multiple times, with each change resulting in additional lifts, more terrain, and a base lodge. Stability returned to Monarch in the 1990s after a turbulent decade throughout the 1980s when the area filed for bankruptcy. In 2006, the Mirkwood Basin opened to skiers and riders willing to hike."
2. Mait, Sandy (2021-01-11). "Monarch Mountain: One of Colorado's Best- Kept—and Snowy—Secrets". Ski. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The review notes: "Monarch is rare in the ski-resort world, running on 100 percent natural snow (about 350 inches annually) leading to the resort’s motto “We don’t make snow. Mother Nature does.” The resort’s base elevation of nearly 11,000 feet helps keep the snow fluffy and frequent. And most of the more difficult trails remain un-groomed, providing a true backcountry feel with the ease of chairlift access. And for anyone looking for more than a backcountry feel, there are 130 acres of hike-to terrain."
3. Scoville, Peter (January–February 2012). "Monarch Mountain". Skiing. EBSCOhost 70248700.
  The review notes: "I first discovered Monarch Mountain in the winter of 1995. I was on my annual pilgrimage from the Front Range to Crested Butte for its ski-for-free weekend when we pulled our old Subaru Outback, bottoming out under five ski buddies and gear, off U.S. Highway 50 into the area's dirt parking lot for a pee break. ... Somewhere between cheap lift tickets, nine inches of fresh pow, nonexistent lift lines, and steep shots like Gunbarrel and High Anxiety that filled back in after every lap, I fell in love with Monarch Mountain. We ended the day in the Sidewinder Saloon, Monarch's only bar, for an après-ski scene that embodied all of the comfort and camaraderie a down-home, slopeside watering hole should. Though I didn't realize it then, that chance stop sold me on the beauty of Monarch and reminded me why I love skiing. Fast-forward 16 years, and nothing much has changed at Monarch. It now sports a terrain park and new steep lines and tree runs that came with the 130-acre expansion into Mirkwood Basin, but those improvements only built upon the fundamentals: deep snow, few crowds, and an unpretentious group of hardcore skiers and beginners alike."
  The review provides more information: "Average Snowfall: 350 inches. Skiable Acres: 800. Vertical Feet: 1,162. Advanced/Expert Terrain: 58%. Lift Ticket Price: $57."
4. Osberger, Madeleine (2017-02-10). "Monarch Mountain Keeps it Real". Aspen Daily News. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "For this special occasion, deep-winter getaway, a retro theme seemed apropos, with “most snow” and “funky factor” used as criteria for mountain selection. Monarch Mountain, circa 1939, which has been getting hammered by storms all season, won out. Modest in vertical rise — just 1,162 feet of elevation gain between its 10,790-foot base and the 11,952-foot peak – Monarch packs a lot of punch and fall-line skiing into an area slightly larger than Aspen Mountain. At the start of an early January storm that would drop 35 inches in less than 24 hours, we set out from Aspen for a deceptively long drive given Monarch’s close-as-the-crow-flies location (like Crested Butte) in the central Rockies."
5. Blevins, Jason (2023-10-02). "Monarch Mountain plans new terrain as visitation, pass sales soar". The Colorado Sun. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "Monarch ski area is busy. Pass sales more than doubled in the past three seasons. Skiers have flocked to the Chaffee County ski area, with visitation reaching more than 210,000 in 2022-23, up from 140,000 when Bob Nicolls led his investment group to buy the 800-acre ski area in 2002. "
6. Willard, Heather (2024-03-04). "Monarch Mountain's 377-acre expansion clears environmental assessment". KDVR. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "This project has been years in the making. PowderMonarch LLC, which owns Monarch Mountain ski area, filed its application for the expansion on Oct. 6, 2021. Monarch is also one of the oldest ski areas in the state, having first opened to the public in 1939, according to the Forest Service’s environmental assessment of the project."
7. Boster, Seth (2019-12-16). "In 80th year, party rolls on at Monarch Ski Area". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "The ski area had built itself on grit. Locals in 1936 formed a sports club on the mountain, powering a shoddy rope tow with a six-cylinder truck engine. The pass was finished over the next few years, spelling greater access and higher popularity. ... All the while, Monarch has resisted the industry trend of glitz and conglomeration. Possibly on deck for the future: a terrain expansion on the mountain’s backside, along with another lift."
8. Harmon, Tracy (2014-12-21). "Monarch celebrates 75 happy holidays". The Pueblo Chieftain. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "Monarch Mountain has come a long way from a one-run wonder to the 75-year-old beauty it is today. When Monarch opened in 1939, it was constructed by Works Project Administration workers and featured a 500-foot rope tow driven by a gear box from an old oil derrick. Today, Monarch features six chair lifts and 54 runs plus nearly 1,000 acres of back country skiing opportunities."
9. LeBlanc, Pam (March 2021). "Colorado Ski Gems". Austin Travels Magazine. Archived from the original on 2024-07-01. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "I’ve always bypassed Monarch, assuming it didn’t have enough terrain to keep me interested. I was wrong. The cozy, 800-acre ski area doesn’t have any on-mountain lodging. The closest is the no-frills Monarch Mountain Lodge a few miles away, where you can get a room for about $100 and a free shuttle to the ski resort. Nearby, you can explore restaurants and shops in town, swim laps at the Salida Hot Springs Aquatic Center downtown, or detour over to Mount Princeton Hot Springs Resort after a day of skiing and plop yourself into a pool of steamy water right along a riverbank. Monarch Mountain officially opened as a ski area in 1939, but its off-the-beaten path location means it’s less crowded."
10. Hirschfeld, Cindy (2020-11-25). "7 Places Where the Slopes Are Less Skied". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2022-11-25. Retrieved 2024-07-01.
  The article notes: "For more than 80 years, this central Colorado ski area along the Continental Divide has drawn powderhounds. Its fairly modest size — 800 acres and a 1,100-foot vertical drop — is counterbalanced by 350 inches of average annual snowfall that can stay untracked for several days past a storm, plus guided snowcat skiing on 1,600 additional acres of advanced terrain. Experts also love the hike-to, backcountry-style runs in Mirkwood Basin. Recent required thinning of pine-beetle-stricken trees has opened up more gladed skiing across the mountain. (Denver-based Meier Skis sells custom Monarch models using some of that harvested wood.) Many guests opt to stay in the artsy, riverside town of Salida, 20 miles east."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Monarch Mountain to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard ( talk) 10:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per Cunard's fine research. Sadly we have many articles needing editing improvement for 5+ or even 10+ years, but that doesn't mean the subject isn't notable.-- Milowent • ^has
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Keep per @ Cunard's large number of sources. Mrfoogles ( talk) 08:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Zenith Data Systems Challenge Trophy

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Non-notable individual pre-season friendly club match. Idiosincrático ( talk) 03:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge – with 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results as WP:ATD. Svartner ( talk) 07:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment It would help to add to the Arsenal season, however that would negate any redirect to Club Atlético Independiente the other team in it. Maybe adding a sponsorship section on Zenith Data Systems with a snippet there? I am still not sure of a redirect. But there are sources, a few on the article, one Guardian source in the external link. Maybe some other sources out there. It could be possible for some basic GNG pass here. Not sure know. Guess I am running at an abstain vote here. Govvy ( talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Doesn't merit a redirect. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 ( talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy ( talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG: The only potentially reliable source, the Herald sun article, does not mention his name. — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, no significant independent coverage. Astaire ( talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, fails GNG. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Changing to weak keep per the sources below. A couple of major Australian news outlets wrote articles on Wugol, which is good enough for me. I still think the article needs those references incorporated as in-line citations, not as a vague external link dump. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Do not delete

I found over 5 reliable sources and news article about Manyiel Wugol which shows he’s a well known basketball in Australia . See below

https://pickandroll.com.au/p/bigger-than-basketball-manyiel-wugols

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8102113/sudanese-refugee-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/unstoppable-african-australian-athletes-smashing-through-the-barriers/97b7l6fjq

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/sudanese-refugee-manyiel-wugol-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia-after-death-of-close-friend-alier-riak-c-9888802 SportsFanatic220 ( talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Charlie Olmstead

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Olmstead appeared in six games as a guard for Louisville in 1922 and 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively (including searches in the Louisville newspaper) for SIGCOV without success. I did find and add the family's paid death notice ( here), but such a notice lacks the required independence to contribute to notability. (As far as I can see, there is no obvious redirect target. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

According to Pro Football Archives and this source, the Olmstead who played for Louisville was actually named Larry. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

No SIGCOV under "Larry" either. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Charlie Lanham

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Lanham appeared in two games as a lineman for Louisville, one in 1922 and one in 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively (including searches in the Louisville newspaper) for SIGCOV without success. (Unfortunately, there is no obvious redirect target. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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George Meinhardt

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Meinhardt appeared in 6 games as a lineman for St. Louis in 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. (Note: There was another George Meinhardt football player/coach in St. Louis born c. 1911 who has more extensive coverage, but that's a different person.) A redirect to 1923 St. Louis All-Stars season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1923 St. Louis All-Stars season: Not finding enough WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 03:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Herm Young

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Young appeared in 3 games as a backup player for Providence in 1930.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV and the best I found was this piece announcing his selection as captain of his high school football team. A redirect to 1930 Providence Steam Roller season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 17:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1930 Providence Steam Roller season: Like the nom, I was unable to find the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources in order to meet the WP:GNG. The source in the nom statement wouldn't work for notability purposes per WP:YOUNGATH anyways, which excludes most local content. Let'srun ( talk) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Red Shurtliffe

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Shurtliffe played 4 games for Buffalo in 1929.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. A redirect to 1929 Buffalo Bisons (NFL) season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Alec Anderson (American football, born 1894)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.") I tagged the article for these reasons back in 2022. After more than 18 months without improvement, I redirected it to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921. User:BeanieFan11 reverted and suggested I take it to AfD, so here we are. The only non-database source that's been added is this brief piece, noting that Anderson was selected as a mid-season replacement as captain of the 1920 Georgetown football team. The source has no depth at all - it is not SIGCOV and certainly not enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

BTW, my WP:BEFORE searches only turned up brief mentions, but no SIGCOV. E.g. [1], [2], [3], [4]. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
There's some coverage, e.g. 1 2 3. He was prominent enough that newspapers in the future referred to small centers in the area as being "another Alec Anderson". He was also named to the Times Herald all-time All-Georgetown football team in 1939. I think I could develop this into a C-class article at minimum and possibly into a GA if given the chance (in accordance with WP:NBASIC – If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability), like I've done before with other early NFL players, e.g. Frank Steen or Stan Robb. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I appreciate the effort, but most of what you've found (like what I found) is brief reportage on one of two things: (i) his mid-season appointment as a substitute team captain at Georgetown (BTW, Georgetown lost every game under Anderson's captaincy), and (ii) a minor injury that he suffered while in college. That seems pretty weak as a basis for notability. And one DC sports columnist listing of Anderson on his 1939 list of his favorite Georgetown football players is not remotely close IMO to something that supports notability. Combine that with the fact that there's zilch, zero, nada of substance about his one-game NFL "career". All of this leaves me with the conclusion that Anderson was not a notable NFL player. I know you disagree, but I sincerely believe it and wish we would devote all of this time to improving stubs on NFL players who are actually notable, rather than stretching and straining to create a Frankenstein-ish article by cobbling together bits and pieces of passing mentions about someone's high school and college career. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You can call quality articles on NFL players such as Stan Robb "Frankenstein-ish" if you want, but, officially, it is called a good article. WP:NBASIC – the notability criterion for people – is clear that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. In what way is Wikipedia made better by having Alec Anderson Guard Washington Senators 1921 No Boston College, Holy Cross, Georgetown instead of a good article on the subject? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I've given my thoughts on Anderson. If you want to devote your impressive talents and clear passion to a barely-notable (or IMO non-notable) player like Alec Anderson, you do you. On the other hand, if you would like to collaborate on improving a low-quality, high-importance article (one that tens or hundreds of thousands of people would read), drop a note at my talk page, and I'm all in. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm having trouble with the "another Alec Anderson" link - it knows I have a WL login but says I need to be signed up for a free trial to see the article, which seems off. Can you quote what the source is saying? I agree that referring to other players as "another Alec Anderson" is a pretty good sign that he's notable. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Asilvering: If you're logged into your Newspapers.com account and at the Wikipedia Library url, it should work. But anyway, the quote says: "Here's little Jerry Minihan, who is carded to play center in the Georgetown varsity ... Minihan has fairly earned his job in the middle of the Georgetown line and, with two more years of football at the Hilltop, is quite likely to develop into another Alec Anderson, the best midget center Georgetown ever had." BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hm. This all looks like he was notable in a "people knew who he was" sense but not quite a "wikipedia notable" sense. If you were to pull a WP:HEY on the article I and others might be otherwise convinced, but I don't really see it here. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to of List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921 per nom. Fails GNG as the sources above appear to be routine mentions. Willing to reconsider if additional coverage is found so please ping me. Frank Anchor 14:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921: Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple secondary sources to meet the WP:GNG. All that has been presented here are routine mentions, and a search for sources in newspaper archives didn't come up with anything better. Let'srun ( talk) 23:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Joseph Chrape

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. A redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Note there are a couple sources referring to a "George Chrape" playing for Minneapolis in 1929. This may or may not be the same person but no SIGCOV for "George Chrape" either. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
There's a possibility he may be covered in the book Mill City Scrum: The History of Minnesota's First Team in the National Football League. I remember another user mentioning last year that there was a 70 word bio for one of the team's one-game NFL players, whereas he played nine. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That's possible, but "chrape" is an unusual name, which allowed me to do very broad searches, and I was unable to come up with anything of substance. If my redirect suggestion is followed, the redirect could be reconsidered at a later date if more sourcing turns up. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season: As per the nom, I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this subject after searching multiple newspaper archives. Redirect as a WP:ATD, with no prejudice against recreating should additional sourcing emerge, Let'srun ( talk) 23:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season per all above. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Boston College–Syracuse football rivalry

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I don't think this is an actual rivalry. In a WP:BEFORE search (to learn more about the rivalry) I couldn't find any article which actually describes a rivalry. For instance this article only mentions that they're one of the protected scheduling games, but nothing about an actual rivalry. SportingFlyer T· C 16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment. I don't know enough about American football to have any opinion. However, transferring the question to British, French or Spanish football clubs, I would say that there are real long-standing rivalries between Everton and Liverpool, between Glasgow Rangers and Celtic, between Paris St Germain and Olympique de Marseille, and between Barcelona and Real Madrid. However, the fact that two teams may have played against one another a number (even a large number) of times doesn't constitute a "rivalry". In the present I probably agree with SportingFlyer that there is no real rivalry. Athel cb ( talk) 17:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete There's a rivalry between these teams? I don't see any sources to confirm that. And Adoil Descended ( talk) 19:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I'm unable to find any sources discussing these two teams as having a rivalry. Per WP:NRIVALRY, sports rivalries aren't inherently notable. Let'srun ( talk) 20:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Leaning Keep: Teams were rivals in the Big East and as Eastern Independents, according to a reliable source following their move to the ACC. I would like to see more source discovery from the pre-internet, pre-ACC timeframe. PK-WIKI ( talk) 22:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Not convinced by the sourcing. First source mentions a rivalry but is just a routine game preview, the second is a bit better but it is prefaced with "it could become the conferences hottest matchup" (in other words WP:CRYSTAL), while the final source mentions a rivalry and talks about the previous game the two teams played but doesn't provide the in-depth coverage of a rivalry I expect. Let'srun ( talk) 13:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The second source functionally says it's not a rivalry. SportingFlyer T· C 13:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

* Associated Press, 1981, "The college football rivals, linked by a relatively short tradition..."

* The Boston Globe, 2001, "Rivalry a nice finishing touch — Orangemen at end is a golden idea

* The Boston Globe, 2014, "The heated rivalry between Boston College and Syracuse, a pair of old Big East and Eastern Independent football opponents..."

Weak delete per lack of SIGCOV. Of the three refs provided by PK-WIKI, only the 2014 Boston Globe ref provides limited coverage of the rivalry series as a whole and can possibly be considered SIGCOV; that alone is not enough for a GNG pass. The other two refs are WP:ROUTINE coverage, with little description of the teams as rivals. Frank Anchor 19:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Roman Pritt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this rugby league footballer to meet WP:GNG. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 15:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Minimal coverage Mn1548 ( talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Unable to find anything more than passing mentions of this subject, with no WP:SIGCOV available to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 12:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I've looked around for information about this rugby league player, but most of what I can find are just brief mentions. Without more prominent sources discussing their career, it might be difficult to demonstrate notability. Waqar 💬 16:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

1895 Pacific Tigers football team

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After reviewing this article, I am not convinced that it meets the WP:GNG or WP:NSEASONS. The only source is a database, and I'm not finding the sources needed to meet the notability guidelines. Let'srun ( talk) 02:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Given that every other season on Pacific's football history has an article, I think some kind of merger would probably be best so that the information on this one is not lost. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 02:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Do you actually have a suggestion for a merge, perhaps to a combined season article? I'm all ears, but looking at 1898 and 1899, I'm not seeing much for those seasons either... Let'srun ( talk) Let'srun ( talk) 02:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Not to mention, there isn't much info here to save, considering the only source. Let'srun ( talk) 02:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Pacific Tigers football, 1895–99, perhaps? Or maybe extend it to include a few of their next seasons? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 02:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't see coverage to meet NSEASONS even for that range, at least from a first glance at the sources in those articles and elsewhere. 1898 has only the database and a very short recap, while the 1899 one has only the database and a long section devoted to the rules of the game in the era with no references to the actual team. Reasonable minds may differ. Let'srun ( talk) 02:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep, this is the first game and the first season of the team's history. The year is a matter of record and the season covered to some extent in the sourcing. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

covered to some extent in the sourcing Where? All I'm seeing is one line in a database entry here. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete (without prejudice). Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS due to the lack of WP:SIGCOV. Pacific was a major program in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s but not so in the 1890s. Indeed, the program was practically non-existent prior to 1919 -- a grand total of five games played between 1895 and 1918 (zero wins, one tie, four losses, 11 total points scored). If someone some day wants to create an article on the early history of the Pacific football program, it might possibly be viable, but I certainly don't have the time or inclination to work on that when there are so many more worthwhile topics to pursue. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge to Pacific Tigers football, 1895–1899. Jweiss11 ( talk)

@ Jweiss11: Two issues with your suggestion: 1) a closer cannot redirect to a redlink so that's not viable unless someone creates it; and (2) is there SIGCOV to support the proposed article? Cbl62 ( talk) 19:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

It's probably worth the editing time to create the proposed article, though, and merging the very small amount of information. The 1898 and 1899 articles aren't in great shape either, and it's possible the game(s) which were played were indeed covered in local papers of the time. SportingFlyer T· C 17:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete fails WP:GNG. Wikipedia is also not a directory. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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C. J. Chatham

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Career minor-league player who last played professionally in April 2022, topped out in Triple-A. Not notable to warrant a Wikipedia page; citations fall in line with what is expected to be published about any minor-league professional athlete. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 21:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Some coverage: [5] [6] [7] [8]. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: The first two sources proffered by BeanieFan11, combined with [ [9]] and [ [10]] each provide multiple paragraphs of WP:SIGCOV with which to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 22:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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( Discuss) – Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews ( Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. -- BX ( talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG: The only potentially reliable source, the Herald sun article, does not mention his name. — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, no significant independent coverage. Astaire ( talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, fails GNG. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Changing to weak keep per the sources below. A couple of major Australian news outlets wrote articles on Wugol, which is good enough for me. I still think the article needs those references incorporated as in-line citations, not as a vague external link dump. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Do not delete

I found over 5 reliable sources and news article about Manyiel Wugol which shows he’s a well known basketball in Australia . See below

https://pickandroll.com.au/p/bigger-than-basketball-manyiel-wugols

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8102113/sudanese-refugee-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/unstoppable-african-australian-athletes-smashing-through-the-barriers/97b7l6fjq

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/sudanese-refugee-manyiel-wugol-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia-after-death-of-close-friend-alier-riak-c-9888802 SportsFanatic220 ( talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Road Safety World Series

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No evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage to pass WP:GNG. This event and all of its (so far 2) seasons falls foul of WP:NOTINHERITED- just because some notable people played in the event, this doesn't make the event itself notable, as it's a clear GNG failure. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Per nom. AA ( talk) 16:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. Per nom and this league has not sustained and has not attracted noteworthy significant attention for notability. Two seasons were played with the last in 2022. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus ( talk) 13:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I don't see any evidence that it's been covered by reliable sources for a long time. Perhaps if the event gains more traction and consistent coverage in the future, it could be recreated then. Waqar 💬 18:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Legends League Cricket

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No evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage to pass WP:GNG. This event and all of it's (so far 2) seasons falls foul of WP:NOTINHERITED- just because some notable people played in the event, this doesn't make the event itself notable, as it's a clear GNG failure. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:GNG, WP:OFFCRIC, and WP:EVENT. Its whole existence is based around WP:INHERITED and has no WP:LASTING. AA ( talk) 16:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
matches of this league are covered by sources like ESPNcricinfo, etc. Vikas265 ( talk) 17:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
So what? Cricinfo has scorecard coverage of lots of matches, that doesn't make them notable. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 06:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Vikas265:. Cricinfo has scorecards of early 2000s club matches, doesn't make the leagues notable. Most of what you introduce just isn't notable. AA ( talk) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete: Per the nom, this league does not meet the WP:GNG or WP:NORG. Routine match reports, statistics and coverage of individual players don't cut it for notability, and that is pretty much all I'm seeing here. Let'srun ( talk) 20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Rocky Flintoff

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Non-notable cricketer, who hasn't played at first-class/List A/Twenty20 level. Under-19 cricketers are deemed non-notable and most of his coverage seems to come as a result of his famous father, so WP:NOTINHERITED applies. An article can be created once he makes his senior debut. AA ( talk) 12:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep passes GNG easily. Do we have an SNG being abused to deny wider community norms here? Where does it say under 19 cricketers are always non notable. This is no ordinary cricketer here but the son of a cricket icon. Easily passes notability standards and his coverage reflects his own efforts and not his Dad’s. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

So basically your whole argument is WP:INHERITED. PS: I don't abuse anything on this site. WP:NCRIC says: "...cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level...". AA ( talk) 16:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And GNG requires 2 sources and outranks NCRIC Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

No response on WP:NOTINHERITED, which this clearly is... AA ( talk) 13:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Meh you twist and twist but the coverage is about him Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Unclear that he passes GNG - County 2nd XI would not generally make GNG, no major honours (per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Of citations, overwhelming majority are framed in terms of his father ( WP:NOTINHERITED) - e.g. "Inside Freddie Flintoff's life with his adorable family...", Biggest test for Flintoff's talented sons...", "Freddie Flintoff's son, Rocky,...", "Andrew Flintoff's son makes...". He may well progress beyond county cricket into first class & intl - but he hasn't yet WP:LAGGING. Hemmers ( talk) 14:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Widespread coverage across the world in the BBC, Sky Sports, The Times, Malaysia Sun, Times of India, News18, The Independent, The Telegraph, Wisden, ESPNCricinfo and the list goes on. Yes the articles often mention his father in the headline or the article themselves but that is going to be the case his entire life unless he manages to totally surpass what his father achieved which is a high bar to set. The articles themselves are about him, not his father, and as such he easily passes the coverage test. Shrug02 20:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. A lot of convenient ignoring of WP:NOTINHERITED going on here. If his father was Joe Bloggs, a plumber from Cleethorpes, there wouldn't be any coverage. I might start adding club cricketers with loads of coverage in county newspapers. AA ( talk) 21:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
We shall never know as his father isn't "Joe Bloggs, a plumber from Cleethorpes". But many of the players selected to play for England under 19s get media coverage despite not having famous fathers and also I would think that whoever broke a record set by Andrew Flintoff would at the very least get coverage in and around the Lancashire area and probably further afield too. But again we will never know as that isn't what happened, it was his son who broke the record. Shrug02 ( talk) 22:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
But the Second XI Championship has never been a high enough level of cricket to be deemed notable. Its matches hold no status, and as such are and have been considered since I've been here (2010) to be non-notable. Same with Under-19 cricket; there are countless Under-19 cricketers who have been deleted over the years, because that level of cricket also isn't notable and carries no match status. Just like many associate cricketers who have played T20I cricket aren't notable... AA ( talk) 22:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

We are not an indiscriminate collection of any and all cricket trivia: WP:OFFCRIC. AA ( talk) 22:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
And again you put your sng over the gng Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:OFFCRIC is a depreciated guideline that doesn't overrule WP:GNG. If someone has significant coverage to pass WP:GNG then they are entitled to an article regardless of the level of cricket they have played. Similarly, just because someone has played in a certain high level of cricket, that doesn't man they're automatically notable. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep yes he gets more coverage as the son of Andrew Flintoff, but he has exceptional levels of coverage about him/his career compared to most others at his level. And the coverage of him passes WP:GNG. Just because most articles have half an article about him then half an article about his father, that does not invalidate the coverage about him in these articles. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And as there is coverage about Rocky Flintoff and his cricket career, then WP:NOTINHERITED is not correct assertion in my opinion. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Women's Premier League (cricket) captains

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK, and violates WP:NOTDATABASE as almost the entire content of the article is just a copy of the ESPNCricinfo source [11]. Just because the men's IPL has this article (which I also don't necessarily agree with), that doesn't mean this article meets WP:NLIST, as I don't see significant coverage about these captains grouped together in news sources (i.e. not just copies of the table). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Per nom. The page does not meet notability guidelines WP:FAILN and WP:NLIST. RangersRus ( talk) 12:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: For full transparency, I'm just noting that I mentioned this list was nominated for deletion at the featured list nomination here. Hey man im josh ( talk) 13:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: There are other pages for list of captains as well; see Category:Lists of cricket captains. They have the same sort of sources as well; what difference does it make? Vestrian24Bio ( TALK) 11:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Most of these are captains of teams, rather than captains at tournaments (apart from BPL and IPL, neither of which seem notable either). Why would we need a list of every captain ever at one competition? Also, WP:OSE applies to this rationale. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 12:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
How does CFORK applies here? Vestrian24Bio ( TALK) 14:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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2009 Vitonen – Finnish League Division 5

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Fails WP:NOTSTATS, because very few care about - and cover - the sixth thier of football in a country of 6 million where ice hockey is the national sport. At one stage we stop to provide tables for amateur sport, and Vitonen is firmly below that threshold. Geschichte ( talk) 20:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Mustafa Kardeen

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Had a brief career and seems to lack WP:SIGCOV. I found Al-Sharq, but it's just a brief transfer announcement with a quote from the player. Other than that, I could only find Lusail News, Raya and Al-Kass, all of which were just passing mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Yordan Penev

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Penev had a very brief professional career, playing only one top level match, and I am unable to find sources that comply with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I found Varnautre and Varna 24 but these are only simple match report mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, strog failure of GNG. Geschichte ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Fitim Reçi

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Reçi debuted at a very young age but has now been inactive for over six years and I'm struggling to find any non-database sources on him. Does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC based on my Albanian source searches. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, utter GNG failure. Geschichte ( talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann ( talk) 20:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Ragib Shahriar Ankon

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Product of BLP1E. dxneo ( talk) 14:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Such Guinness World Records holders are ousted by others. If not ousted for decades, then we can have WP:SIGCOV. Seems BLP1E with WP:TOOSOON with no WP:GNG Twinkle1990 ( talk) 16:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, concurring with Twinkle1990. GWRs are able to be gamed with money, so it's an unreliable metric of achievement. SWinxy ( talk) 01:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

2019 CAFA U-16 Championship

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage Mdann52 ( talk) 08:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

1. the initial delete nomination (lack independent sourcing):

Link 1 by Khovar.tj National Information Agency of Tajikistan/ not related to CAFA

Link 2 Tasnim News Agency an Iranian new agency Independent from CAFA

Link 3 Turkmen news agency which is also Independent from CAFA

Link 4 Sport.kg an Information Agency; Sport.kg is the only specialized portal in Kyrgyzstan

and many more; that i will add to the article to enhance it sourcing

2. The tournament is organized by the Central Asian Football Association (CAFA), which oversees football in Central Asia. CAFA is a member of the AFC and, therefore, FIFA. As an international competition between member nations, the tournament holds significant notability. This is particularly relevant now, as some footballers who participated in the tournament are becoming prominent figures in Central Asian football and across Asia. The tournament shall be cited as the beginning of their international careers, further emphasizing its importance. Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I included more resources from other independent sources such as:
jomhornews.com, m.kun.uz, trt.net.tr, and sport.kg. Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 10:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
GiantSnowman can you please specify what's make a tournament notable enough; so i can send the sources that adresse it ? Lunar Spectrum96 ( talk) 12:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Significant coverage - the sources above are WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 13:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Matchday 1:

Tajikistan v Uzbekistan at sports.uz

Kyrgyzstan v Afghansitan at sport.kg

Matchday 2:

Uzbekistan v Iran at Tasnimnews.com

Uzbekistan v Iran at Sports.uz

Tajikistan v Kyrgyzstan at avesta.tj

Matchday 3:

Iran v Afghanistan at Irannewsdaily.com

Iran v Afghanistan at farsi.alarabiya.net

Iran v Afghanistan at avapress.com

Kyrgyzstan v Uzbekistan at sport.kg

Matchday 4:

Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at Turkmenportal.com

Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at sport.kg

Turkmenistan v Kyrgyzstan at Kabar.kg

Afghanistan v Uzbekistan at sputnik.af

Afghanistan v Uzbekistan at dzen.ru

Matchday 5:

Kyrgyzstan v Iran at Tansimnews.com

Tajikistan v Afghanistan at sputnik.af

Iran

All matches reports at toopball.com

Kyrgyzstan

Kyrgystan at for.kg

Other tournament reports
Champion at rus.ozodi.org

Championship at nm.tj

Schedule at ilna.ir

Should I add more? The tournament's matches were covered by all the top news agencies in Central Asia.

Also Asian Football Confederation did post all these covering the tournament
Matchday 1

Matchday 2

Matchday 3

Matchday 4

Matchday 5

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2014 Schalke 04 Cup

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As a friendly tournament, the matches were of no consequence. Thus, 10 years later, we can clearly see that the tournament was not noteworthy, wasn't important in the world of football and got a corresponding lack of coverage (apart from reports of the matches). The level of detailed coverage on display (goalscorers, match kick-off times, table) is therefore not needed, with the entry failing WP:NOTINHERITED (notability not being inherited from the participating teams), WP:MILL, WP:SUSTAINED and WP:NOTSTATS among others. Geschichte ( talk) 20:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep – It is self-evident that a friendly tournament will not change the course of football history, but the record of a competition that brought together four top-tier clubs in Europe does not seem impertinent to me, and the records of the matches and other relevant information are all available for verification. As there were no more editions to stabilize the competition, as occurred with the Audi Cup, I understand the nomination, but I do not see sufficient reason to eliminate the article. Svartner ( talk) 08:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete no evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability, and thus doesn't meet WP:GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect and part merge to 2014–15 FC Schalke 04 season, there is a bizarre notion that pre-seasons have no bering on club seasons, well they can, from injuries to key players, a club debut for another player. I don't see a need for this AfD at this level. There is a scattering effect of information and then there is no information. How in-depth to you want an article to be. It could easily be kept with good coverage. But I don't see the point here. Clearly no thought to a redirect or adding certain information to the other club season articles. Govvy ( talk) 20:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Katlego Malebane

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No notability for this child sportsperson, lack of sources that are significant and secondary. Geschichte ( talk) 17:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: The subject seems like a young athlete, and there just isn't enough independent information about them yet. Waqar 💬 18:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: This subject does not have the significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG or WP:YOUNGATH. Quite possibly WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun ( talk) 19:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

2024 Caribbean Queen's Tournament

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The only sources that cover this friendly football tournament are run-of-the-mill announcements that the tournament will occur and reporting of the results. This tournament meets neither WP:NEVENT nor WP:GNG. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 15:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. There is some coverage that is more than run of the mill. The topic may move in the direction of notability for the tournament series, not for the editions. The proposed is an annual edition, however, and it is early for such historic perspective. So delete. gidonb ( talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete not enough significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: The sources are just basic announcements, and it's too early to say if the tournament itself will be historically significant. Waqar 💬 18:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Eve Vorley

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BLP1E. Football club directors are not inherently notable and by coverage this is a pure BLP1E as the appointment of a porn/glamour performer caused some noise at the time. Beyond that, nothing. Not by her real name or alias Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a former glamour model, pornographic actress, nor film director. She being an English football club director is considered to be WP:ONEEVENT. — YoungForever ^(talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: where she is mentioned; merge what's necessary. Not opposed to keep, given existing coverage - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: Subject lacks the needed sustained coverage to meet the WP:GNG and does not meet WP:CREATIVE. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 19:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hamizul Izaidi

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No notability for this footballer who played 61 minutes in the Malaysian league. Sources are databases or transfer statements. Geschichte ( talk) 02:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Haziq Mu'iz

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No notability for this footballer who played 24 minutes in the Malaysian league. Sources are databases or transfer statements. Geschichte ( talk) 02:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kang Ryong-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is also a stub, no major edits since its last revision in July 2023. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
- Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as suggested by Svartner, where the footballer's name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect – To 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner ( talk) 08:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kang Myong-sam

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only one source listed that seems to be a database, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Jong Su-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only one database source listed this article is absolutely unacceptable! There are four corresponding articles in Chinese, Egyptian Arabic, German, and Italian – but none of them even provide a single significant coverage of this men's footballer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 08:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Jong Kwang-sok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! There are two interlanguage Wikipedia articles in Chinese and German, but neither of them provide significant coverage for this men's footballer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 08:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Shooters United Padne

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PROD and draftification contested by creator. No WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to meet WP:GNG ( Google search). Teams must meet WP:GNG per WP:NTEAM. Notability is not inherited. C F A 💬 17:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Kerala Premier League, or draftify, with the possibility of an article sometime in the future if they gain some significant coverage. The best I could find in a WP:BEFORE search in English or Malayalam (ഷൂട്ടേഴ്സ് യുണൈറ്റഡ്) was passing mentions in the Times of India [12] and Manorama [13]. Wikishovel ( talk) 18:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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REDIRECT Redirect ( H:REDIR) this to Kerala Premier League, this is a part of Kerala Premier League, it doesn't need to be a page. ~ Spworld2 ( talk) 04:42, 04 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I have blocked the primary contributor to this article and several apparent sockpuppet accounts active around Kerala football for apparent UPE coupled with generally disruptive editing. If the outcome of this discussion is redirect or delete, the page should be EC-protected to halt disruption by this sockpuppet cluster. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect as a valid WP:ATD, and protect the redirect to stop page recreation. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 08:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Dennis D'Arcy

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Fails GNG. An newspapers.com search found no SIGCOV. This Dennis D'Arcy isn't to be confused with the one that died in a car accident in 1963 or the non league footballer for Watton. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Montrose F.C.#Other notable players where he is mentioned as a 'Hall of Fame' inductee. Giant Snowman 19:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Dougal18 and GiantSnowman: The British Newspaper Archive seems to bring up some coverage, e.g. [14] [15] [16]. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't have access, what do the sources say, is it significant enough in your view? Giant Snowman 20:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I forgot to check the BNA. I don't have access so I can't read the sources, just the headlines. Dougal18 ( talk) 08:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Source #1 (1980) is about ~400 words on him being hired as a coach. It says, excluding some quotes from D'Arcy and content on the club rather than him (note that spelling may not be perfect):
FORMER Montrose and Arbroath centre half Dennis D’Arcy last night became the new player-coach Peterhead. The powerful pivot has accepted the club's terms ... Dennis spent 10 seasons with Montrose and had a three-month spell at Qayfield and there has been a rush for his services, with Elgin City and Clach being unsuccessful. D'Arcy takes over from team manager Colin Grant, who has stepped down to become the club's first commercial manager. Dennis should be personality player for the Recreation Park side, though he would not be drawn on where he would play. With big John Slevwright and former schoolboy international James Taylor having held down the central defensive bertha for the past three seasonk, there could be some rearguard reshuffle on the cards, but the new boss has an open mind. Peterhead chairman Robbie Warrender raid last night: "Dennis made a highly favourable Impression on our committee and we feel «fe have fixed up the right type of man get us back among the honoura. “We are meeting Dennis again next week to discuss certain details of how things will be run, but after going through a great many names, we are happy with our choice of player-coach." ... Peterhead will have big Charlie Barbour, signed from Arbroath, leading the attack next season and if new boas D’Arcy can build an attack round Barbour, then Buchan hopes will be high. Dennis will be hoping he Is as successful in North soccer as was his brother, Brian D’Arcy, who won two Highland League championship medals with Inverness Thistle in the early 7ds.

Source #2 (1983) is about him returning to Montrose. It states:
Dennis D’Arcy, one of the most popular players ever to wear a Montrose F.C. shirt, last Wednesday took over as manager of the club, thirteen days after the shock resignation of Steve Murray. Dennis was a Montrose player for almost 11 years. He has maintained friendly links with the club and has been a regular visitor since he was given a surprise free transfer in 1980. During his eleven years at the club as a player D'Arcy was involved in Montrose F.C.’s most successful era. They finished third in the old second division in 1974- 75, the last season before reconstruction then the following season finished third in the new Division One. Their cup exploits too, put the club in the limelight. In 1975 they reached the Eeaguc Cup semi-final beating Hibs along the way before losing to Rangers. In the Scottish Cup they came within seconds of beating Hearts before finally losing after two replags. n leaving Montrose D’Arcy played with Arbroath for a short spell, followed this with a period as playermanager at Peterhead, then most recently played with Deveronvale. The new manager takes over at a time when the club’s fortunes are at their lowest for many years. They lie third bottom of the league and suffered a Scottish Cup defeat at the hands of grora Rangers. D’Arcy aims to recapture the spirit of the successful sides of the 1970’s and the directors have promised him their full support. He is under no illusions about the task which lies ahead or the amount of hard work required, but is calling on the players to back him 1n his efforts. A small amount of cash could be made available to the new boss but Montrose will not be embarking on any spending sprees and every member of staff will be given the chance to prove that they have a part to play.

Source #3 (1973) is about him being 'confident' of victory in the Scottish cup. Content includes:
The tie will provide one of the brightest Montrose prospects, Aberdonian Dennis D'Arcy, a 21-year-old former schoolboy international centre half, with his toughest test yet for his immediate opponent is John Duncan, clear leader in the Scottish First Division ... D'Arcy, whose brother Brian plays for Inverness Thistle, has made steady improvement this season and he's not losing sleep over his impending clash with Duncan ... A former pupil of Aberdeen Grammar School, D'Arcy attracted the attention of Everyton, Charlton, Leicester and Bristol Rovers during his spell with Walker Road Youth Club. He is still young enough to revive English interest in his future and a good display against Duncan could do the trick.

@ Dougal18 and GiantSnowman: BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
These look OK to me, I'm inclined to keep if the article can be updated accordingly with this info/sourcing? Giant Snowman 16:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Those are just routine match previews and contract signings. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Lean towards Keep Over 300 Scottish football league games played, there are some sources about to show basic GNG, article could do with a cleanup for sure, but the negation is not a reason for deletion. Govvy ( talk) 18:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kai Rooney

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I believe that the subject fails WP:GNG (another case of WP:TOOEARLY). Let's just take a step back here. Are we being serious? Why is a 14 year old playing in an academy getting a Wikipedia article? There is nothing to suggest this kid will be a professional one day. He's just Wayne Rooney's kid playing for Man United's academy. There is no article about Cristiano Ronaldo Jr., although there is arguably more coverage there. Are we gonna make articles for all football-playing sons of famous footballers? I think we need to really take a step back and think before we make such articles way too early.
Short: I don't think Kai Rooney is notable.
I wouldn't be against either merging this to Wayne Rooney or just draftifying and seeing how the next few years go (with someone upkeeping the draft as time passes). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment - this article was created by the same user who created Cristiano Ronaldo Jr — see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristiano Ronaldo Jr as this may be a very similar situation. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or redirect to Wayne Rooney. In addition to too early and GNG, this is also a clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, or redirect to Wayne Rooney - My personal view on articles on minors is that they need to be held to a higher standard than other BLPs, since a Wikipedia article has the potential to irrevocably destroy the subject's private life. Another thing weighing against this is that, even when there were top-level-game appearance criteria in WP:NSPORT, U## leagues (read: leagues specifically for minors) were never considered acceptable. I'm not impressed with the sourcing here, as it seems to be entirely routine stuff only being amplified because of his parents' notoriety. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads
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Delete, or redirect to Wayne Rooney—I personally think these types of articles are useless. I also agree with Jéské Couriano above. Anwegmann ( talk) 02:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect to Wayne Rooney as we did with previous similar AfD cases, such as Cristiano Ronaldo Jr. History is preserved if Kai Rooney gets media attention as he grows up. If this AfD resulted in redirect, I also would recommend to protect the redirect page to prevent future creation. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Nashville SC-Inter Miami Rivalry

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Per WP:NRIVALRY, sports rivalries are not presumed notable. The article is fully unsourced and there is no evidence of notability of this rivalry (no coverage in reliable sources found, and the article itself claims the rivalry has only started in 2020). Broc ( talk) 06:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Zero sources, no indication that there is a real rivalry. Svartner ( talk) 10:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete Another pointless head to head, WP:NOSTATS article! The people that create these need to be WP:TROUTed. Govvy ( talk) 12:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Strong delete. No references, no mention of this as a rivalry at either of the clubs' articles. — C.Fred ( talk) 13:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Per nominator. Doesn't meet WP:NRIVALRY. Also, I did some googling on this subject and couldn't find anything that said anything about a rivalry, but I did find matches against one another. I'm concerned about the article's creation being nominated by an apparent new user who created it on the same day. Normanhunter2 ( talk) 13:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)strike sock-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Once Messi leaves Inter Miami, this is going to be just as much a rival as Dolphins/Titans (as in non-existent). Would've been rejected in draftspace, where it did not originate. Nate • ( chatter) 16:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: This article seems to lack reliable sources to back up the rivalry claim. While matches exist, rivalry needs a stronger foundation. Waqar 💬 17:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Even though there is probably something of a burgeoning rivalry between the teams, this is definitely a WP:TNT situation. Doesn't help that all of the citations are primary and are predominantly routine match reporting. Maybe someday, but not this article. Jay eyem ( talk) 22:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, to call this a rivalry looks like trying to introduce a novel idea. Geschichte ( talk) 01:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kem Vanda

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they were created by the same user and they all are only based on database entries:

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 11:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. NB in future please do not bundle like this! Giant Snowman 20:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Liverpool F.C. matches in international competitions

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This is an unnecessary and redundant collection of matches that Liverpool have played in international competition. An article outlining the club's record in Europe already exists, we do not need a list of every single match. Considering also that the reader can learn what happened in those matches from the equivalent season articles AND from seasonal competition pages. I understand having smaller lists for clubs that don't usually play in Europe. For example, Burnley's article contains only a few matches, each of which are especially notable. But like most big English clubs, Liverpool play in Europe almost every single season; making most matches almost as notable as any domestic match. A discussion to delete this list reached no consensus just over two years ago now; but I truely believe redundant lists like this have no place on Wikipedia. Idiosincrático ( talk) 22:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep – Due to the club's relevance worldwide, I don't see any problems with a list of international matches existing. This is complementary information and can be easily verified. Svartner ( talk) 11:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
It's also the exact sort of information you used to buy specialty football encyclopedias for. SportingFlyer T· C 14:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Merge and redirect to Liverpool F.C. in international football, I don't know why we need two separate articles, there is plenty of room in the main one to house the list. You say in your nomination, unnecessary and redundant collection of matches I completely disagree with that, further more, the information in the main article clearly shows it's not redundant and appears to be historically necessary. You haven't even posted any policy based argument in your nomination either. Govvy ( talk) 12:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep this is an absolutely valid WP:SPLIT. Most teams will list all of their European matches on their "X team in Europe" page, so deleting this would basically mean that the most followed clubs wouldn't be able to have information about the matches they've played. I don't support a merge, either - the parent article is almost 100Kb as it stands. SportingFlyer T· C 15:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge/redirect per Govvy. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Don't merge. The proposed merge target is already long, already has a bunch of tables in it, and it's a FA. People who want this information can easily just click through to this article; it's not going to become some kind of weird content fork. There's no reason to merge this. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Pov Ponvuthy

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte ( talk) 02:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - doesn't look like the individual has received any significant coverage at all. C 679 09:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Nop David

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 11:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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I think this can be fixed - there's specific coverage of him in Cambodian, though I did the search yesterday and forgot to comment here. It will take some work though, non-Latin script languages are always a bit harder. SportingFlyer T· C 15:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kuantan City F.C.

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Newly-founded amateur football club, not enough coverage to fulfill WP:GNG Broc ( talk) 15:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - cannot see any evidence of notability at the article. No significant achievements. No in-depth independent coverage. C 679 13:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Khwezi Khoza

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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo ( talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo ( talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo ( talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner ( talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I looked for some reliable sources about this player, but couldn't find much beyond participation lists. Seems like it might be better placed elsewhere. Waqar 💬 17:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Zenith Data Systems Challenge Trophy

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Non-notable individual pre-season friendly club match. Idiosincrático ( talk) 03:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge – with 1989–90 Arsenal F.C. season#Results as WP:ATD. Svartner ( talk) 07:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment It would help to add to the Arsenal season, however that would negate any redirect to Club Atlético Independiente the other team in it. Maybe adding a sponsorship section on Zenith Data Systems with a snippet there? I am still not sure of a redirect. But there are sources, a few on the article, one Guardian source in the external link. Maybe some other sources out there. It could be possible for some basic GNG pass here. Not sure know. Guess I am running at an abstain vote here. Govvy ( talk) 10:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Doesn't merit a redirect. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Arjun Tudu

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie ( talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus ( talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar 💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep - @ RangersRus:, @ Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [17], [18], [19], [ [20], [21], [22], [23], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply
Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

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ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie ( talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
"called up to the senior India national team" is not notability. If he played for national team, that would be something to consider. If he was just called up then it is also case of WP:TOOSOON. RangersRus ( talk) 19:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Thats one of my more minor points, my point is that he was considered such a good player and significant figure in Indian lower leagues that he was called up to senior nationl team. This proves my point that all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Either way, he has many secondary sources about him. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 23:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I never said has to meet both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. I am saying he passes neither. Doesn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL because he hasn't played professional football and the sources that exist don't justify WP:GNG Coderzombie ( talk) 09:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Tell me how this article doesnt meet WP:GNG. Im listening... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team.. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Arjun Tudu's page should be deleted because he doesn't have enough coverage in reliable sources to meet the notability standards. Yakov-kobi ( talk) 14:00, 05 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - to the closer, nobody has explained how he doesnt pass WP:GNG which he clarly does... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

TJ Rovinka

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This is a long-unsourced article of a football club that seems to have never played in the highest Slovak First Football League. I can't find any significant coverage of this club that meets WP:GNG. My Google searches, even with "site:.sk" next to the club's name, only come up with club's official website and match reports, the former of which is not independent. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia has been tagged for notability issues for years, which certainly may not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment. The team played on the third tier continuously from 2014 to 2022, and participated in the national cup. That's usually more than enough to merit inclusion. They might not be called "TJ Rovinka" in the coverage, probably just Rovinka. Geschichte ( talk) 20:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia, where it can be added. That article is in need of an update/clean up anyway... Giant Snowman 18:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak keep A list of Sportnet articles show the club has been consistently covered in local press in spite of refusing a promotion recently: [24] SportingFlyer T· C 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Most of them are paywalled, though. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
That doesn't matter. SportingFlyer T· C 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia per above. This is an awful article with almost nothing behind it. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Article notability is based on the overall notability of the topic, not the state of the article. SportingFlyer T· C 09:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia – Per above. Svartner ( talk) 08:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

World Unity Football Alliance

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An "international football" organization article that is a WP:HOAX in its current form. Walsh90210 ( talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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No comment on GNG, but this is very clearly not a hoax. SportingFlyer T· C 19:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
- As but one example: there is a "Karen" team listed under Asia, but it is a local group in Minnesota. Walsh90210 ( talk) 19:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  You are likely unaware that the Karen are an ethnic group from Myanmar who have a diaspora in Minneapolis. SportingFlyer T· C 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  
  The Karen Football Association, which you can find can find plenty of details about through internet searches are a Karen diaspora group based in Minneapolis. Sherms95 ( talk) 13:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  The Kashmir team is a local club in Bradford. The organization (and the article) pretense to be "national teams for sub-national entities", but it isn't; it's a few random local clubs with ethnic ties that signed up for a press release with this group. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – It may not be HOAX, but it didn't even organize any competition to be relevant. Svartner ( talk) 13:27, 12 June 2024

That's not true - the BBC even lists Chagos as the winner of one of their competitions: [25] SportingFlyer T· C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak Keep Most of the coverage isn't independent, but there's some coverage, including from Bradford, [26], BBC mentions, the Non-League Football Paper, and the nomination was based on a mis-understanding. SportingFlyer T· C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
They basically do not organize any relevant competitions, a single mention does not prevent failure in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 18:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep per above. This is clearly not a hoax, and SportingFlyer makes a good point. It's weak, admittedly, but it's a keep for me right now. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
- The article is a hoax, because it conflates "national team" with "expat team", and relies on puffery from primary sources to the degree that it makes claims that are demonstrably false. Some actual organization may exist; but it is entirely "we let people put out press releases that pretense to importance which we do not have". Walsh90210 ( talk) 02:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  No, a hoax is generally something that's completely fictional, whereas this is an actual organisation similar to ConIFA. SportingFlyer T· C 09:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep: There is some coverage of this alliance, [27], [28], talk about it but are not the primary subject of the article. Forbes article directly about the group [29]. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Heather Cooper

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Prod was removed by an editor who added sources. However, almost all the sources are primary. E.g. from Handball Australia. The ABC source is third party but it's not WP:SIGCOV. Winning the Oceania Cup isn't much of an achievement given the weakness of competition. LibStar ( talk) 23:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Roman Pritt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this rugby league footballer to meet WP:GNG. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 15:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Minimal coverage Mn1548 ( talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Unable to find anything more than passing mentions of this subject, with no WP:SIGCOV available to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 12:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I've looked around for information about this rugby league player, but most of what I can find are just brief mentions. Without more prominent sources discussing their career, it might be difficult to demonstrate notability. Waqar 💬 16:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Andrew Kneisly

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [30] [31] [32] [33]. Mn1548 ( talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply
- The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao ( talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao ( talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao ( talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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CJ Cortalano

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was coverage of his high school wrestling days. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pro footballer who played at the 2017 RLWC. Fleets ( talk) 11:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

As you know, participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. Biographies of living persons require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Only one appearance for a minor RL country, minimal sourcing, nothing on his club carer. Mn1548 ( talk) 08:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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2023 Deans Trophy season

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Apparently non notable school rugby competition involving only six schools. Mccapra ( talk) 03:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Devon Martinus

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 07:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [34], rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [35], none turn up. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Heather Cooper

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Prod was removed by an editor who added sources. However, almost all the sources are primary. E.g. from Handball Australia. The ABC source is third party but it's not WP:SIGCOV. Winning the Oceania Cup isn't much of an achievement given the weakness of competition. LibStar ( talk) 23:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Mustafa Kardeen

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Had a brief career and seems to lack WP:SIGCOV. I found Al-Sharq, but it's just a brief transfer announcement with a quote from the player. Other than that, I could only find Lusail News, Raya and Al-Kass, all of which were just passing mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Yordan Penev

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Penev had a very brief professional career, playing only one top level match, and I am unable to find sources that comply with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I found Varnautre and Varna 24 but these are only simple match report mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, strog failure of GNG. Geschichte ( talk) 19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The Plug

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I don't see how this company meets Notability. All sources are just talking about how they sign public figures into their management. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plug Sports. The same creator also uploaded the logo /info/en/?search=File:The_Plug_logo.png took it from the company website which the reference is also shown on the wikipedia logo link. All this just for WP:PROMOTION, WP:COI and WP:PAY. Creator of article needs to be undergoing WP:AFCREVIEW for crosschecking against WP:PROMOTION, WP:COI and WP:PAY.. Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Further comment : Editors should also note that The Plug-In Drug has no relation to do with the said subject The Plug which is nominated for an Afd. Its first AFD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Plug which was speedy delete due to Promotional content.-- Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Reçi debuted at a very young age but has now been inactive for over six years and I'm struggling to find any non-database sources on him. Does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC based on my Albanian source searches. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, utter GNG failure. Geschichte ( talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann ( talk) 20:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Plug Sports

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This looks like a WP:PROMOTION to me, Wikipedia Conflict of interest and WP:PAY. It all traced down from the creator who created the article Asa Asika, then created for his company The Plug and now creating branches for the company such as Plug Sports all from one editor who never went through WP:AFCREVIEW. I won't be surprise to see more branches coming up from either the same creator or suck puppet account. The creator also uploaded the image /info/en/?search=File:Plug_Sports.jpg gotten from the company instagram page. Gabriel (talk to me ) 15:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Jana Labáthová

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There are some mentions on online newspapers of her being paired with Nada Daabousová in the synchronized swimming competition at the 2016 Summer Olympics, but I could not find any in-depth coverage of Labáthová herself that would pass WP:GNG. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. No news about Labáthová have been reported since then either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Martin Tišťan

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Athletics because I could not find enough in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. The only decent source I found is Netky where he was disqualified, but it looks nowhere near significant. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect per nom. Does not satisfy the criteria at WP:NATH, so a redirect is the best option. Gödel2200 ( talk) 15:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Ben Koenderink

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Non-notable skater; ~~no medal placement at any level~~; medal placement at the junior level does not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE; no competition beyond junior level; absolutely fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 2009 Dutch Figure Skating Championships#Pairs per GNG, ATD, and cheap. Please also dewiki at the target and anywhere else. gidonb ( talk) 23:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: I found [ [36]] but without additional coverage this should probably be redirected. Let'srun ( talk) 22:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
That is not even in the same time zone as "significant coverage". Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Additionally, you want to redirect this to a Dutch competition, but the "coverage" you've cited refers to his participation at a juvenile-level Canadian competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I haven't yet voted. Let'srun ( talk) 02:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Viva Van

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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [37], rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [38], none turn up. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Katlego Malebane

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No notability for this child sportsperson, lack of sources that are significant and secondary. Geschichte ( talk) 17:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: The subject seems like a young athlete, and there just isn't enough independent information about them yet. Waqar 💬 18:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: This subject does not have the significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG or WP:YOUNGATH. Quite possibly WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun ( talk) 19:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Eve Vorley

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BLP1E. Football club directors are not inherently notable and by coverage this is a pure BLP1E as the appointment of a porn/glamour performer caused some noise at the time. Beyond that, nothing. Not by her real name or alias Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG, WP:ENT, and WP:CREATIVE. No significant coverage of her as a former glamour model, pornographic actress, nor film director. She being an English football club director is considered to be WP:ONEEVENT. — YoungForever ^(talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: where she is mentioned; merge what's necessary. Not opposed to keep, given existing coverage - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to David_Sullivan_(businessman)#Personal_life: Subject lacks the needed sustained coverage to meet the WP:GNG and does not meet WP:CREATIVE. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 19:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Rocky Flintoff

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Non-notable cricketer, who hasn't played at first-class/List A/Twenty20 level. Under-19 cricketers are deemed non-notable and most of his coverage seems to come as a result of his famous father, so WP:NOTINHERITED applies. An article can be created once he makes his senior debut. AA ( talk) 12:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep passes GNG easily. Do we have an SNG being abused to deny wider community norms here? Where does it say under 19 cricketers are always non notable. This is no ordinary cricketer here but the son of a cricket icon. Easily passes notability standards and his coverage reflects his own efforts and not his Dad’s. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

So basically your whole argument is WP:INHERITED. PS: I don't abuse anything on this site. WP:NCRIC says: "...cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level...". AA ( talk) 16:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And GNG requires 2 sources and outranks NCRIC Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

No response on WP:NOTINHERITED, which this clearly is... AA ( talk) 13:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Meh you twist and twist but the coverage is about him Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Unclear that he passes GNG - County 2nd XI would not generally make GNG, no major honours (per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Of citations, overwhelming majority are framed in terms of his father ( WP:NOTINHERITED) - e.g. "Inside Freddie Flintoff's life with his adorable family...", Biggest test for Flintoff's talented sons...", "Freddie Flintoff's son, Rocky,...", "Andrew Flintoff's son makes...". He may well progress beyond county cricket into first class & intl - but he hasn't yet WP:LAGGING. Hemmers ( talk) 14:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Widespread coverage across the world in the BBC, Sky Sports, The Times, Malaysia Sun, Times of India, News18, The Independent, The Telegraph, Wisden, ESPNCricinfo and the list goes on. Yes the articles often mention his father in the headline or the article themselves but that is going to be the case his entire life unless he manages to totally surpass what his father achieved which is a high bar to set. The articles themselves are about him, not his father, and as such he easily passes the coverage test. Shrug02 20:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. A lot of convenient ignoring of WP:NOTINHERITED going on here. If his father was Joe Bloggs, a plumber from Cleethorpes, there wouldn't be any coverage. I might start adding club cricketers with loads of coverage in county newspapers. AA ( talk) 21:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
We shall never know as his father isn't "Joe Bloggs, a plumber from Cleethorpes". But many of the players selected to play for England under 19s get media coverage despite not having famous fathers and also I would think that whoever broke a record set by Andrew Flintoff would at the very least get coverage in and around the Lancashire area and probably further afield too. But again we will never know as that isn't what happened, it was his son who broke the record. Shrug02 ( talk) 22:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
But the Second XI Championship has never been a high enough level of cricket to be deemed notable. Its matches hold no status, and as such are and have been considered since I've been here (2010) to be non-notable. Same with Under-19 cricket; there are countless Under-19 cricketers who have been deleted over the years, because that level of cricket also isn't notable and carries no match status. Just like many associate cricketers who have played T20I cricket aren't notable... AA ( talk) 22:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

We are not an indiscriminate collection of any and all cricket trivia: WP:OFFCRIC. AA ( talk) 22:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply
And again you put your sng over the gng Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:OFFCRIC is a depreciated guideline that doesn't overrule WP:GNG. If someone has significant coverage to pass WP:GNG then they are entitled to an article regardless of the level of cricket they have played. Similarly, just because someone has played in a certain high level of cricket, that doesn't man they're automatically notable. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep yes he gets more coverage as the son of Andrew Flintoff, but he has exceptional levels of coverage about him/his career compared to most others at his level. And the coverage of him passes WP:GNG. Just because most articles have half an article about him then half an article about his father, that does not invalidate the coverage about him in these articles. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

And as there is coverage about Rocky Flintoff and his cricket career, then WP:NOTINHERITED is not correct assertion in my opinion. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hamizul Izaidi

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No notability for this footballer who played 61 minutes in the Malaysian league. Sources are databases or transfer statements. Geschichte ( talk) 02:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Haziq Mu'iz

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No notability for this footballer who played 24 minutes in the Malaysian league. Sources are databases or transfer statements. Geschichte ( talk) 02:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 03:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kang Ryong-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is also a stub, no major edits since its last revision in July 2023. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
- Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as suggested by Svartner, where the footballer's name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect – To 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner ( talk) 08:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kang Myong-sam

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only one source listed that seems to be a database, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Jong Su-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only one database source listed this article is absolutely unacceptable! There are four corresponding articles in Chinese, Egyptian Arabic, German, and Italian – but none of them even provide a single significant coverage of this men's footballer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 08:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Jong Kwang-sok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! There are two interlanguage Wikipedia articles in Chinese and German, but neither of them provide significant coverage for this men's footballer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 08:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Dennis D'Arcy

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Fails GNG. An newspapers.com search found no SIGCOV. This Dennis D'Arcy isn't to be confused with the one that died in a car accident in 1963 or the non league footballer for Watton. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Montrose F.C.#Other notable players where he is mentioned as a 'Hall of Fame' inductee. Giant Snowman 19:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Dougal18 and GiantSnowman: The British Newspaper Archive seems to bring up some coverage, e.g. [39] [40] [41]. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't have access, what do the sources say, is it significant enough in your view? Giant Snowman 20:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I forgot to check the BNA. I don't have access so I can't read the sources, just the headlines. Dougal18 ( talk) 08:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Source #1 (1980) is about ~400 words on him being hired as a coach. It says, excluding some quotes from D'Arcy and content on the club rather than him (note that spelling may not be perfect):
FORMER Montrose and Arbroath centre half Dennis D’Arcy last night became the new player-coach Peterhead. The powerful pivot has accepted the club's terms ... Dennis spent 10 seasons with Montrose and had a three-month spell at Qayfield and there has been a rush for his services, with Elgin City and Clach being unsuccessful. D'Arcy takes over from team manager Colin Grant, who has stepped down to become the club's first commercial manager. Dennis should be personality player for the Recreation Park side, though he would not be drawn on where he would play. With big John Slevwright and former schoolboy international James Taylor having held down the central defensive bertha for the past three seasonk, there could be some rearguard reshuffle on the cards, but the new boss has an open mind. Peterhead chairman Robbie Warrender raid last night: "Dennis made a highly favourable Impression on our committee and we feel «fe have fixed up the right type of man get us back among the honoura. “We are meeting Dennis again next week to discuss certain details of how things will be run, but after going through a great many names, we are happy with our choice of player-coach." ... Peterhead will have big Charlie Barbour, signed from Arbroath, leading the attack next season and if new boas D’Arcy can build an attack round Barbour, then Buchan hopes will be high. Dennis will be hoping he Is as successful in North soccer as was his brother, Brian D’Arcy, who won two Highland League championship medals with Inverness Thistle in the early 7ds.

Source #2 (1983) is about him returning to Montrose. It states:
Dennis D’Arcy, one of the most popular players ever to wear a Montrose F.C. shirt, last Wednesday took over as manager of the club, thirteen days after the shock resignation of Steve Murray. Dennis was a Montrose player for almost 11 years. He has maintained friendly links with the club and has been a regular visitor since he was given a surprise free transfer in 1980. During his eleven years at the club as a player D'Arcy was involved in Montrose F.C.’s most successful era. They finished third in the old second division in 1974- 75, the last season before reconstruction then the following season finished third in the new Division One. Their cup exploits too, put the club in the limelight. In 1975 they reached the Eeaguc Cup semi-final beating Hibs along the way before losing to Rangers. In the Scottish Cup they came within seconds of beating Hearts before finally losing after two replags. n leaving Montrose D’Arcy played with Arbroath for a short spell, followed this with a period as playermanager at Peterhead, then most recently played with Deveronvale. The new manager takes over at a time when the club’s fortunes are at their lowest for many years. They lie third bottom of the league and suffered a Scottish Cup defeat at the hands of grora Rangers. D’Arcy aims to recapture the spirit of the successful sides of the 1970’s and the directors have promised him their full support. He is under no illusions about the task which lies ahead or the amount of hard work required, but is calling on the players to back him 1n his efforts. A small amount of cash could be made available to the new boss but Montrose will not be embarking on any spending sprees and every member of staff will be given the chance to prove that they have a part to play.

Source #3 (1973) is about him being 'confident' of victory in the Scottish cup. Content includes:
The tie will provide one of the brightest Montrose prospects, Aberdonian Dennis D'Arcy, a 21-year-old former schoolboy international centre half, with his toughest test yet for his immediate opponent is John Duncan, clear leader in the Scottish First Division ... D'Arcy, whose brother Brian plays for Inverness Thistle, has made steady improvement this season and he's not losing sleep over his impending clash with Duncan ... A former pupil of Aberdeen Grammar School, D'Arcy attracted the attention of Everyton, Charlton, Leicester and Bristol Rovers during his spell with Walker Road Youth Club. He is still young enough to revive English interest in his future and a good display against Duncan could do the trick.

@ Dougal18 and GiantSnowman: BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
These look OK to me, I'm inclined to keep if the article can be updated accordingly with this info/sourcing? Giant Snowman 16:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Those are just routine match previews and contract signings. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Lean towards Keep Over 300 Scottish football league games played, there are some sources about to show basic GNG, article could do with a cleanup for sure, but the negation is not a reason for deletion. Govvy ( talk) 18:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Charlie Olmstead

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Olmstead appeared in six games as a guard for Louisville in 1922 and 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively (including searches in the Louisville newspaper) for SIGCOV without success. I did find and add the family's paid death notice ( here), but such a notice lacks the required independence to contribute to notability. (As far as I can see, there is no obvious redirect target. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

According to Pro Football Archives and this source, the Olmstead who played for Louisville was actually named Larry. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

No SIGCOV under "Larry" either. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Kai Rooney

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I believe that the subject fails WP:GNG (another case of WP:TOOEARLY). Let's just take a step back here. Are we being serious? Why is a 14 year old playing in an academy getting a Wikipedia article? There is nothing to suggest this kid will be a professional one day. He's just Wayne Rooney's kid playing for Man United's academy. There is no article about Cristiano Ronaldo Jr., although there is arguably more coverage there. Are we gonna make articles for all football-playing sons of famous footballers? I think we need to really take a step back and think before we make such articles way too early.
Short: I don't think Kai Rooney is notable.
I wouldn't be against either merging this to Wayne Rooney or just draftifying and seeing how the next few years go (with someone upkeeping the draft as time passes). Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment - this article was created by the same user who created Cristiano Ronaldo Jr — see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristiano Ronaldo Jr as this may be a very similar situation. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 22:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete or redirect to Wayne Rooney. In addition to too early and GNG, this is also a clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, or redirect to Wayne Rooney - My personal view on articles on minors is that they need to be held to a higher standard than other BLPs, since a Wikipedia article has the potential to irrevocably destroy the subject's private life. Another thing weighing against this is that, even when there were top-level-game appearance criteria in WP:NSPORT, U## leagues (read: leagues specifically for minors) were never considered acceptable. I'm not impressed with the sourcing here, as it seems to be entirely routine stuff only being amplified because of his parents' notoriety. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads
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Delete, or redirect to Wayne Rooney—I personally think these types of articles are useless. I also agree with Jéské Couriano above. Anwegmann ( talk) 02:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect to Wayne Rooney as we did with previous similar AfD cases, such as Cristiano Ronaldo Jr. History is preserved if Kai Rooney gets media attention as he grows up. If this AfD resulted in redirect, I also would recommend to protect the redirect page to prevent future creation. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Charlie Lanham

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Lanham appeared in two games as a lineman for Louisville, one in 1922 and one in 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively (including searches in the Louisville newspaper) for SIGCOV without success. (Unfortunately, there is no obvious redirect target. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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C. J. Chatham

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Career minor-league player who last played professionally in April 2022, topped out in Triple-A. Not notable to warrant a Wikipedia page; citations fall in line with what is expected to be published about any minor-league professional athlete. Dmoore5556 ( talk) 21:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Some coverage: [42] [43] [44] [45]. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: The first two sources proffered by BeanieFan11, combined with [ [46]] and [ [47]] each provide multiple paragraphs of WP:SIGCOV with which to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 22:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

George Meinhardt

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Meinhardt appeared in 6 games as a lineman for St. Louis in 1923.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. (Note: There was another George Meinhardt football player/coach in St. Louis born c. 1911 who has more extensive coverage, but that's a different person.) A redirect to 1923 St. Louis All-Stars season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1923 St. Louis All-Stars season: Not finding enough WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 03:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Herm Young

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Young appeared in 3 games as a backup player for Providence in 1930.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV and the best I found was this piece announcing his selection as captain of his high school football team. A redirect to 1930 Providence Steam Roller season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 17:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1930 Providence Steam Roller season: Like the nom, I was unable to find the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources in order to meet the WP:GNG. The source in the nom statement wouldn't work for notability purposes per WP:YOUNGATH anyways, which excludes most local content. Let'srun ( talk) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Red Shurtliffe

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Shurtliffe played 4 games for Buffalo in 1929.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. A redirect to 1929 Buffalo Bisons (NFL) season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Nop David

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 11:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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I think this can be fixed - there's specific coverage of him in Cambodian, though I did the search yesterday and forgot to comment here. It will take some work though, non-Latin script languages are always a bit harder. SportingFlyer T· C 15:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Pov Ponvuthy

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte ( talk) 02:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - doesn't look like the individual has received any significant coverage at all. C 679 09:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Kem Vanda

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Broc ( talk) 20:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they were created by the same user and they all are only based on database entries:

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 11:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. NB in future please do not bundle like this! Giant Snowman 20:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Alec Anderson (American football, born 1894)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.") I tagged the article for these reasons back in 2022. After more than 18 months without improvement, I redirected it to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921. User:BeanieFan11 reverted and suggested I take it to AfD, so here we are. The only non-database source that's been added is this brief piece, noting that Anderson was selected as a mid-season replacement as captain of the 1920 Georgetown football team. The source has no depth at all - it is not SIGCOV and certainly not enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

BTW, my WP:BEFORE searches only turned up brief mentions, but no SIGCOV. E.g. [48], [49], [50], [51]. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
There's some coverage, e.g. 1 2 3. He was prominent enough that newspapers in the future referred to small centers in the area as being "another Alec Anderson". He was also named to the Times Herald all-time All-Georgetown football team in 1939. I think I could develop this into a C-class article at minimum and possibly into a GA if given the chance (in accordance with WP:NBASIC – If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability), like I've done before with other early NFL players, e.g. Frank Steen or Stan Robb. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I appreciate the effort, but most of what you've found (like what I found) is brief reportage on one of two things: (i) his mid-season appointment as a substitute team captain at Georgetown (BTW, Georgetown lost every game under Anderson's captaincy), and (ii) a minor injury that he suffered while in college. That seems pretty weak as a basis for notability. And one DC sports columnist listing of Anderson on his 1939 list of his favorite Georgetown football players is not remotely close IMO to something that supports notability. Combine that with the fact that there's zilch, zero, nada of substance about his one-game NFL "career". All of this leaves me with the conclusion that Anderson was not a notable NFL player. I know you disagree, but I sincerely believe it and wish we would devote all of this time to improving stubs on NFL players who are actually notable, rather than stretching and straining to create a Frankenstein-ish article by cobbling together bits and pieces of passing mentions about someone's high school and college career. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You can call quality articles on NFL players such as Stan Robb "Frankenstein-ish" if you want, but, officially, it is called a good article. WP:NBASIC – the notability criterion for people – is clear that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. In what way is Wikipedia made better by having Alec Anderson Guard Washington Senators 1921 No Boston College, Holy Cross, Georgetown instead of a good article on the subject? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I've given my thoughts on Anderson. If you want to devote your impressive talents and clear passion to a barely-notable (or IMO non-notable) player like Alec Anderson, you do you. On the other hand, if you would like to collaborate on improving a low-quality, high-importance article (one that tens or hundreds of thousands of people would read), drop a note at my talk page, and I'm all in. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm having trouble with the "another Alec Anderson" link - it knows I have a WL login but says I need to be signed up for a free trial to see the article, which seems off. Can you quote what the source is saying? I agree that referring to other players as "another Alec Anderson" is a pretty good sign that he's notable. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Asilvering: If you're logged into your Newspapers.com account and at the Wikipedia Library url, it should work. But anyway, the quote says: "Here's little Jerry Minihan, who is carded to play center in the Georgetown varsity ... Minihan has fairly earned his job in the middle of the Georgetown line and, with two more years of football at the Hilltop, is quite likely to develop into another Alec Anderson, the best midget center Georgetown ever had." BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hm. This all looks like he was notable in a "people knew who he was" sense but not quite a "wikipedia notable" sense. If you were to pull a WP:HEY on the article I and others might be otherwise convinced, but I don't really see it here. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to of List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921 per nom. Fails GNG as the sources above appear to be routine mentions. Willing to reconsider if additional coverage is found so please ping me. Frank Anchor 14:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929)#1921: Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple secondary sources to meet the WP:GNG. All that has been presented here are routine mentions, and a search for sources in newspaper archives didn't come up with anything better. Let'srun ( talk) 23:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Joseph Chrape

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. A redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Note there are a couple sources referring to a "George Chrape" playing for Minneapolis in 1929. This may or may not be the same person but no SIGCOV for "George Chrape" either. Cbl62 ( talk) 21:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
There's a possibility he may be covered in the book Mill City Scrum: The History of Minnesota's First Team in the National Football League. I remember another user mentioning last year that there was a 70 word bio for one of the team's one-game NFL players, whereas he played nine. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 21:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

That's possible, but "chrape" is an unusual name, which allowed me to do very broad searches, and I was unable to come up with anything of substance. If my redirect suggestion is followed, the redirect could be reconsidered at a later date if more sourcing turns up. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season: As per the nom, I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this subject after searching multiple newspaper archives. Redirect as a WP:ATD, with no prejudice against recreating should additional sourcing emerge, Let'srun ( talk) 23:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to 1929 Minneapolis Red Jackets season per all above. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Roman Pritt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this rugby league footballer to meet WP:GNG. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 15:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Unable to find anything more than passing mentions of this subject, with no WP:SIGCOV available to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun ( talk) 12:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I've looked around for information about this rugby league player, but most of what I can find are just brief mentions. Without more prominent sources discussing their career, it might be difficult to demonstrate notability. Waqar 💬 16:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Khwezi Khoza

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As Khoza is playing at school level only, WP:YOUNGATH applies. The guideline itself states that It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability. and that players like Khoza can only be notable if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is: (1) independent of the subject; and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. COSAFA is the only source that is close to decent but even that doesn't seem to address Khoza in significant detail. CAF Online doesn't seem to mention Khoza at all. I found SS Schools and Windhoek Observer but even these are just mentions in a school tournament recap, so not enough to count as WP:SIGCOV. This was moved to mainspace from Draft:Khwezi Khoza prematurely. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I have seen some of this creator's work like a day ago and I don't wanna lie, it's really not impressive at all. Remember UJ Stadium? If I'm not mistaken, that's their work, and this too. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Please see some of their work. dxneo ( talk) 13:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

My biggest concern is that a lot of these footballers are children (probably 14 or 15 years old) and it's just not appropriate for them to have an article here, even if the personal info is extremely limited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Spiderone, I don't think their age is the problem. Ethan Mbappe was created when he was 13/14. This creators work lack WP:SIGCOV and he sometimes cite references that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. dxneo ( talk) 13:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Fair enough. My guess would be that the article creator works closely with South African youth players, hence the influx of articles and, in some cases, original research. Unlike Ethan Mbappe, Khoza doesn't seem to be a public figure so I think that we can both agree that this article shouldn't be here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I totally agree with you. This article and probably most if not all of the creator's work are not Wikipedia material. Therefore, I am leaning towards delete per nom and it's just TOOSOON. dxneo ( talk) 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete – Since it was previously attempted draftify. The sources present only record competitions that the player participated, without indepth coverage. Svartner ( talk) 13:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I looked for some reliable sources about this player, but couldn't find much beyond participation lists. Seems like it might be better placed elsewhere. Waqar 💬 17:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 ( talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 ( talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing ( talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering ( talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy ( talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Andries Mahoney

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Devon Martinus

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby footballer. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 07:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Yevhen Kholoniuk

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment. NSKATE is wrong and should never have been adopted. So many articles about champion skaters are being deleted. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Wang Qingyun

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Veronika Kropotina

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Arjun Tudu

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie ( talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus ( talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar 💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep - @ RangersRus:, @ Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [52], [53], [54], [ [55], [56], [57], [58], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. reply
Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

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ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie ( talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann ( talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
"called up to the senior India national team" is not notability. If he played for national team, that would be something to consider. If he was just called up then it is also case of WP:TOOSOON. RangersRus ( talk) 19:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Thats one of my more minor points, my point is that he was considered such a good player and significant figure in Indian lower leagues that he was called up to senior nationl team. This proves my point that all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Either way, he has many secondary sources about him. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 23:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I never said has to meet both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. I am saying he passes neither. Doesn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL because he hasn't played professional football and the sources that exist don't justify WP:GNG Coderzombie ( talk) 09:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Tell me how this article doesnt meet WP:GNG. Im listening... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team.. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Arjun Tudu's page should be deleted because he doesn't have enough coverage in reliable sources to meet the notability standards. Yakov-kobi ( talk) 14:00, 05 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment - to the closer, nobody has explained how he doesnt pass WP:GNG which he clarly does... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Andrea Diewald

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I removed the PROD as I am concerned with the BEFORE being conducted by the nom. Let'srun ( talk) 17:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Alexandra Kunová

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per nomination. There are two interlanguage Wikipedia in German and Japanese, but neither of them provide significant coverage in reliable sources. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia in 2009, possibly due to BLP concerns. My Google came up with other women of the same name than this figure skater, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: Doesn't the win at the Slovak Figure Skating Championships qualify the subject for a WP:NSKATE pass? That being said, the subject may still not meet WP:GNG, but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun ( talk) 17:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I was told over and over that WP:NSKATE is merely a guideline, and in this case, one national gold medal didn't lead to any sort of notability or significant coverage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Correct. However, the subject meets that guideline so why would you cite it in your nomination statement as a reason to delete the article? Let'srun ( talk) 18:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Luka Čadež

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Michael Hopfes

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: There are some sources which mention the subject as a coach and skater such as [ [59]] and [ [60]]. Not sure if it merits being kept but this is not uncontroversial. Let'srun ( talk) 17:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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With only database source listed, the article of this luger certainly fails WP:GNG. All that came up in my Google search were an interview and trivial mentions; no indication of independent fact checking. Corresponding Czech Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which might help copy over English article otherwise. He was not even one of the top three luge winners at the 2010 Winter Olympics. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Andrew Kneisly

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG ( talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [61] [62] [63] [64]. Mn1548 ( talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply
- The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao ( talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao ( talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao ( talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Marek Solčanský

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage about this luger to meet WP:GNG. All I found on news websites were passing mentions of his participation at the tournament. He was not even on top three luge winners. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia on 18 November 2018, possibly due to BLP concerns. The only interlanguage wiki available is Norsk Bokmål (Norwegian) Wikipedia but it listed exactly the same sources as the English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep the article meets the notability criteria for athletes, having competed in the Winter Olympics and achieved notable rankings in World Championships and World Cups. Yakov-kobi ( talk) 20:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from independent, reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG. Participating in the Olympics no longer grants inherent notability. Redirect as a WP:ATD per the nom. Let'srun ( talk) 02:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply

CJ Cortalano

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was coverage of his high school wrestling days. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - Pro footballer who played at the 2017 RLWC. Fleets ( talk) 11:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

As you know, participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. Biographies of living persons require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Only one appearance for a minor RL country, minimal sourcing, nothing on his club carer. Mn1548 ( talk) 08:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Irina Nikolaeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: There appears to be a professor and a fashion model with this same name that pop up in the search for sources, but I have no idea if those are the same person. I find nothing about a figure skater; this fails notability, Oaktree b ( talk) 15:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: The corresponding article in Russian has some decent coverage of this subject. At the very least, there is enough to meet WP:NBASIC. Let'srun ( talk) 20:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: Sources discussing the subject are found at [ [65]], [ [66]], [ [67]] and [ [68]] Let'srun ( talk) 17:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Nothing significant in any of those sources. #2 is a fan blog. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Of the sources linked by Let'srun above, 1 is a profile on the (defunct) website of her skating coach (and thus not independent), 2 and 3 are blogs, and 4 is not WP:SIGCOV. Sources in the article don't qualify toward WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT, and as nominator points out she doesn't meet WP:NSKATE. If more sources are found, please ping me and I'll take another look. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 12:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG: The only potentially reliable source, the Herald sun article, does not mention his name. — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, no significant independent coverage. Astaire ( talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, fails GNG. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Changing to weak keep per the sources below. A couple of major Australian news outlets wrote articles on Wugol, which is good enough for me. I still think the article needs those references incorporated as in-line citations, not as a vague external link dump. SportsGuy789 ( talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Do not delete

I found over 5 reliable sources and news article about Manyiel Wugol which shows he’s a well known basketball in Australia . See below

https://pickandroll.com.au/p/bigger-than-basketball-manyiel-wugols

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8102113/sudanese-refugee-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia/

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/unstoppable-african-australian-athletes-smashing-through-the-barriers/97b7l6fjq

https://thewest.com.au/sport/basketball/sudanese-refugee-manyiel-wugol-chases-basketball-dream-in-australia-after-death-of-close-friend-alier-riak-c-9888802 SportsFanatic220 ( talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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