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The result was redirect to Carbon, Indiana. Star Mississippi 17:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Pontiac, Indiana
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So what do you do when the only substantive source basically says that this place never really amounted to anything, i.e., it isn't really notable? That's what the county history says: the place was laid out on speculation, but in the end the railroad either picked the more northerly route it has now, o wasn't built at all (the text doesn't make this clear). What we're left with is a crossroads with some houses and "Carbon Church", which I can't find much about besides a FB page. Also, the location given is just wrong. Older topos put the label in the right place, but round about 2013 both it and Carbon are shown about 1/2 mile west of their actual locations; they fixed Carbon but not Pontiac. Mangoe ( talk) 13:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Indiana. Shellwood ( talk) 14:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Carbon, Indiana. There does seems to have been a small settlement there, but this 1915 map simply identifies the site as "South Carbon" (which makes sense since it's less than half a mile from the town). The few other old maps I found that showed it as a populated site didn't name it at all, and none mentioned Pontiac. Given the site's lack of notability, the presence of "Carbon Church", the fact that it's right on the edge of the larger town, etc., I don't think it merits its own article. I recommend redirecting to Carbon, Indiana. I can also add a brief mention of the site to the Carbon article. ╠╣uw [ talk 16:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Cottage Hill, Indiana
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An area on the west side of Brazil, I'm not getting reading on whether it was ever considered a town unto itself. What I can see of it looks like maybe a neighborhood, maybe just a locale.... Right now it's just a phrase on a map and the name of a cemetery. Mangoe ( talk) 10:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete. Current only sources is the GNIS, which has been ruled unreliable/not counted as official legal recognition by WP:NGEO. Likely just a hill. OpenStreetMap puts the label right next to the cemetery, on the outskirts of Brazil, Indiana. Mrfoogles ( talk) 07:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Cottage Hill was one end of an interurban streetcar line to Harmony, Indiana. [1] that opened in 1893 and probably went out of business in the 1920s or 1930s. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 14:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Fisher, Vicky. "When the trains stopped" (PDF). Bell Memorial Public Library.
- I tried to get information on this line, without a great deal of success. Everyone talking about it says that the east end was in Harmony; but they they don't all say that the west end was in Cottage Hill. I neve found a source that showed a map of the line. And again, this is a passing reference: stations and stops ae not the same thing as towns. Mangoe ( talk) 04:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This is a particularly bad nomination; a simple newspaper search will generate hundreds of articles and mentions. See, for example, just whipping up a random something-something quickly for our purposes here, THIS town coverage from a special correspondent, datelined Cottage Hill, from the South Bend Tribune of June 25, 1908. Carrite ( talk) 04:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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THIS from a 1911 issue of the Brazil Daily Times mentions a "Cottage Hill band" giving a box supper at "Cottage Hill school".
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- None of these more or less passing references says that Cottage Hill is a town unto itself and not just a neighborhood of Brazil. Mangoe ( talk) 04:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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THIS from a 1911 issue of the Brazil Daily Times mentions a "Cottage Hill band" giving a box supper at "Cottage Hill school".
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier ( talk) 15:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Carrite. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk) 23:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete my search shows a gazetteer from the 1860s showing it was listed as a post office. [1] on page 530 talks about the person who bought a farm and cleaned the place up and then created the Cottage Hill cemetery using his surname as a possessive pronoun. I'm also not convinced by the newspaper clippings which have been presented so far. One is from South Bend and all the other small places it lists are from the greater South Bend region, but this is on the other side of Indiana, and the second just shows there was a school named Cottage Hill. I'm willing to be convinced, but I think this was a post office and cemetery and farm based on my research, and I typically will tend to vote Keep on these things. SportingFlyer T· C 15:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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leaning delete.- I can't find a Cottage Hill in the microfilmed Clay Co post office records.
- it don't see it on the 1915 county map, altho maybe I missed it.
- it's only mentioned as "Cottage Hill Cemetery" in the 1909 county history
- can't really find any news coverage discussing it as a populated place at any point
- It might have been a preexisting location on the National Road but finding no evidence of that (yet?)
- The interurban stop probably doesn't qualify it for notability
- I'd be open to a redirect to Dick Johnson Township or a move to Cottage Hill Cemetery but meh.
- Update: I skimmed a history of early transport in Indiana and no sign of Cottage Hill just the discouraging comment "The country lying between Terre Haute and Indianapolis was an almost unbroken wilderness, the settlements were separated by extensive and gloomy forests, and only a few villages were scattered along the line of the National Road. The railroad left this latter highway at Plainfield, from which point to Greencastle but a few settlements were to be found, and beyond that place for a number of miles conditions were even worse." There's a map that includes Brazil as a stop but Cottage Hills makes no appearance.
- Hahaha Cunningham Tavern on the National Road burned down 1855/1856. So maybe something!
jengod ( talk) 21:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I regret to inform that this location is notable, or at least is the setting of a folksy and charming yarn about Abe Lincoln in 1858. I have expanded the history section and will add a touch more from the 20th century shortly. jengod ( talk) 01:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)