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Raw to the Bone
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Only minimal coverage of this album can be found to fulfill WP:NALBUM: a short review in The Ottawa Citizen and an entry with a star-rating but no additional comment in The encyclopedia of popular music. Not enough for notability, Redirect to Wishbone Ash#Discography Broc ( talk) 20:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- There's way more than that out there, and I'll write a fully expanded, referenced article about this album when I have time. I'm working on their previous album at the moment. Until then, it should probably be a redirect. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 20:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Thriller (Fall Out Boy song)
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The article is based on album reviews for Infinity on High. so it doesn't establish a separate WP:SIGCOV. I searched sources independently and I found two, both from NME, [1] [2] one written from Patrick Stump's point of view and the other from Pete Wentz's view. Those sources don't say anything different from what is already said by the sources present in the article. And Infinity on High mentions part of the article's content anyway. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Infinity on High: sources in article only make very brief mentions of the song, and the same goes for the two NME articles the nominator linked. Nowhere near enough for an independent article. I wouldn't oppose a merger if there are any valuable statements included here which aren't already in the album article. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 03:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Meets
WP:GNG - The article is comprehensive and there is commentary about the song in multiple reliable sources.
Slant Magazine,
Northern Valley Suburbanite,
Alternative Press,
Guitar.com. Additionally the song leads with an introduction from Jay Z which garnered much press like in the
Los Angeles Times and other major media outlets.Note, as the article's main author I was not notified of this AfD.
Bruxton (
talk)
04:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the past I would have said the same. The article itself is not the issue, but the sources are. They are all about the album, so the critics naturally write about the songs featured in the album from that perspective. For example, "I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers" is also mentioned by two of the sources you included and some sources included at Infinity on High, but that doesn't mean we should have an article for it. This was practically the conclusion reached at previous AFD discussions like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Hot Kinda Love, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Let Me Down (Leona Lewis song), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Hands. A good example of how this is reversed is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bloody Mary (Lady Gaga song), a song that was marignally notable when it was released, but that gained independent notability after an external event created that notability; that is, being used in a TV series and secondary sources discussing it independently from the album. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 05:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge (into Infinity on High) - it has good info, but I agree with the nom. – The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 06:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I came here from DYK and I am the editor who approved this article's nomination when it ran on the main page. During the approval process many editors, administrators and readers vetted the article. The article clearly meets our general notability guide. A topic is "notable" if there is enough usable coverage of it in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, to write a good encyclopedic article. I think that is what we have here, a good encyclopedic article about the song, based on multiple secondary sources.
Lightburst (
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01:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can refer to WP:NSONGS: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability." (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- We should not focus on the SNG -
WP:NSONG, according to
WP:N
A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and t is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.
I believe that it meets GNG based on the RS. Lightburst ( talk) 04:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- We should not focus on the SNG -
WP:NSONG, according to
WP:N
Let's Be Enemies
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This is another in a long string of totally unacceptable edits by User:BigChungusOnVinyl who routinely makes entire articles that fail WP:NOTABLE or just have no reliable sources at all. Note that he has also uploaded the two covers to c: as copyvios. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 00:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Everyone Asked About You. Complete notability fail. The two sources included in this article are from the original release's record label and the band's Bandcamp page; both primaries which convey zero notability. The lone reliable coverage I could find is what I included in Never Leave#Background and recording, and that is definitely not enough for a standalone article. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 03:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Nothing Lasts Forever (Maroon 5 song)
- Nothing Lasts Forever (Maroon 5 song) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NSONG. This had been redirected but the redirect was reversed by an IP, who I imagine is the banned editor BoxxyBoy who was very keen to keep this article before. This song spent a single week in the lower reaches of the Billboard Bubbling Under chart, so hardly a major hit. Of the six sources used in the Background section, only one of them actually mentions this song, and it's just a passing mention that it uses the same chorus that Adam Levine wrote for Kanye West's "Heard 'Em Say" – all the other sources are about that track, not this one, and don't give this song WP:INHERITED notability. So we have three one-line pieces of information: (1) it was a very minor hit on the Bubbling Under chart; (2) Levine appropriated his own chorus from a previous song; (3) it briefly featured in the background of two TV shows (both of which use bad sources). All of this information is already in the article for It Won't Be Soon Before Long... we don't need a separate poorly-sourced article to repeat these small pieces of information. Richard3120 ( talk) 14:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect - per nom. I agree with the breakdown, and can't see a path to satisfying WP:NSONGS. Sergecross73 msg me 14:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 17:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom A #123 song (or 122, whatever, that chart is a pain to begin with) being used as background in a couple of works and with a collaboration with a singer you'd think won't be collaborated with anytime soon isn't N in any way. Nate • ( chatter) 16:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Johnny in the Middle of the Park
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Zero mentions in reliable sources. Does not meet notability guidelines. Skyshifter talk 10:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Delete I would normally suggest a redirect to Piero Cotto as WP:ATD, but that page also seems to have notability issues and should probably be brought to AfD as well. Broc ( talk) 19:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)- Redirect to Piero Cotto as WP:ATD, after Cavarrone's improvements to the page. Broc ( talk) 20:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I have rewritten the Piero Cotto page (he won Viña del Mar, entered Sanremo Music Festival, charted in various places, passes GNG), but I had to delete the sentence about the song, as I have not found any RS about it. Cavarrone 12:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Alicia Keys: Rehearsal Room
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Redirect to Alicia Keys discography: all of the sources are self-published, unreliable platforms or stores. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect per nomination. Found no additional coverage. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 06:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom – The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 18:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect. I agree with the nominator's rationale. There does not appear to be significant coverage from reliable, third-party sources. There is a viable redirect target though, and I always find a redirect to be more helpful to readers as this is a viable search term. Aoba47 ( talk) 19:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Ulterior Motives (The Lost Album)
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Zero coverage in reliable sources. Does not meet notability guidelines. Skyshifter talk 00:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge with Ulterior Motives (song), as the eponymous song is far more notable right now. Xeroctic ( talk) 18:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ulterior Motives (song). Most will view the song as the only notable aspect of the album. Free Realist 9 ( talk) 01:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep.There are 7 sources. Kierandude ( talk) 12:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- Four are primary or from social media, while the "three" Rolling Stone ones (actually two as one of them is repeated) don't even mention the album. Skyshifter talk 13:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep.As of now, there are 9 sources, only 4 of which are social media. Kierandude ( talk) 14:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)- Changed my mind. Draftify. Give it some time and more sources should be able to be found.
Kierandude (
talk)
14:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- You've now !voted three times - you should strike your previous votes. Also please note that iMDb and Reddit do not pass
WP:RS, and Amazon only proves that this album exists, not that it's notable. The only reliable sources are the ones from Rolling Stone, and they don't talk about the album.
Richard3120 (
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17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- “Christopher: So what we’re gonna do is release the song, and if people like it and they want to hear more, we’re prepared to release a whole album of tracks that sound a lot like that”
Kierandude (
talk)
12:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Talking vaguely about a possible future album isn't talking about Ulterior Motives (The Lost Album), and even if it was, it would be just a passing mention.
Skyshifter
talk
13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- That quote was from just after EKT had been found, in which Chris talks about possibly releasing an album if a rerelease of EKT was successful. The album he is referring to IS Ulterior Motives.
2405:6E00:28EC:2F23:A91A:50F9:B7ED:AC03 (
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14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- One quote from one of the song's writers saying "we are going to make an album" is not an independent source and hardly enough to create an entire article about it. Richard3120 ( talk) 02:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- That quote was from just after EKT had been found, in which Chris talks about possibly releasing an album if a rerelease of EKT was successful. The album he is referring to IS Ulterior Motives.
2405:6E00:28EC:2F23:A91A:50F9:B7ED:AC03 (
talk)
14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Talking vaguely about a possible future album isn't talking about Ulterior Motives (The Lost Album), and even if it was, it would be just a passing mention.
Skyshifter
talk
13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- “Christopher: So what we’re gonna do is release the song, and if people like it and they want to hear more, we’re prepared to release a whole album of tracks that sound a lot like that”
Kierandude (
talk)
12:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You've now !voted three times - you should strike your previous votes. Also please note that iMDb and Reddit do not pass
WP:RS, and Amazon only proves that this album exists, not that it's notable. The only reliable sources are the ones from Rolling Stone, and they don't talk about the album.
Richard3120 (
talk)
17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Changed my mind. Draftify. Give it some time and more sources should be able to be found.
Kierandude (
talk)
14:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- lol nobody is deleting
- we have like 4 other options and nobody votes delete Kierandude ( talk) 13:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Vote. Kierandude ( talk) 19:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep. It's an unusual album in several ways (containing lost media, recorded decades ago, released ahead of schedule, etc.). More time may be needed. - ProhibitOnions (T) 19:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Being "unusual" is not an indicator of notability. I also don't see how "more time" is needed — so far the album has received zero mentions in any reliable sources, and it is unlikely that it will. Either way, if this discussion results in redirect or similar and the album does get notability in the future, the article can be recreated. Skyshifter talk 22:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus. But this article doesn't need to be draftified as the content creator has already created Draft:Ulterior Motives - The Lost Album which is likely a copy of the main space article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)- Yes I did. I’m trying to preserve the article. Preserve. Preserve. You get it, preserve. Kierandude ( talk) 14:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
for occasional archiving