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Comment: Yes, the hook is stating the obvious, but just notice the irony in the title. I've provided a modified version of hook in case it's a little unclear; I just think ALT0 is more concise. Please hold for July 17, on the movie's second anniversary outside Japan
Overall: GA DYK on approval day, satisfactory GAR, enough said. I prefer ALT0. BTW ALT2 and ALT3 aren't written in compliance with
WP:DYKFICTION; ALT2 should clarify it is part of the production process, not the plot, and ALT3 is part of the plot.
ミラP@
Miraclepine02:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, if you can come up with a hook that covers both topics, we can simply add this. I can do the mechanics for you, just give me a ping. However, I struggle to think of a good hook for such a double-nomination. If you can't think of something suitable, simply nominate this as a separate listing. Also, please see
Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table for your info. Schwede6604:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for offering your help. I was also struggling with the hook, the ones I can think of lose focus, so I will just leave it like this. The first round heats of the women's 400 m hurdles at the 2024 Summer Olympics are on 5 August, according to
this schedule, so maybe this hook could be added on that day? – Editør (
talk)
08:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Schwede66: I have nominated the second article for
another DYK, you could also use that one for the Olympic theme, let me know if you require me to do anything for this. – Editør (
talk)
11:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This is a new GA, nominated the day it passed. Plenty long enough. Everything is sourced. The article is neutral and Earwig didn't bring up anything. The hook is interesting and referenced. The image license is fine and whilst not the highest resolution, the photo would be fine on the main page. QPQ has been done. The one suggestion for potential improvement that I can offer, and I note that this won't hold up the DYK, is that I wouldn't start this sentence with a time as, in my view, it violates (at least in spirit)
MOS:NUMNOTES: 1.74 seconds after Bol, Louise Maraval of France finished second in 54.23 seconds.... Instead, you could consider: Louise Maraval of France finished second in 54.23 seconds, 1.74 seconds after Bol.... Good work! Schwede6622:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT3: ... that prior to broadcast, the "unspecified marque" on Can't Touch This had been used as an example of why British game show prizes were "rubbish"?
Comment: I can't get over
The Telegraph,
The Times,
The Guardian, and even
the BBC all printing as gospel that he actually did it - he was in fact shot out of a catapult. Where's your fact checking?
5x expanded by
Launchballer (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 231 past nominations.
Comment: I'm eschewing the McDowell image as it is too closely cropped and eliminates the forehead, which has been mentioned
as an element of the Kubrick stare. I really desire this to be an image hook (as does the subject of the photo), so I'm fine with a set-builder pushing this far back or anything similar.
Created by
Bremps (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
QPQ is done, article is new enough, article is long enough.
WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely". Personally I would not use the hook mentioning Trump's mug shot, because it would be a bit strange to mention it but then show an entirely different photograph. ALT3 is the one I think is best because it matches the photograph the most. Overall, good to go for ALT3. Di (they-them) (
talk)
15:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I just noticed that Stanley Kubrick's 96th birthday is coming up on July 26. If it does not compromise the image hook, could we have the hook run on that date? Thanks.
Bremps...19:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
BeanieFan11, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 11 June and exceeds minimum length; article is generally well written (I couldn't parse "was named first-team All-State, All-Metro and to the Lincoln Journal Star's Super-State Team" but might just be my ignorance of basketball?); sources cited look to be reliable enough, though I am not familiar with them; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing from a spot check; hook fact is interesting enough for me, mentioned in the article and checks out to the source cited. My first review for a good few months but looks fine to me except that a QPQ is awaited -
Dumelow (
talk)
15:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Source:
Dutch source "Missie geslaagd. Femke Bol heeft vrijdagavond in München voor een unieke dubbelslag op een groot titeltoernooi in de atletiekwereld gezorgd. Het 22-jarige supertalent liep naar de Europese titel op de 400 meter horden. Twee dagen eerder was ze al Europees kampioene op de 400 meter zonder hindernissen geworden. Geen enkele vrouw deed dat eerder."
English source alternative
Clear at 100px: - Personally I feel at 100px the current image is too wide to be useful for this nomination. I would suggest changing it for either the Brossier/Bol photo from the 400m semi or the Lehikoinen/Bol photo from the 400m hurdles final, but I will also leave this up to the promoter if they feel differently.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Both articles' prose meets 5x expansion. Readable prose on both also surpasses the target. Generally well sourced and well written, hook is also cited and interesting. Images are free, however some issues regarding the selected image (see above). 2 QPQs done to match the double bold articles. Besides potentially swapping the image out for another I'm happy to pass the DYK for these articles. Great job!
Sims2aholic8 (
talk)
09:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Or a cropped version of the originally proposed photo if that is an option (cropped to a square, centered on Bol). – Editør (
talk)
10:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Olympic
breakdancerManizha Talash said that when she saw a video "of a man just spinning over his head ... I immediately told myself: 'That's what I want to do with my life!'"? Source: same
ALT2: ... that Olympic
breakdancerManizha Talash has continued performing despite receiving death threats? Source: same
New enough and long enough. QPQ has since been supplied. All hook facts check out and are interesting in various ways, especially ALT0/ALT1. Dunno if we need quotes on the quote from the headline. No textual or other issues. Fine for the 9 August Olympic suggestion.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
02:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that breast cancer patients became a primary patient population for nurse navigation after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital? Source:
https://www.myamericannurse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/an12-Oncology-Navigtion-1201.pdf "Breast cancer navigation became a primary patient population focus of nurse navigation when Lillie Shockney, MAS, BS, RN, publicized her success at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, where she helped increase appointment completions, improve timeliness of care, and expedite chemotherapy start time by 2 weeks."
The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. All of the references are reliable. The article is neutral. Both hooks are cited, but I prefer ALT1.
SL93 (
talk)
21:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The "nurse navigation" or "patient navigation" field is one that few people will know and hopefully people will go to the page to find out more about it.
Mary Mark Ockerbloom (
talk)
16:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1a: ... that breast cancer patients became a population who frequently worked with nurse navigators after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital?
ALT1b: ... that breast cancer patients started to work more frequently with nurse navigators after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital?
Why do we think this photo is actually CC-BY-SA like the commons page claims? The Author is listed as "Lillie Shockney"; considering this is a photo of Lillie Shockney, and looks like a studio portrait, it's unlikely that it's a selfie, and thus the Author is incorrect. The author of a photograph is the photographer. And it's apparently downloaded from
https://aonnonline.org/authors?autid=1:lillie-shockney-2, which has a highly restrictive
TOS statement.
RoySmith(talk)23:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
RoySmith You previously mentioned closing noms that are old. How do you feel about this one? I'm not attached to any of the hooks, and I do see where the complaints are coming from.
SL93 (
talk)
23:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: As noted above, the lede should be beefed up before this hits the main page. Also, given the recent RFC, I'm not sure focusing on the negative aspects of this BLP (i.e., the goat head protest), is going to fly on the main page. It's a very interesting fact, and supported by Liputan6, but something else may work better in the current climate. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk)
14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Maybe something like "that
Saleh Manaf became Regent of Bekasi even after his party attempted to annul the results?". If we have an ALT, we can allow the admin making the queues to make the decision. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk)
13:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
That is not what an underdog is (someone expected to lose), and in either case you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for it.--Launchballer18:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: Alright then, change of hook. ALT4: "... that the regent of Bekasi, Saleh Manaf, was protested by his own local environment service?" quote from:
this one, ref no. 14 Beberapa waktu yang lalu, Dinas Kebersihan Kabupaten Bekasi sebenarnya sudah mengirimkan surat protes kepada Bupati Bekasi, meminta pertanggung-jawaban bupati terhadap dampak lingkungan dan akibat sampah yang dibuang truk pengangkut sampah. (Some time ago, the Bekasi Regency Environment Service actually sent a letter of protest to the Regent of Bekasi, asking the regent to be responsible for the environmental impact and consequences of the waste thrown by the waste trucks.)
... that Nathan Steuer(pictured) started tournament-level Magic: The Gathering as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
ALT1: ... that Magic: The Gathering world champion Nathan Steuer(pictured) started tournament-level play as a pre-teen, saying the "13 and up" on Magic packaging was "just recommended"?
Same content just a bit more explicit about why he's a big deal.
@
GRuban: QPQ is done. Article is long enough and moved to mainspace same day as DYK submission. Hooks are both interesting and sourced correctly; I prefer ALT1. Article is presentable and free from copyvio. I have two minor issues with the article's citations: 1) I added a citation needed tag, and 2) the article uses
X as a source. Other than those two things, there's nothing else needed for approval.
Kimikel (
talk)
01:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Kimikel: 1) Cited where requested. 2) X is OK per
WP:ABOUTSELF, specifically it's a post from the Ultimate Guard company that says that Steuer is now a member of Team Ultimate Guard, which is the fact that it is backing up. There are other sources that also say it, but this is the one from the horse's mouth, so to speak. --
GRuban (
talk)
13:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Drive-by nomination, as it's been around 6.875 days since this was converted from a redirect and I want to get this in under the wire. I have a small amount of work to do, starting with the excision of those ugly
WP:CLUMPs. Note that I've included 'credited' because, as can quite clearly be seen in the image in the cited source, series 4 winners Spelbound also contained women. Also noting that the majority of this article was created by an IP.
Created by
Launchballer (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 234 past nominations.
Review: Newly expanded article from a redirect meeting the required length size of prose. BLP is notable to exist as a standalone article now passing
WP:ARTIST. No apparent copyvios. QPQ done. Rest article seems fine. Problem comes with only the fact that this is a synthesis and hence not perfectly verifiable. Do we have any another source mentioning her to be the first woman winner without a dog? Or else, do we have anything else from the article to a new hook? §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
Talk /
Edits}
04:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I can't see that source. Googling 'credit define' gives one definition of 'publicly acknowledge a contributor's role in the production of (something published or broadcast)' - is there not a similar definition in the OED source? And if not, how would you convey this information? (HuffPost, the piece used in the article, says "the only solo woman to ever triumph on BGT without the aid of a dog sidekick", but I would argue that "Ashleigh and Pudsey" is quite clearly a double act.)--Launchballer10:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Could we not say "first individual woman" or something? I agree that "first credited woman" reads oddly here. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)06:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that with the horror film Infested, the French director Sébastien Vaniček wanted to show how not frightening but "complex and beautiful" spiders are?
Converted from a redirect by
Cavarrone (
talk). Nominated by
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article new and long enough at the time of nomination. Length and referencing adequate ("Plot" isn't but that's MOS). No copyvio per Earwig aside from the block of interview quote. Hook interesting, cited inline. Good to go.
Juxlos (
talk)
16:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Approving all hooks on good faith. Article is long enough and created day before DYK nomination. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. All hooks are interesting and sourced, though in Dutch. QPQ done. Good to go, thank you for your nomination
Chris Woodrich!
Kimikel (
talk)
19:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TarheelBornBred: Article is long enough and created same day as DYK nomination. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and copy-vio free. No QPQ needed. Hook-wise, I prefer ALT0, although I would edit it for contextual sake, and to better reflect the article's content:
Sticking my nose in while looking through the approved noms. The hook is barely about the subject, and not knowing someone else would become really talented is...in my view, not that interesting. Is there nothing else to be said that actually focuses on Arteaga? ♠
PMC♠
(talk)06:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that in his book How to Be Perfect,
Michael Schur sought to "wade into some deeply confusing and painful applications of moral philosophy... but in a fun way"?
Source: "...Schur makes good on his promise to 'wade into some deeply confusing and painful applications of moral philosophy, stretching and straining and chewing on really tough questions that plague us in our daily lives, that cause us anxiety and anguish and often lead to loud arguments with our closest friends and family. But in a fun way!'"
Kirkus Reviews
Source: "Down to the musical cues and audio cast (which includes the actors Ted Danson, Kristen Bell, Manny Jacinto, and Jameela Jamil), How to Be Perfect could be considered a companion piece to the author's recent hit, The Good Place."
Modak, Sebastian. The New York Times Book Review. March 13, 2022. pg 9.
Approving both hooks, with preference to ALT0. Article is long enough and moved to mainspace 2 days before DYK submission. Article is presentable and copyvio-free; if possible, I would recommend adding URLs for the sources that don't have them. Hooks are interesting and sourced well; I think ALT0 is more interesting. QPQ done. Other than that, nothing to comment. Thank you for your submission
DrOrinScrivello!
Kimikel (
talk)
02:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that the vocalist on the
dance song "Music Sounds Better with You" was in a punk band that disapproved of his collaboration with electronic musicians?
Overall: I am assuming in good faith that the Dutch refs adequately support the text and that there is no plagiarism. I've done a general search myself as to the subject of the bio in English sources. There were some deletions made to the article of the word Nazi
here; restoring the word would help make this properly neutral in accuracy, and I would be happy then to pass this final item of the qpq.
2603:7000:2101:AA00:FD8F:5C17:CABB:9E61 (
talk)
20:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Bell, John D. (2019). Peasants in Power: Alexander Stamboliski and the Bulgarian Agrarian National Union, 1899-1923. Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-0-691-65544-4, p. 45: "By dawn of the following day, the balance of forces had so shifted that the peasants decided to challenge the troops by marching to Ruse. When they approached the troops the commander gave the order to open fire. The soldiers, however, refused to shoot into the peasants and fired two volleys into the air. The commander himself drew his revolver and fired at the peasants, who rushed at him and made him prisoner. Some of the soldiers allowed their weapons to be taken and the rest retreated."
Source 2: Hristov, Hristo (1962).
Селските вълнения и бунтове 1899–1900 [Peasant Disturbances and Rebellions 1899–1900] (in Bulgarian). Izdatelstvo na Natsionalnia Savet na Otechestvenia Front: "Постигането на първите успехи повдигна духа на селяните и положението на стражарите и войниците стана критично. За да сломи нападателния дух на селяните, командирът на войсковия отред даде заповед за стрелба. Но войниците отказаха да стрелят в своите бащи и братя. Не беше изпълнена също така и заповедта „На нож!“. Войската се колебаеше."
Translation from Bulgarian: "The achievement of the first successes raised the spirits of the villagers and the situation of the guards and soldiers became critical. To break the offensive spirit of the villagers, the commander of the military detachment gave the order to shoot. But the soldiers refused to shoot their fathers and brothers. The order "On a knife!" was also not carried out. The army hesitated."
Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by
Anonimu (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
@
Anonimu: Article is long enough and new enough. QPQ not needed. Article is well-sourced and copyvio-free. Hook is interesting and well-sourced. The article has an issue with presentability: there are many dead links. I recommend either de-linking them or linking to their Bulgarian Wikipedia equivalents. Once this is resolved, I can approve the nomination.
Kimikel (
talk)
04:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that
Cornell College professor Harriette Cooke started the Cornell’s Ladies Battalion in 1889, and the women held drills in skirted uniforms while using wooden wands in the place of rifles?
Comment: The DYK check is wrong when it says that the article has not been expanded at least 5x. It was 810 characters of prose prior to expansion, and it is now 4,059 characters of prose. 810 times 5 is 4,050.
5x expanded by
SL93 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 406 past nominations.
Approving ALT1. Article is long enough and 5x expanded on the day of DYK submission. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and copyvio-free. QPQ done. Both hooks are interesting and sourced; however, I feel ALT0 is a little verbose and could be worded in a way that flowed better. Other than that, all good to go. Thank you for the nomination
SL93!
Kimikel (
talk)
19:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: American Songwriter: " For most of the track, SZA smoothly croons about the disheartening taste in the music industry. As she notices the growing influence of artificial intelligence on the pop landscape, evident in the Robot got future, I don't lyric, she looks to her lover to distract her from her worrisome reality."
Approving nomination. Article is long enough and passed GA review 7 days prior to DYK nomination. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and copy-vio free. The hook is interesting and sourced well. QPQ is done. Nothing else to comment on from me. Thank you for the submission
PSA and
Dylan620!
Kimikel (
talk)
03:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that owners of the Narragansett Pier Railroad included
a family of industrialists, a dentist, a systems analyst, a lumberyard, and the founder of
Textron? Source: A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad by James N. J. Henwood. Dentist supported by
[7] Bangor Daily News, December 28, 1979, page 2.
Approving on good faith. Article is long enough and promoted to GA four days before DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. Hook is interesting, source is acceptable on good faith. Image meets criteria. QPQ done. Nothing else to comment on from me. Thank you for your nomination
Trainsandotherthings!
Kimikel (
talk)
03:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
RoySmith: You're right that the original photo I proposed isn't the best choice. I uploaded the photo you proposed after I made this nomination and forgot to suggest it here, so thanks for catching that. In the interest of this not sitting in pending forever, we can either remove the photos or substitute
this photo from 1876 which is quite unlikely to still be under copyright due to its nearly 150 year age. I think we need to start a discussion on Commons regarding the other photos and get some input from editors there.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk)
13:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Trainsandotherthings: just poking around, a found a few images that I think should qualify for PD (and some other stuff that you may or may not have already found) and might be interesting:
Source: "rbor Acres White Rocks’ white feathered birds beat the competition in the purebred category, but Red Cornish crosses from the Vantress Hatchery definitely outperformed them. And as it happens, those two breeds would eventually be crossed and become the Arbor Acre breed – whose genetics now dominate poultry farms worldwide."
"Before long, Arbor Acre’s parent stock had supplied all the major broiler companies in America."
Newly created in mainspace on 13 June, the day of nomination, by moving from Draftspace.
Length is acceptable, at just over 2,000 bytes. Correctly rated Start-class.
No obvious close paraphrasing or copyvio noted in spot-checks of sources, but I tweaked a couple of phrases which could have been considered too close to the source.
The image is PD because copyright has expired. If used, the hook would need to have something like (White Rock chicken pictured) appended. It is used in the article, so no issues there.
Sourcing and referencing is fine: everything is referenced, and to decent-quality sources.
No issues with neutrality, POV etc.
The hook fact is sourced and interesting – in fact quite remarkable. Length of the hook is fine.
... that the Colombian singer
Feid collaborated for the second time with an American hip hop producer in "Luna", and it was called "an effort to take the genre to the global level"?
@
Miraclepine: That's what I meant, only for me adding another alt and having it approved is equivalent to changing it in some way. I'm sorry for making you think I was literally going to change what's above. Well, here it goes: ALT1: ... that the Colombian singer
Feid performed "Luna" as the only song at the
2024 Copa América opening ceremony, but there were several technical issues in the transmission?
Santi (
talk)
20:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dharmadhyaksha and
Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AirshipJungleman29: The tag wasn’t' there when I was inspecting the article as a reviewer. Also the article was good to me in that time and it was edited many times by many users and ip after review.
Mehedi Abedin11:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that ice hockey coach Ryan Warsofsky was the youngest active head coach in the
ECHL, then was the youngest in the
AHL, and now is the youngest in the
NHL?
Source:
WCSC ("fifth youngest coach in ECHL history. He is currently the youngest active coach in the league.");
The Charlotte Observer ("Warsofsky, 31, will be the youngest current head coach in the AHL");
ESPN ("Warsofsky, who at 36 is now the youngest coach in the NHL")
The article is long enough, new enough, and neutral with no copyright violations. The hook is directly cited, and a QPQ is complete.
SL93 (
talk)
01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Pages 197 and 198 of
this book detail how Benjamin Jackson enlisted in the Union Navy in May 1864 as a substitute for a US citizen named Lewis Saunders, who was drafted, but had the opportunity to pay for a substitute to take his place. The fee Jackson received was likely at least $300. Because Jackson served as a substitute, he was enlisted under the Saunders name.
... that a co-founder of Braver Angels designed their Red/Blue political depolarization workshops based on
couples therapy?
Source: Doherty, William J., and Tai J. Mendenhall. "Braver Angels: Counteracting political polarization." In W. J. Doherty & T. J. Mendenhall, Becoming a citizen therapist: Integrating community problem-solving into your work as a healer (pp. 93–111). American Psychological Association.
https://doi-org.proxy.lib.miamioh.edu/10.1037/0000378-008
ALT1: ... that conservative and liberal participants in Braver Angels Red/Blue depolarization workshops understand each other better if they share political views with their own group first? Source: Oliver-Blackburn, Bailey M., and April Chatham-Carpenter. "‘But I don’t know if I want to talk to you’: strategies to foster conversational receptiveness across the United States’ political divide." Journal of Applied Communication Research 51, no. 1 (2023): 55-71.
Reviewed:
Comment: June 27-29 is their national convention, so that'd be great timing for a DYK. I'm part of a WikiEdu course on 2024 US elections and I will continue improving this article over the coming week(s). I'd especially welcome advice on the ordering and naming of sections. I'm in touch with the organization and hope to get some images for Wiki Commons and the article.
5x expanded by
ProfGray (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
@
ProfGray: QPQ not needed. Article is long enough and recently expanded. Article is copyvio-free. ALT0 is interesting and well-sourced; I fell that ALT1 is too general. The article has one issue: there is a paragraph that lacks citations, which I tagged. Once that is fixed, the hook can be approved.
Kimikel (
talk)
01:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, @
Kimikel:, for working on this DYK. I fixed the citation and removed the tag. (The ref was actually the same as the previous sentence, must have gotten moved around during revisions, thanks for catching that.) Please let me know if any other concerns.
ProfGray (
talk)
20:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The article is long enough, new enough, and neutral. The hook is directly cited. I assume good faith on the references that I cannot read. A QPQ has been completed. Ready.
SL93 (
talk)
00:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the review. I can send screencaps of anything if anyone does want to check the sources (GBooks has Unseen and Blood Beneath, I think). I just tweaked firery -> flaming as I think it flows more nicely. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)00:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. This is a unique contribution to DYK as it is three paragraphs and a list; even though one paragraph does not end in an inline citation, I am treating it as a lead-section paragraph. All the list bullet points contain at least one inline citation. The hook fact checks out and is included. Image is OGL-licensed and acceptable for the Main Page. Good to go after 4 July per above.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
04:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you very much for the review,
Sammi! If you've got concerns over the amount of prose in this article, I've
expanded the lead with another paragraph. Let me know if you think this has improved things. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (
talk |
contribs)
15:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Article promoted to GA (though the nomination template says "created") on 7 June, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for. There are no obvious neutrality issues.
Earwig reveals no copyvio, and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably
WP:Close paraphrasing. The hook is interesting, but see below about the sourcing. I don't think the meaning of "the moon itself" is unclear, but it could optionally be replaced with "Proteus itself" if others feel differently. There is no image in the nomination, but
File:Proteus_(Voyager_2).jpg could be used as it is public domain (by NASA), used in the article, and clear (enough) at the resolution used on the
WP:Main page. QPQ has been done. Some comments about the content:
I have, to the best of my ability, added inline page numbers for the relatively lengthy sources. Please check if I got it right.
a diameter of around 250 km (160 mi) in diameter – redundant.
Fixed -Ark
a small moon orbiting unusually close to Proteus – should probably clarify that it orbits Neptune unusually close to Proteus, as opposed to orbiting Proteus at an unusually close distance.
Rephrased as ... a small moon whose orbit is unusually close to Proteus's. -Ark
Pharos was first discovered in the Voyager 2 spacecraft's
flyby of
Neptune and its
system of moons in 1989, being one of the first identifiable features on
Proteus. – going by the source, Proteus itself seems to have been discovered at this time too, no? That should probably be mentioned in some way.
Good catch! Briefly mentioned Proteus's discovery just ~2 months prior per its discovery announcement in an IAU circular. -Ark
The impact basin was provisionally named in a 1992 paper by Steven K. Croft after the island of
Pharos – I don't find this in
the cited source? It says that the largest basin-like structure on Proteus has been provisionally named Pharos (Croft, 1992), but doesn't seem to mention anything about the etymology.
Etymology attributed to the USGS/GPN source at the end of paragraph, duplicated to end of sentence as well. -Ark
With a calculated diameter of 255 ± 12 km (158.4 ± 7.5 mi), Pharos is by far the largest known
impact structure on Proteus. – I don't find this in
the cited source?
Sloppy attribution on my part, the latter portion should be attributed to Stooke 1994 p. 47 The largest crater or basin, Pharos (Figure 9), is really one of the facets already described.... I realized I'd omitted apparently varying estimated diameters between Stooke 1994 and Croft 1992, so I've changed it to With a diameter between 230 and 267 kilometres... with an explanatory efn. -Ark
this makes Pharos over half the size of the satellite itself – I don't find this in the cited source, either. On the one hand, this size comparison is a
WP:Routine calculation. On the other however, this comparison really needs to come explicitly from the sources if it is to be used for the hook.
Attributed to Croft 1992 p. 410 table on crater diameter to object radius ratio; it gives a D/R ratio of 1.22 for Pharos. -Ark
Right, but do any of the sources point this out explicitly? It's verifiable from the sources, which is fine for the article as such, but if we are to use it for a DYK hook we need to be a bit stricter.
TompaDompa (
talk)
19:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
To clarify, I understand what you're getting at: a crater diameter to object radius ratio above 1 is equivalent to the crater being more than half the size of the object. Which is of course true, but (to my eye, at least) not the kind of sourcing we should base DYK hooks on. If this remains the sole point of contention when we're done with the rest, I suggest we request a second opinion on this specific issue.
TompaDompa (
talk)
20:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
In this case, I'll refer to DYK nominator
FormalDude on whether or not they wish to request a second opinion. -Ark
@
ArkHyena and
TompaDompa: I'm gathering that the concern is that the source doesn't explicitly say it is over twice the size and that it may violate our policy on
WP:OR to say that. If the source determines a ratio of size between the objects and we can use basic math to determine that it's at least twice the size, I am sure that is not
WP:OR nor
WP:SYNTH and we're more than fine to say that. There's no extrapolation on our part, we're just saying the same thing in a different way. Happy to get a third opinion from someone not involved though if you're still concerned TompaDompa. ––
FormalDude(talk)09:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Pharos is a relatively degraded crater [...] bringing Pharos's total diameter to between 500 and 550 km (310 and 340 mi). – I have been unable to access the cited page (694) of one of the two sources cited here. Roughly the second half (from A series of depressions to the end of the paragraph) appears to come from the source I am able to access, suggesting that the rest (up to a
peak-ring impact basin.) is from the other one. Could you provide page 694 from Neptune and Triton for verification?
Should include material from p. 693, this is now fixed. The particular excerpt is The most remarkable aspects of this impact basin are the roughly concentric structures of indeterminable morphology which occur at radii of up to 250 krn from the center (Fig. 5). Although these structures have been interpreted variously by different workers 694 P. C. THOMAS ET AL. (compare Croft 1992; Smith et al. 1989), there is little question that a series of approximately concentric markings is present. Also from the other source: Several depressions surround Pharos, particularly... -Ark
I don't see how that verifies Pharos is a relatively degraded crater, bound by an outer incomplete scarp interrupted by subsequent impacts. The floor of Pharos appears to be domed, but nevertheless lacks a clear central peak that characterizes
central-peak impact craters. However, there may be a peak-ring structure with a diameter approximately half that of Pharos's outer rim.?
TompaDompa (
talk)
23:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Largely from p. 694 of Neptune and Triton: Based on the shape model and on shadowing relations, topography within the large impact depression extends over at least 10 km. There is no evidence of a central peak, but there are suggestions of a peak-ring of a diameter about 1/2 that of the outer walls. and from Fig. 10 of Stooke 1994, with the caption using "rim segments" to outline Pharos. -Ark
bringing Pharos's total diameter to between 500 and 550 km (310 and 340 mi). – that would be larger than the diameter of Proteus itself (a point also made by the cited source). Further explanation seems warranted.
Mentioned, and additionally clarified that this suggestion is unconfirmed. -Ark
a
cryovolcanic origin is unlikely – the source does not specify cryovolcanic, it says volcanic.
Proteus is an icy body (per Proteus: Geology, Shape, and Catastrophic Destruction: Thus Proteus is a transitional object in the irregular-spherical shape spectrum for icy satellites...), therefore any volcanic activity automatically falls under cryovolcanism. However, since it's not explained in the source, an efn or a change to the more general "geological activity" may be warranted. Which option would be more preferable? -Ark
Well, the source says The description of this as a dome does not imply a volcanic origin. Volcanism would not be expected on an object the size of Proteus, particularly since its non-spherical shape suggests it has never experienced significant heating. Negating "geological activity" would be making a stronger statement than the source does inasmuch as it would rule out things the source does not explicitly (not that I would expect anybody to suggest that it's the result of
plate tectonics, but still).
TompaDompa (
talk)
23:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, alternatively other sources utilize the term "cryovolcanism" instead of simply "volcanism", and make no mention of silicate volcanism, incl. Croft 1992: Neither probable cryovolcanic structures such as the coronae on Miranda nor smooth areas suggestive of cryovolcanic resurfacing are discernable on Proteus. Would this be sufficient for an efn? -Ark
As the valley appears to extend beyond the
terminator in Voyager 2 imagery, it likely is longer. – this is a much stronger statement than the cited source makes (It may extend further north along the terminator.).
Changed to As the valley appears to extend along the terminator in Voyager 2 imagery, it may continue further north. -Ark
As violent impacts were more common early in the Solar System's history, Pharos is likely several billion years old. – this is not what
the cited source says. It says because the impactor flux was higher early in the solar system's history, Hippocamp is most likely at least a few Gy old., which has here apparently been combined with the source's We hypothesize that a large impact, perhaps the Pharos event itself, released debris from Proteus into orbit around Neptune. Some of this debris settled into a stable orbit perhaps 1,000–2,000 km (a few Hill radii) interior to Proteus, and accreted into Hippocamp. by way of
WP:Improper editorial synthesis to generate the statement in the article.
Addressed; moved into the "Effects on other Neptunian moons" subsection. -Ark
Nevertheless, that Pharos's structure is relatively well-preserved – this seems to contradict the earlier Pharos is a relatively degraded crater.
Addressed, additionally mentioning the point about resurfacing from the source Proteus was brought near the point of significant disturbance of its preexisting surface. -Ark
A system of possible tectonic faults and fractures both concentric and radially oriented to Pharos – maybe I'm missing something, but this seems to seriously overstate the confidence either cited source places in there being real (as opposed to illusory/artefactual) linear structures radial to Pharos. They speak a fair deal about concentric structures, on the other hand.
Addressed, attributing caution to Croft 1992 p. 407 -Ark
Due to Triton's
retrograde—or backwards—orbital motion, fragments would impact at velocities of roughly 7.5 km/s (17,000 mph) relative to Triton – the cited source does not say that this is the reason the impact velocity would be of this magnitude.
Addressed. -Ark
Not a DYK requirement, but
WP:NOTSEEALSO suggests avoiding repeating links from the body in the "See also" section.
Thanks for the review, TompaDompa! I'm going to give some time for ArkHyena and Cocobb8 to respond first. If these issues aren't resolved in a few days, I'll take a crack at it myself. ––
FormalDude(talk)10:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the ping
TompaDompa! I think that the hook is interesting indeed, but I personally thing it should be "Proteus" itself instead of "the moon", so as to not have confusion with Earth's satellite. I agree with the comments for improvements you listed above!
Cocobb8 (💬
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contribs)
13:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello, I appreciate all the feedback! I've addressed a couple minor points. Unfortunately, I will be flying out later today, so I myself won't be able to do much more until Tuesday (UTC-7:00). Apologies if this delay causes any issues.
ArkHyena (
talk)
18:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: The article does not seem neutral, considering the biased words rarely use quotations, the article also does not seem plagiarism free, with 10 percent of plagiarism, Good enough for DYK.
TheNuggeteer (
talk)
03:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
TheNuggeteer a comprehensive DYK review would give more specific feedback. Which words are biased or
WP:WEASEL? Can you give examples so that the nominator can make the relevant improvements? And regarding copyright violation, a percentage doesn't say much.
Checking earwig, I checked several examples and determined them to be false matches, or appropriately used, e.g an attributed quote. If you have specific copyright violations in mind, please explicitly mention which ones. The tooling and percentages are meant to guide the search but are not a substitute for in-depth analysis. ~ 🦝
Shushugah (he/him •
talk)
10:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Shushugah According to
WP:CONTENTIOUS "racist" and "sexist" (and probably others: racial discrimination, ableism, assault) are words to watch, considering they are not confirmed (regarding the ongoing 2024 lawsuit). I recommend (also according to
WP:ALLEGED) to add alleged and to put quotes beside the alleged words.
TheNuggeteer (
talk)
11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that early in his career
Terry Pratchett had published short stories in newspapers, which remained unknown until they were posthumously discovered and republished in the 2023 book A Stroke of the Pen?
Article - Created 16 June, nominated 19 June: 4688 words: sources reliable, including source of hook: article is presentable. Hook - meets criteria of verifiability, interest and format. Good to go.
Smerus (
talk)
13:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Dr. Oen Boen Ing, who often worked
for free, was so popular that the Indonesian government was petitioned to not evacuate him during a period of
violence against Chinese Indonesians? Source: Lie, Ravando (2017).
"Dr Oen Boen Ing: Patriot Doctor, Social Activist, and Doctor of the Poor"(PDF). Wacana. 18 (2): 467.
doi:
10.17510/wacana.v18i2.592. – "The report also said that Dr Oen was able to assist more than 200 patients a day and more than half of them did not have to pay a single penny. ... When a series of anti-Tionghoa upheaval erupted in Surakarta, Dr Oen was supposed to be evacuated to a safe place by the Republican government. However, after hearing such a plan, people in Surakarta submitted a petition rejecting the idea and hoping Dr Oen would remain in Surakarta to assist the poor."
Overall: Earwig marked ~40% for the Wacana PDF, but a spot check indicates that it's probably due to the foreign language element and particular phrasing like "fun fairs"; I didn't see any serious issues. Promoter, feel free to double-check my work; this is my first QPQ review.
ThaesOfereode (
talk)
21:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
New article, well written and high quality (likely suitable for a GA nomination). No copyvio issues found. Hook is interesting, cited in the article, and of appropriate length. My one concern is the licensing of the image. Without the photographer's identity and thus death date, and without proof that it was first
published prior to 1929, the claimed license is not valid. PD-old-assumed would be valid given that the image is >120 years old, but an appropriate US copyright tag would still be needed.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
06:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Storye book: Good work figuring out the photographer! Unfortunately, US copyright is tricky - proof of pre-1929 publication (or
other scenarios) is still needed for it to be public domain in the US. I'm sorry to be pushy about this, but I've seen other hooks get pulled last-minute for similar issues and I don't want that to happen to you. If you're not able to find original publication information, then the hook would be fine without the image, or with one of her artworks (maybe
File:Frieze by Darlington (9b) History the Sublime Hymn and Astronomy.jpg).
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
22:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Fireze by Darlington (detail)
Thank you for your comment. Here is the image that you requested as a second option.
Note: I always do my best to cooperate on DYK templates, whether as reviewer, creator or nominator. However I also claim the right to an opinion. In this case, you will see that I am doing my best to cooperate. However, in the (nearly) 20 years that I have been a WP contributor, I have never seen a 120-year-old UK photo refused at DYK on those grounds. This image was a carte de visite, as were most photographs in the UK in 1897. They were purchased in batches and used as visiting cards, and were left at the addresses of acquaintances and businesses in the way that we leave our contact details today. Unlike our contact details today, cartes de visite were expected to be shared around by those who received them, because privacy was not an issue in the way that it is today, and cartes de visite were used as a form of advertisement. If that is not a form of publication, I don't know what is.
Storye book (
talk)
09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Storye book: If it's a carte de visite, then I would consider it to have been published. I do think the fireze might be more interesting as a DYK image, since there are a lot of portraits there, but either image is just fine. Great work!
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
21:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
1969 Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick leadership election
Approving hook. Article is long enough and created the same day as DYK nomination. Article is well-sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. Hook is interesting and well-sourced, not sure if there's a better way to word it. QPQ done. Nothing else to comment on from me. Thank you for your nomination
B3251!
Kimikel (
talk)
04:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Kho Ping Hoo, despite writing numerous stories based on wuxia, could not read Chinese?
Source: Sawega, Ardus M. (22 July 1994). "Asmaraman Kho Ping Hoo: "Saya Telah Iklas Pergi ..."" [Asmaraman Kho Ping Hoo: "I've Accepted My Departure ..."]. Kompas (in Indonesian). Jakarta. p. 20.
ALT1: ... that Kho Ping Hoo disliked the film adaptations of his works, feeling that they were almost pornographic? Source: Sidharta, Myra (1994). "Asmaraman Sukowati Kho Ping Hoo (b. 1926): Writer of Cloak-and-dagger Stories in Indonesia". Archipel. 48: 163.
doi:
10.3406/arch.1994.3007.
ALT2: ... that Kho Ping Hoo, a writer of
martial arts stories, would work on up to four manuscripts simultaneously? Source: Sidharta, Myra (1994). "Asmaraman Sukowati Kho Ping Hoo (b. 1926): Writer of Cloak-and-dagger Stories in Indonesia". Archipel. 48: 160.
doi:
10.3406/arch.1994.3007.
Comment: Was away yesterday and didn't get the chance to nominate it in time; requesting extension per
Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines (The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.)
Created by
BeanieFan11 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 196 past nominations.
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Counting a 2 day extension, based on the request, the article is indeed new enough. All other criteria are met. Both hooks are verified and the information is included in the article. My only possible tweak would be to tweak ALT1 from "...youngest football player to be..." to "...youngest football player ever to be...", but that's just my opinion, and you have more experience at DYK than I do, so I trust your wording for the hook if you feel your current wording is better. Waiting on QPQ to mark this as approved.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
13:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Long enough. New enough. Inline citations throughout. AGF as the sources are not online. No copyright issues (5% to 8% similarity per Earwig). Both hooks are cited but I find ALT1 more interesting (as someone who grew up reading Burmese translations of the Condor Trilogy and many other wuxia novels and as a fan of Spaghetti Westerns.) Problem is: ALT1 is not clearly stated in the article itself. Is Oey An Siok supposed to be the second man with no name? Please clarify.
Hybernator (
talk)
23:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
Hybernator. The article has "[Oey Kim Tiang] used a variety of pseudonyms, with ... Boe Beng Tjoe ("the man with no name"), ... attested during this period. Footnote C adds "Oey An Siok also published several translations by himself, borrowing the pseudonym Boe Beng Tjoe". I avoided including the translation twice, but it's the same pseudonym. —
Chris Woodrich (
talk)
14:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Got it. Thanks for the clarification. (And thanks for writing the article.)
Not a review, but "that many reports and academic publications were produced by Fox and collaborators in order to obtain both scientific and financial support for truths?" would make a cracking
April Fools' hook.--Launchballer13:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
very clever
Launchballer, that would indeed be a fun suggestion thank you! And, if we were closer to April now I would have liked to recommend it. But on balance I’d prefer to have this published sooner rather than later - this is my first proposal for a DidYouKnow after all.
Ennegma (
talk)
08:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello
user:Kimikel. I have made some minor adjustments to sections that were highlighted in the report you linked. However, there are several things that the Earwig tool highlights which are technical terms (e.g. "a primary standard cryogenic radiometer"; official names/proper nouns (e.g. "Cryogenic Solar Absolute Radiometer (CSAR)"; or direct quotes to either scientific descriptions (e.g. "constrain and improve retrieval algorithms") or important but non-encyclopedic-style phrases (e.g. "the heart of the calibration system"). Most importantly, there is a blockquote which describes the two primary objectives of the whole satellite - and because these sentences are scientifically specific, I didn't think it would be appropriate to paraphrase them or abridge them more than I already have. I note that
User:CFA left a note
on the article's talkpage two weeks ago that says "Note to future editors: Earwig scores high because of the large block quote in the Science section. There are no actual copyvios." I hope that is sufficient adjustment and explanation for this review process. Thank you.
Approving hook. I was aware of the block quote and scientific names contributing to the earwig, but your latest edit removed some of the phrasings that I was talking about. This article is now good to go. Thank you for you nomination
Ennegma -
Kimikel (
talk)
12:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Steve Elcock's Symphony no. 6 is dedicated to "the everlasting execration of self-serving politicians, the obscenely rich and the system that allows them to remain so"?
Source: Whitehouse, Richard (2021). "A Symphonic Odyssey", in Musical Opinion, issue 1528 (July-September 2021), p.8
@
Smerus: Article is long enough and created same day as DYK nomination. Article is well-sourced and copyvio-free. The hook is interesting and sourced, although the source is inaccessible. QPQ done. There is an issue with the article; namely, the
lead section is insufficient for an article of this length. Once this is fixed, the hook is approvable.
Kimikel (
talk)
01:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
Classicwiki, I've had a quick look at this one. I've made a couple of changes to improve grammar but there are two sections that need citations for the article to be eligible for DYK. Let me know if you can fix these and I will come back to complete the review. Thanks -
Dumelow (
talk)
09:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Classicwiki Mezbalogh was the editor who added that information. It was unclear where they got it from. I left it in while looking for a good source, but was not able to find the 900. I did find a presentation from Nevada Division of Natural Heritage saying 725. I've updated the article to reflect this. That work okay?
🌿MtBotany (
talk)
20:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Mezbalogh is the creator of this article and an entirely new editor unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy who had added some of their (explicitly) original research to the original version and first few revisions. So they probably got it from their individual, original, research.—
Alalch E.23:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks all, changes made look good.
Classicwiki, I will complete the DYK review: Article created 18 June and is of good length; sources used look to be reliable for the content cited; I don't have access to all the sources but didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; hooks are interesting and stated in the article (I amended ALT0 to "around two desert springs" as there is a third cluster nearby), AGF on sourcing to journal I don't have access to; image is good and properly licensed; a QPQ is not required in this case. Should be good to go. I just had one remaining query on a part of the text that discusses recreational use of the area and links this to invasive weeds, which I couldn't find in the source. Once this is sorted it will be good to go -
Dumelow (
talk)
08:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dumelow, I added some citations that these noxious weeds are a problem in Spring Mountains and Clark County area, where the plant is located. Tweaked the sentence. Let me know if there is anything else I need to address. Thx, --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply to me here, please
ping me.05:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Hartiningsih, Maria; Pambudy, Ninuk M (4 February 2006). "Persona: Melani Budianta Mendobrak Batas-batas" [People: Melani Budianta, Breaking Barriers]. Kompas (in Indonesian). p. 12.
ALT1: ... that Melani Budianta used street gangs and
Moonies in Los Angeles to reflect on the state of democracy in Indonesia? Source:
"Alumni & Voices: Melani Budianta". American Indonesian Exchange Foundation. 8 February 2022. Archived from
the original on 10 June 2024. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
ALT2: ... that Melani Budianta's family only allowed books and crafts as birthday presents? Source: Pandu, Pradipta (24 August 2023).
"Persona: Melani Budianta Mendobrak Batas-batas" [People: Melani Budianta, Breaking Barriers]. Kompas (in Indonesian). Archived from
the original on 19 June 2024. Retrieved 19 June 2024.
Approving ALT1 and ALT2 on good faith, pref. ALT2. Article is long enough and new enough. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. QPQ done. Hooks are sourced; in my opinion, ALT2 is the most interesting and accessible for a casual reader. Hooks are all sourced with Indonesian sources. Overall good to go, thank you for your nomination
Chris Woodrich -
Kimikel (
talk)
13:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The article is new enough and long enough. Sourcing is proper; everything is in German so generally AGF on the sources. QPQ is still pending. I did not find any close paraphrasing. Article was on ITN's Recent Deaths section so it remains eligible for DYK. The issue is the hook: it fails
WP:DYKINT as it is reliant on specialist information that general audiences may not have (a reader who doesn't know that the Burgtheater is Austria's main theater might not get the importance, and why is Camille singled out?). It's also too complicated and has too many facts; ideally it should focus on only one primary fact. There's also the issue raised by
4meter4 in the past that these "actor stepping into roles" instances are not actually that interesting or unusual as that's what understudies tend to do. Given that
WT:DYK is not a fan of these "people doing their job" hooks, here are some possible alternatives; I've struck the original hook due to the issues raised above.
ALT1 ... that Gerhard Klingenberg took on his stage name due to a prohibition on students at his school taking up acting?
ALT2 ... that during his tenure as the manager of Austria's
Burgtheater from 1971 to 1976, Gerhard Klingenberg often directed plays with analogies to a divided Europe?
ALT1 - in my humble opinion - is trivia which neglects his importance in the theatre world, and focuses on the Austrian bureaucracy. A you aware that this man recently died?
ALT2 has it, but is very general in the second fact. Why not mention the precise play, which is unusual? Stepping in at 18 seems more interesting to me than the analogies, and more interesting than taking on a stage name.
I hate to name a play in English that was played in German, but for our crowd's sake:
The issue with ALT0 isn't whether or not the play's title is in German or English, but rather the nature of the hook itself. Multiple editors within the DYK community have objected to these "performer plays role" hooks as they're basically about these people doing their job, which isn't what DYK is looking for. ALT0/ALT0a, as mentioned earlier, also fails WP:DYKINT because, again, the hook is heavily reliant on specialist information or context and thus general readers won't get it. I have struck ALT0a as well for the same reasons. You need to propose a completely different angle here, or agree to ALT1/ALT2, because otherwise the nomination will be failed for lack of a suitable hook. To answer your question about Klingenberg's death, him dying recently does not change the issues with the proposal. Just because he died recently doesn't mean a hook about him should be exempt from DYKINT. Is there a problem if ALT1 is "trivia"? Because when you think about it, DYK hooks are supposed to be trivia: that's why they're called hooks.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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23:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
We will have to disagree. ALT1 boils down to "he took a stage name" which is trivial and nothing personal, no achievement. Better no DYK than that. I learned "only good about the dead", and I understand that it is "Did you know ...? interested in passing knowledge. I also claim that a play title such as "Dantons Death" is interesting, and that ALT0b is less interesting.
There seems to be a fundamental disagreement about DYK's purpose because how DYK hooks are meant to be written, per DYKINT, is if they are interesting to a broad audience. That is, if they are likely to be perceived as interesting by non-specialist readers. Highlighting a person or subject's achievements or even claim to fame is at best a secondary reason but not a primary one and definitely not something that is explicitly or even implicitly suggested by the guidelines. The opposition to "trivia" here is surprising considering that, in practice, DYK is intended to promote "trivia". That's why there's so much emphasis on highlighting unusual or eye-catching facts, even if that isn't what the subject is best known for. There is a reason why DYK nominators and reviewers generally prefer hooks that go "DYK that Winston Churchill was an amateur bricklayer?" and not "DYK that Winston Churchill was a British Prime Minister?"
In any case, ALT0c is rejected for the same reason as ALT0a and ALT0b: it is reliant on specialist knowledge and the average readership will not get why it is unusual or interesting ("why is it important that Klingenberg managed the Burgtheater for five years?", "how is his tenure significant or unusual in any way?", "what's the Burgtheater and why is it important?", "what does "step in at age 18 mean?", or "is stepping in at age 18 even unusual or interesting?") If you would prefer the nomination fail rather than agree to a hook that targets general readership then that's your prerogative but ALT0's hook fact by itself simply does not meet DYKINT and thus cannot be used. If you cannot propose a completely different angle from ALT0 and/or accept ALT1/ALT2, then the nomination will be marked for closure.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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01:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
After reading AirshipJungleman29's talk page, maybe an alternate wording of ALT2 could work as well. At the very least I'm certain it will attract more attention to the article than any hook involving him stepping in for a role or any hook about any of his specific roles. Such an angle could work given that the context involved (history) is a lot more accessible than European theatre. If the goal is to promote Klingenberg and allow more readers to click on the article, this angle might do the trick:
ALT3 ... that Gerhard Klingenberg, who decided to leave East Germany following the construction of the
Berlin Wall, directed plays with analogies to a divided Europe?
It does lose the mention of the Burgtheater but that is to prevent information overload and allow a direct focus on the main point; I could propose a slight revision that includes it if you wish. I really don't think the "stepped in" angle is going to withstand scrutiny given how WT:DYK has often raised complaints about role hooks. My main concern with this angle is the context of "analogies to a divided Europe"; the wording is rather vague if the plays themselves were the ones that had analogies, or he directed them in such a way that he incorporated said analogies, but I guess that can be worked out in the article itself.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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11:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the offer, but the greater miracle in his career was that Brecht made this Austrian come to East Berlin, and on that background, the way back seems less dramatic, just a way home more or less, not - as the hook would make me believe - as an East German dissident. I am also not sure that he directed these plays, - he was great - as almost all obituaries say in other words - in attracting the most wanted European directors of the time to do the actual directing job. I see coming that you say that our readers don't know these directors, if you think that they don't know the most important drama house for the German language, and would not be willing to look it up.
The issue here again is always the reliance on specialist information. Most readers do not know who Brecht or the Berliner Ensemble are and thus would not have the required context to appreciate the hook. It's been repeated to you many many many times already, but what keeps happening is that you insist on hooks that primarily appeal to you and not to the general public. You are an expert in European classical music and theatre and most readers are not, so the goal is to appeal to the lowest-common denominator and target the widest audience, not the smallest. ALT3 is probably not the ideal option (I actually somewhat prefer ALT1 myself), but it would almost certainly get more attention than ALT4. I understand you deeply care about these people and their circumstances, but the way things are going, you are really just writing hooks for yourself and not for others, something that
AirshipJungleman29 noted in your discussion with him. In any case, I have struck ALT4 for failing to meet
WP:DYKINT as relying too much on knowledge or context that the vast majority of readers do not have. Again, I get your goal is to educate readers about these subjects, but again, that's the goal of the article, not the hook. The hook's goal is to attract readers to read the article, and then they will learn.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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12:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I have come in to bang heads together, as usual (that expression means making two children shake hands and make friends), and to support one of the hooks.
Firstly,
Narutolovehinata5 and
Gerda Arendt: the DYK hook process, as you know, is primarily about truth, then about appropriateness as a hook, and then about compromise. Most of what you both say, here, is about a reluctance to compromise. Compromise takes two to tango. You are as bad as each other. Everyone has to compromise, not just the other guy.
So I suggest ALT2, (with picture if promoter agrees) because (1) Narutolovehinata5 proposed it, and (2) Gerda Arendt accepted its truth, and did not totally dispute it. Also, to move this nom on, I offer one of my spare reviews:
Jake Bates.
Storye book (
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15:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Storye book, I understand your intentions and want to help Gerda as much as possible. However, you tend to comment on her nominations whenever they encounter issues and particularly after Gerda messages you (see for example
her message inviting you to this nomination). This can give an impression, whether fairly or unfairly, of canvassing to other editors, especially when it is known around DYK circles that you are the editor closest and most sympathetic to Gerda. My suggestion would be that, to avoid concerns about canvassing, you avoid commenting on her nominations if Gerda specifically asked you to do so; however, it might be safer for you to do so out of your own volition, as in commenting on her noms independently of any ping or message. To Gerda, I would also suggest avoiding messaging Storye book specifically regarding your nominations, again to avoid concerns about canvassing. Asking for a second opinion from other editors is not inherently problematic, but when it's usually the same editor, and one known to be sympathetic towards you, that could give others the impression of canvassing, which we'd really want to avoid.
In addition, the QPQ donation is appreciated, but I would advise refraining from doing so in the future except as a last resort. As Gerda is DYK's most prolific editor, she should be very much aware that DYK requires a QPQ within a week of the nomination and a message about it. She should be allowed to fulfill the request on her own, and donating QPQs whenever she forgets to do so could be seen as unfair to other nominators whose nominations get stuck or rejected due to a lack of QPQ.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The comment wasn't about just this nomination but rather the general pattern. Over the years it has been common for you to message Storye book in particular whenever other editors have concerns regarding your nominations and hooks. If it was just a one-time instance, it probably would have been okay, but it wasn't just a one-time thing, and it's a pattern that it's Storye book specifically that you message rather than messaging no editor in particular or even messaging a variety of editors. I understand both of you have good intentions and Gerda wants help from someone knowledgeable, but the focus on Storye book specifically can lead to the impression, whether fair or not, that canvassing is involved. This is especially considering Storye book tends to be more sympathetic towards Gerda's hooks and nominations compared to other DYK regulars.
To be on the safe side, my suggestion for Gerda would be that, whenever you want a second opinion or help, you message multiple editors or at least a variety of them rather than just Storye book (the earlier ping to B was a good start, but B may not have been the best option given he is not a DYK regular and has been largely inactive lately). For Storye book, again my suggestion would be to avoid whenever possible commenting on a Gerda nom if she specifically asked you to do so; it might be safer to comment on them independently regardless of any pings or message if desired.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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16:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
We had an edit conflict, and I have no time to read your last comment, sorry. There's real life. - What I wrote:
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Narutolovehinata5: Your above long and detailed comment is wholly inappropriate. As you have yourself acknowledged, I have not responded in this instance on Gerda's behalf. It was your ALT2 which I chose, and I recommended it as it stood, unaltered. So, how dare you ask me to get off Gerda's nominations? In no way have I on this occasion sided with her. It was quite clear that I asked you both, equally, to compromise. We are all here to move these nominations along. That is what I was trying to do, for the sake of WP, and that is what you should be doing, instead of attacking other people and pretending that people are ganging up on different sides. What on earth is wrong with ALT2? You wrote it. I have approved it. Why not accept it, and move on to another nom.
Storye book (
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17:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Lesley Barsky,
From Generation to Generation: A History of Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital pages 9–10: "The first nurse in charge of the dispensary was Dora "Dorothy" Goldstick, who was to become a driving force behind Mount Sinai Hospital. Born in Windau, Latvia, in 1890, Goldstick had gone ... to train in midwifery. After receiving her diploma from the Medical State Board of Ohio in 1909, she returned to Toronto" and page 131 "with the assembly of hospital matriarch Dorothy Dworkin and a group of escorts"
Review – The article is new enough (promoted to GA on 20 June 2024), is long enough (8000+ characters of prose), has no copyright issues, and is presentable (both per
Talk:Dorothy Dworkin/GA1). The hook is cited and interesting. Although the linked source is not available without an account, I was able to confirm the information by other sources
[13][14], so I don't see an issue here. The image is properly licensed, clear in a smaller size, and used in the article. I thought the most remarkable fact from the article are the thousands of people that she helped immigrate from Europe to Canada to escape the Holocaust, did you consider this for the hook? – Editør (
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16:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I did, but I wasn't sure that 'helped' was strong enough for a good hook. (Her husband and brother-in-law also participated with the travel business, though she is usually singled out as the "rainmaker" who 'made things happen'). Anyways, I thought someone might have a problem with independent sources being a little weak on the specifics. Following is one I'd considered (using 'hundreds' for the 1930s, probably needs some rephrasing). –
Reidgreg (
talk)
23:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that during the 1930s, immigrant midwife Dorothy Dworkin(pictured) ran a labour hall, raised funds for a hospital expansion, published a newspaper, and helped hundreds of European Jews escape the Holocaust?
I see, thanks. I think ALT1 lacks focus, so I prefer the original hook.
Source: Burke, Jason (11 January 2019).
"Why Kabila may be real victor of DRC's contested election". The Guardian. Retrieved 21 June 2024. Tshisekedi is the leader of the Union for Democracy and Social Progress (UDPS), DRC's oldest and largest opposition party. Critics say he is unproven, inexperienced and lacks the charisma of his father. 'His father was a man of the country. The son is very limited,' Valentin Mubake, former secretary-general of Tshisekedi's party told the Guardian last month.
@
Vanderwaalforces: Thank you for taking the time to do this review! I will note that I did have to do a QPQ, which I did. You can double check and, if you see no issues, please modify your review to reflect this. Cheers.
Yue🌙21:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that 185 Montague Street in New York City was once called "one of the jazziest little Art Deco skyscrapers in town"? Source: Morrone, Francis. An Architectural Guidebook to Brooklyn. Gibbs Smith. p. 146
ALT2: ... that one critic likened the design of 185 Montague Street in New York City to the horns of Count Basie's orchestra? Source: Morrone, Francis. An Architectural Guidebook to Brooklyn. Gibbs Smith. p. 146
Overall: Good work overall. Of these hooks, I prefer ALT3 (the contrast of being nearly full in a high-vacancy area stands out) and ALT1 (the connection may be clearer with an explicit mention of Art Deco style).
Epicgenius, did you still want to propose additional hooks for consideration? Complex/Rational15:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that during the construction of 181 Montague Street in New York City, each of the building's columns was pulled by 14 horses? Source: "Big Columns of American Stone". Stone. Vol. 36, no. 2. February 1, 1915. p. 77.
Source: "The book stuck with Smith, a local dentist, for so long that a few weeks ago, at age 62, he climbed the Matterhorn himself."
[15]
ALT1: ... that Banner in the Sky was inspired by the
first ascent of the Matterhorn? Source: "In 1865, an Englishman by the name of Edward Whymper became the first man to climb the ... Matterhorn. ... Ullman took inspiration from this real-life account when ... [writing] Banner in the Sky."
[16]
ALT2: ... that before writing Banner in the Sky Ullman climbed the
Matterhorn with his son? Source: "Ullman has come up with a superb mountain-climbing story for young readers. The author and his son recently climbed the Matterhorn"
[17]
Reviewed:
Converted from a redirect by
Andrewa (
talk) and
TipsyElephant (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: The source stated at both the dyk and the article needs a specific login to a school/institution. This is my third review, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
TheNuggeteer (
talk)
03:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Did you know that Palaeolithic art in Crete was shown no respect by Bronze Age artists? Unless of course, adding more to it was a sign of respect. Alternative hook suggestions are welcome.
Created by
Chipmunkdavis (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.
Ooh, I've never read anything about Paleolithic Crete before! I like this a lot. I like the first hook; it checks out from the source, and the article seems in good shape (eligible, long enough, no evidence of copyvio.) QPQ checks out. Seems GTG!
Generalissima (
talk) (it/she)
19:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Whispyhistory: QPQ done. Article is long enough and created 7 days before DYK nomination. Article is presentable and copyvio-free. Hook is interesting and well-sourced. Article has an issue with sourcing: there is an unsubstantiated claim in the lede that is not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Once this is fixed, the nomination can be approved.
Kimikel (
talk)
02:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that a Michigan TV station rescued and restored a
weather ball(pictured) that had been sitting for years in a scrapyard? Source: Heibel, Lawrence R. (March 28, 2002). "Weather ball may sit on pole by station: WZZM TV-13 is seeking a zoning variance to build the new home for the stainless steel sphere". The Grand Rapids Press. p. A25. (Available upon request)
Overall: Article nominated two days after promotion to GA. Passes
Copyvio check. Picture is free use. QPQ done. AGF on ALT0 offline source. I prefer ALT0, it's more interesting.
Riley1012 (
talk)
21:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Approving nomination. Article is long enough and promoted to GA 1 day before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and copyvio-free (excluding quoted section). Hook is interesting and well-sourced. Image meets criteria. QPQ not needed. Good to go. Thank you for you nomination
Aszx5000!
Kimikel (
talk)
02:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Article is long enough and published a day before DYK submission. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and copyvio-free. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ not needed. Good to go. Thank you for your nomination
Orchastrattor!
Kimikel (
talk)
02:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
article was recently promoted, is long enough and is within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ is complete. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 16:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
Buidhe (
talk), review follows: article created 22 June; article is on the shorter side but exceeds minimum length; sources look to be reliable for the information cited; a QPQ has been carried out; hook fact is interesting and stated in the article. I don't have access to the academic sources cited but happy to assume they support the statement, the JTA contemporary source reports the fact. I didn't spot any overly close paraphrasing from the sources I could access. Looks fine to me, interesting article/subject -
Dumelow (
talk)
12:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that the
Taylor Swift album Red (Taylor's Version) was credited by media publications with popularizing the "Sad Girl Autumn" popular culture phenomenon?
Source: "Speaking of Taylor Swift, we must thank her for originating the season. Last November, the singer-songwriter put a name to “Sad Girl Autumn” when she released a re-recorded version of her album Red" (
The Independent)
Article was promoted to GA and nominated here within the relevant window. Article is long enough and has no copyvio concerns. Hook is sourced appropriately but I would recommend removing the inline attribution to The Independent. One reason is that the article is by a writer with The Independent (rather than an editorial by The Independent). Additionally, the claim that Red (Taylor's Version) spurred "Sad Girl Autumn" is not exclusive to Meredith Clark's article in The Independent. I would recommend altering it to read "that the
Taylor Swift album Red (Taylor's Version) was credited with creating the 'Sad Girl Autumn' popular culture phenomenon?" Otherwise, outstanding work. Looking forward to approving upon reply. ~
Pbritti (
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15:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting and clears Earwig, length, QPQ, and formatting, but can you provide a quotation directly in the reference to verify the claim?
Orchastrattor (
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21:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Grnrchst: the bit about the bob cut would be the only thing that needs verification, is the claim paraphrased directly from the author or does the source simply give some individual examples?
Orchastrattor (
talk)
15:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Orchastrattor: Here's a couple excerpts from the text. It goes further into this in preceding and subsequent paragraphs:
The colonial public was chilled by her [Wong Sau Ying's] exacting premeditation. The ‘bobbed-hair woman’ had arrived in Kuala Lumpur only that morning. Some reports said that she came from Canton; others that she was from Penang, and fluent in Malay. They were, above all, obsessed by the way she looked. [...] The year 1925 was when the ‘Modern Girl’ became a global phenomenon, and in this the women of Asia took the lead. [...] There were stories of ‘bobbed-hair riots’ as far away as Mexico City, of rival ‘anti-bobbed-hair leagues’ and ‘bobbed-hair defence leagues’. [...] The ‘Modern Girl’ was increasingly linked to a dangerous, disordered modernity; to nihilism and to anarchism. As one expatriate journal put it: ‘The now notorious “bobbed-haired” lady might just as well have turned up in Venezuela or Tibet for all the relation that her “mission” had to events in Malaya... Politics virtually do not exist in this country.’ The Straits Times brayed for a system of ‘identity tickets’ to indicate who was a loyal subject of His Majesty King George V and who was not. There were suddenly other sightings of ‘strange’ young women in Kuala Lumpur. [...] At the root of the case was her ‘new style’.
ALT1: ... that research undertaken to create the Ascension Island Marine Protected Area found it would be more economical to ban commercial fishing altogether than to sell fishing licences? Source:
Muench et al. 2022: "It was concluded that the current number of licenses sold would not cover the monitoring and enforcement cost for option 1: partial closure of the EEZ"
Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack
... that when
Didier Berthod failed to make the
first free ascent of Cobra Crack(pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.
Thriley (
talk)
03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that the first home of the Museum of Modern Art was six rooms in New York City's Crown Building? Source: "New Modern Art Museum Opens Exhibit Today: First Showing of Paintings in Heckscher Building Galleries L. by Invitation Admit Public Tomorrow Patrons Lend Works by Cezanne Gauguin. Seurat". New York Herald Tribune. November 7, 1929. p. 48;
Rothman, Lily (November 7, 2014). "The Museum of Modern Art, Then and Now". TIME.
ALT1: ... that Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos bought New York City's Crown Building because of a tearful plea? Source: Moses, Paul (April 10, 1990). "Banker: Imelda's Tears Did Trick". Newsday. p. 17
ALT2: ... that after New York City's Crown Building was sold for tens of millions of US dollars, the Philippine government received about US$3,000? Source: "New York Crown Building Auctioned at $93.6 Million". The Wall Street Journal. February 11, 1991. p. B5A; "NY taxmen go after a third Philippine bldg". Filipino Reporter. March 24, 1994. p. 1.
ALT3: ... that New York City's Crown Building was the world's costliest office building per square foot when it was sold for US$1.75 billion in 2015? Source: Clarke, Katherine (May 15, 2015). "He's a Big Deal Again an Empire's in Play as Spitzer Calls the Shots". New York Daily News. p. 1.
5x expansion confirmed by DYK check tool. Article is appropriately sourced, no issues with CV, neutrality, etc. Hook suggestions are all in the article and appropriately cited to reliable sources. I'm partial to ALT1 or ALT4, but promoter is free to pick any of the hooks, they're all decent. Photo is free, used in the article, and looks good at a small size. QPQ completed. No issues, looks good to me. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)23:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: AGF on the offline sources, but the sourcing frequency is adequate and the online sources are acceptable. I might add to the hook that the device was invented in 1872, and perhaps that it continued to be used through the 20th century, as I think that's an interesting detail. There's a freely-licensed diagram that could be used as a hook image, although the small text labels may be undesirable at 120px.
GorillaWarfare (she/her •
talk)
17:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Adequate sourcing: - The sentences "One of the original steel gates is available for viewing on the Anoka County side of the dam." and "The dam connects to Elm Creek Park Reserve via the Rush Creek Regional Trail." are unsourced.
Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting.
TheNuggeteer (
talk)
00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per
WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
ALT1: ... that the manager of an Alabama TV station expected a countdown clock to get more viewers than his newscasts did? Source: Hubbard, Russell (December 31, 1997). "Time for change: Countdown clock subs for 42 news". The Birmingham News. pp. 1A, 7A.
... that Windy Zhan(pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong
Cantopop girl group
After Class who has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
Source:
"詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...,她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from
the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
"《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文(Windy)雖然沒有得到三甲名次,但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...,5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
Reviewed:
Created by
Will629 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hello,
Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group
After Class has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--
Will629 (
talk)
19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Acoustic Guitar Magazine has said that Dan Erlewine "might be the most famous guitar repairperson on earth"? Source: Same source as above
Earwig is over-quota on searches, but no problems seen when run in links-only mode.
I don't see any problems with NPOV, BLP, etc.
QPQ done.
The sentence "1975, Erlewine had moved to Big Rapids and opened a new shop, Dan Erlewine’s Guitar Hospital" is copied from
https://acousticguitar.com/; that needs to get rewritten.
@
RoySmith: Thanks much for the review. I rewrote the sentence. Also I see someone helped the article by cropping an image for the infobox. I actually emailed the subject to ask for him to upload an image and he replied twice. I told him he would have to be the uploader of the image and he never followed through.
Lightburst (
talk)
22:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
BTW, I've had the same experience with images more than once. It's easy to have somebody say, "Sure, you can use my photo", but once you try to shepherd them through the upload process, you lose them. It's a shame that our upload procedure is so cumbersome we drive people away who would otherwise be willing to give us good images that we need.
RoySmith(talk)01:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Jenny Hurn(pictured) in Lincolnshire, England, is said to be haunted by a boggart that crosses the
River Trent in a dish propelled by oars the size of teaspoons?
Source: "boggart-haunted Jenny Hurn Bend ... 'Jenny' was a long-lived Trentside legend, a water sprite called a 'boggart,' diminutive but dangerous, here 'described' by the pioneering folklorist Ethel Rudkin (1893-1985) .... occasionally crosses the river from the western side, embarked in a small craft resembling a large pie-dish. The pygmy propels the dish rapidly across the stream by means of a minute pair of oars, the size of teaspoons" from: Turner, Derek (7 July 2022).
Edge of England: Landfall in Lincolnshire. Hurst Publishers. p. 293.
ISBN978-1-78738-887-1.
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced and neutral. It's plagiarism free (Earwig 0%) and the hook is cited and interesting. (It might be nice to hyperlink boggart, and/or perhaps add in pie before dish, but neither is neccessary.) The picture used is under free licence, it is clear. QPQ is done. Lovely article.
Lajmmoore (
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07:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Roumani, Maurice M. “The Changing Fortunes of Libyan Jews under Italian Colonialism.” Jews of Libya: Coexistence, Persecution, Resettlement, Liverpool University Press, 2021, pp. 33–34. JSTOR,
https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctv3029jsr.9. Accessed 27 June 2024.
Zanahary, you wrote "which made the ordeal easier for the Jews"--can you explain whose opinion that was or how something was easier? Without such context it's kind of an odd statement. Thanks,
Drmies (
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12:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: "Unilever, Marmite’s parent company, says the sculpture in Burton upon Trent will provide a place for fans to “congregate and worship” the salty spread" from: Baker, Rosie (19 October 2010).
"Marmite unveils brand shrine". Marketing Week. Retrieved 27 June 2024.<
ALT1: ... that a Portland Stone sculpture of a jar of Marmite(pictured) stands in
Burton upon Trent, England? Source: "Marmite lovers says they are delighted with the new sculpture celebrating the yeast spread which has been sited in the centre of Burton-upon-Trent. ... Carved from Portland Stone, the sculpture also incorporates some digital elements. ... 'We intended to keep the design of the piece very simple. The form of the Marmite jar is so instantly recognisable; we wanted to celebrate this iconicity by producing a schematic representation of it'" from:
"Marmite sculpture unveiled". BBC News. 18 October 2010. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
Source:
[20]The only named train operated by the L.I.R.R., the Cannonball first traveled these tracks in the 1890s as an express train between Long Island City and Southampton.
ALT1: ... that the Cannonball(pictured), a
commuter train on the
Long Island Rail Road, once operated exclusively with
parlor cars? Source:
[21]This summer it will have all-parlor car trains on the long runs to the twin tips of Long Island.;
[22]...from May to October, the railroad runs the Cannonball Express, which McNamara called the only all-parlor-car train in the country.
Overall: for ALT1 as I think folks will want to click on
parlor car and it meets the criteria. For ALT0, the name bit didn't really make me want to read more into it. I'm also not convinced that the source for ALT0 fully backs up the claim, as it says it's the only one known by a name, not necessarily that it is still known by the same name. Seems a bit
synthy.
Grk1011 (
talk)
13:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Grk1011: Thanks for the review. There are a couple of other sources throughout the article indicating other named trains no longer run, plus the 2024 timetable and press release that mention the name, but I'm cool sticking with ALT1. Complex/Rational14:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Source 1 doesn't seem to mention the facts in the hook, and the second source seems somewhat partisan and I'm somewhat suspicious of the quality of an article starting with "Did You Know". Does the academic source mentioned in the same paragraph in this article (
[26]) mention it in any way? That would be much better.
Flemmish Nietzsche (
talk)
06:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Flemmish Nietzsche: Sadly, the academic source doesn't back the claim up but it does back up the claim that an area in the Vatican was once a chariot racing track. Though I'm not sure what's Wikipedia's and the DYK's policy on "possibly statements" (i.e. ...that sport in Vatican City possibly started in the 1st century, when a chariot racing track was built in what was then ancient Rome?" I suggest using ALT1 instead if that's the case. Though I can make another hook if it isn't interesting enough.
Arconning (
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06:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Arconning I checked that journal I suggested, fand you're right about it not being definite that the chariot track ever actually existed there. ALT1 is not the most interesting, but I could accept it if there's nothing else better you can find. How about "... that sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of
football?" This might not be the "start" of sport in the area that is now the Vatican, but it seems to be the first major event when that area was under the control of an independent Papal State, so I think it would pass.
Flemmish Nietzsche (
talk)
07:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Flemmish Nietzsche For the hook that you suggested, I'm all for it but with some minor tweaks. Since we can't really determine when sport in Vatican City really started, I think we should put something like "governed by the nation", "started by the nation", or something shorter. (i.e. ... that sport in Vatican City started by the nation began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of
football?").
Arconning (
talk)
07:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Arconning "started by the nation" seems somewhat iffy, as it could be confused with "nation" meaning a group of people sharing a common identity rather than a sovereign state; maybe "state-sponsored" or "officially" would be better? (... that state-sponsored sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of
football?")
Flemmish Nietzsche (
talk)
07:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Allen Eyles (2003), Brighton and Hove Cinemas, p.71. "At midnight on Thursday 8 January 1948, the world premiere of Brighton Rock took place at the Savoy (no other cinema was in the running, as it was made by ABC's associated production company)." (First sentence from a full paragraph about the premiere. The Savoy was the name of the cinema at the time, as noted in the article.)
...No copyvio issues, neutral. Hook is followed by a citation to a reference i cannot see, though a copy of the text is provided above. Reads well and hook and article are interesting. Thank you for your work.
Whispyhistory (
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10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that the jewelers victimized in the theft from a Brink's truck two years ago today admit they undervalued their wares but argue the company should still pay them full value because it was negligent? Source: "So two months later, Brink’s sued them in a New York federal court, in part accusing the jewelers of breach of contract and of fraud because they had allegedly undervalued their items. 'Brink’s believes that each Defendant seeks to recover more from Brink’s than is permitted under the Contract,' the company wrote in its suit ... Two weeks later, 14 of the 15 victims countersued Brink’s in Los Angeles County Superior Court, seeking $200 million in total damages. (Since then, three have settled for an undisclosed sum.) They accuse the company of negligence for putting their valuables in a lightly protected truck, especially after being warned of heightened security risk at the expo." Same source as above
Someone else can review this, but if I promote I'll be changing 'two years ago today' to 'July 11, 2022' as hooks must not be likely to change and I'll be promoting a version of ALT0 truncated at 'truck' per
WP:DYKTRIM.--Launchballer23:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Thanks for an interesting article. Note: Earwig did not work for me so I spot checked the majority of sources and found that they are accurate and not closely paraphrased. AlT0 is exactly 200 characters and ALT1 is 198 (I struck ALT1 because I do not find it
WP:DYKINT. I think ALT0 is the most interesting and it is confirmed by citation in the article. The article has 13 citations cited to Bloomberg which is a cartoon-illustrated article. I do not see why it would not be reliable but it is a curious way to present a serious subject. Also:
Launchballer Suggest you do not trim the hook because your suggestion would remove all interest and it is 200 characters so complies with our guidelines.
Lightburst (
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23:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I've divested the lead of extraneous content and moved the third paragraph up (it makes sense to have 'this was nicked' next to 'here's how'). Airship can adjudicate as to whether the theft of millions of dollars worth of jewelry is interesting on its own.--Launchballer06:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that the Newton Lower Falls Branch was operated with a single electric railcar (pictured) nicknamed the "Ping-Pong"?
Source:
Boston Globe, April 6, 1909; Humphrey, Thomas J.; Clark, Norton D. (1986). Boston's Commuter Rail: Second Section. Boston Street Railway Association. ISBN 9780938315025.
Interesting article. All parts of the article are cited with no problems with copyright. The stated hook is also mentioned in the article with proper sourcing. Good to go.
Toadboy123 (
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14:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC).reply
Was a draft until today so new enough and, as I now realise, also long enough. I can't see any problems in the article around copyvio, POV or OR. Sourcing looks good overall and the hook citations appear to be sound and reliable. The hook is certainly interesting because it caught my eye immediately when I was checking my own nomination. QPQ has been done. I think this is fine and it should be promoted.
PearlyGigs (
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21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose this nomination: An article on this subject was deleted 7 months ago because of weak sourcing. There haven't been any new sources added other than a paper by the two proponents of this theory and lots of other really weak sources. Wikipedia's job isn't to promote anti-vaxx
conspiracy theories or other conspiracy theories, of which in my and other people's opinions, this is one. The only people claiming that ANYONE adheres to these multiple philosophies is Torres and Gebru. ---Avatar317(talk)00:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Original admin who closed AfD undeleted it after i proposed appropriate changes. the AfD never came to consensus of conspiracy theory (just u), and deleted it due to lack of
WP:N. if u want to delete this again, use AfD again or bug the original admin.
Bluethricecreamman (
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01:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I was aware when I did the DYK review that the article is about ideologies, but I don't consider the article to be promoting those ideologies because it is neutral. The subject, in my opinion, is
notable. I can't say I'm knowledgeable about TESCREAL but the article does appear to be adequately sourced. I've been reading it again and I still think the hook should be promoted. But, as I say, I am not an SME in this area so I will happily step aside if an SME is needed. Incidentally, the lead is the primary location of the hook material and its two sources. Thanks.
PearlyGigs (
talk)
09:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I have to second the concerns brought up above: this article was merged in November for poor sourcing and the fact that it seemed to lean very heavily into the op-ed angle of the source it did use. To be clear, I certainly have a great personal distaste for the majority of people who run the majority of software companies, and ethical objections to a good portion of the United States' GDP (I am a diehard Linux user with all of the political implications that entails). However, the implication that "global tech elites" are engaged in a deliberate scheme to carry out eugenics (as one of the sources said from the previous version of this article), based on a collection of op-eds and blog posts where people who hate them say this a bunch of times, seems to raise some rather significant BLP issues. It is somewhat concerning to vaguely imply this in wikivoice as though it's settled fact, and then the citations are to a journal of biosemiotics. jp×
g🗯️02:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Posting on here same stuff as in the Talk Page section:
A) This article was merged for lack of WP:N. If you consider it still an issue, use WP:AfD or bug the original admin who deleted, merged, than undeleted this. It isn't a valid argument to suggest that it's settled that it deserves to remerged if we've added a ton of sourcing and improved on it. Settle it by starting the process to delete it if you want.
B) Are there reliable sources indicating that TESCREAL is a significantly derogatory epithet similar to Libtard/Chud? Marc Andreessen self-describes as TESCREAList. Many of these folks regularly ascribe to multiple of these philosophies as transhumanists, ethical altruists, long-termists, etc. Sourcing here does not necessarily imply that every TESCREAList is also a eugenicist, nor do we use
WP:SYNTH to suggest that these folks are all eugenicists. There is no mention of eugenicist claims in the third section. Also, we have
Big Tech as a wikipedia article along with criticism, which is also a similar "perjorative" against tech companies, and other significant "perjoratives" with negative connotations such as
Democrat in Name Only and
Cuckservative. These all explain what opinion writers and commentators mean, and why. This article is far more tame than many of those.
C) That more than a dozen opinions use a term like this should be notable enough. I suspect that any sort of article about philosophies will require opinionated sources or commentaries. Effective altruism includes sourcing from Centre for Effective Altruism and by extension the Effective Altruism Forum, study centers specifically invested in effective altruism and founded by leaders, as well as many opinions.
D) WP:OPINION applies here, especially for philosphical arguments. I looked for criticisms of TESCREAL. If more are published, we can include them. These sources are WP:SECONDARY, they contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Secondary sources are not necessarily independent sources.
E) If you want to settle WP:BLP, please post in the section on WP:BLPN. We've already started and done this argument. There are multiple sources on WP:PUBLICFIGUREs here alleging that many of these folks use TESCREAL to justify their tech projects, and we make sure to use the word "allege" correctly, as per WP:OPINION, along with the correct sourcing
Conclusion:) TESCREAL is unliked by some portion of folks on here for some reason. I'm happy to listen to arguments, but I want an argument about why we are suddenly so sensitive about criticism of Elon Musk/etc. for using human extinction for every time someone criticizes his behavior or cars or products. If you are just an elon musk/nick bostrum/etc. fan, than say it and stop throwing mud on an article that contains a criticism of philosophies that occurs often enough that we can gather 20+ sources, including 10 using the term in severe detail to directly dissect the argument that yelling extinction every 15 minutes doesn't mean you've justified your next mega project.
Bluethricecreamman (
talk)
04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Hook is interesting and appropriately sourced. Article is both long and new enough. No copyvio concerns. QPQ done. I'd wager that The Mechanism of English Style is either suitable as a redirect or an article. Great work! ~
Pbritti (
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15:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Bloom, John (2015). "The Extraordinary History of Cycling and Bike Racing in Washington, DC". In Elzey, Chris; Wiggins, David K. (eds.). DC Sports: The Nation's Capital at Play. pages 3–5
Kimikel Article meets DYK standards – well-sourced, neutral, and free of plagiarism (the article is a defo must-read, pretty nice writing for a short article). The source comes from a reliable source which is... the bare minimum but yeah it works! The image supplied works as well, pretty nice quality. Original alt works. Arconning (
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15:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Bolded article is newly promoted to GA, article has decent coverage about American Samoa's participation at the games, with citations to reliable sources. Said hook is also fine – cited to a local source reliable for this topic, and the main proposed hook is also more interesting than the alt. QPQ done. No other issues.--
ZKang123 (
talk)
01:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that actor Scott Jarvis was angered when
White House officials under
Richard Nixon requested that portions of his role in the musical 1776 be cut due to its anti-war theme?
This looks good! Long enough, eligible, no evidence of copyvio, QPQ done. Hook is cited in-article. I'll have to AGF on the source itself, but otherwise everything seems good.
Generalissima (
talk) (it/she)
03:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: "the shape of the lozenge is based on the design of the buttons on one of the dresses Doreen Lofthouse wore to the office" from: Chrystal, Paul (30 June 2021).
The History of Sweets. Pen and Sword History. pp. 63–64.
ISBN978-1-5267-7886-4.
ALT1: ... that Doreen Lofthouse sent samples of
Fisherman's Friend lozenges (pictured) to celebrities seen to be coughing in public, including Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan? Source: "” She never missed a marketing opportunity, and whenever any personality was heard to cough in public, she would dispatch Fisherman’s Friends. Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and the Prince of Wales were among her beneficiaries." from:
"Doreen Lofthouse, businesswoman who made Fisherman's Friend lozenges a global bestseller – obituary". Daily Telegraph. 31 March 2021. Retrieved 1 July 2024.
ALT2: ... that Doreen Lofthouse developed
Fisherman's Friend(lozenges pictured) from a local remedy for seamen's ailments into a sweet, made in the billions and exported to 120 countries? Source: "invented in 1865 by James Lofthouse, a pharmacist who devised a range of cures for the trawlermen of the Lancashire fishing port of Fleetwood ... When she suggested trying to sell the lozenges outside the town “they thought I was a little crazy,” she recalled" from: >
"Doreen Lofthouse, businesswoman who made Fisherman's Friend lozenges a global bestseller – obituary". Daily Telegraph. 31 March 2021. Retrieved 1 July 2024. "Since then, the family business has grown to produce about 5 billion lozenges a year" from:
"Fisherman's Friend tycoon leaves £41m to hometown Fleetwood". BBC News. 22 October 2021. Retrieved 28 June 2024. "the cough sweet is now available in 120 countries" from:
"Lofthouses' extra strong marriage". BBC Lancashire. 20 July 2009. Retrieved 28 June 2024.
... Earwig's copyvio~10%, hooks are all in the article followed by citations to references containing the relevant hooks. All 3 hooks are interesting. The image is free. Another very enjoyable work by the author, thank you. Passing proposed hook as alt1 and 2 are too long.
Whispyhistory (
talk)
11:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Drew, Keith (6 July 2023).
"How the Chocolate Islands are rediscovering their roots". BBC. Retrieved 28 June 2024. The trees thrived in the rich volcanic soil, and by the early 1900s, São Tomé and Príncipe was the biggest exporter of cacao in the world, earning it the nickname of 'The Chocolate Islands'.
Comment: Technically, São Tomé and Príncipe is a singular country (a Portuguese colony at the time mentioned in the hook). The hook should therefore use singular conjugations of verbs, but it sounded too odd upon my initial reading. I thus changed the verbs to their plural conjugations, as if the islands themselves are being described rather than the modern country or the former colony. I have nonetheless included my original wording as ALT1, in case the reviewer or promoter wants to compare the two.
Created by
Yue (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Hi
Yue, review follows: article created 3 July and exceeds minimum length; I reworded one sentence slightly to move it further from the source, but otherwise I don't think there is an issue with overly close paraphrasing; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the subject; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited (BBC); a QPQ has been provided; image is properly licensed and looks fine. I changed from single to double quotation marks in the hooks to match the article and, I think, our MOS. In terms of plurals I think
English_plurals#Geographical_plurals_used_as_singular discusses this; either alternative sounds OK to me but British English tends to be a bit more flexible than US English on this (see eg.
Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Plurals) -
Dumelow (
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09:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dumelow: Thank you for taking the time to do this review! On second thought, maybe ALT1 is the better choice because ALT0 implies that there were two exporters instead of one.
Yue🌙02:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: This has incubated a long time. I started
Big Duck in 2006 and finally got around to getting it up to GA standards. By coincidence, I saw that
Chiswick Chap had just put
Domestic duck up for review. We reviewed each other's GA noms, which as far as I can tell from
WP:DYKRR is not a problem.
Improved to Good Article status by
RoySmith (
talk) and
Chiswick Chap (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 39 past nominations.
Hah, the Big Duck image looks great. Yeah, I think the round-robin with the reviewing is fine here. Great articles all around; both are eligible and high-quality. Source checks out, as do both QPQs.
Generalissima (
talk) (it/she)
02:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm eschewing the McDowell image as it is too closely cropped and eliminates the forehead, which has been mentioned
as an element of the Kubrick stare. I really desire this to be an image hook (as does the subject of the photo), so I'm fine with a set-builder pushing this far back or anything similar.
Created by
Bremps (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
QPQ is done, article is new enough, article is long enough.
WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely". Personally I would not use the hook mentioning Trump's mug shot, because it would be a bit strange to mention it but then show an entirely different photograph. ALT3 is the one I think is best because it matches the photograph the most. Overall, good to go for ALT3. Di (they-them) (
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15:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I just noticed that Stanley Kubrick's 96th birthday is coming up on July 26. If it does not compromise the image hook, could we have the hook run on that date? Thanks.
Bremps...19:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply