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CheckUser: Weldingveerasamy ( talk · contribs) could be a sockpuppet of Venki123 ( talk · contribs)
Hi ArbCom,
Weldingveeramy ( talk · contribs) who is taking part in this arbitration is clearly a very recent user. He seems to be a sock puppet of Venki123 ( talk · contribs) and is playing both sides. I strongly suggest a "check user" to make sure he is not a sock puppet of Venki123 ( talk · contribs). Thanks, Mudaliar 20:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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Solutions and closure to arbitration needed - Possible Solution
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Hi Arbitrators,
I'd like to thank you first for taking the time to go through this arbitration procedure. Personally I think the arbitration procedure has to be brought to closure.
The reasons are
- Leaving the articles as they are; Future editors, sockpuppets could start the same game again.
- All the hard work put in by the current editors will be useless unless the arbitration reaches closure.
- If other editors do this game again, the same ruckus will be created with dispute resolution, RFC, mediation and arbitration.
- Other admins, mediators and arbitrators have to be involved along the same lines at a future time.
- Finally in the spirit of Wikipedia, articles should not used for propaganda. The articles should only reflect truth and should NOT contain lies and false references.
Please see the article Gounder which went through a similar phase and was finally resolved with a page linking to pages of the different groups. Gounder is also a title similar to Mudaliar. It has been used for many centuries and claimed by various groups.
Venki 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Venki123 ( talk · contribs)'s claims have been proven bogus. Now he is attempting to create more ambiguity and deviate this dispute by comparing it to some random article. Comparing the article to Gounder is as good as comparing chalk and cheese. Numerous references have been provided which all prove my claims and statements beyond any doubt. Anyone reading through Venki123 ( talk · contribs) contribution to the Evidence page will realise he has been ranting aimlessly. Moreover Venki123 should be banned from wikipedia for personal attacks against me and for chronic racial attacks against the community. The above solution is just another means of pushing his POV and it is not acceptable. Mudaliar 14:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Venki123 must be banned from editing Wikipedia
3) Venki123 ( talk · contribs) must be banned from wikipedia indefinitely as he has been using wikipedia as a medium to fling racial attacks against me and other editors in the community. Numerous differences have been provided by me in the Evidence page. Mudaliar 14:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Kaikolar description is authentic from various sources
The Kaikolar description matches numerous references. Please check the evidence page for references that define the Kaikolars clearly. Mudaliar 18:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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The Gounder article is completley unrelated to any of the articles in dispute. So it should not be taken as an example. Mudaliar 18:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Mudaliar article
- Mudali, the shortened form of Mudaliar, is the surname of Tondaimandala Vellalas: proof given in evidence page
- Not a single proof has been given to show that Kaikolars used it as a surname
- Venki123's claims have been proven false and he also lies blatantly in the evidence page.
- Venki123 has engaged in edit-wars and other disruptive behavior along with intimidating editors in the community by using profane language and attacks along racial lines. Venki123 ( talk · contribs) and his related ips and sock puppets must be banned from editing this article.
Mudaliar 18:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Devadasi article
- Academic references have been given in the evidence page which show that my edit to the Devadasi article page was valid.
- Valid academic references have been deleted by Venki123 ( talk · contribs) from the Devadasi article to push his POV.
- Once again Venki123 has engaged in disruptive behavior and hence he and his sock puppets must be banned from editing this article.
Mudaliar 18:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Final Request - Banning is not the complete solution; Consult admins who solved the article Gounder
4) The scope of the article is to describe the various ethnic groups that use the title Mudaliar. Since I was provoked with needless slander by Mudaliar ( talk · contribs), I ended up in edit warring and reverting and blaming games.
However please consider all the corrective and constructive steps I have taken and the manner of my discussion with other editors apart from Mudaliar ( talk · contribs).
All of the work and research should not go useless. Please consider my proposed solution and consult other admins who came up with the solution in article Gounder.
If it is possible elsewhere in Wikipedia, why not in this article?
Even if you ban me atleast preserve my work. Venki 16:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Venki123 ( talk · contribs) has been constantly engaging in racial attacks against me and other editors in the community to push his POV through intimidation. He has done nothing constructively and all of the references were in fact given by me and other editors while he has only been deleting valid academic sources from the various articles. Article Gounder should not be used as an example to resolve this issue as it is totally different. This method is just another way by which Venki123 ( talk · contribs) intends to push his POV.
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Final Arguments
4) The scope of the article is to describe the various ethnic groups that use the title Mudaliar.
The best way is to split it like the article Gounder.
List of my arguments - Please see my evidences
- Mudali is a official designation given by kings as shown by author C. Sivaratnam and numerous inscriptions.
- There is no proof on which group used the title as surname first.
- Kaikolas have been using this title and surname for over 1000 years as shown in inscriptions.
- Current Kaikolas and Devadasi are separate castes as shown by Buchanan and Thurston in their books.
- TMSV has not come up with a single proof.
- All proofs and books are about TMV alias KKV.
- The 4 article Sengunthar, Sengundhar, Kaikolan, Kaikolar have to be merged.
- Devadasi article should be cleaned up based on evidences shown.
Venki 16:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Mudaliar article is different from Gounder article and hence the latter should not be used as an example
to resolve this issue. Moreover Venki123 ( talk · contribs) is attempting to give a new twist to this dispute and only intends to push his POV very cunningly though this method. This is not acceptable. He has been proven wrong on all counts and is unable to explain any of the valid academic references that I have given. Moreover he lies blatantly on the evidence page saying that Kaikolars used Mudaliar as a surname, while he has not quoted a single source to prove this.
- Mudaliar is the surname of Tondaimandala Vellalars: valid references given by me in evidence page.
- Not a single proof has been given that show that Kaikolars used it as a surname or title.
- Kaikolar Devadasis are clearly an offshoot of the current Kaikolars and some of the present Kaikolars are offsprings of Kaikolar Devadasis and men from Brahman communities: proof given in the evidenc page.
- Valid references in the Devadasi article should remain intact and Venki123 must be blocked to prevent him from engagin in disruptive behavior over these articles.
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Based on today's edit history the future of these articles is same as their past - Edit war All over again
Hi Arbitrators,
Just for your consideration on what will happen most likely if this arbitration procedure leaves these articles as is: please see the edit history of the articles Sengunthar, Kaikolar and Kaikolan, today May-1-2007.
I did NOT change the two main contentious articles Mudaliar and Devadasi. Even then, User:Mudaliar reverted my changes so fast to all these articles. Tomorrow there will be other editors doing the same and there won't any end to this edit wars.
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