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July 2, 2024

July 1, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Auriga → Auriga (disambiguation) – The constellation is the primary topic. It has much more pageviews [1] than any other topic that has its own article, with only Charioteer of Delphi having a considerable number of pageviews, altought 3.3 times less than the constellation (749,272 vs 223,709 pageviews since 2015). It is also notable that the Auriga of Delphi redirect neither exists nor is linked at its "parent" page, which shows that almost no one has ever searched for Charioteer of Delphi using the name Auriga of Delphi. Therefore, Auriga (constellation) satistifes the first criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. 21 Andromedae ( talk) 18:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Airborne Interception radar → Aircraft interception radar – The article's current title, "Airborne interception radar," is problematic for two reasons. First, the claim that "AI," an abbreviation used throughout the article, stands for "airborne interception" (in terms of radar) is unsourced, and is contradicted by a number of credible sources that state that "AI" has historically stood for "aircraft interception" (see sources below). The second problem with the original title is that it's misleading and/or confusing. There's an entirely different class of "airborne" radars NOT covered in this article: air-to-surface-vessel (ASV) radar systems, which are designed to detect ships and surfaced submarines, and which are often installed on aircraft. (ASV radars are already covered, appropriately, in a separate article.) As this change may have significant impact, I'm submitting it as a request rather than making the change directly. Thanks. Supporting sources to retitle article to "Aircraft interception radar": * From the first entry in the article's Bibliography ( AP1093D: An Introduction Survey of Radar, Part II (PDF). Air Ministry. 1946.)  : [opening statement, on page 6:] "Aircraft interception equipment, commonly known as AI [...]". * Henry E. Guerlac, 1987. "Radar in World War II". ISBN 0-88318-486-9. ( https://archive.org/details/radarinworldwari0008guer/mode/2up?view=theater)  : [from p. 1123, in the glossary:] "AI: Aircraft interception. Radar to detect and trace aircraft from another airplane." * From "A Textbook of Radar". Edited by E.G. Bowen. United Kingdom, Chapman & Hall, 1948. ( https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Textbook_of_Radar/K4I8AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA530-IA4&printsec=frontcoverv)  : [section title, p. 530:] "Aircraft Interception (AI)" * Norman Fine, (2019). "Blind Bombing: how microwave radar brought the Allies to D-Day". Potomac Books. ISBN 9781640122208.  : [page xv:] ABBREVIATIONS AND TERMS  : AI  aircraft interception  : [p. 70:] Influenced greatly by British needs, the initial radar projects — an airborne radar system for aircraft interception (AI) and a gun-laying radar that would track bombers overhead and automatically control the aiming of antiaircraft artillery pointed skyward — were strictly defensive at this time.  : [...]  : Britain also critically needed an aircraft-to-surface-vessel (ASV) radar system that could locate German U-boats from the air and destroy them before they could dive. * U.S. Radar: Operational Characteristics of Radar Classified by Tactical Application: AI—Aircraft Interception Sets. Joint Chiefs of Staff. 1 August 1943. [...]. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20100410000309/http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/radar-8.htm)  : DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER  : 805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD  : WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060  : [Chapter heading, pp. 57-60:] AI--Aircraft Interception Sets .. Marnofaldi ( talk) 17:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Waitematā railway station → Britomart Station – Per the WP:CRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME There are six results for Waitemata station on scholar: [6] Britomart has far more and when only including articles from 2023 or newer it still has more: [7] [8] [9] Waitemata railway station and variations have no results on Google Books. The only reliable source for google news is: [10] which includes Britomart as a name for the location. Britomart comes up far more often and is even as recently as March this year: [11] Britomart is clearly both used more often and more recognisable for the obvious reason of Waitemata being a term that has refers to many different areas in the Auckland region. This article was originally moved from Britomart Transport Centre without any discussion. I do not see evidence for 'Britomart Transport Centre' being used more than Britomart Station; however, it is used more than Waitemata Railway Station and any variation I could find. Traumnovelle ( talk) 10:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 11:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Justine (de Sade novel) → Justine (Sade novel) – In the French naming custom, the prefix "de" is not considered part of last name and is not capitalized. It is not used when the first name or the title is not used, i.e., it is correct to say "Guy de Maupassant" or "Monsieur de Maupassant," but it is incorrect to say "De Maupassant" by itself. This is not a controversial take, it's linguistic fact found in all articles regarding the topic of French naming conventions. Now, the second question to be settled is whether or not "Sade" is the common English usage as well, like Maupassant is. There are cases like De Gaulle where the incorrect rendering is so prevalent in the English-speaking world that it'd be incorrect to redirect a page to refer to him as "Gaulle." However, it can be argued that this is not the case with Sade. While "De Sade" is also common and may even be found in some (generally older) credible sources (the most important of which is Britannica), almost all prominent works regarding him today refer to the correct last name, Sade. This is also a non-controversial take in my opinion, as it is evident in the writer's own article and the works it mentions or lists as sources (such as the famous "Must we burn Sade?" by Simone de Beauvoir or "Sade, Fourier, Loyola" by the famous Roland Barthes. Even further research (outside the body of Wikipedia itself) would show that most prominent, modern, credible works in English refer to him by the universally correct variant and that it's not obscure by any means. Painfully, it seems that this article was originally titled correctly and it was moved to the current title in 2016, whose "support" which I'm reading now in the talk page includes some very questionable statements (such as "...it is quite rare in sources in that form and is mostly only found in obsolete ones...") and even some blatantly incorrect and clearly refutable ones (such as "...the name used as a human name is de Sade"). Without any intention of speaking ad hominem, it seems highly likely that the people in charge of the 2016 move were neither familiar with French nor with works referring to Sade. P. T. Tabayi ( talk) 07:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 11:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( Goodbye!) 08:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Second Northern War → First Northern War – Most historiographies, including English in Encyclopædia Britannica, say that this is the First Northern War, not the Second. The only historiography that doesn't say that this is the First Northern War is the Polish-Lithuanian one, and according to an old thread in the talk page, English historiography must take precedence over other historiographies. So, this is why this should be the First Northern War. PortugueseWikiMan ( talk) 12:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Polyamorph ( talk) 08:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Trammel of Archimedes → Ellipsograph – The "elliptic trammel" or "elliptic compass", sometimes since ~1940 misattributed as the "trammel of Archimedes" even though it has nothing to do with Archimedes, is one type of tool for drawing ellipses or "ellipsograph". The more generic term "ellipsograph" currently redirects to this article, and ellipsographs in general are described in a section near the end. In my opinion this article would be improved by re-organizing it to make the general topic of drawing ellipses be its root scope, with the elliptic trammel as a top-level section, as a sibling to other instruments/methods for drawing ellipses. An alternative would be to split this into two pages, one called "elliptic trammel" and the other called "ellipsograph", but in my opinion the scope would be substantially overlapping and we don't have enough to say to make a single unified article swell beyond reasonable size constraints for Wikipedia articles. Readers interested in the elliptic trammel per se would benefit from reading the basic context belonging at an article about ellipsographs in general. – jacobolus  (t) 04:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Promotion of anorexia → Pro-ana subculture – The umbrella term of 'pro-ana' in online spaces includes both the traditional 'encouraging anorexia as a lifestyle choice' definition as well as people who are not ready for recovery from their eating disorders, but desire a safe space to talk about them, such as venting about current struggles or sharing harm reduction tips to maintain as semi-normal a life as possible while struggling with their mental illness. Personal discomfort with the terminology shouldn't take precidence over the historical usage (documented as early as 2007). Ju1c3machine ( talk) 07:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Queen of Hearts  talk 00:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC) reply

June 30, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Government of Wales Act → Wales Act – WP:TITLECON, the Wales Act 2014, the Wales Act 2017 have both been passed, so the name norm has changed away from "Government of Wales Act" - currently "Wales Act" redirects to the 1978 law regarding the failed referendum, but this would be referred to on this new "Wales Act" page in the same way the failed 1978 referendum is referred to in the Scotland Act. The Scotland Act lists the act for the 1978 referendum, and all subsequent laws in this area. The Northern Ireland Act page includes pages that don't strictly have the name "Northern Ireland Act", e.g. the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973. DotCoder ( talk) 16:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Polyamorph ( talk) 17:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Hong Kong Film Award → Hong Kong Film Awards – The plural form is the one in both common and official usage, including in the article itself and whenever referenced elsewhere on Wikipedia, and makes the most sense given that there are multiple awards. Moreover, pretty much all other awards ceremonies are in the plural (eg, Academy Awards, Golden Horse Awards), so this would be consistent with that; indeed Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals) says that articles about groups of things should be plural, and this is very much a group of awards. Pinging @ UnitedStatesian: you moved the article to the singular form a long time ago citing a discussion at WP:NC, and while I was not able to find a discussion post referencing this page, I don't doubt its existence, but I do think its reasoning should be revisited in light of the overwhelming usage to the contrary. In fact I tried to move this page myself but found myself unable to because the plural was previously in use so the page already exists. ChromeGames ( talk · contribs) 04:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  – robertsky ( talk) 08:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply

June 29, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Drone warfare → aerial drone warfare – This article only covers warfare with aerial drones, UAVs and UCAVs. It does not cover that such as robot dogs with machine guns, robot UXOD catepillar crawlers with shotguns, suicide sub torpedo drones, robot boat minelayers, or attack sea drones (such as those sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet). So the title of the article should match its scope of aerial drones, and not all drone warfare -- 64.229.90.32 ( talk) 04:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply

June 28, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – 2024 Pune car crash → 2024 Pune Porsche car crash – The word "Porsche" is a big identifier of this case - the brand of the car crashed is a big assosciation and that is how the case is often talked about in the media. People know it as the "Pune Porsche" case rather than the "2024 Pune car crash". Hence, for this article and this case, I believe the word Porsche should be added. The article thumbnail contains all references, more can be researched. To help my case, the article's thumbnail image is already the Porsche car model. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. >>>  Extorc. talk 07:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

June 27, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Lunar soil → Lunar regolith – "Lunar regolith" is a much more accurate common term to refer to this specific Lunar surface material, and is generally a more favoured search term than "lunar soil" per google trends. The current title also unintentionally obscures this from pages like regolith, which discuss the concept more broadly that's being applied here. As others pointed out in the last move that was made, it's the more accurate term to use for this topic. I'm also requesting the same move for Martian soil. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 08:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Jajangmyeon Museum → Gonghwachun – This museum is in the former facility for a historic Chinese restaurant called Gonghwachun that ran from c. 1905–1983. I think the museum is less notable than the restaurant it used to house. There's actually three related concepts at play here: 1. The restaurant 2. The museum 3. The modern restaurant chain founded in 2004 that claims to succeed Gonghwachun (this claim is disputed, per [28]). I think, for now, they should all be discussed on a single page unless there's sufficient grounds for a WP:SIZESPLIT in future. But I think a size split is unlikely for a long time. If this move passes, I'll handle the rescoping of the page. Plan to significantly rewrite it. 211.43.120.242 ( talk) 05:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC) reply

June 26, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Battle of Geneina → Geneina massacre – Referring to the page as the Battle of Geneina made sense when it was first created, but the June massacres and new details and reports revealing the amount of the destruction and killings shows that this was moreso a coordinated campaign of massacres and attacks by the RSF and allied militias against the Masalit people in Geneina, with just about every source highlighting the genocidal massacres and atrocities over the clashes. Jebiguess ( talk) 03:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC) reply

June 25, 2024

  • ( Discuss) – Jutish → Jutlandic – I'm requesting a move to the new article, along with its associated talk page, because while the terms "Jutish" and "Jutlandic" can be synonyms and refer to either anything related to the ancient Germanic tribe called the ' Jutes', anything related to the Jutland peninsula in Denmark, or the ' Jutlandic dialect' spoken in Denmark, the terms "Jute", "Jutish" and "Jutic" normally refer to anything related to the ancient Germanic tribe called the ' Jutes' (according to the entries on Wiktionary, Jute, Jutish and Jutic), while the terms "Jutlandic" and "Jutlandish" normally refer to anything related to the Jutland peninsula in Denmark, or the ' Jutlandic dialect' spoken in Denmark (according to the entries on Wiktionary, Jutlandic and Jutlandish), while the term "Jutlander" normally refers to anyone from the Jutland peninsula in Denmark (according to the entry on Wiktionary). But this definitely warrants further discussion. It seems we have five options here: # Retain the status quo, with the disambiguation page as the primary topic, # Move Jutlandic dialect to Jutlandic and retarget Jutish to Jutes, # Retarget Jutlandic to Jutish, # Move Jutish to Jutlandic and then do either of the following:  :: a. retarget Jutish to Jutlandic,  :: b. retarget Jutish to Jutes My personal preference is (4b), to move Jutish to Jutlandic and then retarget Jutish to Jutes, so I've styled the RM that way. But editors are also free to suggest whichever option they want in this RM. PK2 ( talk) 03:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 12:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Emu War → Emu culling – Consensus per prior discussions [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] is that this was a largely unsuccessful wildlife management campaign, not a bona fide war against the emu population. Despite this, there still remains a vocal contingent of disruptive editors who didn't get the memo and actively refuse to take their shitposting somewhere else. Various countermeasures have been put in place over the years in an attempt to curb the amount of vandalism this page attracts, from changing the article's infobox template from Template:Infobox military campaign to the less-permissive Template:Infobox military operation, to placing warnings against altering the infobox in the page's source code, to putting this article under indefinite semi-protection. None of them have worked, because all of them fail to address the root cause of the problem: the article's title, which these vandals use as their casus belli. [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] (That, and WP:LULZ.) I hereby propose that this page be moved to Emu culling - they can't vandalize Emu War if there isn't a page with that name to begin with. While "Emu War" is the most commonly-used title for this campaign by reliable sources, we are not necessarily shackled to it. WP:COMMONNAME states that "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. Neutrality is also considered; see § Neutrality in article titles, below." This would certainly fit the bill - as previously established, this was a wildlife management campaign, not a war. WP:NPOVNAME further states that "Notable circumstances under which Wikipedia often avoids a common name for lacking neutrality include the following:  :1. Trendy slogans and monikers that seem unlikely to be remembered or connected with a particular issue years later  :2. Colloquialisms where far more encyclopedic alternatives are obvious" "Emu War" is a textbook example of the latter case. Renaming the article to Emu culling will make it WP:CONSISTENT with other articles on wildlife culling (cf. Cormorant culling, Shark culling, Seal culling in South Australia), expand the article's scope to allow for more extensive coverage of other instances of emu culling, and hopefully put the WP:LAME edit warring over how the article's infobox is formatted to rest once and for all. Summoning @ Nick-D, Some guy, Georgewilliamherbert, Anotherclown, and AustralianRupert for comment. — Kodiak Blackjack ( talk) • ( contribs) 10:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Dong Huling → Tung Hu Ling – The editors involved in the move from Tung Hu Ling to Dong Huling one year ago now agree the move should be undone. The subject of this article used the name Tung Hu Ling in his personal life, and based on reliable sources was known to the general public under that name as well, in the United States and around the world. Tung Hu Ling is a redirect page so an administrator's assistance is requested to complete this return move, and additional comments are invited. This was our discussion:  ::...this [move from Tung Hu Ling to Dong Huling] has become controversial because this person lived quite a long time in the United States under the name Tung Hu Ling, and that is the name on his headstone in Honolulu as you can see in this photo. His son Tung Kai Ying moved to the USA with him; he and his descendants also spell their surname Tung. Would you support undoing the move, and if so do you have a preference as to how we initiate it? Jōkepedia ( talk) 04:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Gaza Strip famine → Starvation of Palestinians during the Israel-Hamas war – No source is saying this is a famine. They say near-famine, starvation, or famine-like conditions. Contrary to some claims, there is not one source in this article that declares a famine. The FRC said there wasn't enough evidence to declare a famine, and other sources agreed. But pretty much all reliable sources say there is starvation. In every report, most of the population is in some form of starvation, and sources have gladly accepted this term. Additionally, starvation has been confirmed by pretty much all humanitarian orgs, the UN, ICC, and ICJ. Also, there is no common name. I want to see evidence there's a widely used name. The name doesn't have to be this, but it should revolve around starvation in Gaza. Personisinsterest ( talk) 01:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • ( Discuss) – Death of Jeffrey Northrup → R. v. Zameer – The event of Northrup's death is fundamentally the core issue surrounding the trial of Crown v. Zameer, which realistically should be the primary topic on this matter. This topic should fundamentally be about that with the inclusion of Northrup's death and additional details in their totality, not a cursory discussion around just the LEO's death. That presents an undesirable bias centered on the LEO and not on any other substantial issues produced by and/or resultant of the death/trial (notably criticism of the Crown's arguments and theories by the judicial system, possible evidence of collusion admist Crown witnesses, jury instructions, etc). The fact that the trial has concluded, there exists extensive reporting through both legal filings and multiple media sources to substantiate a much more thorough representation of the event described and its greater consequences (as evidenced by judicial and jury outcomes and public discussion). Himay81 ( talk) 19:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 23:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • ( Discuss) – Mokai Tramway → Taupo Totara Timber Company Railway – The proposed title makes this article easier to find. Many readers will have heard of the "TTT", the tourist town of Taupo, or Lake Taupo. Few people will be familiar with the sawmilling village of Mokai, which today has only a few houses and a marae. The name also distinguishes the main Putaruru to Mokai line from the bush tramways radiating from Mokai. Many of these tramways were accessible only to selected TTT Railway rolling stock. In contrast, all TTT locomotives including the Mallet and the four-wheeled locos were able to run through to Mokai, where the company had its main mechanical workshop. The proposed new title also distinguishes the TTT Railway from the Kinleith Branch, which covered only part of the route and was built on formation that was largely new. (The original TTT formation north of Tokoroa is still visible in some places). I have a large collection of source material on the railway and the company and I hope to add more info and true primary citations as time permits. I will also propose that a separate page be set up covering the TTT company itself Kbwc56 ( talk) 00:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 00:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 10:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 21:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 Slatina protests → Death of Flavius Magraon – This looks more notable, in any case. The article should be centered on the main event and not on the protests that were a consequence of it. The death of a person is also more relevant than seemingly small and unconsequential (beyond the local level) protests. This title format, consistent with other articles, also puts the scope onto the person who was a professional footballer which is something that can be written more about in the article. Super Ψ Dro 23:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 21:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Chinilpa → Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan – See my talk post above this; this article is currently titled using a term considered derogitory, and isn't exclusively a discussion about the word itself per WP:WORDISSUBJECT. It actually significantly talks about the people alleged to be collaborators. That'd be like talking about a people group under an article titled with a slur for them; that's clearly not neutral, it feels like it's validating the slur. Note: I'm not expressing sympathy for nor opposition to collaborators here, I am purely trying to apply WP:NDESC. My proposed new title matches Category:Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan; I just chose to use it for consistency and because it's an adequate title, open to suggestions for other titles. Side note, but the term itself is possibly independently notable and could eventually get its own article, but current article lengths suggest to me that it should all be in one. 104.232.119.107 ( talk) 20:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 20:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity". [2] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.

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  1. ^ https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-08&end=2024-05&pages=SS_Auriga|Charioteer_of_Delphi|HMS_Auriga_(P419)|AURIGA|Auriga_(constellation)
  2. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
TRCRF22 ( talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Nuseirat refugee camp massacre → Killing of civilians during Nuseirat raid and rescue – The word "massacre" is listed as a non-neutral term at WP:POVNAMING and should not be used unless it's a WP:COMMONNAME, which it isn't in this case. "Killing of civilians" is perfectly neutral (see WP:KILLINGS) and covers the idea of "massacre" but in a neutral way. Two anticipated objections: *While there is currently a discussion to merge this article, I don't see any consensus there. If consensus does develop to merge/delete this article, then an admin is perfectly capable of closing this RM and redirecting this article. But until then, this article must still follow WP:NPOV. *While Israeli and Palestinian officials dispute how many civilians were killed, the fact that at least some civilians (including children) were killed during the raid is a established fact that RS state in their own voice: **"At the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in the nearby town of Deir al-Balah, the dead and wounded arrived in waves — men, women and children." Associate Press **"Many Palestinians, including children, were killed and injured in the area where the operation took place, with images and footage showing a large numbers of casualties." BBC News **"Video in the aftermath of the raid showed charred bodies scattered across streets in Nuseirat, while Palestinians could be seen gathering the remains of those killed. Bloodied children could also be seen arriving at a local hospital". NBC News Finally, the move target should be "Killing of civilians during X", where X is the name decided for 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation article per WP:CONSISTENT. Currently there seems to be a lot of support for moving that article to "Nuseirat raid and rescue". VR (Please ping on reply) 04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation → Nuseirat raid and rescue – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue. Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage." NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault", CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities." Selfstudier ( talk) 15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes → September 2022 Azerbaijani attack on Armenia – I have not seen a single reliable source saying that Armenia attacked Azerbaijan. But multiple reliable sources say the opposite. Various sources describe the events as an “invasion”, “offensive”, “attack”, or “assault.” There is consensus that Azerbaijan was the one who initiated the hostilities. Some talk about “Azerbaijan’s Invasion of Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Offensive on Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Attack on Armenia”, but they all agree on one thing: Azerbaijan was the initiator of the clash, and it was Azerbaijan who attacked. Therefore, the title “Attack of Azerbaijan on Armenia” perfectly reflects the vast majority of reliable sources and is the least ambiguous. I will provide the overwhelming evidence below: * Human Rights Watch:  :“The killings took place during fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces that broke out in mid-September, when Azerbaijan made incursions into Armenia...” * Genocide Watch:  :“Azerbaijani military attacks on Armenian territory show Azerbaijani disregard for Armenian sovereignty.” * Freedom House:  :“Freedom House Condemns Azerbaijani Attacks on Armenia”  :“The Azerbaijani armed forces must immediately cease their deadly attacks on Armenian territory” * Axel Gehring, Ph.D., political scientist and expert in the field of foreign and security policy and researcher at the Institute for Critical Social Analysis of the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation in Berlin:  :“On September 13, regular Azerbaijani troops launched a large-scale attack on Armenian territory. This attack took tensions between the countries to a new level.” * Laurence Broers is a specialist in conflicts in the Transcaucasus, founder of the scientific journal Caucasus Survey:  :"Azerbaijan's recent attack seeks to enforce terms in negotiations with Armenia" “ The recent large-scale cross-border attacks inside Armenia by Azerbaijan...” * Maximilian Hess, Research Fellow for Central Asia at the Foreign Policy Institute, in Foreign Policy magazine:  :“Azerbaijani forces who marched into Armenia continue to occupy part of its territory, in particular heights around the town of Jermuk.” * David L. Phillips, conflict analyst in The National Interest:  :“The United States criticized Azerbaijan's recent attacks on Armenia proper” * European Parliament Resolution:  :“Strongly condemns the latest military aggression by Azerbaijan on September 12, 2022 on the sovereign territory of Armenia”  :“calls on the Azerbaijani authorities, therefore, to immediately withdraw from all parts of the territory of Armenia “ * Wojciech Gorecki, senior researcher at the Department of Turkey, Caucasus and Central Asia:  :“in September 2022 Azerbaijan attacked targets located on Armenian territory.” * The Guardian:  : “This week, with attention focused across the Black Sea in Ukraine, fighting on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia killed about 100 troops after Azerbaijan shelled a number of towns in Armenia, with both sides accusing each other of “provocations”.” * Der Spiegel:  : “Peace negotiations mediated by the European Union have been at an impasse since Baku also attacked territory in the Republic of Armenia in September 2022.” * TIME:  : “...democratic nation that was recently invaded by its authoritarian neighbor”  : “...but also Armenia, which has been suffering from Azerbaijan's invasion for almost three weeks now.” * BBC:  : “I don’t think anyone doubts that Azerbaijan started this operation on the territory of Armenia. Even Azerbaijani commentators admit this. Armenia is currently weak, has little interest in disrupting the status quo.” * Eurasianet  :"Azerbaijan launches large-scale attacks on Armenia"  :“Azerbaijan launched a large-scale attack on targets in Armenia, an unprecedented expansion of the long-running conflict into Armenian territory.” * Michael Rubin, senior researcher at AIP:  :“Last week, Azerbaijan attacked Armenia proper. (Last week Azerbaijan attacked Armenia directly)” * Paul Stronski is a senior fellow in the Carnegie Russia and Eurasia Programs, specializing in Russia and the South Caucasus:  : “..the fact that Russia is preoccupied, certainly led to what looks like an Azerbaijani offensive at this time”  : “And what we even saw just in the last few days is actually attacks inside and shelling inside cities inside Armenia, not just along the border." * Kapil Komireddy, political columnist for The Telegraph:  : “But so little about Azerbaijan's attack, which goes beyond the disputed territory of Karabakh and targets Armenia proper.” * Seth Franzman, Middle East analyst for The Jerusalem Post , contributor to Defense News, The National Interest and Digest of Middle East Studies:  :“Attacks on Armenia represent dangerous escalation” * Carnegie Europe:  :“Nearly 300 soldiers died in a large-scale Azerbaijani incursion into the territory of Armenia on September 13-14.” Vanezi ( talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 05:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Cremastra ( talk) 14:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography → Electrical capacitance volume tomography – This page was originally titled "Electrical capacitance volume tomography" and was recently moved to a page called "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography". These two terms are not the same. The latter is a broader term as shown in the wikipedia article edit on 5/14/24 in the introduction section. References are given for the distinction between terms. When the page was moved to the new term, it stated that the term ECVT is not widely used. However, in the later 5/14/24 edit of the introduction, citations are given for the term being used in China, Indonesia, and three different research groups in the USA. It is suggested that this page return to "Electrical capacitance volume tomography". A separate page should be made for "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography", if desired, as it is a distinct term that can include stacking of 2D tomographs whereas ECVT does not. Marashdeh ( talk) 15:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  BilledMammal ( talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  Polyamorph ( talk) 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [33] [34], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to autochthonous Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the autochthonous peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in mostly US usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC); revised 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ( Discuss) – Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza → ? – I'm unsure what the new title should be, but I'm sure that this one has an issue. The Israeli attack on Gaza has gone past 2023 into 2024. So, we can't keep the "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" part. Perhaps we could change it to "Allegations of genocide perpetrated by Israel in the Israel–Hamas war", "Allegations of genocide in Gaza in the Israel–Hamas war", or something different. Note that "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" just redirects to Israel–Hamas war. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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