This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 9, 2023.
SoC
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to
SOC.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
12:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Alpha200807 (
talk •
contribs)
23:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- @
Alpha200807: Please provide a rationale for your nominations. It's completely unclear what you are trying to propose here, and you should make this clear so that other editors can participate in the discussion.
CycloneYoris
talk!
00:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget back to
SOC which is a dab page. This used to be the original target for this redirect before the nominator changed it to its current location. Also, it isn't clear what the nominator is proposing (and I assume they're proposing deletion) but retargeting there seems better than deleting.
CycloneYoris
talk!
00:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Keep and add a hatnote to the dab. The target of this redirect has been disputed between
System on a Chip and the
SOC disambiguation page every so often since 2006 but as far as I can tell it has never been discussed. I've looked through all of the whatlinkshere are there and all but three are either clearly intending the
System on a Chip article or disambiguation alerts for people who expected it to lead to that article. Of the other three, one is someone saying it leads to a disambiguation page but they don't know what was intended, the other two it's not immediately clear what meaning was meant, this strongly suggests that there is a primary topic. Of the first 40 results in the internal search engine, the first three are the disambig, the disambig talk page and the redirect. Of the remaining results, 32 are for the chip type, 1 is for
State of charge (an article that uses "SOC" and "SoC" inconsistently), and four are irrelevant (they don't use "SoC" at all). Google of course is case insensitive, but from what I can tell with various searches is that System on a chip is the primary topic for "SoC" with that capitalisation; the only competing use is various
Summer of Code programmes but when trying with searches like "SoC" computer and "SoC" code the primary topic is still either the chip type or something abbreviated SOC - a capitalisation also commonly used for the summer of code. So, by every measure the chip type is primary for this capitalisation.
Thryduulf (
talk)
00:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget back to DAB page
SOC or expect it to collect bad links again (which was how I found it, 4 years ago).
Narky Blert (
talk)
04:46, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
-
Point of order: is it sporting to
simultaneously change the redirect target and add an RfD notice, effectively locking the new target in place for a week?
Certes (
talk)
10:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- In most cases the redirect should generally point at the stable target while being discussed at RfD, but there is an element of
m:The wrong version here.
User:Alpha200807 should take note of this, but nothing more needs to be done at this point.
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget to
SOC: While SoC is more likely to refer to
System on a chip than some of the other listings at
SOC, but I don't think it's overwhelmingly the
WP:PTOPIC for SoC as
State of Charge is commonly enough referred to as SoC as well.
Tartar
Torte
12:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget back -
Darker Dreams (
talk)
06:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Notintendedtobeafactualstatement
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 30#Notintendedtobeafactualstatement
The Tower (Dubai)
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#The Tower (Dubai)
H2ODP
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17#H2ODP
Ronald Trump
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17#Ronald Trump
Neighbours: The Adventure
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- The result of the discussion was delete.
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Not mentioned at target (or anywhere else on Wikipedia).
* Pppery *
it has begun...
23:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is restoring the article a good idea? Or would it be best to just delete the redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
CycloneYoris
talk!
07:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- The article did not have sources. The article was one of a set of articles created by an editor using chatGPT with no oversight. The user has since been indef blocked as a result. Nothing the article said can be assumed to be true, no sources listed can be assumed to say what the text said they said. Could an article be written on the subject? Maybe. But if you have an article with no usable text, you have no article. --
Pres
N
01:26, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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I'm not claiming that the article is in any way suitable, or that it shouldn't be deleted at AfD (nor am I claiming the contrary). Just that presumably since it has sources it is not eligible for speedy deletion, which is the usual criteria for an article (as opposed to a redirect without article history) to be deleted at RfD. Whether it is eligible for speedy deletion due to the creator being indefed would still not change the fact that your BLAR was inappropriate since you targeted it to an article with nothing about the topic, when you should have PRODed or sent it to AfD (or tagged for speedy deletion if that was an option, or just deleted it since you are an admin).
A7V2 (
talk)
02:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,
Rosguill
talk
21:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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List of libertarian socialist communities
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#List of libertarian socialist communities
3-Hydroxy-β-lactone
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17#3-Hydroxy-β-lactone
The fight for the drug market in the Russian darknet
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- The result of the discussion was delete.
✗
plicit
23:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Implausible synonym and search term for this topic. This page was created at this title and was appropriately moved 30 minutes after its inception to comply with MoS. "The fight for the" is not an title-intro that will likely be replicated in search queries to reach the article's key points, being the "Russian darknet market conflict".
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
21:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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C string
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 28#C string
Thaw Daggerslash
Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17#Slyvo Spleethe (et al.)
Spiker (The Edge Chronicles) (et al.)
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talk page or in a
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- The result of the discussion was deleted by
Ponyo per criterion
G5.
(non-admin closure)
CycloneYoris
talk!
00:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Misleading & unhelpful: the target doesn't tell the reader anything about the character.
Edward-Woodrow •
talk
19:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete (and the disambiguated redirect below). Someone using this search term knows that the character appears in The Edge Chronicles, which is all they will learn from the target, so this is not a useful redirect.
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Keep: No longer the case, I have updated article's list with information on the character.
7even8eight (
talk)
16:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Comment: (Because these are all names of characters listed at the target page with the same qualifications and anchor, but also includes a disambiguator, I have bundled these last two characters that Thryduulf's deletion vote refers to. Could have maybe been included with the above, but the rationale being discussed is currently separate for each.)
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
17:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
20:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Athondai
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Athondai
Hilary Bosher
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 18#Hilary Bosher
Indian Empire
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17#Indian Empire
SM-A515F
Windam (Ultra monster)
Iranian Communist Authority
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- The result of the discussion was delete.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
14:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
A shortlived breakaway state in northern Iran is a far cry from the "Iranian Communist Authority". No hits on Google help its case. Delete.
Edward-Woodrow •
talk
13:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Latin America Highland Games
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- The result of the discussion was delete. signed,
Rosguill
talk
18:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
No evidence that this was ever called "Latin America Highland Games" featuring this name (partially due to the article having no references), and no incoming links from mainspace. Google results for this term show exclusively Wikipedia mirrors.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
06:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Café noisette
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- The result of the discussion was delete.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
14:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
An entry not mentioned at target disambiguation page; it existed as a redirect to a dab page featuring an external link for the topic, which has since been removed.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
06:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Triple murder
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- The result of the discussion was keep.
Hey man im josh (
talk)
12:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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Triple murders are not covered at the target article, despite "double murder" being a redirect there. In my eyes, double is all that is needed, as it is all that is mentioned, and it doesn't seem necessary to go higher.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
06:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep - there are incoming links, and it's a reasonable target even if higher numbers aren't explicitly mentioned.
Geromino Spork (
talk)
16:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Keep due to the links and a lack of
WP:SURPRISE. If someone is searching "triple murder", they would not be surprised to end up at an article for
Murder even if it does not explicitly mention triple murders. --
Tavix (
talk)
17:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete. There's only one incoming link from an article, and that article can be fixed. Better to have this come up as a redlink when someone tries to add it to an article, so they have notice that they probably shouldn't be linking that. --
Trovatore (
talk)
04:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep per Tavix. Why should someone not be linking "triple murder" to "murder", given that the target article contains content about multiple murders (even though it doesn't explicitly use the term) and if anyone tried to create a separate article about triple murders it would just redirected to the murder article (or outright deleted, depending on the NPP).
Thryduulf (
talk)
08:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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- I just can't see an occasion where it's a useful thing to link. The reader who sees "triple murder" in blue is entitled to expect that the target treats triple murder as a distinct thing, as opposed to, say, double or quadruple murder. It doesn't seem likely to me that we're ever going to do that. --
Trovatore (
talk)
15:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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- I agree it seems unlikely that we would do that, but "unlikely to do" is not the same as "should not" let alone "must not" - and even if it was a "must not" internal links are not the only reason for redirects to exist.
Thryduulf (
talk)
17:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Well, they're one of exactly two reasons, I'd say, the other being directly entering the term in the search box. If it were deleted, entering "triple murder" in the search box would bring up a page of hits that might be more useful than just sending you to the
murder article. --
Trovatore (
talk)
18:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget to
spree killer, a concept that covers multiple murders in a short time.
Double murder and
Multiple murder would do well to be retargeted to this place, too. If there's a problem with this idea, then keep; it's obviously related and a reasonable target. Per Geronimo Spork's comment — if there were ever links, they still exist in past revisions, regardless of the current revisions tracked in
Special:WhatLinksHere, so if Geronimo's right, you can't say that this is unused.
Nyttend (
talk)
05:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- They seem equally likely to refer to
spree killer,
serial killer and murders that are technically neither (e.g. killing multiple people at the same time), so unless we're disambiguating I think
murder is best target for all of them.
Thryduulf (
talk)
11:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Keep. -
Darker Dreams (
talk)
07:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Waka Waka
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to
Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) with a hatnote to the DAB.
(non-admin closure)
CycloneYoris
talk!
06:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Retarget to
Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) since it is now the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
RMXY (
talk)
06:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- @
RapMonstaXY No, it isn't the primary topic. If you think it should be, then propose a page move first. See
WP:RM.
Pam
D
11:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget per nom and add a hatnote back to the disambig. On the first three pages of Google results only one is not related to the song, and the majority of pages 4 and 5 are also related. The last result was related to the
Wakka Wakka language but none of the others were for anything we have coverage of (e.g. an instragram account and a non-notable takeaway in Glasgow).
Thryduulf (
talk)
12:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget per nom. I'm surprised we don't have an article on
Waka Waka Bang Splat, which might be another candidate for the primary topic, but, as we don't, the song is best.
Tevildo (
talk)
20:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget per nom. --
Lenticel (
talk)
00:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget per nom and M<assviews:
[1]. Put a redirect hatnote at the new target.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
18:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Retarget: per
WP:SMALLDIFFS.
Clyde
[trout needed]
21:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Harlem station, Forest Park, Illinois
Harlem station, Forest Park
Will Buie Jr.
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- The result of the discussion was delete. signed,
Rosguill
talk
18:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
This person has starred in multiple works of media besides this singular show. I would suggestion deletion in order to encourage article creation,
WP:REDLINK. (As an example, they also are featured in
In the Tall Grass (film) which receives twice the pageviews of the current target.)
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
05:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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The Barrister
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to
Barrister (disambiguation).
(non-admin closure)
Duckmather (
talk)
15:30, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
While this is mentioned in an infobox for alternate names, to me it looks like a vague term and seems to be more-often-than-not used to refer to barristers, as much as you would call a judge "The Judge" when the occasion permits. Looking up "the barrister" did not show much for Shaun Wallace, although I wouldn't expect it to as it was dominated by other barrister related results. The subject with the most frequent results seems to be about The Barrister Magazine, although this magazine does not yet have an article, but the rest seems mostly
Barrister related. In any case, such a (unorthodox?) nickname seems quite broad in subject matter and unidentifiable of a single person, as from my understanding, it feels like any barrister could be known as "The Barrister" depending on who you ask.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
05:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Expedition to Tibet
Heteronomity
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Heteronomity
Troops (village)
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Troops (village)
Demographics of federal electoral districts of Canada
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Demographics of federal electoral districts of Canada
Hо̄rai
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Hо̄rai
Pierre Shum
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- The result of the discussion was delete. signed,
Rosguill
talk
18:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Redirect created by a now-banned sock to a list of Poker winners where the target does not appear.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
04:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- @
Thryduulf: This one does not qualify for
WP:G5, namely:
A page created before the ban or block was imposed...will not qualify under this criterion
. This page was created 19:49, 17 July 2023, and the sockmaster,
The Micronesian-Corsican Revolution (
talk ·
contribs), was not blocked until 16:37, 11 September 2023. --
Tavix (
talk)
14:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- @
Tavix: Oops, I forgot to check that. Undeleted.
Thryduulf (
talk)
19:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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Mob vote
Charities in Scotland
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to
Charitable organization#Scotland.
(non-admin closure)
Duckmather (
talk)
03:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
I'm not sure that a cross-namespace redirect to a Category, which is not a list, is suitable when there is an article,
Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator, which discusses charities in Scotland. A link to
Category:Charities based in Scotland could be added to the See also section. Or the redirect could be deleted: note that
Charities in England, for instance, does not exist.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
19:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
CycloneYoris
talk!
01:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
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List of indian films
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#List of indian films
2-hydroxychromen-4-one
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✗
plicit
03:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
This compound is not a 4-hydroxycoumarin derivative (hence the "2-hydroxy" in the name) and is not mentioned anywhere enwiki. The second redirect is the
CAS number for the compound. The creation of these redirects may have been exacerbated by a misleading search result on PubChem
[2] which attempts to relate these terms to
4-hydroxycoumarin. Delete both.
Mdewman6 (
talk)
01:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
- Delete both. The first is a tautomer of 4-hydroxycoumarin, but neither the current target nor
4-hydroxycoumarin discuss tautomerization. The second seems to be an uncommon CAS number for 4-hydroxycoumarin (more often 1076-38-6) and if you must have CAS numbers as redirects it should point to the specific compound it refers to rather than the family of compounds and be tagged with {{
R from CAS Registry Number}}. Moreover, I feel like CAS numbers are not useful redirects on Wikipedia for the cost of their maintenance and are better used searching proper chemical databases or chemical supplier websites. ―
Syn
path
19:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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Bene BeraK
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PROD (a.k.a.
"soft deletion"). Editors can
request undeletion of these articles.
✗
plicit
03:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
reply
Delete. The target's name, being originally written in Hebrew, can be transliterated in many ways, but a concluding capital "K" is implausible in all of them, as far as I can see. (One has two pageviews this calendar year, and the other has three.) Hebrew doesn't have capital and miniscule letters, so it definitely doesn't reflect capitalisation in the original. These are old redirects (one created in 2007 by a human, and the other in 2008 by a bot), but they're years newer than the CamelCase convention that's responsible for a few funny capitalisations, like
AustraliA (
example) or
UuU. Unless someone can find evidence to the contrary, there's seemingly no reason to conclude that these are likely to have been linked off-wiki in the past sixteen years, so we're not really at risk of breaking links by deleting these.
Nyttend (
talk)
00:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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