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Saúl Álvarez.

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The result of the discussion was delete. Der yck C. 17:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Unlikely search term due to the period/full stop at the end of the redirect. Steel1943 ( talk) 23:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Yes, delete as an artifact of multiple page moves. I'd intended to speedy this as R3 once I'd finished figuring out where the actual article ended up back in August - it had just gone through a confusing series of moves (both of the article itself and of several of the redirects left behind by other moves) that took longer than I'd expected to unravel, and I managed to forget about this one. It's a bit late to speedy now, and a week at RFD to be sure won't make a difference either way. — Cryptic 00:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, unlikely redirect, not needed, and the version without the full stop already exists as a redirect. -- The Anome ( talk) 07:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete As per above. Peter Rehse ( talk) 08:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Pink & White Productions

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The result of the discussion was keep ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Ladies and gentlemen I give you this. It is a porno firm. Now, tell me sincerely, Neelix did not have his own pleasure with watching a bit of filth. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't need to be on Wikipedia. We are not an advert for a porn company Si Trew ( talk) 22:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

No, no, I have no issue with the article. There are about a hundred Neelix redirects going to it, not all of it this plausible, with "pink and white productions" listed in about every combination as usual. No problem with the target, as you say WP:NOTCENSORED. Si Trew ( talk) 00:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I would have thought pink and white productions made marshmallows but it seems they don't. What an odd name. Si Trew ( talk) 02:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as an entirely appropriate redirect, unless someone comes forward with another Wikipedia article that could plausibly use the phrase "Pink & White Productions". Guy1890 ( talk) 07:02, 28 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Stool pigeon

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 01:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I've been using this and linking to this when I get the hue and cry from people wondering about my Neelix listings. A stool pigeon is not an informant rather a stooge or punching bag isn't it? Si Trew ( talk) 22:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

You take the high notes and I'll take the low notes and I'll be in scotland afore ye. Si Trew ( talk) 05:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Righty ho Speedily keep withdrawn by nominator. Kid Creole and the Coconuts were brilliant. Didn't they sing well I have it on 78 rpm somewhere "why do you whisper green grass? Why tell the trees what ain't so? Whisperin' grass the trees don't need to know (no no) why tell them all your secrets, if it aint true, what ain't so, now whispering grass, the trees don't have to know" they did a brillaint version of that Si Trew ( talk) 01:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Redded

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The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by another admin as G6/Neelix redirect. -- -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 03:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) Not at target but there must be some logic to this or Neelix would not have redirected it here rather than to red which a lot of other greenisholives ones go to? What is it, I can't see it Si Trew ( talk) 22:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Black-spotted

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by Tokyogirl79 per criterion G6, specifically per the "Neelix clause". Steel1943 ( talk) 11:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Calling our taxonomy experts User:Plantdrew and User:Peter coxhead. I imagine there are many species of birds, fish, plants and so forth that are black-spotted ( variegated). Can we put this anywhere more sensible than an a DAB that does not have "black spotted" on it? Si Trew ( talk) 20:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

It also occurred to me that it would mean to sink the eight ball in pool (game) "he black spotted that" but I don't think that makes any more sense. perhaps just WP:XY? Si Trew ( talk) 20:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Cracking thanks for the call. I take CSD: Si Trew ( talk) 22:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Hmm Ivanvector ( talk · contribs) I think we just did. That doesn't help me in actually sending them to CSD but if I can refer back to this discussion then it may help the closing admin to decide. It is not my fault that these Neelix redirects were kept rather than deleted en masse. I am just trogging through them and getting the blame as a stool pigeon (black spotted pigeon). Si Trew ( talk) 22:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Black-on-black

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The result of the discussion was speedied. G6/Neelix + seconded by user here. -- -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 03:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) tricky. This is the name of an album so it is technically incorrect to have the hyphens in it, on the other hand I can see that it does no harm. What to do? Si Trew ( talk) 20:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Salou railway station

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The result of the discussion was speedy undid move, to put article back into mainspace, following the discussion below. -- The Anome ( talk) 21:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirects to another namespace. MorbidEntree ( talk) 20:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This is how people make drafts. What they should do is move the draft over into mainspace, move it over the redirect, but I am very averse to kinda hoisting things out of someone who is making a draft before they feel they are ready for it to go to mainspace. Otherwise Draft: namespace becomes a bit nonsense, it is hardly private but the whole point of it is people can fiddle with it without this kind of nonsense when it is hoist to main. This actually although a stub makes the encylopaedia better, now we can find out something about Salou railway station including tables of services and stuff which are very fiddly to do so, no, just leave it alone for now WP:TOOSOON to bring it to RfD when an editor has made a lot of effort to make English Wikipedia better by adding this and has done it in exactly the right way. Si Trew ( talk) 21:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Move the article back to main space. There was no reason to move it to draft space in the first place. If the editor wanted to create it in article space, well then fine. Moving it to draft space just makes them have to jump through a series of hoops to get it back, especially now that since the redirect has been flagged for RfD it has non-trivial edit history and can't just be moved over. Don't bite the newcomers. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 21:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Exactly. Someone has then discouraged another new editor by fiddling around with "their" stuff, that's the way to encourage people to come to Wikipedia, the encylopaedia that anyone can edit. Si Trew ( talk) 05:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Sorry, my understanding was that unfinished articles were supposed to go in the Draft namespace or in the user's sandbox. -- MorbidEntree - ( Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) 05:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ MorbidEntree: it can be preferable, but it's not required. Based on the user's other article contributions and the amount of info we usually have about individual railway stations, this article looks to be pretty much complete. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 12:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
But also keep in mind that articles are never finished. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 14:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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War-like

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The result of the discussion was delete ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply
In matters martial
I'm rather partial
To deleting these
If you please, (Neelix) Si Trew ( talk) 20:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I'll go along with that. Delete, and let the search engine sort 'em out. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 14:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Tandem Publishing

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Anome ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 26 May 2016‎ (UTC) reply

(neelix) This is probably all right, it is at the target at its main imprint and indeed I think I have a few books myself with this imprint. I am pretty sure this is all right as {{ R from short name}} bnut need a second check (there were lots of very stupid ones). Si Trew ( talk) 20:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Autodidactics

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The result of the discussion was keep ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Ouch. Neelix. People who are self taught are usually autodidacts so the kinda spinning out at the end is redundant but harmless probably? There are lots worse than this. Si Trew ( talk) 18:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Refuse sacks

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 20:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(Neelix) This one is pretty much in no man's land. It is ok as {{ R from plural}} and {{ R from other name}} but is it helpful? Si Trew ( talk) 18:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Okay (( edit conflict) I keep and mark it then. This just seemed right on the edge to me. The right question actually is is it helpful, if it's in the middle I bring it here. Speedily withdrawn by nominator I'll mark it. Si Trew ( talk) 18:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Whitewashes

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 14:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

We have stacks of these and I think I may have brought them here before we have whitewashing and so on. Some make sense but none is rcatted. No point me bringing the lot here Anomie list #3 but some are borderline. I guess you can whitewash something and so a person who does that whitewashes things but these neelix verbs get a bit out of order. Si Trew ( talk) 18:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Si, don't take this the wrong way but I think you're starting to head into "everything looks like a nail" territory with some of your recent RFD noms. This isn't a "neelix verb", it's an utterly generic {{ R from plural}}. ‑  Iridescent 19:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Yep, that is the problem with these Neelix redirects that everything does look like a nail and I am not very good with a hammer. That is why I bring them here if I am in any doubt, so I can see that it looks like that here User:Iridescent but actually I only bring here what are kinda I am not sure on, the others I keep or take to CSD. I know I am in danger of looking like that because I am told every day from editors without as much grace as you have, but it ain't the case it is the opposite, that if I am not sure I bring them here. Keep as {{ R from plural}} speedily withdrawn by nominator. If you go through the Anomie list you will find that Neelix has a tendency not only to verb things but then to make gerunds and verb-noun infinitives and all kinds of nonsense out of them. So this was just on the edge.
There is so much nonsense. Soixante huitaires would of course be the German student movement because Soixante-huite is as anyone knows German language for 68. There is so much nonsense like that, Iridescent, that sometimes my eyes water and sometimes I get it wrong so if in doubt I bring it here. Si Trew ( talk) 20:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Oh I t hink there was whitewashering or something. That is why I get my doubts. What you need to do is take a different tack hammer! Si Trew ( talk) 22:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Grand Dad

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The result of the discussion was retarget ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Pretty much an attempt at spreading Vinesauce memes, since Fred Flintstone was continuously vandalized to have him named "GilvaSunner." And considering that the page was created on April, this is most likely the case; there have been no cases in which Fred Flintstone was referred to as Grand Dad. 73.31.250.141 ( talk) 15:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)73.31.250.141 reply

I know what you mean First do no harm what the medic said in the Hippocratic Oath. First do no harm. So yep fine and speedily wihdrawn by nominator namely me. Apparently that is a popular misconception but I have plenty of books that quote it that way, sec 1,2 of that article, and it will do for us we don't have to go round the houses. First, do no harm. And in real life too, if you can. Si Trew ( talk) 22:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Actually I am not the nlom on this one just thought I was because there are loads of a similar bent at the Neelix list. Si Trew ( talk) 22:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Insider Extreme

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The result of the discussion was delete. WP:INVOLVED close given WP:SILENCE after a full listing period and deletion of similar redirects. -- BDD ( talk) 14:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete, possibly WP:REDLINK. This was a Beck radio program not mentioned at his article (it currently links to a nonexistent section). It does have a few mentions across the project, including at TheBlaze, a successor to Insider Extreme. But that mention has no context. I'd want to see more discussion of it there if retargeting is suggested. -- BDD ( talk) 15:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Silver Gopher

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The result of the discussion was delete ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 22:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

This took some digging. Apparently Stephen Colbert said that Glenn Beck looked like a silver gopher once. Lacking any sort of information about this on Wikipedia, though, this redirect is likely to confuse or disappoint readers, some of whom would probably be looking for an animal instead. BDD ( talk) 15:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Ramahanakwanzmas

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The result of the discussion was delete ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 22:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Parody holiday created by Beck. Not mentioned at his article, or anywhere on Wikipedia. BDD ( talk) 15:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Gymnogonia pentaphylla

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- BDD ( talk) 14:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

I need the taxonomists on this one. It is not at the target but I can see it is plausible. Here we have gymno- to mean woman not naked, so gymnogonistia pentaphylla would be a female flower with five petals. Does it make sense? (Neelix redirect) Si Trew ( talk) 22:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Comment It's a taxonomic synonym that is mentioned at the target. It doesn't have to make sense to somebody speaking Greek 2000 years ago. There's nothing wrong with it taxonomically speaking. But it's very obscure and nobody is going to be searching for this term. The mention in the taxobox will get people to the article in the extremely unlikely event somebody does search for the term. Filling Wikipedia with obscure taxonomic synonym redirects isn't necessarily harmful, but ultimately imposes a need for maintenance that is unlikely to be kept up to date. No harm in keeping this one, but since it's been brought to RfD, delete it. I really don't want to encourage indiscrimate creation/retention of taxonomic synonym redirects. Plantdrew ( talk) 05:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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My mistake in saying it is not at the target. The taxobox collapses so I couldn't find it even though trying a basic search. I'm with User:Plantdrew on this one per WP:RFD#D2 confusing or unlikely search term, thanks for the double check Si Trew ( talk) 15:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Tunbridge grammar school

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The result of the discussion was delete this redirect, but no prejudice against creating a disambiguation page at the proper title. -- Tavix ( talk) 15:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete to avoid confusion with Tonbridge Grammar School. Certes ( talk) 23:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC) reply

It's a traditional name and spelling of Tonbridge School. [1] Rather than deleting it, it would be better to create a disambiguation page. Charles Matthews ( talk) 06:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply
Well spotted! There are only two articles to disambiguate, and each has a hatnote to the other. I don't think "Tunbridge grammar school" is a valid search term for the state school except as a misspelling. In the light of that information I think we should leave things as they are, unless we need to consider Tunbridge Wells Grammar School for Boys and Tunbridge Wells Girls' Grammar School. Certes ( talk) 09:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply
On the point of nomenclature: List of English and Welsh endowed schools (19th century) in its introduction makes the point that older English grammar schools didn't have standardised names (there was no "grammar school system" as such). Upper case is a relatively recent convention. It might be fair to say "confusion" is inherent in the history. Charles Matthews ( talk) 06:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Disambiguate as per the above. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 23:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I'm American, but Tunbridge Wells isn't typically just called Tunbridge, is it? So it seems unlikely that its grammar schools would be referred to by this name. If Charles is correct, the target article is the best fit. The second best option, Tonbridge Grammar School, is already hatnoted there. Given its much later founding date, it being referred to as "Tunbridge Grammar School" seems much less likely. -- BDD ( talk) 20:11, 25 April 2016 (UTC) reply
Hm, ok. Is the "Wells" likely to drop in the middle of a proper name, though? Any examples of such usage in the wild? -- BDD ( talk) 18:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC) reply
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Comment Tunbridge Wells is always called Tunbrige Wells in Britain. That kind of disambiguates it from other Tunbridges. Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells is a person continuously writing letters as one of the recurring in-jokes in Private Eye complaining of this or that (made up by the editors of course) or firing them off to The Daily Telegraph (natch) and has various addresses and is usually a retired colonel although his rank can change from fornight to fortnight, he lives in various places including the "Retirement Sunset Home, Tunbridge Wells", "Duncomplainin, Tunbridge Wells" and so on. It is a stereotypical very conservative place. But yes, it would always be Tunbridge Wells not just Tunbridge. Actually on the same tack I liked in The Simpsons when they put Granddad into the "Home for victims of unpopular wars". Si Trew ( talk) 21:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Eric Calderone

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 13:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirect was probably created when this person was mentioned at the target. He is not now, at any rate. Does not look to be another relevant target. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Template:Italic

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The result of the discussion was keep both ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 22:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

This redirect is far too ambiguous, and certainly doesn't imply referring to {{ Italic title}}. Most editors would probably assume {{ italic}} to render the enclosed text in italics, so would consider it a synonym of {{ em}}. PanchoS ( talk) 12:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • @ PanchoS: I believe that one of Ivanvector's major concerns is that the transclusions exist (I've had such a discussion with Ivanvector in the past, and this is also a concern of mine.) Until they do not exist (possibly by bypassing all of the redirects prior to this discussion being closed), these redirects need to be kept for technical reasons. So, until those transclusions disappear, I'm "keep" as well. Steel1943 ( talk) 23:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Uh, not exactly what my concern is, although that is valid. I just think this is not broken. If our discussion here concluded that it was preferable to have this point to Template:em for example, then it follows that we need to correct the extant transclusions. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 23:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Replace both templates with target, then delete both. Giving this some more thought, these template titles are a bit ambiguous, but since disambiguation pages in the "Template:" namespace do not happen due to technical reasons, deletion is the only way to go. Steel1943 ( talk) 23:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Fallen Angels (upcoming Bob Dylan album)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

No longer "upcoming". SSTflyer 12:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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King James of Scotland

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The result of the discussion was Retarget ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:40, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) Not sure on this one. Patently there are more than one King James of Scotland in fact six before the Act of Union 1707 so is this a bit kinda ambiguous? I think so. I don't think we have a DAB on it but maybe we do and this is "blocking" me finding it. Si Trew ( talk) 11:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

James VI of Scotland is James I of England and is usually referred to thus as "James VI of Scotland, I of England" in common parlance. Si Trew ( talk) 09:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Och, I would think it a very likely search term. As I said in the nom, I just couldn't find it because my search was "blocked" by this being in the way. Probably best to send to James of Scotland. Si Trew ( talk) 18:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
It's unclear to me what you are suggesting, but I very very strongly disagree with retargeting to James Stewart, 5th High Steward of Scotland, which is very unlikely to be the subject the searcher or wikilinker would be looking for, not to mention there's no corresponding verbiage in the lead to that effect, and no hatnote for navigating to what the searcher is probably actually looking for. Softlavender ( talk) 04:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Apologies, Softlavender. I was not suggesting that, but I can see how the statement would've been read that way. Clarified. -- BDD ( talk) 12:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Hang on User:BDD that is unclear to me too. I am pretty sure you are saying "don't retarget it to James Stewart, 5th High Steward of Scotland" but with the exct wording with "looks pretty close" are you really suggesting that? Why would King James of Scotland go to the 5th High Steward? Si Trew ( talk) 09:39, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Dr. Rank

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. -- BDD ( talk) 12:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) hmm I have marked Doctor Rank as {{ R from fictional character}} and was going to do this likewise, however, I am not sure this meets WP:TITLE in the way we make the "Dr." 99% sure this is OK and can go that way but not 100% sure Si Trew ( talk) 11:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Thanks for doing that, makes it better. Si Trew ( talk) 18:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Simulsat 7

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The result of the discussion was delete ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

deletion, because neither needed nor mentioned in target article. Simulsat 7 is a commercial trademark. Antennenbau ( talk) 09:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep: Reasoning does not meet any of the WP:R#DELETE criteria -- samtar talk or stalk 12:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete. Could cause confusion because the target article doesn't mention the redirect name, which is criteria #2 at WP:R#DELETE. ~ Rob Talk 05:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Crossref to #Simulsat_5 above with no need of further comment I think by me at least (I'll do the same over there to here). I don't know if after comment we can reasonably combine these although (except mine) they have essentially the same pros and cons at both so far. Si Trew ( talk) 08:18, 17 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Godsy( TALK CONT) 05:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete because there is no information about this specific antenna, just a general article about the technology. It is becoming less and less notable to put things in space. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 11:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Yeah that's true isn't it, it used to be an amazing thing to see the Space Shuttle take off watching it on the telly, or whatever, it was a notable event but now it is so commonplace with a telecommunications satellite launched on an Ariane 5 or whatever we hardly notice. We rely on them kinda implicitly and never really think of it. For all I know my very words might be bouncing off one of them to get to the Wikipedia servers (more likely going by submarine communications cable but we never think of it, we take it for granted. Good point. Delete. Si Trew ( talk) 08:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hebron shooter

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The result of the discussion was keep ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:42, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirect created when I moved page to Elor Azaria. I don't think the redirect is of any use; far too generic. TheLongTone ( talk) 14:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - It looks as if multiple sources refer to the killer by exactly this term, and I don't think there's another individual that's been reliably tagged with this title. We can add a hat-note in the future if it ends up being otherwise. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 06:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - there is a discussion regarding merging Elor Azaria with Hebron shooting incident which would affect the proper target for this redirect. At the current moment, I think it's better for this to go to the person's article because that's what "Hebron shooter" refers to ("shooter" not "shooting"), and if the two articles are merged then one of the bots will clean up the double redirect. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 11:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Sarothamnus

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- BDD ( talk) 13:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Neelix speedy denied. A species name without genus name that redirected to the species. A species name without genus is ridiculous, things like sapiens and catus. The user who reverted my nomination redirected it to the genus, even less helpful than the original target. I don't have access to the link provided in the revert summary which is http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Sarothamnus Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 04:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Our expert User:Plantdrew always comes up trumps and I tip me titfer to that user. Si Trew ( talk) 19:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Z. Knezevic

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete by 78.26 per criterion G7. Steel1943 ( talk) 17:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply

It cannot be assumed that "Z." always means "Zoran". Steel1943 ( talk) 02:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Quite right. This redirect is not really useful nor needed. Urhixidur ( talk) 03:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete as per Urhixidur. Jschnur ( talk) 03:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Boleny

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The result of the discussion was delete. We don't redirect from partial title matches, and here we're only talking about a nickname. -- BDD ( talk) 14:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) now this is a bit of a swindle. The target Béla I of hungary I don't think was ever called Bölény (in fact I know he weren't) and I have taken that to CSD because it is simply not Hungarian. Now, with this one, do we retarget to Anne Boleyn or do we delete it or what? I can help with these cos I speak a bit of Hungarian and type on a Hungarian keyboard layout. öóüöüóöóüö. Si Trew ( talk) 01:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

* Weak Keep. The article does claim "Bölény" as an alternative name so WP:TRUTH probably applies. Anne Boleyn? baloney. Jschnur ( talk) 03:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

:Actually, Retarget to Bison, Searching for this in Google is a surprise. Jschnur ( talk) 03:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I strongly disagree with a retarget. This is English Wikipedia, and we don't provide redirects for every non-English name of any particular subject, plus the spelling is completely different because there are no diacritical marks in Boleny. That's what the inter-wiki links on the left side are for, and the article already has a Hungarian-wiki (Magyar) link there. Softlavender ( talk) 04:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Fair enough, so...
Hahahah. It's definitely not Hungarian so we can't do {{ R from other language|hu}}. I'm still puzzled about how it came about to be created. Si Trew ( talk) 19:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Except it is Hungarian. Seems like Bela the Bison is some sort of nickname, and it's sourced in the article. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 20:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
It's not Hungarian: The Hungarian is Bölény; this is Boleny. Softlavender ( talk) 04:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Jschnur, would you mind strking and unbolding your outdated !vote, and bolding your current !vote? Thanks. Softlavender ( talk) 04:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)  Done Jschnur ( talk) 23:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Strong Delete. Neelix nonsense. Boleny means a lot of things, none of them having anything to do with the target subject: [5]. -- Softlavender ( talk) 03:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This is a load of baloney... er I ment boleny. how this came to be made is really puzzling me. The Hungarian interwiki quite rightly has him as Béla I, kiraly (king Béla I) so I am just puzzled how this got here, how the one with the accents got here is even more puzzling. Si Trew ( talk) 09:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
This is a RfD you started, so it's assumed that you want to delete it. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 19:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Yes I want it deleted did i never say that sorry! Magyarul nem jo, nincs mit nem beszelni nincs. In Hungarian this is entirely meaningless. Si Trew ( talk) 16:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Boleny Bela is sourced as a nickname for Bela I in the article, presumably as a nickname (i.e. Bela the Bison King). We don't redirect non-English translations to literal definitions without good reason, however Boleny is a potential searchable term for someone looking for information about Bela I (e.g. "who's that Hungarian king nicknamed Boleny). ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 19:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
No, the nickname is "Bölény Béla", not "Boleny Bela". Boleny by itself does not mean anything like "Hungarian king nicknamed Boleny": [6] Softlavender ( talk) 04:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
In Hungarian the letters ö ő ó are distinct. You can't just do {{ R from title without diacritics}} they mean completely different things. Which makes this nonsense and WP:RFOREIGN anyway. I have four letters öóőo on my Hungarian keyboard. They are very distinct you just can't do that. Kősszonom szépen. Si Trew ( talk) 05:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Per WP:DIACRITICS, redirects are recommended to be made with and without diacritics, because we assume that users of the English Wikipedia are not intimately familiar with the diacritic rules of foreign languages. Since Wikipedia is not in the business of redirecting non-English literal translations without good reason, what Boleny by itself means is irrelevant. If an English-speaking reader is likely to see it in context of Bela I's nickname, that's grounds for having a redirect. I'm not sure what your point about WP:RFOREIGN is unless you're suggesting that Bela I of Hungary is not Hungarian because that essay clearly says "foreign-language redirects to a topic not related to that language generally should not be kept." ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 17:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Not when the word clearly means something completely different from what it is redirected to: [7]. -- Softlavender ( talk) 06:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Also bear in mind that in Hungarian the surname comes first (I am Trew Simon in Hungary and I have a receipt from the post office just the other day thus written) so this would be the nickname as the surname of the King. We don't have {{ Hungarian name order}} unfortunately and {{ Eastern name order}} is what I usually put when translating Hungarian articles because that template has a link to Hungarian names. (My keyboard looks like that at the pic there). It just makes no sense. It would be like having a redirect to Elizabeth II being " Windsor Erzbet. It is just wrong. Si Trew ( talk) 09:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
This redirect avoids a word order problem altogether by only having the epithet. So this debate is more analogous to arguing if Cœur de Lion should redirect to Richard the Lionheart than arguing that over the merits of a Cœur de Lion Richard redirect.---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 17:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Lookit, I'm calling this one. You don't live in Hungary, you don't speak Hungarian, I do, and I do, I'm calling it, f. nonsense. ( edit conflict) Minden nap bészelek magyarul, a dohánybolt, az utca, boltokban és itt otthon. I call it. Si Trew ( talk) 16:04, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I did a second check with my missus who is a native Hungarian speaker and bólény means roughly "wild animal" hard to translate. This is nonsense. Roughly guess would be translated "tiger" or "lion" like Richard the Lionheart but a literal translation would not mean that. It applies more to Béla IV than Béla I anyway. Nem Bölény hanem Bólény. This is just a pile of nonsense. Si Trew ( talk) 17:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
The nickname is sourced to a book written by Hungarian historians that's used extensively throughout the article. I'm sure I could ask a number of Canadians who would never have heard of the nickname Rocket Richard, that doesn't mean that it's not an actual nickname backed by reliable sources that should be a redirect. As for what boleny actually means, we have a Hungarian wikipedia article on that defines it as bison. However, if you can show that both Bela IV and Bela I were called by this nickname, I would be happy to strike my vote in favour of a disambiguation page or deletion to show search results. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 17:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC) reply
What you can't do, User:Patar knightm, is take the accents out. It's bólény. In Hungarian, these things are not some arbitrary bit of decoration they change the meaning of the word. Without them it is entirely meaningless. Can you give me a link, a reliable source, that uses it without the accents? If so it is wrong but I can imagine some English sources might. Thanks by the way for CSD'ing a load of Neelix ones I listed. Si Trew ( talk) 02:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I made a list with my missus to give you an example:
  1. Só means salt
  2. Sör means beer
  3. Szór means to be contrary, to make an exception
  4. Szőr means pubic hair roughly any hair except what is on your head
  5. sző means word
You can't just arbitrarily take the accents out of Hungarian words or change an sz for an s, they then mean different things as you see (the third and fourth examples are probablyí the best they don't differ in anything 'but the accent on them) You can't just go taking out the accents and expecting it to "work". Si Trew ( talk) 02:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Show me a Canadian who's never heard of Rocket Richard, and I'll show you a liar. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 02:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
Good job I'm not Canadian then, never heard of him. Ever heard of Eddie the Eagle? Hahahah nice one. Si Trew ( talk) 22:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
You obviously don't interact with Canadian high schoolers uninterested in hockey. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 22:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Boleny Bela (I'm ignoring diacritics) is a sourced alternate name in the article, as is Bela, but Boleny is not. You can just take the diacritics out of Hungarian words when you write them for English audiences, because English does not use diacritics except for words that are borrowed from other languages, like soufflé (c.f. souffle), but this is not one of those cases. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 02:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm perfectly aware of "borrowing" so this is why we have gyulas as a Hungarian town and gyulás in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE of the article at goulash even though that is the proper orthography in Hungarian. When it comes to quite "technical" ones like this the accents do actually count. What if I created (I am not planning to gyulás) what would you do with it? Would you send it to the town or the stew because if the accent don't matter you could send it to the town. Be a pile of nonsense but you could do as {{ R from title without diacritics}}. Sorry, you just can't fiddle with Hungarian orthography in that way the accents are not some kind of Christmas decoration, they totally change the meaning of words (and their pronunciation). Si Trew ( talk) 22:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm a liar it's in Romania but was in the Kingdom of Hungary so has a Hungarian name too. Si Trew ( talk) 22:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC) reply
If everyone who searches "boleny" is looking for Bela I of Hungary, I don't see why it shouldn't redirect to that article. This is analogous to having, say Beauclerc redirect to Henry I of England (if that small town that is actually called that didn't exist) even though the full nickname is Henry Beauclerc. Here the name with the epithet is Bela the Bison or in Hungarian without diacritics, Boleny Bela. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Time limited

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The result of the discussion was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 12:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

(neelix) ouch. We are all time limited but I am not sure this should go to this particular thing. It kinda makes sense but usually in an engineering sense "time limited" means "you can use as much power or signal as you want but you have to do it in two milliseconds" (that the limit is not power or signal but time). I am thinking maybe real time (a DAB) or real-time computing but not sure. Si Trew ( talk) 01:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep I think, otherwise Delete but not retarget. Your suggested alternatives are worse. I note that the 2 online dictionaries I looked up both redirect to "Time limit". Jschnur ( talk) 03:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
PS. I tips me lid at the amazing work you are doing at mopping up after Neelix. Jschnur ( talk) 03:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply
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Sven-r-g

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The result of the discussion was delete---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 22:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC) reply

The redirect should be deleted, cause it's obviously wrong. Sven-R-G is not Slobodan Petrovic Jr. aka Pulsedriver, but Sven Gruhnwald aka Rocco (see de:Rocco (Produzent) and discogs.com and urheberrecht.justlaw.de) Ephraim33 ( talk) 06:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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