This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 26, 2016.
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JohnCD (
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11:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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There are various articles here that start with United Federation including
United Federation of Teachers and
United Federation of Trade Unions as well as the now renamed
United Federation of Postal Clerks. I don't see any of these as the primary topic nor the value of a DAB page. Search does not prove that United Federation is used to refer to the Star Trek topic in particular. Delete per CONFUSING.
Legacypac (
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23:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- That's an argument to disambiguate, not to delete.
Rossami
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03:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Do any of these, Star Trek included, get referred to as "United Federation" alone? --
BDD (
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15:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - that is not an argument to disambiguate, lest we end up with a dab that has nothing but
partial title matches. "United Federation" doesn't match anything.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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15:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Setindexify per Rossami, or delete per nom; the fictional Star Trek entity is referred to as the "Federation" not "United Federation" --
70.51.200.135 (
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04:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete. "United" is not really a meaningful enough word to be worth disambiguating.
DGG (
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22:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - Never heard of it referenced as "United Federation".
Miyagawa (
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14:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ (song)
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JohnCD (
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11:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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No reason to have this as a redirect, it's an unlikely search term.
Ana
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09:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep Seems likely to me, especially for the non-English speakers.
Headbomb {
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contribs /
physics /
books}
12:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete, implausible as a search term, especially since the song isn't known as "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ." I say this half-humorously, but also per
WP:NOTLYRICS. --
Tavix (
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16:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete.
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ doesn't exist, and that was the result of a
recent deletion discussion.
Steel1943 (
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18:15, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep. Being "unlikely" is not a reason to delete. "If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect." It's quite plausible - indeed it's used more than four times a day average. More importantly, I don't see any reason to delete it that's among those listed at
WP:RfD#Reasons for deleting.
As for
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ - more people voted to not delete, so it looks like it was wrongly deleted (I've
asked the admin about it). ··
gracefool
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20:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Weak keep per Gracefool --
70.51.44.60 (
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06:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per
WP:CHEAP and per Gracefool. --
Rubbish computer (
HALP!:
I dropped the bass?)
18:05, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per Gracefool. Redirects do far more than merely support the search engine.
Rossami
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04:36, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete per Steel1943. I don't think we have any evidence that someone would consider this the name of the song, and it looks very strange to have
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ red but this redirect in place. If this is truly a likely search term for the song, then the form without the qualifier should also redirect there, and I'd be surprised if anyone was really prepared to argue for that. This is not getting many page views, and I suspect that many of those are a result of idleness—someone starting to type the alphabet in the search box to see what shows up—rather than genuine queries. --
BDD (
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19:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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- 1. Then let's redirect
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ also.
- 2. Why is an idle search not genuine or worthwhile? Isn't serendipitous discovery an important part of an encyclopedia?
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gracefool
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22:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I bring that up more as a point of caution that page views are blunt instruments. They tell us the page is being used—but nothing more. Not how many of those views are human, not how many were satisfied with their results, etc. But no, I don't think serendipity is any way essential to an encyclopedia, not in this sense, at least. I enjoy learning about new topics as I read about topics I've sought out, but typing whatever characters into the search box to see what shows up really isn't serendipity as much as randomness. --
BDD (
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23:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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- On a related note, if you want "serendipitous discovery" and randomness, I highly recommend
Special:Random. --
Tavix (
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00:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: This discussion could be closed as "no consensus, default to keep", but in light of
the deletion of ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ earlier this month I should ask all of us more plainly: do we want to accept a situation whereby "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" is red but "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ (song)" is blue?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Der
yck C.
23:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Delete as the other discussion pretty much covers this variation. Not very useful.
Legacypac (
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23:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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JohnCD (
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22:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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Is Wikipedia a Klingon -> English translation service via redirects?
Legacypac (
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22:53, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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JohnCD (
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22:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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These seem pretty marginal. The "word" is essentially undefined and sees almost zero use (many hits just say they have nothing on this "word") and some are like "... and irregular 'professionalisation': A L Brown," picking up the letters al from the next word making them false results. Just stacking suffixes behind suffixes introduces nonsense into the internet. Can't see this helping the reader with the nonsense spread online being a good reason to delete. See search results
[1] and
[2]
Legacypac (
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22:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Time of day.
JohnCD (
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18:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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This is not
WP:WikiProject Time an expected target for such a shortcut. Nor is it
Help:time; Nor is it
MOS:TIME destination target, so isn't the MOS target page. The current target is therefore wrong. Adding a hatnote indicating the location of the WikiProject for WPP-TIME resulted in a deletion of the hatnote, leaving no navigation information for editors. Therefore this should be converted into an index page of project pages relating to time, such as Help-Time, WPP-TIME and MOS-TIME.
70.51.200.135 (
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13:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Keep, works as intended. If you turned this into a dab, it could no longer function as a shortcut so none of those targets would be directly served by the shortcut. The other targets mentioned in the nom have their own shortcuts. I do think the solution to this situation is a hatnote. --
Tavix (
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01:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Godsy, I do agree that target is slightly better. --
Tavix (
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15:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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El Kaide Terör Örgütü Türkiye Yapılanması
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JohnCD (
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18:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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Delete. This is the name of the
Al-Qaeda branch in Turkey, but we don't have any information about them, so this could benefit from
WP:REDLINK deletion. --
Tavix (
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05:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Conversely we could add a sentence at the target about them.
Legacypac (
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05:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I was going off the edit summary of the redirect when it was created. From the search results I'm getting, I actually think a
WP:RFFL deletion would be more appropriate. --
Tavix (
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05:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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-
WP:REDLINK does not say that deleting redirects is OK. Actually even redirects for misspellings are useful.
WP:RFFL does not apply either because here we are talking about a Turkish organization, so redirecting from its official name is appropriate: "appropriate use of foreign-language redirects include: Original or official names of [...]". Cheers!
Syced (
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05:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- REDLINK is appropriate when we have no information on a subject. Turning it "red" shows that there isn't any information and sometimes someone will act upon that lack of information with an article. Alternatively, if the organization is simply the Turkish translation of an
Al-Qaeda, then
WP:RFOREIGN could apply. I haven't seen any sources confirming or denying either way, I'm just covering the bases. --
Tavix (
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05:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete per above discussion.
Legacypac (
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06:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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-
Syced, what's your source for this being al-Qaeda's name in Turkish? It translates to something like "Al-Qaeda Turkish terrorist organization". It seems wildly implausible to me that they would label themselves as such, and
"El Kaide Terör Örgütü Türkiye Yapılanması" -wikipedia only returns 69 results. --
BDD (
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15:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- It can't be their name in Turkish. It literally translates Al Qaida Terror Organization Turkey Structure. I could see an paper writing phrase to describe their affiliates or cells in Turkey, but not plausible that is the group's actual name. Long War Journal talks about both al-Qaida cells and 'Three local groups in Turkey stand out as being (or having been) potential collaborators with or ‘subcontractors’ to al Qaeda in Turkey: the Turkish Hizballah; (a Kurd operation no relationship to the Lebanon version) the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front (IBDA-C); and in the past, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)'. None of these are the name in the redirect. We should delete it as a coined term, and since the terror group has no special affinity to the Turkish language.
Legacypac (
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05:15, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I found further evidence that the group has no specific organization in Turkey with a name, only cells. There is no Turkish branch name. They do have connections with the three groups named above but each of those groups have their own name. This should be snow deleted as just a phrase discribing the group in Turkish.
Legacypac (
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15:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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Legacypac (
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22:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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I had created this redirect. But I now think it is counterproductive as it shows a bluelinked redirect to one of his films, instead of a red link calling attention to the fact that there is not yet an article on this notable Canadian animator. Any possibility of deleting?
Shawn in Montreal (
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03:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- It's five years old so much too old for the speedy-deletion criterion to apply but you make a decent argument to redlink it. I'm not sure about notability but I'll give it the benefit of doubt. We can always restore the redirect if no article shows up.
Rossami
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03:28, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Yeah I should have just buckled down and done it, repurpose the redirect, instead of bothering Rfd. I just didn't know if I'd get to it right away. He won the Grand Prize at the Tokyo Anime Awards for
Flutter and he's up for a big Canadian one, for his latest film,
BAM. I do think he's probably notable on the basis of
WP:ARTIST, at this point. thanks.
Shawn in Montreal (
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04:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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"Delete and let's try a C7 CSD.
Legacypac (
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03:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Legacypac (
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06:26, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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While he is currently doing well in the polls he has yet to win a single state in the primary let alone the general election so it is far to soon to declare him President of the Unitied States,--
174.91.186.82 (
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02:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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BDD (
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15:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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I see this redirect as a value judgement on a form of government and not useful. Governments can be widely unpopular in a democracy and dictators and monarchs can be widely popular.
Legacypac (
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02:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Yes I thought of
Populism at first but a populist government may not be popular either.
Legacypac (
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04:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- That's an interesting point, but if a government is unpopular, doesn't that mean that by definition it has failed to achieve populism? --
Notecardforfree (
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04:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- A populist party (like
Reform Party of Canada) is an orientation like conservative, liberal, socialist etc. Populist refers to direct input to policy at the party level and when in government via referendums etc. Populist refers to population not popularity. I've not looked, but hopefully our article says stuff like that.
Legacypac (
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04:33, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I see what you mean; I was interpreting the term "popular government" to mean "a government that embodies populism," rather than "a government that is favored by the people" or "a government that is not unpopular." How do you feel about
Popular sovereignty as a potential target? --
Notecardforfree (
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04:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Since
Popular government is essentially an adjective noun combo, at least the reader would learn something at
Popular sovereignty Good find. Let's see if others endorse that.
Legacypac (
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04:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- You will not learn anything about any of these books at the target. Maybe a DAB page is appropriate here?
Legacypac (
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23:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- I'm not suggesting that the target should mention the books, I'm using them to illustrate that "Popular government" has been a synonym for "democratically elected government" since at least the 1650s (the authors are a major political philosopher of the English Interregnum, a President of the United States, and the founder of the discipline of sociology of law, respectively, and all are using the phrase without an attached explanation in the assumption that their audiences will understand what's meant.) ‑
Iridescent
23:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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-
Iridescent, can you include a citation to passages in the books cited above that say, explicitly, that popular government is synonymous with democracy? As I understand the the issue, some theorists claim that democracy is a precondition for popular sovereignty, while others argue that different forms of government (e.g.
Popular monarchy) can allow for popular sovereignty. The article at
popular sovereignty explains this split of opinion. To put this in other words, democracy may be one kind of popular government, but there may be other kinds of popular governments as well. Therefore, to avoid problems implicated by
WP:XY, I think
popular sovereignty is the best target. --
Notecardforfree (
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23:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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- In the Macquarie Dictionary entry for 'democracy', it says it's derived from the Greek 'demokratia' meaning 'popular government'. Also, the WIkipedia entry for 'popular sovereignty' defines it as a principle, while the entry for 'democracy' says it's a form of government, so it would make more sense for 'popular government' to redirect to the one about a type of government.
Peace Makes Plenty (
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15:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
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JohnCD (
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18:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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I don't see any evidence of "Interlec" referring to the Internet. My search is dominated by an Electrical Supply company. --
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00:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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